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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: February 17, 2022, 02:34:57 pm »

scolapasta, were you aware that the game had started?

what information were you hoping to gain from this?

You have to ask fang. I was just noticing that scola hadn't answered fang's question about was he aware.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: February 17, 2022, 02:35:17 pm »

Better late than never! Not sure where to go yet. My default setting says to vote for MiX, but I see there's a few there already so I'll wait until I read in more depth.
Please let me know when you've done this and what your findings are.

Haven't done it yet. Won't have time tonight. Hoping for tomorrow.

Can you tell everyone to stop posting to limit how much I need to catch up on?

mathdude being jokey anti-town here. Excited to see his catch-up.

I'm curious as to why you say being jokey is anti-town.  Is that your default when you post as scum?  Do you think that's our group's meta?  Are you implying it's mine?  Obviously I don't have an outside perspective, but I feel I'm more comfortable posting whatever comes to mind as town (which for me tends to be a lot of sarcasm and jokey comments), and try to be more careful to stay out of the spotlight when I'm scum.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: February 17, 2022, 02:37:48 pm »

Ok, a case on e.

The follow up was just stream of conscious because I play (almost) exclusively from my phone so I state things as I remember them. And I did not remember things correctly.

The thing is, MiX's follow-up question was really nuanced and not even obviously directed at e. Like, it was directed at e because it was a reply to his OMGUS vote. Here it is again, including e's answer:

Vote: infangthief

Because OMGUS is a pretty solid case at this point

Do you have a reason to think infang would vote town in RVS as scum?

That's a good point. We should flip you so that way we can ask questions like this on D2

So somehow e noticed that it was a question to him, but didn't notice that it was in the context of him voting me for OMGUS.
Ok, I can believe that - e's later confusion about whether I'd been voting for e or MiX seemed genuine.

But then the problem is that MiX's question was rather nuanced; it took me a fair amount of jumping through "other-people's-point-of-view" hoops in order to work out what relevance it had. And I think such hoop jumping would be needed by anyone.

Unless... unless that person is scum and knows alignments. Then there is an obvious, non-nuanced meaning, and allows e to answer it without needing to do hoop-jumping.
So I think e is scum and MiX is town.

And another thing. Isn't the natural, towny response to MiX's question "we should flip fang", rather than "we should flip [MiX]"?

Sounds like a few layers of WIFOM going on here.  In general, the response to such a question would probably be "flip fang".  But given recent history with MiX in some games, seems flipping MiX regardless has become a viable option sometimes!  And yes, he's been known to advocate for his own exile to reveal information about people's reads.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: February 17, 2022, 02:42:44 pm »

In that long chain of posts I just quoted, I almost forgot that I wanted to comment on this line specifically.

So I think e is scum and MiX is town.

I came to a very similar consensus - in my casual reading the last day and a bit, I had sort of worked out that it's probably either e or MiX as scum, but not likely both... and my gut was saying probably e.  At this point, having read through everything again, I'd be more inclined to lean towards MiX.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: February 17, 2022, 02:46:35 pm »

In that long chain of posts I just quoted, I almost forgot that I wanted to comment on this line specifically.

So I think e is scum and MiX is town.

I came to a very similar consensus - in my casual reading the last day and a bit, I had sort of worked out that it's probably either e or MiX as scum, but not likely both... and my gut was saying probably e.  At this point, having read through everything again, I'd be more inclined to lean towards MiX.

Can you say what initially had you leaning towards scum!e and now has you thinking scum!MiX? Or even what led you to thinking they aren't both scum or both town?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: February 17, 2022, 02:53:19 pm »

So what are my current reads?  Fairly weak, but at least a starting point.

MiX - scummy (though if we flip e and find scum, then I'd say MiX would look very townie)
Swowl - typical for what I remember from the last game or two, but I'd like to see more of his thoughts
Galzria - nothing stands out, waiting for his promised "contribution" today
EFHW - nothing stands out
scolapasta - post more!
WestCoastDidds - I was getting slight scum-vibes with a bit of her interaction with MiX
jotheonah - seems townie for now
faust - seems townie for now
gkrieg13 - his numerous small posts have had very little useful content, so I'm leaning scummy here
infangthief - seems townie for now
Dylan32 - need more info, no current read
2.71828..... - seems scummy, but not if MiX is scum

I'd vote e or MiX at this point, but I think we're more likely to flip scum with MiX.  I would also consider voting Didds.  And if gkrieg doesn't offer more useful opinions, I'd vote there as another option.

So for now...
Vote: MiX
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: February 17, 2022, 02:54:54 pm »

I think any sort of "if X is scum Y is town" (along with any other combination of that statement) is premature at best
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: February 17, 2022, 02:56:14 pm »

In that long chain of posts I just quoted, I almost forgot that I wanted to comment on this line specifically.

So I think e is scum and MiX is town.

I came to a very similar consensus - in my casual reading the last day and a bit, I had sort of worked out that it's probably either e or MiX as scum, but not likely both... and my gut was saying probably e.  At this point, having read through everything again, I'd be more inclined to lean towards MiX.

Can you say what initially had you leaning towards scum!e and now has you thinking scum!MiX? Or even what led you to thinking they aren't both scum or both town?

I cannot say what initially had me leaning toward scum!e.  It was mobile-reading, and gut feeling.

Why do I say they're not both scum?  The interaction between them and their responses to other people just don't seem to be something I'd expect from them if they were both scum.  I don't have specifics, but it seemed like an either-or (not a "both").

I don't think I said they aren't both town.  They are my top 2 scum reads, individually.  But it's D1.  They could be T-vs-T and I'm completely wrong.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: February 17, 2022, 02:56:56 pm »

I think any sort of "if X is scum Y is town" (along with any other combination of that statement) is premature at best

You're entitled to your opinion.  I think you're wrong.  Those are my thoughts.  So I posted them.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: February 17, 2022, 03:00:44 pm »

Do you find it skumy when people do this?
I find it anti-town. Whether it's scummy depend on context and the individual's meta.

ok fine. do you find it skummy when mix does this?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: February 17, 2022, 03:59:01 pm »

e, what do you think about the wagon on you?

faust, what do you think about the wagon on e?

Dylan, what do you think about faust?

Didds, what do you think about MiX's case on you?

How is everyone enjoying being an egg? Do you find it constricting, or freeing?

I think faust is town. I have a very specific reason for thinking it that is a sort of tell that I have been slowly becoming more convinced about over time (that probably wouldn't be extremely persuasive to anybody else until I go back and get the receipts), but I don't want to give it away just for a D1 early read.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: February 17, 2022, 04:23:13 pm »

scolapasta, were you aware that the game had started?

what information were you hoping to gain from this?

You have to ask fang. I was just noticing that scola hadn't answered fang's question about was he aware.

woops! good point.

Fang?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: February 17, 2022, 05:12:20 pm »

I think any sort of "if X is scum Y is town" (along with any other combination of that statement) is premature at best

This
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: February 17, 2022, 05:13:10 pm »

vote: mathdude
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: February 17, 2022, 05:18:44 pm »


Didds, what do you think about MiX's case on you?

How is everyone enjoying being an egg? Do you find it constricting, or freeing?

It is not good.

Cozy eggs in a nest, what is not to like?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #265 on: February 17, 2022, 05:19:29 pm »

More people should be voting for Dylan by the way. Don't worry, I was assured that doing that takes very little effort.

I agree. It’s not like he’s around to question it….

Vote: Dylan
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: February 17, 2022, 05:23:24 pm »

Ah, PPEd myself capping on Dylan. But still, I think we need more.

Dylan, can you elaborate about faust. Or anything else you see going on?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: February 17, 2022, 06:03:57 pm »

More people should be voting for Dylan by the way. Don't worry, I was assured that doing that takes very little effort.

I agree. It’s not like he’s around to question it….

Vote: Dylan

I would be really offended by this if I had had time to post more than the two times I have over the last few days. Unfortunately, I haven't, even though I have been mostly keeping up.

Ah, PPEd myself capping on Dylan. But still, I think we need more.

Dylan, can you elaborate about faust. Or anything else you see going on?

If faust wants to insist that he's right about e's wagon being stale, his vote on me was only 14 posts after the last vote for e, so his opinion is pretty stale too and he might as well move on. What's that faust, it's a good fresh read you say? Ok, then I still like the e wagon too. Outside of that, no I won't elaborate on faust, and scum points for prying when I specifically said I wouldn't right now.

Outside of that, I haven't had a lot that stuck out as alignment indicative. There's been a lot of meta argument about posting reads (why do we have some version of this convo every game? This is like the worst part of our meta here) and a lot of "What do you think about *x person here*?" before anybody really did much of anything. I went through yesterday and tried ISOing like 7 people, and I got a bunch of nothingburger. Posts for the sake of posting rather than anything of substance. I don't like creating filler posts, so I haven't said much, even though I am keeping up.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: February 17, 2022, 06:12:01 pm »

Unvote

Who did I want to vote before? I forgot now...well, when in doubt, vote scum.

Vote: Didds
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: February 17, 2022, 07:57:09 pm »

Unvote

Who did I want to vote before? I forgot now...well, when in doubt, vote scum.

Vote: Didds

Pfftt, you can do better than that
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: February 17, 2022, 11:18:35 pm »

I'm liking Dylan's post.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: February 18, 2022, 02:00:20 am »

More people should be voting for Dylan by the way. Don't worry, I was assured that doing that takes very little effort.

Why?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: February 18, 2022, 02:01:30 am »

More people should be voting for Dylan by the way. Don't worry, I was assured that doing that takes very little effort.

I agree. It’s not like he’s around to question it….

Vote: Dylan

kind of unlike you to take the LAL approach. You have a reason outside of that?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: February 18, 2022, 02:04:45 am »

I think any sort of "if X is scum Y is town" (along with any other combination of that statement) is premature at best

is this in response to Math's read list post?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #274 on: February 18, 2022, 02:08:13 am »

I think any sort of "if X is scum Y is town" (along with any other combination of that statement) is premature at best

is this in response to Math's read list post?

disregard. obv it is
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