While we're at it, you can try to answer this: You say you reread EFHW N1 and changed your mind on her. What made you change your mind?
I just typed something out. It is not my fault you mistakenly read more into than you should. I’ll grab my efoo notes when I get to a desktop, but honestly it was just “this is town efoo I’m being dumb”
Before I get into anything new.... I did not manage to get the response to this out before days end. Here are the small things I found skummy at first that I re read differently at night with more time.
BEFORE - This is the first back and forth I read as skummy from EFHW. When I read this originally it came off as skummy. Pushing a weak case for weak reasons that really do not matter. At the time, it seemed like she was leaving the door open for something without voting which seemed off.
math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.
So maybe RVS? But
I don’t know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?
MiX wanted my response to this. I don't play this way, but I know some people do. Meaning being influenced by existing wagons in placing a vote. Maybe that's why joth just voted me. But given that math exhorted others to vote MiX, I'd say this is not a satisfactory answer. I don't see how it can be RVS since he had reasons. Not random.
AFTER - However, after finishing a my read back night 1, I realized that EFHW was actually just being herself and this was skum hunting. Trying to push the game forward.
BEFORE - At first I read this as overly defensive. Asking what people thought was skummy so they could respond to those things instead of just defending the situation in general.
Apologies to those who don't feel they were doing RVS. I was stuck in it, so getting out of it myself was the main point of what I was saying. I actually think my question to mathdude was sufficiently incisive. Why is he calling for people to join him on the wagon at the same time he is calling it RVS, maybe, he isn't sure?
I am lacking insight into which posts sound defensive. Can you point to them?
AFTER - During my read I realized that EFHW had literally contributed nothing but fluff outside of the single post (the first quote in this post) up to this question. So asking what seems defensive at isn't actually skummy - especially because of the wagon. Obviously, WCD then quotes the post in mention which is the only thing it could be, and EFHW says "I don't see it". Again, saw that as skummy at first, but really it isn't. If she were skum she would defend it, not dismiss it.
BEFORE - This just rang skum bells x 1000 at first. It read like she was trying to use ATE stuff to drive focus to something that probably held no weight:
In fact, Vote: faust. Scum or anti-Town, you don't get a free pass just because you want one.
@Jimmmmm, at what point did you start feeling angry at faust?
@faust, same question re: Jimmmmm.
AFTER - But in the re read I gave her more credit for following up with this:
If angry is too strong a word, then when did your negative feelings peak?
This made me believe that she was actually looking for answers and trying to skum hunt instead of just trying to use ATE to d
She then of course has the post where she re-votes Jimmm saying that "he could do this as skum". Which, that concept, was the primary reason I thought she was skummy. I still found it skummy. However, at night, while my end read on Jimmm was still town, I did see how it was a more valid point than I was giving it credit for.
That pretty much catches us up to my Day 1 read on EFHW. After that the things I found that led me to Town!EFHW were...
1 - Ok, makes sense.
Couldn't you had read that before? Was the question really necessary?
I didn't know either thing before I asked. I'm sorry there were more argument posts, but there weren't THAT many, and I know I gained some insight from it. What do you see as the problem?
2 - EFHW would not answer someone else's question as skum imo.
I think I have some understanding of joth's game so far now, and it's making a bit more sense. I think the "stick to a read" plan explains the vibe I (and I gather Swowl) was getting, and it sounds likely to be a premeditated (ie non-alignment-dependent) plan. I think I'm leaning slight Town, but also that he warrants further investigation on a future Day.
I would like to know why MiX said joth voting for EFHW was a scumslip - was that ever explained? Was it just because it contradicted his plan?
He explains in #555.
OK and then this is the big part of the town read. Here is the wagon at end of day when she shows up and says she will move if needed:
Jimmmmm (3): mathdude, EFHW, jotheonah
mathdude (4): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm
MiX (1): LaLight
joth (4): faust, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
So she is and has been pushing Jim like allllll day.
In the next post she moves to Joth.
In the next post after that she moves to Math, and tries to rally both me and MiX to move to Math to make it happen.
Skum does not do that. That is suspicious as hell. That is town trying to make sure a lynch goes off when it should.
Those are very over explained notes on what led me to flip my decision.
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