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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2022, 11:56:26 am »

Like, faust, imagine if you will the perfect mafia game played by a team of faust clones. What, exactly, would the discussion consist of. How would the fausts discover the scum!faust in their midst?

faust would start this argument, built off another post faust made that said that a specific faust post was townie or scummy, except in a way only faust can understand what faust meant, as it was somewhat hidden. faust would then argue with faust about what faust meant and was thinking about when faust made that post, and we would overall reach the current position with the current discussion, except the starting post would be much more obscure and hard to follow (which would make deciphering it part of the discussion as well, which faust would use to get a read on faust).

Okay maybe I am trolling faust.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: February 16, 2022, 11:58:50 am »

Vote count faust.1:

faust (4): faust, faust, faust, faust
faust (2): faust, faust
faust (1): faust
faust (1): faust

Not voting (3): faust, faust, faust

And yes, my first post after being prodded is a joke post. But I will have to find time later to catch up. I just skimmed the most recent, and thought this would be amusing (reminiscent of Being John Malkovich)
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: February 16, 2022, 12:03:49 pm »

scolapasta, were you aware that the game had started?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: February 16, 2022, 12:04:34 pm »

Vote count faust.1:

faust (4): faust, faust, faust, faust
faust (2): faust, faust
faust (1): faust
faust (1): faust

Not voting (3): faust, faust, faust

And yes, my first post after being prodded is a joke post. But I will have to find time later to catch up. I just skimmed the most recent, and thought this would be amusing (reminiscent of Being John Malkovich)

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: February 16, 2022, 12:11:09 pm »

Alright so either it's a useful piece of information and then it's useful to scum, or it's not and then it's not useful to anyone. There is no sweet spot in the middle where it somehow becomes useful to town.

Look, town can either play as a bunch of individuals keeping everything as close to the vest as possible or as a team pooling information and insights in order to make better decisions as a group. Doing the latter surely gives scum more information, but it also allows town to, you know, play a team game as a team game, work together, learn from each other, and generally improve the quality of their guesses. Whether the opportunity for town collaboration outweighs the opportunities for scum sabotage is, sort of, the whole game.
Ironically, what happens here is exactly opposite than in my post that you quoted: There absolutely is a sweet spot.

Sharing nothing is clearly bad for town. Sharing everything is better... but not very good either. If it were the best way to play, we should have a massclaim at the start of every game. You present this as a binary, but it's not.

But to say that you should never share information that might be useful to scum is to say that you should never share information, which is clearly absurd.
And maybe that's the reason noone has ever said it, including me. When you go back and actually read my posts, you will find that what I said was you should never share information that isn't useful to town. That is my assessment of MiX's Galzria read. There is absolutely a time when sharing townreads is good; like when there's a wagon on your townread or you are doing PoE. This is not that time.

And then there's a bunch of information that is somewhat useful to town, and somewhat useful to scum. I would say that for these you should weigh whether the benefit is bigger than the downside, and obviously different people may come to different conclusions. But it is my impression that most people around f.ds don't bother doing that evaluation at all.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: February 16, 2022, 12:14:13 pm »

Like, faust, imagine if you will the perfect mafia game played by a team of faust clones. What, exactly, would the discussion consist of. How would the fausts discover the scum!faust in their midst?
Funny that you would say that, because actually how much one should share is also meta-dependent. If there's a lot of people not sharing much and the game is not progressing, then sharing information just to generate discussion becomes more and more reasonable. But as long as you guys are happy to overshare, there is no real need for me to do that.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: February 16, 2022, 12:14:59 pm »

Vote count faust.1:

faust (4): faust, faust, faust, faust
faust (2): faust, faust
faust (1): faust
faust (1): faust

Not voting (3): faust, faust, faust

And yes, my first post after being prodded is a joke post. But I will have to find time later to catch up. I just skimmed the most recent, and thought this would be amusing (reminiscent of Being John Malkovich)

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Hey that faust guy seems to have pretty good reads!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: February 16, 2022, 12:17:56 pm »

I have faust and fang near the top, Joth and EFHW near the bottom
Situation normal then :)
Would you care to say why I'm near the top?

Faust is less engaged than normal, you are more engaged than usual. If it was situation normal, I’d have EFHW and gkrieg up there
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: February 16, 2022, 12:20:45 pm »

I have faust and fang near the top, Joth and EFHW near the bottom
You mean like, your top scumreads are
- the guy you've been scum with in your most recent (non-Bastard) game
- the guy who was most suspicious of you in your most recent (non-Bastard) game

That sure is... convenient.

Recency bias, for sure.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: February 16, 2022, 12:26:36 pm »

Like, faust, imagine if you will the perfect mafia game played by a team of faust clones. What, exactly, would the discussion consist of. How would the fausts discover the scum!faust in their midst?

I dig this thought experiment
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: February 16, 2022, 12:28:45 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: February 16, 2022, 12:29:57 pm »

Caught up… other thoughts
e is clever!
Joth is funny, and so is faust

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: February 16, 2022, 12:30:39 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

Not quite clever or funny, but a good egg!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: February 16, 2022, 12:48:20 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

I think she might be scum. The last time she townread me, she was scum.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: February 16, 2022, 12:48:27 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

Not quite clever or funny, but a good egg!

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: February 16, 2022, 12:50:43 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?
Well she seems willing to dig in a bit more this game, so I'm looking forward to seeing that.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: February 16, 2022, 12:51:35 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

I think she might be scum. The last time she townread me, she was scum.
Well, she has been scum the last 2 games, so any statement that reads "the last time she did X, she was scum" is pretty likely to be true.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: February 16, 2022, 01:17:20 pm »

I have faust and fang near the top, Joth and EFHW near the bottom
Situation normal then :)
Would you care to say why I'm near the top?

Faust is less engaged than normal, you are more engaged than usual. If it was situation normal, I’d have EFHW and gkrieg up there

I'm not sure what you mean by the last part. Are you saying that you usually townread EFHW and me, but not this game?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: February 16, 2022, 01:17:55 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

I think she might be scum. The last time she townread me, she was scum.

But isn't she scum reading you this time?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: February 16, 2022, 01:22:06 pm »

I have faust and fang near the top, Joth and EFHW near the bottom
Situation normal then :)
Would you care to say why I'm near the top?

Faust is less engaged than normal, you are more engaged than usual. If it was situation normal, I’d have EFHW and gkrieg up there

I'm not sure what you mean by the last part. Are you saying that you usually townread EFHW and me, but not this game?

No, normally I find you’re normal game okay scummy, but I’m not really doing that yet. So, you’re both at the chum end of the list
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: February 16, 2022, 01:22:54 pm »

I have faust and fang near the top, Joth and EFHW near the bottom
Situation normal then :)
Would you care to say why I'm near the top?

Faust is less engaged than normal, you are more engaged than usual. If it was situation normal, I’d have EFHW and gkrieg up there

I'm not sure what you mean by the last part. Are you saying that you usually townread EFHW and me, but not this game?

No, normally I find your normal game kind of  scummy, but I’m not really doing that yet. So, you’re both at the chum end of the list

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: February 16, 2022, 01:24:05 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?
Well she seems willing to dig in a bit more this game, so I'm looking forward to seeing that.

It will sure be more fun for me! The freedom of not being freaking scum again :) it’s so stressful to be careful, careful
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: February 16, 2022, 01:48:11 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

I think she might be scum. The last time she townread me, she was scum.
Well, she has been scum the last 2 games, so any statement that reads "the last time she did X, she was scum" is pretty likely to be true.
This is more like "the last time she did X, which she almost never does otherwise, she was scum."
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: February 16, 2022, 01:48:14 pm »

Caught up… other thoughts
e is clever!
Joth is funny, and so is faust

Ah, see. Didds being friendly. It's enough to warrant a D1 pass from me
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: February 16, 2022, 01:48:49 pm »

What do people think of Didds this game?

I think she might be scum. The last time she townread me, she was scum.

But isn't she scum reading you this time?

That's not how I read it. I guess she has clarified now, in any case.
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