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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1275 on: March 19, 2022, 07:16:01 am »

Anyway, it's time we did some voting. I intend to vote for Didds.

Why are we on different pages about this in regards to Math/Didds?
is it just the day 2 wagon?
I guess I need to reread what you've written, but I thought you were a fan of the Didds+Math team.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1276 on: March 19, 2022, 07:47:08 am »

For those of us that have a played a couple of games with Jack, the reason we arenít pressing him more is that it tends to be of little use. He doesnít really develop reads, and doesnít share his thoughts beyond the immediate. At least that has been my sense.
But he was scum in ALL of those games. You don't want to find out if he might play differently when he's town?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1277 on: March 19, 2022, 07:55:25 am »

I'm now safely back in the UK.

Still leaning towards the WCD/math/gk team, although I do take the point that they're playing a very bold game if that is the team. Still, scum occasionally needs to do that.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1278 on: March 19, 2022, 08:22:34 am »

a. I think Jack and Didds are not scum together.
Why not? Start of day 2 looks very partnery to me, and is one of the reasons I'm preferring Didds over mathdude.

Gotten started with the reread, realized I'd forgotten about math's case on Didds. Maybe a partner makes a lousy case to create towncred for the partner, but I don't think that is likely. So this weakens the Didds/math link for me.
I did exactly that in Mouse Mafia and you called me out for "bussing with no teeth". What is the difference here?
I forgot about that! But the energy behind math's case is different. I guess I don't know what math would do, but I would have a very hard time dissing a partner like that. You politely pointed to some things and never mentioned them again. But it's also true that in this game you have highlighted math's not following through with an apparent scumread. I'll look at it again, but even if reviewing renews the partner hypothesis, I'd want to exile math >Didds, since her scumminess is essentially her association with him.

I think her partnering with Jack is unlikely because of how Galz went after her D2. That's the same thing again, huh?

I'm on my phone and should really check all this stuff out on the computer.  What was partnery about them D2?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1279 on: March 19, 2022, 08:24:34 am »

For those of us that have a played a couple of games with Jack, the reason we arenít pressing him more is that it tends to be of little use. He doesnít really develop reads, and doesnít share his thoughts beyond the immediate. At least that has been my sense.
But he was scum in ALL of those games. You don't want to find out if he might play differently when he's town?

Well sure, which is why I have asked him about his reads early on. He said that he doesnít really know how to form reads. I am also mindful that this is his 4th game. This game is hard to get into, I appreciate him replacing in because if Galz was still just stringing him along weíd for sure think he was scum (and they might be) but generally Iíd prefer not to make the game less hospitable by saying heís not contributing when he is managing to show up and share some insight, which is more than I can say about Galz.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1280 on: March 19, 2022, 08:29:15 am »

Fang, can you tell me where youíre at? We need to vote today or tomorrow and if you are increasingly convinced that it is me, despite EFHW and Swowl expressing some skepticism of that position, Iíd prefer to spend much of my weekend trying to convince you otherwise. Lost causes and all.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1281 on: March 19, 2022, 08:29:35 am »

Is there any way for us to test fangs double voting ability?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1282 on: March 19, 2022, 08:33:15 am »

I'm now safely back in the UK.

Still leaning towards the WCD/math/gk team, although I do take the point that they're playing a very bold game if that is the team. Still, scum occasionally needs to do that.

I donít play bold games. Iím not a terribly bold person. When I win when Iím scum I do it by staying below the level of scrutiny. Much like Galz and gk have done here
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1283 on: March 19, 2022, 08:35:07 am »

Letís vote for gk! In pretty much all of our POEís heís a common denominator.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1284 on: March 19, 2022, 09:33:39 am »

Is there any way for us to test fangs double voting ability?
Yes, but it risks a quickhammer.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1285 on: March 19, 2022, 11:38:00 am »

Is there any way for us to test fangs double voting ability?
Yes, but it risks a quickhammer.

If fang votes scum, then there's no risk of a quickhammer.

But yes, in case he votes town, we'd need fang vote, have a vote count, then unvote, without 2 scum showing up between. But it's still a risk for scum, since 1 voting outs them, and if fang unvotes at that point before the 2nd shows up, then we know a scum. There would be no reason for town to vote.

So I guess it's fang's level of confidence... whether he's sure he's voting for scum, or whether he can stay active until a vote count (or to unvote if one scum shows up to try and quickhammer).
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1286 on: March 19, 2022, 12:50:45 pm »

When Reggie has done the vote counts that show us how we had voted beforeÖ. Would that work.(3 could vote and then unvote and weíd see it?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1287 on: March 19, 2022, 01:35:36 pm »

When Reggie has done the vote counts that show us how we had voted beforeÖ. Would that work? Fang could vote and then unvote and weíd see it?

Fixed it
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1288 on: March 19, 2022, 01:42:38 pm »

Anyway, it's time we did some voting. I intend to vote for Didds.

Why are we on different pages about this in regards to Math/Didds?
is it just the day 2 wagon?

And why are you assuming that people (or at least fang) think you're town?  If you're scum, then your reads don't matter as much, yet... and if Didds flips scum, then you look really bad for it.  (And if Didds flips town, then well played to you and your partners, for fooling most of the town).

I donít understand where you are inferring that I think people think Iím town from. I just asked fang a question.
And in regards to Didds, or anyone for that matter, I do not care at all how it makes me look - first world problems - the one and only goal today for all town is to find skum. Thatís it.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1289 on: March 19, 2022, 03:27:31 pm »

Anyway, it's time we did some voting. I intend to vote for Didds.

Why are we on different pages about this in regards to Math/Didds?
is it just the day 2 wagon?

And why are you assuming that people (or at least fang) think you're town?  If you're scum, then your reads don't matter as much, yet... and if Didds flips scum, then you look really bad for it.  (And if Didds flips town, then well played to you and your partners, for fooling most of the town).

I donít understand where you are inferring that I think people think Iím town from. I just asked fang a question.
And in regards to Didds, or anyone for that matter, I do not care at all how it makes me look - first world problems - the one and only goal today for all town is to find skum. Thatís it.

Maybe I misinterpreted, but it sounded like the "we" meant you were telling fang that between the 2 of you, you need to sort out who to vote for. Like a towncore was you and the IC.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1290 on: March 19, 2022, 04:41:59 pm »

Nope - I just know he is town so I can trust his opinion, and he is choosing differently than I between the 2 of you, so I would like to know why.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1291 on: March 19, 2022, 05:03:52 pm »

Nope - I just know he is town so I can trust his opinion, and he is choosing differently than I between the 2 of you, so I would like to know why.
Ok, thanks for clarifying what you meant. I have just done a complete reread of you to try and work out what you meant by the "different pages" thing. And I still didn't really get it. As far as I can see you've been suspicious of both mathdude and Didds, and often Didds more than mathdude.

Here are 3 reasons for preferring Didds:
First one is I am finding it hard to see any team that includes mathdude but not Didds. On the other hand I see a few potential teams that include Didds but not mathdude. I'll leave it a bit vague like that, so as not to influence night kill, hoping we get through to the night at all!

Second reason for stating that preference was to see what reactions I get. And the reactions from EFHW and yourself have been interesting, and make me more keen to exile Didds.

Third reason is that I'm happier using my extra vote to express the opinions of dead towns (e+scola+MiX+joth) - all 4 suspected Didds, rather than just the 2 (MiX+joth) who suspected mathdude.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1292 on: March 19, 2022, 05:07:02 pm »

Fang, can you tell me where youíre at? We need to vote today or tomorrow and if you are increasingly convinced that it is me, despite EFHW and Swowl expressing some skepticism of that position, Iíd prefer to spend much of my weekend trying to convince you otherwise. Lost causes and all.

It is not worth spending most of your weekend on this game. Or most of my weekend.

If I am wrong then I am sorry, to you and the entire town, but I think we just need to get on and...

vote: Didds

Vote Count please
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1293 on: March 19, 2022, 05:39:25 pm »

Vote Count 4.1
Which came first: the chicken or the egg? The egg, by about 300 million years!
WestCoastDidds (2) : infangthief
 
Not voting (6) : EFHW, gkrieg13, Jack Rudd, mathdude, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
 
Currently, WestCoastDidds is set to be exiled!  With 7 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 ends March 21, 2022, 10:00:00 am your time.
 
Votes:

infangthief→WestCoastDidds

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1294 on: March 19, 2022, 08:33:38 pm »

Cool.

I'm dead, then.  Thanks for the game, ya'll.

Not scum, never was. I've played badly, but that doesn't make me anything other than a dummy or dupe, but not scum.

Fang, I hope that you apologies will be profuse. We deserve that from you for this.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1295 on: March 19, 2022, 08:52:00 pm »

fang, you need to unvote! Or is this bait?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1296 on: March 19, 2022, 09:01:29 pm »

Fang, can you tell me where youíre at? We need to vote today or tomorrow and if you are increasingly convinced that it is me, despite EFHW and Swowl expressing some skepticism of that position, Iíd prefer to spend much of my weekend trying to convince you otherwise. Lost causes and all.

It is not worth spending most of your weekend on this game. Or most of my weekend.

If I am wrong then I am sorry, to you and the entire town, but I think we just need to get on and...

vote: Didds

Vote Count please

I guess this is more than a test. Maybe I should go ahead and vote math? I like him better than Didds. fang, what are you intending here? Final showdown - have it out now?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1297 on: March 19, 2022, 09:15:41 pm »

Iím not sure what to make of Didds reaction.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1298 on: March 19, 2022, 09:28:03 pm »

Iím not sure what to make of Didds reaction.

Lots of AtE, that's for sure!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1299 on: March 19, 2022, 09:29:07 pm »

vote: Didds. I think with fangís vote we probably donít have any choice.
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