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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1175 on: March 14, 2022, 02:21:25 pm »

End of day yesterday was awful. Sorry guys. But I think some useful stuff did come out of it. I won't share what I think yet, because you're probably sick of me saying what I think after getting the end of day so wrong.

I'm wondering how to understand mathdude exiles going wrong at the last minute. When someone is this hard to exile, it often means they are scum.

This is what bothers me. That is often the case. And it's not the case here. But I'm a very easy misexile for scum to push today.

That means we have an IC double voter right?

How do you figure that?

Could it be a Stump? I don't think I've ever played with that role before, so not sure how it would show up.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1176 on: March 14, 2022, 03:37:11 pm »

To clarify, there are 7 alive, and it takes 4 to exile.

It was crunch time for the green eggs. Well, hopefully not literally. They had to find the red eggs today, or they would soon be outnumbered. To make matters worse, jotheonah, the Hatcher had fallen out of the nest in the night. No longer would he use his beak to crack the other eggs' shells; they would have to do it themselves.

Not voting (8) : EFHW, gkrieg13, infangthief, Jack Rudd, mathdude, Swowl, WestCoastDidds

Day 4 starts now and ends March 21, 2022, 10:00:00 am your time.

Thread unlocked!

I took this to mean that there are 7 alive (as per the correction). Is that not accurate?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1177 on: March 14, 2022, 04:16:33 pm »

Ok. So I'm the double-voter, hatched last night.

Obviously I should actually place a vote at some point before the day ends so no-one can counter-claim on a later day. (Today is the only day I'll be able to prove it.)
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1178 on: March 14, 2022, 06:08:24 pm »

Ok. So I'm the double-voter, hatched last night.

Obviously I should actually place a vote at some point before the day ends so no-one can counter-claim on a later day. (Today is the only day I'll be able to prove it.)

Oh! That’s awesome!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1179 on: March 14, 2022, 07:17:58 pm »

Sorry I fell asleep yall. I came back to hammer before going to bed and saw fangs message to not hammer so I gave it some time and then knocked out.

 
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1180 on: March 14, 2022, 07:19:42 pm »

That being said, fang being double voter is baller because it is essentially impossible for it to be a fake claim.
So we have an IC we can read back on, and also they have 2 votes. thats neat.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1181 on: March 14, 2022, 07:30:02 pm »

Fang had some good points post my fall asleep time I need to go and look into. Will be back.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1182 on: March 14, 2022, 10:47:51 pm »

I suppose from your (or anyone else's) POV, I'm probably the most likely mathdude busser. Especially given my defence here.

So mathdude + gkrieg + me.

But it's not.

So this is where I was at (in theory) yesterday. With a huge huuuuuuge gap between you and Math/GK... but to your point.. from my PoV it kind of had to be you or Galz as the third.

I think it's MiX + joth + X.

More likely than MiX + gkrieg + mathdude.

It is a super good thing that you are essentially confirmed IC rn... bc in between these two posts and you flipping the wagon to MiX... I don't think there would be anything that would of got me to not believe it was GK!Math!Fang. Luckily we are not in that spot. I think. Someone call me out on the IC bit if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure without a counter fang is IC here.


Is it really impossible for me to be town and math to be scum? I ended up not finishing my reread, so I'll default to sheeping you if you think that scenario is truly impossible, fang.

I mean, not impossible, but if mathdude is scum tell me who you think has been bussing mathdude this game? Or, you know, if you are actually town you at least need to think it through even if you don't publicly announce who you think is bussing.

EFHW and Galz. Or imo, one of EFHW/Galz + GK/WCD. I get you don't like the WCD point, but it is possible.


Like I get your points, but I really wish I stuck to my guns yesterday and continued into Math. The counter to your bussing point is that they have consistently been run up and never exiled. And the swing wagons have always been on town.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1183 on: March 14, 2022, 10:49:50 pm »

My best guess is Mix-Joth-Galz team. Swowl is complicating that for me, though.

I am not following this. Could you lay it out for me please?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1184 on: March 14, 2022, 10:54:13 pm »

I'm a doctor and I picked fang, I'm 50% to be weak which is why I'm townreading fang.

Now hammer math.
There are of course ways that scum could know that this is a safe fakeclaim.

Slow kid in the class today I guess... I kind of see one way... though it seems unlikely. Multiple ways I am not seeing.

Which leads me to my question (not directed at fang, but to the others that ended up on MiX).... This claim MiX made makes total damn sense. What was the justification for not getting off of mix after this claim?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1185 on: March 14, 2022, 10:59:25 pm »

would love to hear from math and didds regarding who they think could be skum. preferably in that order.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1186 on: March 15, 2022, 08:18:45 am »

Thank you Swowl, good thoughts.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1187 on: March 15, 2022, 09:33:56 am »

My best guess is Mix-Joth-Galz team. Swowl is complicating that for me, though.

I am not following this. Could you lay it out for me please?

When you showed up, and didn’t hammer after saying you would, along with defending Galz and MiX, it made me think that you were scum buddies with them. So, you were complicating my scum team because it started feeling like you were on it. You and Galz had been is lockstep a couple of different times this game that made me itchy.

I should have paid more attention to time stamps and that you likely went to sleep, but reading it all the next morning, it read as a flurry of activity, a defense of Galz and MiX and then no vote.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1188 on: March 15, 2022, 09:36:05 am »

would love to hear from math and didds regarding who they think could be skum. preferably in that order.

Okay, I’ll wait for math.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1189 on: March 15, 2022, 10:11:59 am »

Honestly, I have no idea where we're at. I have no idea how to convince people I'm not scum. But I'm not, and the game ends today if we can't sort this out.

Fang is the only verifiable role so far. It seems that there are 8 votes, but with 7 players we only need 4 to exile. Is there any other way this works other than a double-voter? And absent a counter-claim, I agree he's our best bet.

Beyond that, I think anyone could still be scum or town. And I'm wary of anyone who has been pushing "based on votes, this person is obviously protecting so-and-so", as that's something scum can definitely set up nightly. Based on votes is a good place to look, but more helpful after a red flip.

But I have no idea about EFHW, gkrieg13, Jack Rudd (Galz), Swowl, or WestCoastDidds. And I'm away for a few days for March Break and on mobile only for now. So I'll try to keep up as best I can.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1190 on: March 15, 2022, 11:09:42 am »

Ok, and Didds?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1191 on: March 15, 2022, 11:12:13 am »

would love to hear from math and didds regarding who they think could be skum. preferably in that order.

Okay, I’ll wait for math.

I’m not sure math helped you at all, Swowl.

My town core is EFHW, Fang, me, and (probably) Swowl. So my scumsters are gkrieg, math, and glazack.  Obviously I was voting for math all day yesterday until I wasn’t (dammit!) so that is not a surprise, and I’ve been wary of the strategic Galz hyperlurk. Jack hasn’t changed my mind about that. Gkrieg is my toss up, as I can isolate anything scummy, but the poe says it’s probably him.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1192 on: March 15, 2022, 12:20:56 pm »

I wish I could be of more help to anyone here, but I appear to have taken over a position that has done nothing and learned no hidden information, so I have to do things based purely on my ability to read other players. Which is, let's face it, not exactly world-class.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1193 on: March 15, 2022, 12:29:24 pm »

We appreciate you being here, Jack!
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1194 on: March 15, 2022, 12:36:44 pm »

I have a deadline on Thursday, then a friend coming into town Friday. I will not be around too much.

Would go for Didds or Jack at this point. I'm glad fang is our IC.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1195 on: March 15, 2022, 01:03:31 pm »

I have a deadline on Thursday, then a friend coming into town Friday. I will not be around too much.

Would go for Didds or Jack at this point. I'm glad fang is our IC.

Ok, with many people still putting me on top of their scum list, gkrieg why are you still not wanting to vote for me? Is there anything more than a D1 or D2 gut feel? Or did you just pick a read and stick with it all game for consistency?

I'm ready to vote gkrieg unless he has a valid reason to town-read me against the majority all game.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1196 on: March 15, 2022, 02:06:12 pm »

I have a deadline on Thursday, then a friend coming into town Friday. I will not be around too much.

Would go for Didds or Jack at this point. I'm glad fang is our IC.

Ok, with many people still putting me on top of their scum list, gkrieg why are you still not wanting to vote for me? Is there anything more than a D1 or D2 gut feel? Or did you just pick a read and stick with it all game for consistency?

I'm ready to vote gkrieg unless he has a valid reason to town-read me against the majority all game.

Not against the majority, or you would have been exiled. But this is a great question. I'm eager to hear the answer.

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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1197 on: March 15, 2022, 06:20:34 pm »

I wish I could be of more help to anyone here, but I appear to have taken over a position that has done nothing and learned no hidden information, so I have to do things based purely on my ability to read other players. Which is, let's face it, not exactly world-class.
Where would you like to have been voting each end-of-day so far?
Would you have changed any of the exiles we've had so far?
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1198 on: March 15, 2022, 06:27:13 pm »

Also, I think most of us probably don't have any hidden information either - all we've got really is reads. The advantage we've had over you is we've been able to ask questions and do stuff to see what reactions it gets. So feel free to ask away and see what you can get out of people, especially based on anything they've said.

Sorry if this is all obvious, I don't know how much you've played mafia here. Actually that would be a good thing to know - how much have you played mafia, and how much with the people in this game? I know I've not been in a game with you before.
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Re: M137: Hatchling Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1199 on: March 15, 2022, 06:28:08 pm »

Oh, and another thing it would be good to know, was Galzria scum?
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