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Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« on: August 23, 2021, 11:02:33 am »
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Contest #126: Seeking an Heir

Design a card that uses the following Heirloom:



As in the last contest I hosted, please do not submit any cards you've previously posted on the forums. Also as before, my judging criteria will focus on balance, playability, fun, and creativity.

A couple of important notes: You'll notice that the Heirloom does not have a name; this is to avoid narrowing the namespace for submissions. Please give the Heirloom a name along with your submission. Lastly, feel free to give the Heirloom a different cost than the cost I chose; it's probably not super important for balance (depending on your submission, of course), but I'll assume it costs for all entries unless otherwise specified.

Without any further ado, good luck and have fun designing!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2021, 12:52:35 pm »
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Pretty quick entry this time, but I am feeling inspired, soooo... here we go!

     

Spectacle, played after Fireworks, allows you to pull some neat tricks. For instance... Workshopping more Spectacles! Or if you've drawn deck, then you can "gain and play" the card(s) you bought this turn.

Spectacle might be too strong, idk. I briefly considered giving it a cost. Anyway, lemme know if it's too powerful or something.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2021, 01:02:00 pm »
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I don’t think that it is too strong. I doubt that the situations in which this shines, i.e. the already mentioned Workshops, draw-to-X and „Smithy before Village“, occur that more often than situations in which this sucks relative to Workers Village (Thrones, Actions like Scrying Pool, Herald and so on that want a high Action density) to justify a higher price / lower strength.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2021, 01:05:57 pm »
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Pretty quick entry this time, but I am feeling inspired, soooo... here we go!

     

Spectacle, played after Fireworks, allows you to pull some neat tricks. For instance... Workshopping more Spectacles! Or if you've drawn deck, then you can "gain and play" the card(s) you bought this turn.

Spectacle might be too strong, idk. I briefly considered giving it a cost. Anyway, lemme know if it's too powerful or something.

Fireworks doesn't need the big . See current HoP:
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2021, 01:13:19 pm »
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Yeah, the big is mostly a lil' thing I like to do. I know non- yielding Treasures don't need it, but idk. I enjoy seeing that big fat on Treasure cards. A quick reminder that you're not getting straight from it. It's mostly a personal thing, I'll admit.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2021, 03:17:16 pm »
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Yeah, the big is mostly a lil' thing I like to do. I know non- yielding Treasures don't need it, but idk. I enjoy seeing that big fat on Treasure cards. A quick reminder that you're not getting straight from it. It's mostly a personal thing, I'll admit.

Fair enough; it matters a lot less for this Treasure since it isn't a wall of text like HoP is.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2021, 07:10:06 pm »
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Port Clerk - $5
Action
+1 Buy
This turn, when you play a Treasure you didn't have a copy of in play, +$1.

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Quill - $3
Treasure - Heirloom
Cards cost $1 less this turn.

Port Clerk is a terminal super Merchant. The money from a Port Clerk can scale pretty quickly with additional Treasures in the Kingdom and with things like Counterfeit, so I think the $5 cost is warranted. Not sure if the sentence structure for Port Clerk is correct. Feedback is appreciated.

Edit: Updated text for Port Clerk.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2021, 09:11:29 pm »
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Port Clerk - $5
Action
+1 Buy
When you play a Treasure card this turn that you don't have a copy of in play, +$1.

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Quill - $3
Treasure - Heirloom
Cards cost $1 less this turn.

Port Clerk is a terminal super Merchant. The money from a Port Clerk can scale pretty quickly with additional Treasures in the Kingdom and with things like Counterfeit, so I think the $5 cost is warranted. Not sure if the sentence structure for Port Clerk is correct. Feedback is appreciated.

I think it would read more cleanly if "this turn" came first, like so:
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This turn, when you play a Treasure you didn't have a copy of in play, +.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2021, 09:15:45 pm »
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I think it would read more cleanly if "this turn" came first, like so:
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This turn, when you play a Treasure you didn't have a copy of in play, +.

That is much better! Thanks!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2021, 10:46:57 pm »
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Pretty quick entry this time, but I am feeling inspired, soooo... here we go!

     

Spectacle, played after Fireworks, allows you to pull some neat tricks. For instance... Workshopping more Spectacles! Or if you've drawn deck, then you can "gain and play" the card(s) you bought this turn.

Spectacle might be too strong, idk. I briefly considered giving it a cost. Anyway, lemme know if it's too powerful or something.

Is the "if it's your turn" really needed?  There are ways to play Action cards on another person's turn, but I can't think of any ways you can play a Night card
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2021, 11:11:45 pm »
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Here's my entry for this week. Road is a cheap cantrip that along with your other Roads allows you to gain a single card per turn with a variable cost based on how many Roads you got into play that turn. With just one in play, you can usually only gain a Copper, but if you collide it with your Shortcut, you can gain another Road. Later, you can chain together more to gain an engine piece or even a Province if you have a long enough Road. The Shortcut essentially stands in as another Road, along with some of the usual cost reduction shenanigans.

*Edit: changed "When you discard this from play" to "At the end of your Buy phase"
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2021, 01:27:35 am »
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Here's my entry for this week. Road is a cheap cantrip that along with your other Roads allows you to gain a single card per turn with a variable cost based on how many Roads you got into play that turn (I think the "Once per turn" language correctly achieves this effect, but let me know if it doesn't). With just one in play, you can usually only gain a Copper, but if you collide it with your Shortcut, you can gain another Road. Later, you can chain together more to gain an engine piece or even a Province if you have a long enough Road. The Shortcut essentially stands in as another Road, along with some of the usual cost reduction shenanigans.

You only discard "this" once per turn anyway, so I don't think this wording quite works. I'd suggest this wording:
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+1 Card
+1 Action

Once per turn, when you discard a Road from play...

Also, important question: Is it intentional that playing 3 roads gains you a (because it triggers after the discard)?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2021, 01:52:35 am »
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I'm just thinking about the design space for this contest, to get my own creative juices flowing and hopefully this inspires other people as well.

Obviously the card has to interact with the heirloom to be interesting so it has to both:
(1) do something that cares about cost
(2) do that after a treasure is played.

All current submissions do this.
Spectacle gives a buy(1), and is a night (2) that can bring you back to Action/Buy phase.
Port Clerk gives a buy(1) which comes into affect for the (2) buy phase. Port Clerk also cares about unique treasures
Road gains a card per cost (1) which comes into affect during cleanup (2 -- happens after treasures are played)

ideas for option 1:
Gain a card costing up to X, +Buy, Trash for benefit*, Remodel/Upgrade*, Discard for Benefit*, Attack: other players Trash/Discard a card costing at least X  (to be sensible probably have a max as well), do something if the cost of a revealed card is exactly X.
* These all can get worse with cost-reduction, of course.

ideas for option 2:
Make it a Treasure Card, make it a Night Card, make it a Reserve Card that can be called later, make it an Action that has a trigger later (like Road's on-discard-from-play), make it an Action card that gives out a State that does something at end of Buy Phase, make it a card with the ability to play Treasure cards not during the Buy Phase



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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2021, 01:54:25 am »
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Here's my entry for this week. Road is a cheap cantrip that along with your other Roads allows you to gain a single card per turn with a variable cost based on how many Roads you got into play that turn (I think the "Once per turn" language correctly achieves this effect, but let me know if it doesn't). With just one in play, you can usually only gain a Copper, but if you collide it with your Shortcut, you can gain another Road. Later, you can chain together more to gain an engine piece or even a Province if you have a long enough Road. The Shortcut essentially stands in as another Road, along with some of the usual cost reduction shenanigans.

You only discard "this" once per turn anyway, so I don't think this wording quite works. I'd suggest this wording:
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+1 Card
+1 Action

Once per turn, when you discard a Road from play...

Also, important question: Is it intentional that playing 3 roads gains you a (because it triggers after the discard)?

You can use the wording "once per turn: at the end of your Buy Phase" to solve this.
End of Buy Phase happens before start of clean up, so 3 roads are still in play and you'd gain a card costing up to $3 (or $4 with a shortcut in play)
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2021, 03:06:36 am »
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Bridgestone
cost $3 - Action
+1 Action
+$1
+2 Buys
Heirloom: Stone

Stone
cost $3 - Treasure
Cards cost $1 less this turn.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2021, 04:34:06 am »
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Night Drive - $5
Night

Trash a card you have in play.
Gain a Horse per $1 it costs.
Heirloom: Carriage
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2021, 07:39:24 am »
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Night Drive - $5
Night

Trash a card you have in play.
Gain a Horse per $1 it costs.
Heirloom: Carriage
That is anti synergy?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2021, 07:48:28 am »
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Royal Signet $4
Treasure
+1 buy
You may play an treasure card from your hand twice.
Heirloom: Weighted Coin

Weighted Coin $2
Treasure
Cards cost 1 less this turn

Applications:
- An opening to get your strategy going. (silver + royal signet you can get something going)
- An source of +buys, if you need one.
- Big money
- Engine deck where you copy the most valuable treasure every time. If you combine 2 of them with an platinum and weighted coin it with the weighted coin you can make an sudden pile drive when needed.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2021, 07:59:26 am »
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Night Drive - $5
Night

Trash a card you have in play.
Gain a Horse per $1 it costs.
Heirloom: Carriage
That is anti synergy?
Indeed; this is intentional. Pooka and Cursed Gold also anti-synergize.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2021, 08:48:50 am »
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Is the "if it's your turn" really needed?  There are ways to play Action cards on another person's turn, but I can't think of any ways you can play a Night card

Future proofing, mostly. :)

I almost posted a version without that condition, but I think it's still quite elegant with it anyway. We never can be too sure with Donald X!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2021, 09:36:55 am »
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Lightning Rod
cost $4 - Action-Attack-Reaction
+1 Card
+1 Buy
Choose one: +1 Coffers; or +$1 and each other player takes their -$1 token.
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When any player plays a Lightning, you may play this from your hand.
Heirloom: Lightning

Lightning
cost $3 - Treasure-Heirloom
Cards cost $1 less this turn.

Not sure if being able to react ti your own Lightning makes this too strong. If so, should I raise cost to $5? Or just let it react to other people's play of Lightning?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2021, 10:07:46 am »
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Labor Union • $5 • Action • Heirloom: Leverage
+1 Buy
+$1
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While this is in play, when you buy a card, if its cost in coins is even, +1 Coffers, or if its cost in coins is odd, +1 Villager.
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Leverage • $3 • Treasure - Heirloom
Cards cost $1 less this turn.

Merchant's Guild variant.
I had trouble coming up with a card for this - $1 of reduction isn't that much, so beaucoup buys wasn't on the table, and it still takes up space in your deck unlike Canal. Then I realized you could do some fun stuff that cares about even/odd prices, vary the effect that way. Should help it get to the table more than drawing Merchant Guilds dead, anyway.

I was going to do a night-remodel, but the result was underwhelming. Yeah you could turn a copper/curse into a silver, but like, the supply cards scaled the same as the card you were trashing, so a difference of $2 was static / the presence of the heirloom didn't change anything.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2021, 11:49:28 am »
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My Submission:


Quote from: Chop Shop
CHOP SHOP

[Card art is a black and white drawing of some sort of workshop, with numerous men in pre-modern clothing doing various tasks--writing, reading, tinkering with items--at work tables or seated on benches or standing. Bright light emanates from some of the items worked on. Various other items are strewn about on the floor or on a shelf above.]

Trash a card from your hand or one you have in play. Gain a card costing up to $2 more than it. If the trashed card is an...
Action card, +1 Villager
Treasure card, +1 Coffers
Victory card, +1VP

Heirloom: Burglary Tools

$3
                                                        NIGHT                                                       
                   

Here is my version of the Heirloom:


Another remodeler, as a Night card it has the benefit of being non-terminal and of being able to trash cards in play (as well as in your hand). Plus, the boys in the Chop Shop can salvage a little extra from what they took apart, in the form of tokens (it has always struck me as a shame that Night cards were in a set without Coffers, Villagers, or VP tokens, as there is an obvious design synergy there). If you can collide it with its heirloom (which I named Burglary Tools to fit the theme), you can trash your in-play Coppers into Silvers (or $3 Actions). There can be some strategic tension when that happens, if you also have an Estate in your hand. The estate is worse junk, but the next time you get Chop Shop you may not have Burglary Tools (and may be out of Estates), and unable to remodel your Copper into something useful.

I do wonder if this is maybe too strong. Should I push it up to $6? It seems extremely weak compared to Altar. But is it substantially stronger than Replace?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2021, 12:01:25 pm »
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I think that it is too good. Non-terminal, trashing from play, token bonuses look far stronger than the Cursing/topdecking of Replace.
Especially trashing from play. You can Mine your Coppers into Silvers with the Heirloom in play and you can Remodel PLAYED Golds into Provinces.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #126: Seeking an Heir
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2021, 12:20:32 pm »
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This is the first Heirloom Kingdom card I've ever made, hope you like it!



Jeweller
Action ($4)

+1 Card
+1 Action
Play up to 3 Treasures from your hand. You may gain a card costing up to $1 per differently named Treasure you have in play.

It can be a cantrip Workshop (or sometimes even a little more) but it takes some work to get there. The Heirloom provides a nice synergy both in the cost reduction and in providing another differently named Treasure. It even works nicely with DtX. I thought about doing the HOP self trashing for Victory cards, but I don't think its necessary since you'd need at least 2 of these out already to gain Provinces (and also enough Treasures on the board to do so :P)
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