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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2021, 10:19:33 am »
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Up until now no card shaped thing has the same name as its expanion and the card Menagerie is from Cornucopia. I doubt Allies will show up in Allies.


Allies is the 14th expansion to Dominion. It has 400 cards, with 31 new Kingdom card piles. There are Allies that will do Favors for you, and split piles you can rotate.

Functionality blurb: "This is the 13th expansion to Dominion. It has 400 cards, with 30 new Kingdom cards. There are Horses that save a draw for later, Exile mats that cards can be sent to and rescued from, and Ways that give Actions another option. Events return."

I'd speculate that Allies might be a type and not the actual name of a card.

That seems very likely to me. On the other hand favors could also be the new type, specific to this expansion.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2021, 05:45:31 am »
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Coins (to account for whatever mechanic) return! The German publisher at their best...
I can't really figure out any names though, nor the expansion icon. But the weird purple strawberry art of that Treasure-Something bugs me (it doesn't look like its a Treasure-Attack at least).
https://www.facebook.com/dominionwelt/posts/4699312943421501
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2021, 07:16:56 am »
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Coins (to account for whatever mechanic) return! The German publisher at their best...
I can't really figure out any names though, nor the expansion icon. But the weird purple strawberry art of that Treasure-Something bugs me (it doesn't look like its a Treasure-Attack at least).
https://www.facebook.com/dominionwelt/posts/4699312943421501

So the expansion title is translated to German this time ("Verbündete"), after the last four expansion titles kept their English names in the German versions. (While "Renaissance" is the same word in German, the other three titles aren't.)

I don't like this inconsistent approach, it's very inelegant IMO. The first German publisher Hans im Glück also flip-flopped between translating and not translating the titles, keeping "Dominion" itself, "Seaside" and "Dark Ages" in English, but translating the other expansion titles. ::)
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2021, 03:31:57 am »
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So the expansion title is translated to German this time ("Verbündete"), after the last four expansion titles kept their English names in the German versions. (While "Renaissance" is the same word in German, the other three titles aren't.)

I don't like this inconsistent approach, it's very inelegant IMO. The first German publisher Hans im Glück also flip-flopped between translating and not translating the titles, keeping "Dominion" itself, "Seaside" and "Dark Ages" in English, but translating the other expansion titles. ::)

rough translatation of (part of) answer by ASS Altenburger to similar complain in German forum: Basically we try to translate the titles, but if the English one fits or sounds good or we couldn't find a really nice translation or a catchy match, we stick with the English one. (supported by several users)

EDIT: by the way Nocturne and Menagerie one can find in any German dictionary, same spelling!
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2021, 02:19:02 pm »
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So the expansion title is translated to German this time ("Verbündete"), after the last four expansion titles kept their English names in the German versions. (While "Renaissance" is the same word in German, the other three titles aren't.)

I don't like this inconsistent approach, it's very inelegant IMO. The first German publisher Hans im Glück also flip-flopped between translating and not translating the titles, keeping "Dominion" itself, "Seaside" and "Dark Ages" in English, but translating the other expansion titles. ::)

rough translatation of (part of) answer by ASS Altenburger to similar complain in German forum: Basically we try to translate the titles, but if the English one fits or sounds good or we couldn't find a really nice translation or a catchy match, we stick with the English one. (supported by several users)

EDIT: by the way Nocturne and Menagerie one can find in any German dictionary, same spelling!

Okay, I didn't know that. I'm a German native speaker, but I don't think I've ever heard either of the two words being actually used in German.
FWIW, duden.de notes that the word "Menagerie" is becoming outdated ("veraltend"), and "Nocturne" only refers to music compositions in German. I'd say this meaning is completely unrelated to the expansion's theme -- but then it seems also to be the main meaning of nocturne in English... ???

Either way, thanks for linking to ASS' statement!
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2021, 06:12:19 pm »
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Yeah, "nocturne" also only refers to music in English, but I have zero regrets about the name. I think it really evokes the dark fantasy theme of the set more than the runners up, like "Fairy Tales" or "Fables".
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2021, 04:39:33 pm »
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Is Allies going to deliver this month as planned, or are the supply chain issues playing havoc with it like so many other games?
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2021, 01:51:51 pm »
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Is Allies going to deliver this month as planned, or are the supply chain issues playing havoc with it like so many other games?
For months now I can only repeat, that we won't know when it will come out until it's printed (in "early December"). I have never expected it this month, but we can't rule out this month until it's printed. It's early December but we do not know yet.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2021, 05:37:23 pm »
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Are there any plans for previews?
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2021, 10:10:38 pm »
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Are there any plans for previews?

Sooo, what about the preview schedule? :)
When the expansion is printed ("early December"), we'll have a better idea of when it will get to stores, which will determine when the previews are.

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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2021, 08:59:22 am »
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Looks like Dutch website leaking some previews too early: https://www.999games.nl/dominion-bondgenoten-kaartspel.html
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2021, 12:45:54 pm »
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So there is a Treasure Duration which is cool as I never got the arguments against this type anyway.

The only argument I remember hearing against it is that there were way more things that remove treasures from play than there are things that remove actions from play, and removing durations from play in general is bad.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2021, 12:48:33 pm »
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Google says that "dienst" means "shift". So some cards give you a new thing called "shifts" or some other more appropriate English word. These things have less value than a , as seen by the cantrip only costing .
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2021, 01:06:34 pm »
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Google says that "dienst" means "shift". So some cards give you a new thing called "shifts" or some other more appropriate English word. These things have less value than a , as seen by the cantrip only costing .
pretty sure that's an idiomatic translation of 'Favor'.

edit: reddit delivers:
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- Allies are special cards not in the supply
- Allies have actions that can be bought with 'service' tokens
- Other kingdom cards give these 'service' tokens
- 250 kingdom cards, 23 Allies,

- Royal Galley: +1 card, you may play a card from your hand. Put it aside; if you did, play it at the start of your next turn.
- Specialist: You may play an action or money card from you hand. Choice one of the following: Play the card again; or take one copy of it from the supply.
- Subordinate: +1 card, +1 action, +1 favor (I think those are the new tokens, like coffers)
- Woodworker: No empty supply piles: +1 action and take a card worth max 4. Else: thrash a card from your hand and take a card costing max 2 more.
- Contract: 2 money, +1 favor, you may set aside one card from your hand and play it at the start of your next turn.
- Art museum: +3, this turn: if you take a card costing 3 or 4 more (more than what? i don't quite get) then +1 buy
- Importer: At the start of your next turn: take a card costing max 5. Preperation: every player gets +4 favors
- Marquis: +1 buy, +1 card per card in your hand. Then discard down to 10 cards in your hand.
- Barbarian: +2 money, Every player thrashes the top card of their deck. If it costs 3 or more than the player takes a cards costing less. But it has to share a type with the thrashed card otherwise they take a curse.
- christmas ball?: choice 2 different options: +1 buy; +1 money; +1 favor. If you take a card this turn, then you may put it on top of your draw pile
- city state: If you take an action card during your turn, then you may pay 2 favors to play it.
- Gang of pickpockets: At the start of your turn discard down to 4 cards unless you pay 1 favor.
- Astrology order: When shuffling your discard pile you may pay 1 favor per card and put those on top of your draw pile
- Costal harbour: When discarding cards in cleanup you may pay 1 favor per card to keep those for your next turn. Still draw 5 new cards.
- Bankers' association: +1 money per 4 favor you own. Rounded down
[ sic ] on that whole quote, i'm sure there's a closer translation to en.dominionese that exists.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2021, 02:29:17 pm »
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The printer has delayed printing Allies until late January. We hope for it to come out in February though shipping is fickle in this day and age.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2021, 02:57:25 pm »
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Well, I'm Dutch, so I can fully understand what these cards do. It seems that this expansion introduces a new "Liaison" type. Whenever one of the Kingdom cards has that type, one of these beige landscapes will be added to the kingdom. These horizontals cooperate with the Favors you have. Sometimes, they provide an effect you can get by spending Favors, but that is not always the case. Looks very interesting.

EDIT: Spineflu beated be to it, but I can provide a cleaner layout.

Royal Galley ($4, Action - Duration)
+1 Card
You may play an non-Duration Action card from your hand. Set it aside; if you did, play it again at the start of your next turn.

Specialist ($5, Action)
You may play an Action or Treasure from your hand. Choose: play it again, or gain a copy of it.

Subordinate ($3, Action - Liaison)
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Favor

Woodworker ($4, Action)
If none of the Supply piles are empty, +1 Action and gain a card costing up to $4. Otherwise, trash a card from your hand and gain a card costing up to $2 more than it.

Contract ($5, Treasure - Duration - Liaison)
+$2
+1 Favor
You may set aside an Action card from your hand, to play it at the start of your next turn.

Art Museum ($5, Action)
+$3
This turn: if you gain a card costing $3 or $4 more, +1 Buy (This seems messed up)

Importer ($3, Action - Liaison)
At the start of your next turn, gain a card costing up to $5.
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Setup: Each player gets +4 Favors

Marquis ($6, Action)
+1 Buy
+1 Card per card in your hand. Discard down to 10 cards in hand.

Barbarian ($5, Action - Attack)
+$2
Each other player trashes the top card of their deck, gains a cheaper card that shares a type with it if it costs $3 or higher, and gains a Curse otherwise.

Christmas Ball ($2, Treasure - Liaison)
Choose 2 different: +$1; +1 Buy; +1 Favor; This turn, when you gain a card, you may put it on top of your deck.

And the Landscapes are:

City State
When you gain an Action card during your turn, you may spend 2 Favors to play it.

Gang of Pickpockets
At the start of your turn, you may spend a Favor. If you don't, discard down to 4 cards.

Astrology order
When you shuffle, for every Favor you spend, pick one of the cards to go on top.

Costal Harbor
During clean-up, you may spend any number of Favors, to keep that amount of cards from your hand for your next turn. (you still draw 5 afterwards)

Banker's Association
At start of the Buy phase, +$1 per 4 Favors you have.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2021, 04:09:46 pm »
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Art Museum makes more sense dropping the word 'more' (meer in Dutch)

"Christmas Ball" has a picture of an Ornament, which makes sense as a treasure card.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2021, 04:26:53 pm »
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As a fan of Temporum, it's exciting to see Gang of Pickpockets as a card in Dominion. Though shame it's effect isn't that you get to draw a card whenever you play a card. (I know, this would be extremely broken and impossible to balance; Pathfinding except for every action pile at once).
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2021, 03:13:48 am »
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I do appreciate the fact that Art Museum gets leaked in Dutch first.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2021, 10:37:54 am »
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I do appreciate the fact that Art Museum gets leaked in Dutch first.

Except that name is a big mistranslation. It's not an art museum, or a museum of any sort.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2021, 12:56:13 pm »
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It appears the page has been taken down as well.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2021, 12:12:05 pm »
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Well at least, we got some very interesting and deeper informations about the general setting and gameplay tone of that extension. I really look forward to try the feeling of the announced cards.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2021, 05:37:08 pm »
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I personally like barbarian, finally an attack card that trashes provinces that stay trashed, or I mean not gained again. For someone who never got to play with saboteur, this is awesome. And it’s a useful attack card for weaker cards too because then they gain a curse. And it’s not all bad if they lose a province they get a duchy in its place better than no victory card at all.

But I’m sure I’m in the minority when it comes to enjoying attack cards.
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2021, 12:22:11 am »
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I personally like barbarian, finally an attack card that trashes provinces that stay trashed, or I mean not gained again. For someone who never got to play with saboteur, this is awesome. And it’s a useful attack card for weaker cards too because then they gain a curse. And it’s not all bad if they lose a province they get a duchy in its place better than no victory card at all
Essentially just the Locusts hex from Doom attack cards
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Re: Dominion: Allies
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2021, 10:51:08 am »
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Yeah except you’ll get to use it’s affect way more often, than how often locusts affected players. Which increases the chances a province gets trashed. So a very take that attack card, if you like that sorta thing. (Which I do )
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