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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1525 on: September 30, 2021, 07:15:02 am »

Also, even more suspicious of faust.

Claiming masons for MiX/Didds is MVP play right there... If scum win (and faust is scum)

If me, faust and Didds are scum...then I planned to claim masons with one of them from D1. Just read it.

No, I am saying you and Didds are town, faust is scum who figured it out
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1526 on: September 30, 2021, 07:21:12 am »

I wrote and deleted a post last night to Joth about being so, so wrong about WCD/MiX scum team but it said too clearly ďwere a team. Think harderĒ but turns out faust doesnít need such an obvious post to know.

So, hooray! Masons!

Swowls voting pattern is the only one that screams town, so heís in my core. If faust outed us for towncred, it doesnít make much sense because it heíd be the only scum in the core and loses. So, Iím at WCD, MiX, Swowl, and faust. Joth is my guess for next town in, but itís just a guess.



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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1527 on: September 30, 2021, 07:21:23 am »

+ basically told scum "don't claim UB"

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What...? MiX said that after you claimed and it doesn't have anything to do with why I think you're scum.

Ok, true. Jumping around on mobile and conflating/mixing things up.

But the idea that I am telling alleged partners not to claim UB is absolutely in contradiction to the idea that I am scum claiming a cop result against iguana.

If I were scum doing something like that you know it would have been discussed at night
This was not directed at you, but at MiX.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1528 on: September 30, 2021, 07:23:13 am »

Good morning! 6 pages! Itís gonna make me a minuteÖ

Welcome! I claimed already by the way. Faust kinda tied my hands though :P

I was always going to wait for you, by virtue of not wanting to make your head explode generally and specifically.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1529 on: September 30, 2021, 07:25:22 am »

This is the game I am looking at:

Conf!town
MiX/Didds- mason
e - 1 shot cop

Conf!scum
iguanaiguana

All Else- 2 scum in 5
Swowl
faust
mathdude
Jimmmmm
jotheonah

I have been town reading basically all of the people in this group of 5. Reiterating some of my recent posts as well as my D2 reads, I could totally see faust/iguana as scum partners. I was thrown off by iguana's long post detailing his history with faust, but the actual interactions read scum to me.

Who does that leave? Swowl? Joth? I really don't know. But that is a choice for lylo
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1530 on: September 30, 2021, 07:25:45 am »



But to be fair (to be fhar..)


to be fahrrrrrr (love that show)

Thatís whats I appreciate about you Swan
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1531 on: September 30, 2021, 07:30:29 am »

Are we going to do the rest of the claims or is it a bad idea?

Has Swowl claimed cop or was that just Faustís solve?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1532 on: September 30, 2021, 07:31:26 am »

Good morning! 6 pages! Itís gonna make me a minuteÖ

Welcome! I claimed already by the way. Faust kinda tied my hands though :P

I was always going to wait for you, by virtue of not wanting to make your head explode generally and specifically.

Yes, so sorry about not waiting for you.

FWIW, I would be fine with us claiming whenever you felt like it even if faust said nothing. But we hadn't actually talked about it,so.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1533 on: September 30, 2021, 07:32:33 am »

Are we going to do the rest of the claims or is it a bad idea?

Has Swowl claimed cop or was that just Faustís solve?

Faust's guess
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1534 on: September 30, 2021, 07:34:56 am »

Are we going to do the rest of the claims or is it a bad idea?

Has Swowl claimed cop or was that just Faustís solve?

Faust's guess

faust telling his partner to claim cop
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1535 on: September 30, 2021, 07:35:16 am »

Haha, I am living in my own little world, aren't I?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1536 on: September 30, 2021, 07:38:58 am »

Haha, I am living in my own little world, aren't I?

Yes.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1537 on: September 30, 2021, 07:41:12 am »

Haha, I am living in my own little world, aren't I?

At least when I am confronted with facts I adjust and adapt.

Unlike faust who has created a world where I am scum, then summarily reject my claim to conform to his read.

Acknowledge, you don't just accept all claims. That would be silly. But did you go back and read iguana?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1538 on: September 30, 2021, 07:42:34 am »

But did you go back and read iguana?
How would that help me overcome my scumread on you? Because he's so obviously scum? If it's that obvious then why did you check him in the first place?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1539 on: September 30, 2021, 07:45:22 am »

Ok Iím sold. With a towncore of MiX/Didds/faust from where Iím sitting I just need to figure out two more townies. I can add Swowl if I trust faust.

So that leaves e, iguana, mathdude, and Jimmmmm as 3 town and a scum.

So itís probably Jim or iguana.

vote: e

I feel like this is where my blind spot is this game. I just really don't see math or jimmmm as scum at this point. But the numbers don't lie, one (or both) of them are very likely scum.

Joth, why landing on voting me here? Pure persuasion from faust?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1540 on: September 30, 2021, 07:46:45 am »

But did you go back and read iguana?
How would that help me overcome my scumread on you? Because he's so obviously scum? If it's that obvious then why did you check him in the first place?

I checked him because he is not so obviously scum, but I had the crazy read D2 and thought he was.

And guess what? I was right. Such a great feeling.

I just have had a terrible job of it presenting my result.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1541 on: September 30, 2021, 07:49:09 am »

To be honest, in the crazy world I live in right now convincing myself faust is scum, I don't really care to prove iguana is scum

And a large portion of my initial read on iguana was entirely based on the premise that he was scum with you [faust]
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1542 on: September 30, 2021, 07:51:30 am »

-snip-.

Was not expecting a whole history.

Looking at Faust again.

The anticipation is killing me

Don't wait up. I'm not finishing until I get some sleep

Still holding my breath.

Ok, so, this post is going to be kind of a doozy but here goes.

I believe you voted me / are still scum reading because you believe that I fabricated a vote on faust as a sort of scum tactic to see if anyone else was interested in voting him / to get rid of him / whatever.

But the real reason I voted faust is much more complicated than that and is related to like every game of mafia I've ever played.

I actually was thinking the two of you were partners doing a little partner bussing dance.

The whole history lesson is a bit compelling to pull me off that narrative, I will stick to just faust being scum

On the other hand....
I used to think it was faust and gkrieg and Galzria and Ashersky and Lalight and Robz that were all really really good and he was up there with them, but I now think he's the best, hands down.

Who decided to NK lalight is still to be determined and someone who views them as strong town is a as compelling an argument as we have.

In the end, I think either you or faust could still be scum, leaning more towards faust, less toward both of you
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1543 on: September 30, 2021, 07:54:01 am »

Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

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Following up on this post of mine finally.  Sorry about the delay.  (And yes, I'm at a computer and have a lot to reply to.  This will be a wall post!)

I had sort of ignored iguana D1, since I had only played 1 other game with him (Oz), and wanted to focus more on people I had played multiple games with, in order to get a little more info about how to read him.  I was scum-reading him off-and-on last game, and I think that's just that his playstyle will get read that way to me (the same way I will, by default, think MiX, faust, and a few others not in this game are just scummy by the way they post D1 of games).  Again, I'm becoming more aware of this bias, and trying to take it into account in learning how to read people.

Back on D1...

A few RVS votes/discussion early, then
I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

I don't like the excuse for not wanting to vote MiX.  Then, I get that it's D1 and we don't know much, but "saltiness" doesn't seem like a good reason to jump on a vote.

This post:
For all the discussion of us not being RVS, the weekend start we've had feels very RVSy even for a normal game.

Mathdude's comments here

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?

remind me a bit of when he OMGUSed me in the last game here.

It has that same attitude of scumreading someone for reading the game differently than you. He was town there, so for right now I'm reading it as Math is town again and would want to blend in more if he was scum.

Joth and Jimmm are my biggest unknowns this game.

I vaguely remember Jim as someone who played occasionally, didn't post much, but had a reputation for being good at finding the scums with short, decisive posts. I don't remember if I've ever read a scum Jim game though...

Joth I've seen as mod and I did some reading into his old games already, but I don't know his scum meta either.

@Joth, could you point me in the direction of a scum game you are proud of?
gets townpoints.  This is some of the most useful stuff I think he's posted, and it was very early D1.

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?

Because you're questioning it. That puts the chance out there that the two of you are partners.

For me personally finding partner interactions is too hard without a single flip and it's a sort of folly to try. That sort of things lends itself to confirmation bias easily.
This looks like an easy way to avoid committing to doing much useful stuff D1 - something scum would want to do, as long as it looks like an exile will actually happen.

Now we get into some more of the good stuff!


Third vote is scum

Vote: math

I'm a bit busy at work for the next two days, so no time for a long post but suffice to say I found this case persuasive.

Vote: Mathdude
Maybe it's a poor choice of words, but this case is definitely not "persuasive".  This is a good excuse to jump on a wagon (e provided a flimsy reason to vote me, why not jump on and see what happens?).  But it's not persuasive, by any means.  Scum!iguana makes it seem like there's more of a case on me than there really is.

yeah my towncore RN is iguana & Didds. It was faust too but then I second-guessed myself into oblivion, sorry faust. But I will happily sheep Didds and iguana today.

Sure. So I will read Joth now.

Joth is buddying me so that makes him scum.

Actually, I think Joth is town. And that's because... his scum record is truly abysmal. And I read his scum game... the one he told me was the best example of him as scum... and he was just bad scum in that game.

And he does not seem bad in this game. Therefore he's town. Good enough for D1.

That's my general impression.
-snip-

The "Joth is buddying me so that makes him scum" is something I'll come back to later with iguana, and part of why I think he's scum.

Otherwise, in that post, he's all over the map, commenting about joth, but not really saying anything useful for us to use for or against in the future.

-snip-
(long post of his re-read on MiX)
In his re-read on MiX, he's almost fully focused on how MiX reads me, and switches his read on me, then ignores commenting on a read on me.  This fixation on how things relate to me is not fully founded at this point (I had not yet become a real viable wagon until almost the end of D1... even though I had a few votes on me earlier, there wasn't much to them).

Blah, I missed swowl.

I think WCD was right about swowl. Swowl's our best shot in the dark exile, and would serve him right for not showing up when he said he would. But also it's a jerk move to exile someone just for being busy IRL when he's repeatedly like "Hey, I'll get to this later."

So maybe WCD is the jerk, not me.

I believe I replied to this thought back on D1, but this was late enough in the day, a policy exile for not showing up would probably have been worse than no-exile (unless of course Swowl ended up flipping scum).  We actually had relevant thoughts/reads from many people on a few different wagons, so switching to a lurker with almost no info on people's reads would be something scum would want.

-snip-
Long post about me
...

Even after all this, I still can't figure out if you find me scummy or not. I think you went back and forth 3 or 4 times, got stuck on last game a bit too long, and then couldn't decide. But after reading your posts on other people too, you seem to be in the same boat with your reads on a lot of people. Seems hedgy overall to me.

PPE Swowl's post

Let me clarify. You are scummy for voting Jim when you did the first time, and you are scummy for sheeping faust and revoting Jim after unvoting. You are especially scummy if Jim is town, which is something I obviously can't completely figure out yet (It's D1, how am I supposed to be sure about anyone?), but think is true.

I am voting you. So you can be sure I think you are scummy.

This was an OMGUS reply.  And hedging on "especially scummy if Jim is town" already sounds scummy, but adding "which is something I obviously can't completely figure out yet" sounds more like "I know he's town, but I can't say that here".

He then digs down and repeats these thoughts in his next post, arguing for why he's tunneling so much on me, because it's almost all that e and gkrieg had done (in their few contributions to the game, even though there were no real reasons given)... and since he was reading them, and MiX, therefore of course it would all connect back to me.

Vote Count 1.II.5

EFHW (4): WestCoastDidds, MiX, Jotheonah, Swowl
Jimmmmm (3): jotheonah, mathdude, EFHW
faust (1): Jimmmmm
mathdude (3): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
MiX (2): LaLight, faust
Last thing I wanted to do is take a look at the current game state. With less than a day to deadline... Jim is the only one stubbornly not moving his vote to any kind of a wagon. Still, I don't like the look of the people voting Jim and do not want to vote there. I don't think I like voting MiX either given that the two votes on him are coming from people I don't really trust.

I could move to EFHW but I think I still want to see if anyone else is interested in Math.

That's a lot of people he doesn't like the look of and doesn't really trust.  It's one thing to not be townreading a lot of people D1.  But this looks like throwing shade on a lot of people, and seeing what will stick.


On to D2...

At the start, he is focused a lot on why people did or did not vote me.  This fixation actually makes sense here, since I was one of the potentially viable wagons EoD1.

Iguana, I understand you can't fathom having a townread on me, but others can.

It's not that no one could TR you but I do want to know where he's coming from on said town read
This quote and his previous post look like just trying to start something, where nothing needed to be started.  Scum trying to build up trouble start of D2 maybe?

Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

These posts just came out of nowhere, in my opinion.  He had been so focused EoD1 with who was voting for whom, and not voting with people he thought was scummy.  He had been scum-reading me a fair amount now.  And I believe at this point, I was the only one voting faust, and he jumps on to maybe start a wagon.  This is inconsistent with his earlier play this game.

Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

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It doesn't have to be both! Trust me, I can be town and also be super detrimental. That is most likely the case here.

At any rate, I wasn't sheeping you, and actually I had no idea you were even voting faust.

I really honestly believe that you can't write a good case against faust. He has played in near every game I've played in since 2015, and I don't think I've ever been able to read him accurately. Mostly I find him to be towny even when he is scum. Last game I trusted that read and lost.

This game, I am not feeling the case against Jim at all. EFHW seemed scummy at first but has largely come back from that. I also have reasons to believe that you (Math) are town. I'm least sure about Joth, but a large part of that is just PoE from my other townreads.

So those are the major wagons that we've had, and I don't feel great about any of them. So it begs the question, if all of those people are town (possible), who is scum? Probably someone who is playing quite well. Hence, the vote on faust, who I think always plays well as scum.

You can call that grasping at straws if you want. But I have certainly put thought into it.

Fair enough to say he wasn't sheeping me.  Maybe I got over-reactive at that point.  Like I said earlier, I was planning to follow up that post with a re-read on you and likely a vote on you (which is what this is now!)  And part of the reason I'm thinking that is you are all-of-a-sudden now changing your mind on me.  "I also have reasons to believe that you (Math) are town".  Done with the argument, and just trying to deflect the attention, so I stop focusing on you?  If you town-read me now, maybe I'll ignore you?

Vote: iguana

When I had posted 2 days ago about iguana sheeping me, I was definitely under the mindset that he had been building up in scumminess throughout the game, and I'd have a big case.  But now that I've gone through all his posts, even with a lean on thinking he's scum, they aren't quite as bad as my initial gut read seemed to think they are (and I fully expect pushback on a few fo my comments).  However, I still don't like a bunch of what he said, and will leave my vote there for now.  I'll see how he responds.

PPE: 13!! (I'll go look at them now)

Don't trust me, trust math.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1544 on: September 30, 2021, 08:00:59 am »

To be honest, in the crazy world I live in right now convincing myself faust is scum, I don't really care to prove iguana is scum

And a large portion of my initial read on iguana was entirely based on the premise that he was scum with you [faust]

Prove iguana is scum to faust, that is.

I sincerely hope I can convince the rest of you and we do exile iguana to avoid the triple lylo
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1545 on: September 30, 2021, 08:08:31 am »

The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have

E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl

There isn't room for another Cop.

There isn't room for swowl to be a cop.

Why are you convinced of that?

Right now we are likely sitting at
ECMTTT

There is totally room to flip those Ts to:
ECMMMT
ECCCMT

Both much less likely.

But really, the narrative you created makes it me vs swowl for cop claims, what happens when I flip 1-shot cop? Swowl is scum too?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1546 on: September 30, 2021, 08:09:58 am »

I stupidly brought up the mass claim yesterday, ensuring that scum would plan for it overnight. Which makes something like ďif a massclaim looks like itís a go, Iím going to immediately pre-empt it by claiming copĒ a much more likely scum QT scenario.

Ok, faust has me convinced. Though Iím really gonna feel like a dick if e is actually a cop.

But hey, you can feel good that you didn't vote gkrieg
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1547 on: September 30, 2021, 08:12:27 am »

I stupidly brought up the mass claim yesterday, ensuring that scum would plan for it overnight. Which makes something like ďif a massclaim looks like itís a go, Iím going to immediately pre-empt it by claiming copĒ a much more likely scum QT scenario.

Ok, faust has me convinced. Though Iím really gonna feel like a dick if e is actually a cop.

But that really is the thing too.

Read my posts before the mass claim? Do they feel like scum that thought through exactly how they would claim the next day?

So in your world where I am scum, am I framing town!iguana or and I doing a gambit for scum!iguana?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1548 on: September 30, 2021, 08:13:05 am »

The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have

E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl

There isn't room for another Cop.

There isn't room for swowl to be a cop.

Why are you convinced of that?

Right now we are likely sitting at
ECMTTT

There is totally room to flip those Ts to:
ECMMMT
ECCCMT

Both much less likely.

But really, the narrative you created makes it me vs swowl for cop claims, what happens when I flip 1-shot cop? Swowl is scum too?

The two masons has to be MMM though, right?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1549 on: September 30, 2021, 08:13:50 am »

The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have

E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl

There isn't room for another Cop.

There isn't room for swowl to be a cop.

Why are you convinced of that?

Right now we are likely sitting at
ECMTTT

There is totally room to flip those Ts to:
ECMMMT
ECCCMT

Both much less likely.

But really, the narrative you created makes it me vs swowl for cop claims, what happens when I flip 1-shot cop? Swowl is scum too?

The two masons has to be MMM though, right?

"Two masons" is you and MiX, and we still have a UB
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