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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2022, 06:15:06 pm »
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Based on the following image that shows all the 2E cards in the rulebook, it can be deduced which cards have been removed:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6638068/dominion-seaside

The removed cards are: Ambassador, Embargo, Explorer, Ghost Ship, Navigator, Pearl Diver, Pirate Ship, Sea Hag
And the new cards include 2 (white) action cards and 7 duraction cards
The removal of Embargo and Pirate Ship means that 2E comes without any tokens. But the rule book still shows the Island and Native Village mats.

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/t6ehij/navigator_removed_in_seaside_2e_confirmed/hzbnjxa/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I've downloaded the ASS Handelskatalog which is given as a source for the BGG image, but it shows another Seaside rulebook image on p. 96 than the BGG image does. I can quite clearly identify Ambassador, Pirate Ship and Sea Hag on the right-hand side of the ASS Handelskatalog rulebook. So I would wait for a more reliable source of the list of removed cards...

Thatís an image of the first edition, though (with only 26 kingdom piles).
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2022, 06:46:19 pm »
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Based on the following image that shows all the 2E cards in the rulebook, it can be deduced which cards have been removed:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6638068/dominion-seaside
Ö
And the new cards include 2 (white) action cards and 7 duraction cards
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Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/t6ehij/navigator_removed_in_seaside_2e_confirmed/hzbnjxa/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Iím not sure I agree. There seems to be 10 white action cards and 14 orange duraction cards in total. I think the three cards on the pictured right hand side of the rulebook are Island (at the top), a yellow treasure card and a blue reaction card. The rulebook seems to group the cards by color.
If Iím correct, the nine new cards should be 1 white action card, 6 orange durations cards, 1 yellow treasure card and 1 blue reaction card.
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2022, 04:11:01 am »
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Based on the following image that shows all the 2E cards in the rulebook, it can be deduced which cards have been removed:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6638068/dominion-seaside

The removed cards are: Ambassador, Embargo, Explorer, Ghost Ship, Navigator, Pearl Diver, Pirate Ship, Sea Hag
And the new cards include 2 (white) action cards and 7 duraction cards
The removal of Embargo and Pirate Ship means that 2E comes without any tokens. But the rule book still shows the Island and Native Village mats.

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/t6ehij/navigator_removed_in_seaside_2e_confirmed/hzbnjxa/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I've downloaded the ASS Handelskatalog which is given as a source for the BGG image, but it shows another Seaside rulebook image on p. 96 than the BGG image does. I can quite clearly identify Ambassador, Pirate Ship and Sea Hag on the right-hand side of the ASS Handelskatalog rulebook. So I would wait for a more reliable source of the list of removed cards...

Thatís an image of the first edition, though (with only 26 kingdom piles).

I suppose you're right. The German text in the ASS catalogue also doesn't mention replaced cards, unlike the text in the BGG image.

But it's still strange that the BGG image is different from the one in the so-called source. It's conceivable that ASS changed its trading catalogue since January without changing its URL, but why would they revert the image from 2nd edition Seaside to 1st edition?  ???
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #78 on: March 07, 2022, 09:06:49 am »
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Based on the following image that shows all the 2E cards in the rulebook, it can be deduced which cards have been removed:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6638068/dominion-seaside

The removed cards are: Ambassador, Embargo, Explorer, Ghost Ship, Navigator, Pearl Diver, Pirate Ship, Sea Hag
And the new cards include 2 (white) action cards and 7 duraction cards
The removal of Embargo and Pirate Ship means that 2E comes without any tokens. But the rule book still shows the Island and Native Village mats.

Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/t6ehij/navigator_removed_in_seaside_2e_confirmed/hzbnjxa/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I've downloaded the ASS Handelskatalog which is given as a source for the BGG image, but it shows another Seaside rulebook image on p. 96 than the BGG image does. I can quite clearly identify Ambassador, Pirate Ship and Sea Hag on the right-hand side of the ASS Handelskatalog rulebook. So I would wait for a more reliable source of the list of removed cards...

Thatís an image of the first edition, though (with only 26 kingdom piles).

I suppose you're right. The German text in the ASS catalogue also doesn't mention replaced cards, unlike the text in the BGG image.

But it's still strange that the BGG image is different from the one in the so-called source. It's conceivable that ASS changed its trading catalogue since January without changing its URL, but why would they revert the image from 2nd edition Seaside to 1st edition?  ???

Iím not in the know, but my guess is that someone, perhaps Rio Grande Games, reacted to the fact that the catalogue spoiled their coming release and demanded that the catalogue was reverted back to itís former state. The BGG image also mentions that this is the 2nd edition, while stating that the 1st edition is sold out. Thereís no mention of any editions in the current catalogue, just that Seasideís available again in April after being temporarily out of stock.

I think the BGG image is legit, and Iím both a bit saddened and very enthused by the news. Some personal favorites are removed, but Iím thrilled to see what they come up with of new cards. Only one attack card remains, and Cutpurse is definitely not the strongest one. If Iím correct in assuming that weíll finally get a reaction card in this set, having just Cutpurse as an attack card seems very strange.

Even though Iím sad to see a couple of cool cards go, I think the most important thing to keep the game vibrant and strong is to refine balance and cut down on time-consuming actions or difficult wordings.
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #79 on: March 07, 2022, 11:44:18 am »
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I'm amazed if it's really true that Ambassador and Ghost Ship are being excised. Both are strong, unique, fun and interesting cards, and I haven't heard many people criticize them.

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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #80 on: March 07, 2022, 07:02:39 pm »
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I'm amazed if it's really true that Ambassador and Ghost Ship are being excised. Both are strong, unique, fun and interesting cards, and I haven't heard many people criticize them.

Nothing fun about Ghost Ship imo. good riddance.

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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #81 on: March 07, 2022, 07:03:48 pm »
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I'm amazed if it's really true that Ambassador and Ghost Ship are being excised. Both are strong, unique, fun and interesting cards, and I haven't heard many people criticize them.

Nothing fun about Ghost Ship imo. good riddance.

pff you guys have fun when you play dominion?
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #82 on: March 07, 2022, 08:03:41 pm »
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I am very satisfied with the cards removed.
- Lookout is not removed. This was my favorite card from this expansion.
- Ghost Ship was very unbalanced. I suspected that this card would go away.
- Ambassador was slowing down the game. the creator had already said so. He didn't like this card.
- I think we will have better cards instead of the other removed cards.


I hope there will be a French translation again. The latest translated expansion is Adventure... :(
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #83 on: March 07, 2022, 10:38:24 pm »
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Although itís possible that the photo is legitimate, Iím still going to wait until Donald releases the information on what was removed. And what was added. Until Donald releases the information Iím not going to assume those are the cards going. Although I am a little surprised to see ghost ship and ambassador kicking the bucket if that photo is legitimate. And I wouldnít mind seeing those both go as long as they added a couple of new attack cards. Considering that are so many new attack cards in the dominion Allies expansion, itís not unreasonable to assume they add more attack cards to seaside, especially if cutpurse is the only one that survives. It makes lighthouse almost obsolete if cutpurse is the only attack card.

Renaissance has at least 2, guilds and alchemy only had 2 each. Prosperity and empires and hinterlands have 3 each. Cornucopia and intrigue and menagerie and seaside currently have 4 each. Nocturne has 6.  Adventures technically has 7. And Allies has at least 7 attacks from what the teaser said. With dark ages having the most attack cards. If you include the knights, one of which is two attacks. Itís at least 8 attack cards. If you still count the knights as one attack card they still have 7 attack cards. Now of course Iím including cards that have attack In the name. Iím not including possession or Iíll gotten gains for instance. Still with alchemy and guilds being the smallest expansions they at least have 2 attack cards. Which means itís reasonable too assume they will add at least one new attack card to seaside. Especially if only cutpurse survives. Still Iím going to wait until Donald announces the cards removed and the new cards added.
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #84 on: March 08, 2022, 06:18:04 am »
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Although itís possible that the photo is legitimate, Iím still going to wait until Donald releases the information on what was removed. And what was added. Until Donald releases the information Iím not going to assume those are the cards going. Although I am a little surprised to see ghost ship and ambassador kicking the bucket if that photo is legitimate. And I wouldnít mind seeing those both go as long as they added a couple of new attack cards.

Yes, it would be surprising if Donald now removed strong cards. The cards removed from base game and Intrigue were mostly very weak and rarely bought, after all. OTOH, there aren't 8 super-weak cards in Seaside, it was already much more balanced than base game 1st edition.

If Ambassador is removed, I would like Donald to add a similar but more balanced version of the concept. E.g. increasing the price to $4 and letting it trash cards instead of returning them to the supply would already greatly reduce the "Estate tennis" at the start of the game...
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2022, 06:53:16 am »
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Although itís possible that the photo is legitimate, Iím still going to wait until Donald releases the information on what was removed. And what was added. Until Donald releases the information Iím not going to assume those are the cards going. Although I am a little surprised to see ghost ship and ambassador kicking the bucket if that photo is legitimate. And I wouldnít mind seeing those both go as long as they added a couple of new attack cards. Considering that are so many new attack cards in the dominion Allies expansion, itís not unreasonable to assume they add more attack cards to seaside, especially if cutpurse is the only one that survives. It makes lighthouse almost obsolete if cutpurse is the only attack card.

Renaissance has at least 2, guilds and alchemy only had 2 each. Prosperity and empires and hinterlands have 3 each. Cornucopia and intrigue and menagerie and seaside currently have 4 each. Nocturne has 6.  Adventures technically has 7. And Allies has at least 7 attacks from what the teaser said. With dark ages having the most attack cards. If you include the knights, one of which is two attacks. Itís at least 8 attack cards. If you still count the knights as one attack card they still have 7 attack cards. Now of course Iím including cards that have attack In the name. Iím not including possession or Iíll gotten gains for instance. Still with alchemy and guilds being the smallest expansions they at least have 2 attack cards. Which means itís reasonable too assume they will add at least one new attack card to seaside. Especially if only cutpurse survives. Still Iím going to wait until Donald announces the cards removed and the new cards added.

Would be nice to do thisÖ
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2022, 09:05:28 am »
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Would be nice to do thisÖ

Why hide removed cards?
I did it. But I don't know why. ^^'
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2022, 09:17:12 am »
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Would be nice to do thisÖ

Why hide removed cards?
I did it. But I don't know why. ^^'

Itís a spoiler. People might want to join in on the conversation about Seaside 2E and speculating without necessarily wanting to know the specifics before the official release. I didnít mean to be singling anyone out, I just felt that they didnít consider this aspect, but I see now that my post may have appeared to be a bit rude. That wasnít my intention, so Iím sorry. :) I know we donít know the authenticity of the image for sure, but itís probably the best source we have until the official announcement(s).
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2022, 07:09:38 am »
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It seems that there was another leak on the website of ASS Altenburger on Thursday here: https://www.spielkarten.com/uncategorized/dominion-seaside-2-edition/
Link to the image file in full size: https://www.spielkarten.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NP22111_SM_Dominion_HPNews_Sea_1080x1080.jpg

Three existing cards are confirmed.
Wharf, Native Village, Island

Two new cards were revealed.

Piratin (female form of Pirate)                                   
Type: Action - Duration - Reaction                         
Cost: unknown (covered by another card)
(Card text undecipherable, probably something with         
Zu Beginn deines Zuges nimm dir eine Geldkarte, die bis zu $6 kostet auf deinen Nachziehstapel.
(At the begin of your turn gain a Treasure card costing up to $6 on top of your deck.))
---
?? (Second part undecipherable)                   

-------------------------------------------------------

?? (Name undecipherable)               
Type: Treasure - Duration                     
Cost: $3                     
(Card text undecipherable, probably: Jetzt und zu Beginn deines nšchsten Zuges. / Now and at the begin of your next turn.)
1 $         
+1 Buy                                   
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2022, 08:42:22 am »
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The second one is a Treasure-Duration, which is cool.

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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #90 on: March 20, 2022, 12:14:49 pm »
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The second one is a Treasure-Duration, which is cool.
I guess, that card will be the replacement for Lighthouse            .
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2022, 05:51:46 pm »
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As someone who hasn't played much since the iso era, hearing that Ambassador might be gone makes me a little sad. It was one of the most interesting and game-defining cards of that era. Learning that returning two coppers is better than returning one estate was for me a highly counter-intuitive insight (despite knowing it's good to trash coppers in general).

It also would typically transform games into highly interactive tug-of-wars, which has the merit of being different from the usual way games would play out, which was good for variety. Though that might have been partly because it fit two important roles (trasher and junker) into a single kingdom slot, which was more important when dud cards were more frequent.
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Re: Seaside 2E Announced
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2022, 06:44:25 pm »
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It seems that there was another leak on the website of ASS Altenburger on Thursday here: https://www.spielkarten.com/uncategorized/dominion-seaside-2-edition/
Link to the image file in full size: https://www.spielkarten.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NP22111_SM_Dominion_HPNews_Sea_1080x1080.jpg

Three existing cards are confirmed.
Wharf, Native Village, Island

Two new cards were revealed.

Piratin (female form of Pirate)                                   
Type: Action - Duration - Reaction                         
Cost: unknown (covered by another card)
(Card text undecipherable, probably something with         
Zu Beginn deines Zuges nimm dir eine Geldkarte, die bis zu $6 kostet auf deinen Nachziehstapel.
(At the begin of your turn gain a Treasure card costing up to $6 on top of your deck.))
---
?? (Second part undecipherable)                   

-------------------------------------------------------

?? (Name undecipherable)               
Type: Treasure - Duration                     
Cost: $3                     
(Card text undecipherable, probably: Jetzt und zu Beginn deines nšchsten Zuges. / Now and at the begin of your next turn.)
1 $         
+1 Buy                                   


Even though both these cards are durations, it seems like I was correct in suggesting that this set will finally have both a treasure and a reaction. Iím looking so forward to this updated set!
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