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Dominion Quardle
« on: February 24, 2022, 04:26:39 am »

Wordle led to Quordle, where there are four words to be guessed.
So Dominion Cardle leads to Dominion Quardle!

Four cards at once? Not quite - a bit more interactive.
  • Each player picks a card: In Quordle, there are four words to be identified. Here, there are many cards to be identified - each other player has picked one.
  • Choose your own properties for scoring: When you pick a card, you should also choose 5 properties that you will use for scoring. See next post for some suggestions.
  • One guess per day: Each day you may guess a card. Then each other player (when they get round to it) will score your guess against their card, using their chosen properties.
  • Score-and-guess: Before making a new guess, you must score everyone else's guesses against the card you picked.
  • The game rolls on: When someone has identified your card, say well done and pick a new one.

I think it will feel like Quordle, where your guesses are contributing to finding several different words/cards at once. But once it is rolling, there will hopefully always be cards at different stages - some "almost complete" and some fairly new. So in your single guess each day there should be a card that you have a good chance of identifying, which should be quite satisfying I think.

Some clarifications:
  • Official cards only, and no landscapes (for now).
  • When you pick a card, try to avoid anything anyone has guessed recently.
  • When you pick a new card, you can stick with the same scoring properties you used last time, or change them.
  • You can score other people's guesses more than once a day if you like (and that might be helpful to get the game started), but you can't make more than one guess per day.
  • You can join the game any time. Just announce that you've picked a card, announce your properties for scoring and make a guess to try and identify the other players' cards.

EDIT 16th March 2022: Simplified, modified, rewritten!
« Last Edit: March 18, 2022, 09:30:13 am by infangthief »
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Re: Quardle
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2022, 04:29:23 am »

Properties for Scoring

When you pick a card, you also need to choose 5 properties of it. You will use these properties for scoring everyone else's guesses against your card.

Here are some properties which probably work ok. Choose 5 of these, or make up your own:
  • Cost - the card's cost (decide how you'll handle debt, potions, overpay etc)
  • Handsize - your handsize after playing it from a normal starting 5-card hand (decide how you'll handle unplayable cards and cards that play other cards)
  • Coins and Coffers - how many Coins and Coffers it gives you (decide how you'll handle things like Counterfeit and Philosopher's Stone)
  • Actions and Villagers - how many Actions and Villagers it gives you
  • Deckbuilding - how it changes what cards belong to you - gain, trash, exile from supply, return, exchange etc
  • Interaction - the card's effect on other players, or player interaction more generally
  • Expansion - the set(s) that the card is in (decide how you'll handle base cards and promos)
  • Types - the card's types
  • Copies - number of copies of the card in a 4-player game

For each property, you'll score blue if it is correct, orange if it is in some way correct or grey if it is not correct.
Often it is a bit subjective. Try to be generous with blues, and helpful with oranges.

See the Cardle tread for more examples, and to see what kind of things seem to make life easy/difficult for the scorer.
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Re: Quardle
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2022, 06:24:45 am »

What do people think about categories for scoring?

Do they need to be precisely defined, or will it work with things being a bit open to interpretation, as in the current Cardle games?

Precise definitions can get tricky quite quickly. Simple categories like Cost and Expansion are probably good. But we would need to define some more interesting ones too.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2022, 05:58:37 am »

I've simplified things a bit and rewritten the summary in the OP.

Also I've given up on the idea of standardised properties for scoring. I think it is not feasible to come up with properties which are universal enough and yet simple enough. So let's try with decide-your-own properties.

I think it will be fun. Who wants to play??
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Re: Quardle
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2022, 03:31:34 pm »

/in
Deciding each’s own properties is a good idea. This looks fun, thanks!
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Re: Quardle
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2022, 02:06:00 pm »

I'd play.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2022, 04:04:56 am »

Shall we get started? The more the merrier, but we can at least start with 3 to show the concept.

Do you guys prefer Green/Orange/Red scoring, rather than Blue/Orange/Grey?
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2022, 04:11:35 am »

Here's a template scoring table, if it's helpful to anyone. Just click "quote", copy the formatting, and rename the properties. Then for each guess, copy the row and set the colours.

Guess1|Property1|Property2|Property3|Property4|Property5
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2022, 05:33:08 am »

I have a card.

My properties:
  • Cost
  • Handsize - how many cards could I have in hand after playing it from a normal 5-card hand?
  • Actions - how does it affect the number of times I can play Action cards this turn?
  • Payout - what does it give me in terms of Coins, Coffers, Buys, Favors and VP?
  • Copies - how many copies are there in a 4-player game?

Pick your own card, announce your properties, then make a guess to try to identify the cards picked by everyone else. (Obviously I'll hold off making a guess until at least someone else has picked a card!)
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2022, 06:44:50 am »

I also have a card. I'll use {Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion} as my properties.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2022, 06:45:53 am »

I also have a card. I'll use {Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion} as my properties.

I'll guess that fang's card is Market.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2022, 09:45:29 am »

I also have a card. I'll use {Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Types} as my properties.

My guess: Silk Merchant
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2022, 09:57:39 am »

Market|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies
Silk Merchant|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies

Guess: Native Village
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2022, 10:26:34 am »

I also have a card. I'll use {Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion} as my properties.

I'll guess that fang's card is Market.

I assume I can also treat this as a guess to my card, even though I "thought" of my card after (I didn't let this guess influence my choice at all).
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2022, 10:37:37 am »

I also have a card. I'll use {Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion} as my properties.

I'll guess that fang's card is Market.

I assume I can also treat this as a guess to my card, even though I "thought" of my card after (I didn't let this guess influence my choice at all).

You can score that if you want to, but no need to because like you say you only joined the game after that.

I don't want to make it hard for someone to join the game if there are already lots of guesses by the time they join. So you only need to score things that are guessed after you join.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2022, 11:12:12 am »

My properties:
Actions
Buys/gains
Expansion
Handsize
Words in name
(example- Chapel=1)

So one guess for all others’ per day? If we do that (instead of individual guesses flying around) then we need to score our guesses against our own card as well, before making a new guess. Otherwise someone could hide their card by guessing their own.

Guess: Gear
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2022, 11:53:57 am »

So one guess for all others’ per day? If we do that (instead of individual guesses flying around) then we need to score our guesses against our own card as well, before making a new guess. Otherwise someone could hide their card by guessing their own.

I've been wondering whether I needed to say "don't guess your own card", but your idea is better - score your own guesses. Then we don't need to worry about who guessed what.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2022, 03:55:52 pm »

Native Village|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Types
Gear|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Types
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2022, 04:55:00 pm »

Native Village: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Types
Gear: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Types
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2022, 07:51:39 pm »

Native Village: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Types
Gear: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Types

Your final category was Expansion, not Types.
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2022, 09:41:32 pm »

Ach, so it was. Not thinking. And including my own guess:

Market: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Native Village: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Gear: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2022, 04:37:30 am »

Market|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies
Silk Merchant|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies
Native Village|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies
Gear|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies
Bandit Camp|Cost|Handsize|Actions|Payout|Copies

My Tuesday guess (included in above scoring): Bandit Camp
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2022, 05:15:54 am »

Market: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Native Village: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Gear: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Bandit Camp: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
Silk Merchant: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2022, 05:28:31 am »

Gear:|Actions|Buys/gains|Expansion|Handsize|Words in name
Bandit Camp:|Actions|Buys/gains|Expansion|Handsize|Words in name
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Re: Dominion Quardle
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2022, 06:11:41 am »

My guess today is University, which for my own card does this:

University: Cost, Handsize, Actions, Payout, Expansion
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