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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #975 on: March 07, 2022, 07:41:34 pm »

Where is everybody?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #976 on: March 07, 2022, 09:24:59 pm »

Where is everybody?

I can't speak for everybody.  But personally... way too busy in RL, and completely lost in-game.  It almost still feels like another D1 without any scum flips yet.  "I think because this person voted here..." and "my gut tells me..." and "it seems like XX and YY are partnering/buddying/sheeping/etc." is about all I can come up with.  And I don't have time to dig into it deeper.

So where am I at?  At the moment...

MiX and Didds look a bit scummy from how I felt they had minor interactions D1 (I mean when I read them "live" through D1, not looking back at their D1 now in D3 which I haven't done and don't have time to do).

Swowl has been contributing a bit, but I don't recall anything useful that stood out, so it sort of feels like lurking... could be scummy, but I have no idea.

Galz has been very non-existent, like scola was... does that make him scummy?  I don't know.

joth still seems quite scummy to me, as most of his posts seem to be things I think (and avoid posting) when I'm scum, but others seem to be town-reading him for the exact things I think make him scummy.

EFHW and fang, I haven't really had a read on either way all game.

gkrieg has felt townie to me all game, which I recognize is mostly because he has been quite vocal about saying he thinks I'm town, and I know that's confirmation bias, and scum would definitely know I'm town, so I don't really know where that leaves me on him, but I sure hope he's town.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #977 on: March 07, 2022, 09:38:55 pm »

I'll read the long posts when I'm more awake, but joth, weren't we waiting for your Day2 reread of Didds?

I feel like I'm settling on my exile pool for today. Not sharing quite yet.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #978 on: March 07, 2022, 11:31:20 pm »

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #979 on: March 08, 2022, 02:14:07 am »

Sorry - weekends are almost always a no-post time for me due to work, and this weekend was particularly draining … and then I honestly just completely forgot about this today (haven’t even been on forums). I haven’t read anything since end of day yesterday. Will catch up in the morning.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #980 on: March 08, 2022, 02:37:40 am »

I've also been prodable for a while.

I think there's three people that can be solved today: Didds, math and joth. Solving those 3 should be the focus of today. I haven't even begun writing the votes down, let alone do a VCA. Oh, EFHW, can you do that vote recap you post sometimes?

I don't really have reads beyond this because random takes are not useful here. Scola's town flip is not very useful in a vacuum, but it should make rereading better.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #981 on: March 08, 2022, 03:01:06 am »

I'd like to understand mathdude's complete turnaround on Didds in #776.

Swowl asked it well just afterwards:
3. How does WCD move into your "will not vote" category from "voting didds" if you "do not read them as more towny than before?"... when you were voting them?
... but got no answer as far as I can see.

I asked again later, and the best answer I got was that exiling scola would be more informative. Which seemed unlikely.

So... what's the real reason mathdude?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #982 on: March 08, 2022, 06:56:14 am »

I'll read the long posts when I'm more awake, but joth, weren't we waiting for your Day2 reread of Didds?

I feel like I'm settling on my exile pool for today. Not sharing quite yet.

Yeah. Big week for me at work (and big birthday weekend) so it's kind of amazing I managed to get a Day 1 re-read done. But I think I can carve out some time for day 2 this evening. If I try to do it during the work day it'll eat too much time.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #983 on: March 08, 2022, 06:57:38 am »

I'd like to understand mathdude's complete turnaround on Didds in #776.

Swowl asked it well just afterwards:
3. How does WCD move into your "will not vote" category from "voting didds" if you "do not read them as more towny than before?"... when you were voting them?
... but got no answer as far as I can see.

I asked again later, and the best answer I got was that exiling scola would be more informative. Which seemed unlikely.

So... what's the real reason mathdude?

I think I know the real reason. (It's that they're scum partners together).
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #984 on: March 08, 2022, 07:16:13 am »

EFHW, you said that you didn't see anything in Galzria's and e's early-day-2 cases on Didds.

What did you think of mathdude's case (#628)?

And when you ISO'd Didds, did you think anything was scummy or towny?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #985 on: March 08, 2022, 09:02:59 am »

Day One Official vote counts:

Vote Count 1.1
Some birds, including pelicans, can squawk from inside their eggs if they are too hot or cold before hatching.
2.71828..... (3) : infangthief, Galzria, Dylan32
MiX (2) : faust, gkrieg13
infangthief (1) : EFHW
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (5) : jotheonah, mathdude, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
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Vote Count 1.2
Platypus and echidnas are the only mammals which lay eggs.
2.71828..... (4) : infangthief, Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
MiX (2) : EFHW, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
Dylan32 (1) : faust
 
Not voting (4) : mathdude, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
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Vote Count 1.3
Did you know? Vote counts now include linked posts!
2.71828..... (3) : Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief
Dylan32 (2) : faust, WestCoastDidds
MiX (2) : gkrieg13, mathdude
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.4
Eggs start wiggling around by themselves a few days before hatching.
2.71828..... (3) : Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief
Dylan32 (3) : faust, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
MiX (2) : gkrieg13, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.5
A chef's hat has a number of pleats equal to the number of ways that chef can cook eggs.
mathdude (4) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief, jotheonah
Dylan32 (4) : faust, 2.71828....., mathdude, gkrieg13
2.71828..... (2) : Galzria, Dylan32
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
scolapasta (1) : WestCoastDidds
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.Final
As the eggs sat in the nest, pipping to each other, they decided it would be best to get rid of the red eggs. Unfortunately, their shells being in the way made that hard to do. They had to take their best guess though, and succeeded in pushing a suspicious egg out of the nest.

SPLAT!
Dylan32 (5) : faust, 2.71828....., mathdude, gkrieg13, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (4) : Dylan32, MiX, jotheonah, infangthief
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, Galzria
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #986 on: March 08, 2022, 09:05:16 am »

Day two official vote counts

Vote Count 2.1
Cassowary eggs have the thickest shells of any bird, more than half a centimeter thick!
WestCoastDidds (3) : Galzria, jotheonah, mathdude
mathdude (1) : infangthief
scolapasta (1) : gkrieg13
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
 
Not voting (5) : EFHW, MiX, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
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Vote Count 2.2
The Pangea Software game Nanosaur 2: Hatchling was released in 2004 for Windows and Mac and bundled with many Macintosh machines.
mathdude (3) : infangthief, EFHW, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2) : jotheonah, mathdude
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
jotheonah (1) : WestCoastDidds
 
Not voting (2) : scolapasta, Swowl
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Vote Count 2.3
Some birds, including cuckoos and cowbirds, lay their eggs in other birds' nests!
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Galzria, Swowl
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (2) : jotheonah, infangthief
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
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Vote Count 2.4
The largest egg ever recorded was laid by an ostrich in Sweden in 2008. It weighed 2.589 kg!
mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, mathdude, EFHW
gkrieg13 (2) : 2.71828....., scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
WestCoastDidds (1) : infangthief
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Vote Count 2.5
The eggs are getting quite wiggly!
mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, EFHW, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (2) : 2.71828....., scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : MiX, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1) : infangthief

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Vote Count 2.Final
The eggs had to avenge faust's untimely demise. But who was responsible? One egg in particular seemed awfully suspicious…
scolapasta (5) : MiX, mathdude, EFHW, WestCoastDidds, gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (4) : infangthief, scolapasta, 2.71828....., jotheonah
mathdude (2) : Galzria, Swowl
 
scolapasta, an unhatched green egg has been exiled!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #987 on: March 08, 2022, 09:18:40 am »

With color!

Day One Official vote counts:

Vote Count 1.1
Some birds, including pelicans, can squawk from inside their eggs if they are too hot or cold before hatching.
2.71828..... (3) : infangthief, Galzria, Dylan32
MiX (2) : faust, gkrieg13
infangthief (1) : EFHW
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (5) : jotheonah, mathdude, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
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Vote Count 1.2
Platypus and echidnas are the only mammals which lay eggs.
2.71828..... (4) : infangthief, Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
MiX (2) : EFHW, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
Dylan32 (1) : faust
 
Not voting (4) : mathdude, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
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Vote Count 1.3
Did you know? Vote counts now include linked posts!
2.71828..... (3) : Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief
Dylan32 (2) : faust, WestCoastDidds
MiX (2) : gkrieg13, mathdude
gkrieg13 (1) : 2.71828.....
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.4
Eggs start wiggling around by themselves a few days before hatching.
2.71828..... (3) : Galzria, Dylan32, jotheonah
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief
Dylan32 (3) : faust, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
MiX (2) : gkrieg13, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.5
A chef's hat has a number of pleats equal to the number of ways that chef can cook eggs.
mathdude (4) : EFHW, Swowl, infangthief, jotheonah
Dylan32 (4) : faust, 2.71828....., mathdude, gkrieg13
2.71828..... (2) : Galzria, Dylan32
WestCoastDidds (1) : MiX
scolapasta (1) : WestCoastDidds
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta
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Vote Count 1.Final
As the eggs sat in the nest, pipping to each other, they decided it would be best to get rid of the red eggs. Unfortunately, their shells being in the way made that hard to do. They had to take their best guess though, and succeeded in pushing a suspicious egg out of the nest.

SPLAT!
Dylan32 (5) : faust, 2.71828....., mathdude, gkrieg13, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (4) : Dylan32, MiX, jotheonah, infangthief
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Swowl, Galzria
 
Not voting (1) : scolapasta

Dylan32, an unhatched green egg, has been exiled.

Day two official vote counts

Vote Count 2.1
Cassowary eggs have the thickest shells of any bird, more than half a centimeter thick!
WestCoastDidds (3) : Galzria, jotheonah, mathdude
mathdude (1) : infangthief
scolapasta (1) : gkrieg13
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
 
Not voting (5) : EFHW, MiX, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds
__________________
Vote Count 2.2
The Pangea Software game Nanosaur 2: Hatchling was released in 2004 for Windows and Mac and bundled with many Macintosh machines.
mathdude (3) : infangthief, EFHW, Galzria
WestCoastDidds (2) : jotheonah, mathdude
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
jotheonah (1) : WestCoastDidds
 
Not voting (2) : scolapasta, Swowl
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Vote Count 2.3
Some birds, including cuckoos and cowbirds, lay their eggs in other birds' nests!
mathdude (3) : EFHW, Galzria, Swowl
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (2) : jotheonah, infangthief
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
Swowl (1) : 2.71828.....
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Vote Count 2.4
The largest egg ever recorded was laid by an ostrich in Sweden in 2008. It weighed 2.589 kg!
mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, mathdude, EFHW
gkrieg13 (2) : 2.71828....., scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
WestCoastDidds (1) : infangthief
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Vote Count 2.5
The eggs are getting quite wiggly!
mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, EFHW, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (2) : 2.71828....., scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : MiX, mathdude
WestCoastDidds (1) : infangthief

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Vote Count 2.Final
The eggs had to avenge faust's untimely demise. But who was responsible? One egg in particular seemed awfully suspicious…
scolapasta (5) : MiX, mathdude, EFHW, WestCoastDidds, gkrieg13
WestCoastDidds (4) : infangthief, scolapasta, 2.71828....., jotheonah
mathdude (2) : Galzria, Swowl
 
scolapasta, an unhatched green egg has been exiled!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #988 on: March 08, 2022, 09:47:17 am »

I'd like to understand mathdude's complete turnaround on Didds in #776.

Swowl asked it well just afterwards:
3. How does WCD move into your "will not vote" category from "voting didds" if you "do not read them as more towny than before?"... when you were voting them?
... but got no answer as far as I can see.

I asked again later, and the best answer I got was that exiling scola would be more informative. Which seemed unlikely.

So... what's the real reason mathdude?

I think I know the real reason. (It's that they're scum partners together).

Oh no, you've caught us! Now who is the 3rd?

Really though... Didds, I do hope you're town, even though I still think you're somewhat scummy. Because if you're scum, and people stick with this pairing, then I think you've won the game.  (If they exile me, see I'm town, then they'll IC you... if they exile you and see you're scum, then they'll misexile me).

But to address the original question from fang today (and commenting about fang and Swowl questions yesterday)... it feels like you think I had a hard scum-read of Didds D1 and switched to strongly town-reading her D2. Go read again... I think you're trying to create a connection that isn't there, so you're stretching things.

D1 I believe I was mostly scum-reading MiX and e, but not likely together. But I got a sense that Didds and MiX were a bit partner-y so she was someone I was leery on as well. Then start of D2, others seemed to jump on Didds and I had no other reads at the very start of the day (don't remember if I actually voted or not).

But as D2 went on, I got more scum pings from joth and scola (in the few posts he did make)... so they both jumped ahead of Didds (who hadn't done anything to change my read on her of "sort of scummy"). And toward the end of D2, with the strong opinions on the others, I thought it would be more useful if scola or joth flipped scum than if Didds did  (all 3 of which I thought was still a good possibility).
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #989 on: March 08, 2022, 10:45:58 am »

er, mathdude, you might want to go and read your posts #628 and #776 again.

Also, what connection did you think I was trying to make?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #990 on: March 08, 2022, 03:27:06 pm »

er, mathdude, you might want to go and read your posts #628 and #776 again.

Also, what connection did you think I was trying to make?

Post #628... fair enough.  I guess I didn't remember all that when we got toward EoD2, or else I may have still kept Didds in my "would vote" category with joth and scola.

Post #776 though... I don't see anything worth noting there.  I said she still seems scummy, but "now" (at that time), others seem scummier.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #991 on: March 08, 2022, 03:44:00 pm »

EFHW, you said that you didn't see anything in Galzria's and e's early-day-2 cases on Didds.

What did you think of mathdude's case (#628)?

And when you ISO'd Didds, did you think anything was scummy or towny?

math's case looks like confirmation bias through and through. And it's a bit mean. He disagrees on theory, which doesn't make her scummy. He dismisses the content of her posts and instead says she doesn't sound like herself. He doesn't have a scum narrative, just opportunistic attacks.

Regarding my opinions about Didds' play, overall I found her open, articulate and present. Things that gave me pause were her repeated statements about how relieved she is to be town finally and the wavering of her scumread on Dylan. I thought she handled the pressure on her well. I thought her explanation of her EOD votes was much more convincing than the narratives other people were trying to spin, Galz in particular. I haven't been following her recent reads to see if they make sense. Should do that.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #992 on: March 08, 2022, 03:45:35 pm »

Oh, EFHW, can you do that vote recap you post sometimes?

Sorry that's too much work at this point. Unlike Space, I have to enter the votes by hand.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #993 on: March 08, 2022, 06:33:33 pm »

Yeah so, I don't think I'm going to get to a re-read tonight.

I'm going to London on Sunday for work and there's a lot I have to get done before I go, so this week is kind of a lot at work. And work is spilling into leisure time a bit, c'est la vie. But there's like 4 days til deadline.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #994 on: March 08, 2022, 07:45:11 pm »

@EFHW, I can see why my relief at being town sounds as scummy since its so heart-on-the-sleeve, but I was super frustrated by all of the "she seems off" "she's digging herself deeper" with no real reason being articulated, and I was especially frustrated because the "off", to my mind, is because I have been scum twice in a row so my normal from the last three months has been scum and now I'm not. So if I'm off, its off from my scum self.

@Joth safe travels!!
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I never got to read what Didds said, but whatever she's saying, she's right.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #995 on: March 08, 2022, 08:38:32 pm »

Oh, EFHW, can you do that vote recap you post sometimes?

Sorry that's too much work at this point. Unlike Space, I have to enter the votes by hand.

It’s not going to be as good, but I have been trying to pound through a whole has voted who list to help my VcA. I’ll post it when I’m done
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real good. That’s how
Town:  14 wins, 14 losses (1 MVP)
Skum: 7 wins, 7 losses (1 MVP)
3-Party: 4 wins, 1 loss

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #996 on: March 08, 2022, 10:01:30 pm »

End-of-day posts, which can be accessed through the game tracker, have been updated with all votes placed that day, linked. I can also include this type of list in future vote counts, if people want.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #997 on: March 09, 2022, 01:13:27 am »

lol
*facepalm*
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Town:  14 wins, 14 losses (1 MVP)
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #998 on: March 09, 2022, 01:36:21 am »

Still reading / putting together my thoughts & answering questions posed to me. Have like 6 different notepads open right now 🤣. I’m about 4 hours into it - I’ll finish up in the am.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #999 on: March 09, 2022, 03:43:59 am »

End-of-day posts, which can be accessed through the game tracker, have been updated with all votes placed that day, linked. I can also include this type of list in future vote counts, if people want.

Okay, thanks town!Reggie!

I don't think that's fair. But I suppose if every mod did that it would be fine, so...


Well...I guess I have no reason to delay thinking about this game now. I'll do a VCA in this afternoon, saying that here so I actually do it.
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