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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #850 on: March 02, 2022, 07:16:57 pm »

EFHW, you did a Didds reread and don't think she's scum.

What do you think of my observation here (post #668)?

As much as I like the metaphor of the nest, I am not at all fond of the idea that anyone could be pushed out of the nest to splat on the sidewalk!

I could see a Didds/MiX/X team

you doing the good drugs? that makes no sense to me at all.
I want to ask, why? I mean, if you are town then you don't need to say this, you just know that it's wrong. Weird (for you, I think?) to say "that makes no sense". Someone's probably already asked why, I'll read on.
I think I see the angle you are taking - it sounds to you, I think, like she doesn't know her own alignment.  I read it as she can't see how e got to that team from the available information.

Question for Didds. Why did e's suggestion of a Didds/Mix/X team make no sense?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #851 on: March 02, 2022, 07:34:24 pm »

I'll be on tomorrow morning, but not continuously.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #852 on: March 02, 2022, 08:53:06 pm »

Vote Count 2.4
The largest egg ever recorded was laid by an ostrich in Sweden in 2008. It weighed 2.589 kg!
mathdude (3) : Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah
jotheonah (3) : WestCoastDidds, mathdude, EFHW
gkrieg13 (2) : 2.71828....., scolapasta
scolapasta (2) : gkrieg13, MiX
WestCoastDidds (1) : infangthief
 
Currently, mathdude is set to be exiled!  Day 1 ends at March 03, 2022, 09:00:00 am your time. That's just about 12 hours from now.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #853 on: March 02, 2022, 09:49:30 pm »

Thanks gkrieg.

vote: Didds
I think that's where I want to be.

I'm happy with my vote staying on joth. But I'm also very willing to switch to pasta. At this point, I would only switch to someone other than those 2 for self-preservation.
Why not Didds?

The other two have generated stronger, more recent, more polarizing opinions. These are useful, regardless of flip result... and as a bonus, it's quite possible we'll find scum by flipping one of them.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #854 on: March 03, 2022, 12:11:21 am »

I’m not going to be on in the morning (it’s too early my time zone). Debating whether to leave my vote on scola or to vote for joth.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #855 on: March 03, 2022, 12:13:30 am »

For example, there are very few posts from gkrieg between these two:

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about joth.  Specifically, I'd like to hear from fang and gkrieg about this... but other people's thoughts might be helpful too.

I think I already elaborated a little, I think there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

Beyond that, pretty neutral.

scola is definitely my top choice of exile, then joth, then math. As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled.

I think we are at math 4, joth 3, scola 3, with infangthief voting alone?

How do we go from "pretty neutral" to #2 exile choice?

Just going where the current wind blow? Just finding anything that seems in vogue do you don't upset any apple carts?

Just feels so opportunistic coming out strong against scola and then on board with any main wagon. No actual scum hunting coming from gkrieg

Going from "pretty neutral" to #2 of the current wagons. I'm not saying he is my #2 exile choice of all players. I was strictly stating my preferences on the current wagons. How does "As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled." make any sense with how you are interpreting that quote?

Outside of misunderstanding the post you link above, has anything else I've done been opportunistic? I have been telling people scola is scum since the beginning of the Day, and I'm first on the wagon.

Jumping on scola early D2 easily fits as opportunistic.

Scola's D1 made him an ready target. Having a clear target to go through, evaluate, vote for, tunnel. That is easy. And a great way to avoid looking anywhere else.

You know, like an opportunity
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #856 on: March 03, 2022, 12:14:28 am »

Gkrieg, who is your #2 exile then?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #857 on: March 03, 2022, 12:25:24 am »

For example, there are very few posts from gkrieg between these two:

I'm wondering what people's thoughts are about joth.  Specifically, I'd like to hear from fang and gkrieg about this... but other people's thoughts might be helpful too.

I think I already elaborated a little, I think there are certain partnerships where scum!joth doesn't make sense.

Beyond that, pretty neutral.

scola is definitely my top choice of exile, then joth, then math. As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled.

I think we are at math 4, joth 3, scola 3, with infangthief voting alone?

How do we go from "pretty neutral" to #2 exile choice?

Just going where the current wind blow? Just finding anything that seems in vogue do you don't upset any apple carts?

Just feels so opportunistic coming out strong against scola and then on board with any main wagon. No actual scum hunting coming from gkrieg

Going from "pretty neutral" to #2 of the current wagons. I'm not saying he is my #2 exile choice of all players. I was strictly stating my preferences on the current wagons. How does "As in, I would change my vote to joth to stop math from being exiled." make any sense with how you are interpreting that quote?

Outside of misunderstanding the post you link above, has anything else I've done been opportunistic? I have been telling people scola is scum since the beginning of the Day, and I'm first on the wagon.

Jumping on scola early D2 easily fits as opportunistic.

Scola's D1 made him an ready target. Having a clear target to go through, evaluate, vote for, tunnel. That is easy. And a great way to avoid looking anywhere else.

You know, like an opportunity

But I didn’t avoid looking anywhere else. I was actively trying to figure out what happened at the end of D1 and forming reads based on that. I then made a case on scola that didn’t seem to gain any traction, or attention.

I wouldn’t describe tunneling as opportunistic.

Also your previous post says that I’m going where the wind takes me. Where have I done that?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #858 on: March 03, 2022, 12:29:42 am »

Gkrieg, who is your #2 exile then?

I’m not sure what you are going for, but probably MiX.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #859 on: March 03, 2022, 12:35:22 am »

Going to bed. Vote: joth. I’d rather have his exile than math’s and I don’t think scola is going to happen.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #860 on: March 03, 2022, 12:39:22 am »

Going to bed. Vote: joth. I’d rather have his exile than math’s and I don’t think scola is going to happen.

This right here is the wind taking you
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #861 on: March 03, 2022, 01:15:36 am »

why and how am I scummy all of a sudden? what did I miss?

Mostly how you parked on Didds and slept for the rest of the day.

In your defense I also don't know who else to exile, which is why I haven't done anything today. It feels like we need another misexile before we can kill scum.
*snip*

if you are in the mindset of more info is needed to get a grip on the game... how do you land on scola?
Good question here

I don't feel like voting for people I don't think are scum.

So then do you think scola is skum or do you think we need a mix-EX?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #862 on: March 03, 2022, 01:30:39 am »

vote: jotheonah That's X-1.

(By the way, last official vote count shows that there is no active double-voter today.)

pretty sure since we lost faust there was gtd to be no other role for us today? Am I reading that incorrectly?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #863 on: March 03, 2022, 02:55:08 am »

vote: jotheonah That's X-1.

(By the way, last official vote count shows that there is no active double-voter today.)

pretty sure since we lost faust there was gtd to be no other role for us today? Am I reading that incorrectly?

There would have been at least 2 town hatches, possibly 3. (I make it about 30% chance of 3, slightly less now that we know there's no double-voter today.) Though if one had been a tree stump then they wouldn't know.
And exactly 1 scum hatch.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #864 on: March 03, 2022, 03:33:17 am »

I didn't notice the Didds wagon dissolving. Interesting.
Pretty sure it is connected with you saying FOS on anyone pushing Didds.
mathdude and joth left soon after.

But I am also suspicious of the people who have "wanted" to vote Didds but haven't:

scola, obviously.

But more significantly MiX. Day 1 came up with a case on Didds that no-one was ever going to follow. And was quite vocal at the end with things like "I'm dying on the Didds wagon" and "I'll get Didds tomorrow". Then take a look at his Day 2 opinions of Didds - a real mixture of "I would vote there" and "I'm defending her". But never a vote day 2, I guess because there was actually enough interest that it might have led to her exile?

So the "Didds/MiX/X team" makes a lot of sense to me.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #865 on: March 03, 2022, 04:12:50 am »

I didn't notice the Didds wagon dissolving. Interesting.
Pretty sure it is connected with you saying FOS on anyone pushing Didds.
mathdude and joth left soon after.

But I am also suspicious of the people who have "wanted" to vote Didds but haven't:

scola, obviously.

But more significantly MiX. Day 1 came up with a case on Didds that no-one was ever going to follow. And was quite vocal at the end with things like "I'm dying on the Didds wagon" and "I'll get Didds tomorrow". Then take a look at his Day 2 opinions of Didds - a real mixture of "I would vote there" and "I'm defending her". But never a vote day 2, I guess because there was actually enough interest that it might have led to her exile?

So the "Didds/MiX/X team" makes a lot of sense to me.

Were you not there EoD1 when I said I reread Didds and thought she was town?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #866 on: March 03, 2022, 04:14:16 am »

So then do you think scola is skum or do you think we need a mix-EX?

Yes? What kind of question is that?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #867 on: March 03, 2022, 04:38:34 am »

Were you not there EoD1 when I said I reread Didds and thought she was town?

Completely missed it.

I've gone back and found it now.
Oh look, you changed your mind as soon as joth showed interest in getting a Didds exile:

MiX, I'd go to Didds with you (sorry Didds).

MiX, I'd go to Didds with you (sorry Didds).

Better than math, I guess.

Lemme reread Didds though.

Unvote

Who did I want to vote before? I forgot now...well, when in doubt, vote scum.

Vote: Didds

Pfftt, you can do better than that

Joth wrote this post, right? :P

I withdraw my scumread on Didds. This is really flimsy since I'm using the previous game as meta, but I trust it.

How did the keenness to exile Didds turn into "Better than math, I guess" before you even reread Didds?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #868 on: March 03, 2022, 04:40:20 am »

Yeh, completely sold on Didds/MiX/X.

Didds had better come up with a good reason why that team makes no sense to her.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #869 on: March 03, 2022, 04:41:51 am »

Okay, that's more like it.

How did the keenness to exile Didds turn into "Better than math, I guess" before you even reread Didds?

I was already having cold feet.

Yeh, completely sold on Didds/MiX/X.

Didds had better come up with a good reason why that team makes no sense to her.

Because last time we were scum I didn't go for Didds at all. And we were scum last game. It doesn't get simpler than this.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #870 on: March 03, 2022, 04:45:56 am »

Okay, that's more like it.

How did the keenness to exile Didds turn into "Better than math, I guess" before you even reread Didds?

I was already having cold feet.

Yeh, completely sold on Didds/MiX/X.

Didds had better come up with a good reason why that team makes no sense to her.

Because last time we were scum I didn't go for Didds at all. And we were scum last game. It doesn't get simpler than this.
I'd like Didds' reason, not yours. You were the one who said it was a good team call because you felt like defending Didds.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #871 on: March 03, 2022, 04:50:58 am »

I'd like Didds' reason, not yours. You were the one who said it was a good team call because you felt like defending Didds.

Yes, it was a good team call because at that time I was going to defend Didds. I hadn't actually done that before. I did townread her in the end of D1, but the only reason she was considered was because I left my vote on her for a long time. From Didds' perspective, I was gunning for her all of D1, so of course it made no sense.

I'm answering for Didds here because 1. I presume it's way too early for americans and 2. this is an old issue.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #872 on: March 03, 2022, 04:53:05 am »

Okay, that's more like it.

How did the keenness to exile Didds turn into "Better than math, I guess" before you even reread Didds?

I was already having cold feet.

Was this you having cold feet:
Is anyone willing to CFD onto Didds, or are we doing Dylan/e today?
I'm not feeling any non-scola non-Didds CFD, and I don't reeeeally want scola dead. I just trust my early read.
Then:
MiX, I'd go to Didds with you (sorry Didds).

Better than math, I guess.

Lemme reread Didds though.
Look at those timestamps. Your feet cooled rapidly in 8 minutes.
Also, during that time EFHW (as well as joth) had indicated willingness to vote Didds.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #873 on: March 03, 2022, 04:55:49 am »

Yes. Ever heard of "all bark no bite"? That was me. I was projecting my early scumread on Didds without having a current scumread on her. When things went serious I went to reread Didds to get that scumread back. Instead I didn't.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #874 on: March 03, 2022, 04:56:30 am »

Okay, that's more like it.

How did the keenness to exile Didds turn into "Better than math, I guess" before you even reread Didds?

I was already having cold feet.

Was this you having cold feet:
Is anyone willing to CFD onto Didds, or are we doing Dylan/e today?
I'm not feeling any non-scola non-Didds CFD, and I don't reeeeally want scola dead. I just trust my early read.
Then:
MiX, I'd go to Didds with you (sorry Didds).

Better than math, I guess.

Lemme reread Didds though.
Look at those timestamps. Your feet cooled rapidly in 8 minutes.
Also, during that time EFHW (as well as joth) had indicated willingness to vote Didds.

That's a town tell for MiX in my opinion.

I think Didds could totally be scum though, willing to go there.
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