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M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: August 06, 2021, 09:13:29 pm »

M133: Among Us Mafia

This is a Semi-Open Set Up Normal Game for 12 players invented by Ashersky.
You will find all the given game information in the following post.

MOD: Dylan


Sign Up List:
1. LaLight (Killed N1)
2. MiX (Killed N3
3. Swowl (Exiled D4)
4. faust
5. mathdude
6. gkrieg13 (Exiled D2)
7. Jimmmmm
8. jotheonah
9. iguanaiguana (Exiled D3)
10. EFHW (Killed N2)
11. WestCoastDidds
12. 2.71828..... (Killed N4)

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Game Tracker:
Day 1 Start
Day 2 Start
Day 3 Start
Day 4 Start
Day 5 Start

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information (including QT opening and closing times) is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 36 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, Blue text is reserved for the MODs. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last 48 hours.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2021, 04:16:39 pm by Dylan32 »
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2021, 09:13:56 pm »

Setup Information


Asher9++ is a semi-open setup for 12 players. Setup generation is a randomized process that is open and explained below.

All games include a Universal Back-Up and a Godfather. The remaining 10 roles are determined by rolling six random numbers from 1-100. Each roll is separate. The following number ranges are assigned letters as shown:

1-50: T (Townie. This directly influences scum power roles.) (50/100)
51-60: E (ďEitherĒ Cop or Doctor) (10/100)
61-65: C (Cop) (5/100)
66-70: D (Doctor) (5/100)
71-80: V (Vigilante) (10/100)
81-90: M (Mason) (10/100)
91-100: B (Blocker) (10/100)

After the letters have been assigned, the mod refers to the list below to determine which power roles are included.

E Roles*
E = 1-Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop
EE = 1-Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop x2
EEE = Doctor OR Cop; 1-Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop
EEEE = Doctor OR Cop; 1-Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop x2
EEEEE = Doctor OR Cop x2; 1 -Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop
EEEEEE = Doctor OR Cop x2; 1-Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop x2

C Roles
C = 1-Shot Cop
CC = Cop
CCC = Cop; 1-Shot Cop
CCCC = Cop; 1-Shot Cop x2
CCCCC = Cop x2; 1-Shot Cop
CCCCCC = Cop x2; 1-Shot Cop x2

D Roles
D = Doctor
DD = Doctor; 1-Shot Doctor
DDD = Doctor; 1-Shot Doctor x2
DDDD = Doctor x2; 1-Shot Doctor
DDDDD = Doctor x2; 1-Shot Doctor x2
DDDDDD = Doctor x3

Vigilante Roles
V = 1-Shot Vigilante
VV = Vigilante
VVV = Vigilante; 1-Shot Vigilante
VVVV = Vigilante; 1-Shot Vigilante x2
VVVVV = Vigilante x2; 1-Shot Vigilante
VVVVVV = Vigilante x2; 1-Shot Vigilante x2

Mason Roles
M** = 1 Mason
MM = Innocent Child (Confirmed at start of Day 1)
MMM = 2 Masons
MMMM = 2 Masons; Innocent Child
MMMMM = 3 Masons
MMMMMM = 2 Masons; 2 Masons (i.e. two separate pairings)

Blocker Roles
B = Roleblocker
BB = Roleblocker; 1-Shot Roleblocker
BBB = Roleblocker; 1-Shot Roleblocker x2
BBBB = Roleblocker x2; 1-Shot Roleblocker
BBBBB = Roleblocker x2; 1-Shot Roleblocker x2
BBBBBB = Roleblocker x3

Scum Roles (In addition to the Godfather)
TTTTTT*** = Goon x2
TTTTT*** = Goon x2
TTTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TTT = 1-Shot Strongman; Roleblocker
TT = Strongman; Roleblocker
T = Strongman; Roleblocker
0 Ts = Strongman; Roleblocker; 1-Shot Bulletproof****

After power roles are determined from the table above, Vanilla Townies are added to arrive at 12 players.

* "Or" roles are determined randomly
** Single M rolls result in the Universal Backup converting to a Mason
*** 5 or 6 T rolls result in a scum team of Goon - Goon - Godfather. During N0, the team may elect to have one of the two Goons be 1-Shot Bulletproof. This is optional and not required.
**** If there are zero Ts, one member of the mafia team is randomly 1-Shot Bulletproof.

Clarifications:

--If a 1-Shot PR is the first PR to die, the UB will inherit that role, even if the shot was used up. The UB will not receive a new shot.
--If the Universal Backup converts to a Mason due to a single M roll, that player will not be informed of the conversion.
--Mafia Strongman modifier defeats one doctor protection or roleblocker. If two or more doctors successfully protect the target, the kill will fail. If a doctor protects the target and the Strongman is blocked, the kill will fail.  If two roleblockers target the Strongman, the kill will fail.
--The Bulletproof modifier will be revealed upon death, if selected or assigned.

« Last Edit: August 06, 2021, 09:18:22 pm by Dylan32 »
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2021, 07:10:54 am »

good old asher9++ oh how i missed you.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2021, 10:58:42 am »

/in

Normal games are cool too!
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2021, 04:18:20 pm »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2021, 01:55:33 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2021, 12:38:57 am »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2021, 07:16:33 am »

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2021, 12:06:54 am »

/out, i'm sorry, will have limited availability in patches of september
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2021, 01:03:18 am »

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2021, 08:55:05 pm »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2021, 02:41:13 am »

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2021, 10:15:06 pm »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2021, 02:10:13 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2021, 02:20:22 pm »

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2021, 01:14:18 am »

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2021, 01:14:32 am »

I'm gonna lurk
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2021, 01:22:32 am »

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2021, 10:24:20 am »

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2021, 03:49:10 pm »

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2021, 05:02:51 pm »

X-1. If someone signs up in the next couple hours I can start N0 tonight!
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2021, 11:17:34 pm »

X-1. If someone signs up in the next couple hours I can start N0 tonight!

good old asher9++ oh how i missed you.

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No no no - I think youíre good. LaLight iníed twice.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2021, 12:07:44 am »

Yeesh, stop being a troll and hammer
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2021, 02:47:23 am »

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2021, 03:23:34 am »

X-1. If someone signs up in the next couple hours I can start N0 tonight!

good old asher9++ oh how i missed you.

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No no no - I think youíre good. LaLight iníed twice.

I thought about listing him twice, but I probably would have forgotten I did it until I had already locked the thread lol.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2021, 03:34:20 am »

Thread locked.

PMs going out now. Game will start after all players confirm in their QT.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2021, 03:04:23 pm »

What is this ship? Where is it going? You don't know. The one thing you do know: not everyone on the ship is supposed to be here. Who are the imposters?! If only it wasn't so hard to see who (or what) is inside these colorful spacesuits...

Day 1 begins. Thread unlocked!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (12): LaLight, MiX, Swowl, faust, mathdude, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, jotheonah, iguanaiguana EFHW, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends September 18, 2021, at 3:00 PM server time.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2021, 03:30:38 pm »

Let's go!

This topic should be moved. I can do it, but so can you, Dylan.

Also the topic name should probably say Day 1.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2021, 04:22:36 pm »

Do we get to pick the color of our spacesuit? Iíd like a light purple one, please.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2021, 04:29:43 pm »

Do we get to pick the color of our spacesuit? Iíd like a light purple one, please.
Uh, are you claiming Serial Killer? I'm pretty sure that is someone else's job.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2021, 05:03:46 pm »

heyyyy haven't been in a normal  game for a while, and this setup brings all the good memories!

vote: iguanaiguana goad to have you back!
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Draws: 1
MVPs: 4
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2021, 05:04:27 pm »

also i've never played among us but pretty much know all the memes
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2021, 05:12:40 pm »

also i've never played among us but pretty much know all the memes

that's sus. ll vented. emergency meeting. ll killed green.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2021, 06:54:20 pm »

Howdy all!
This started fast all of a sudden. Which is awesome, because starting tomorrow, I am sitting on a beach for like 4 days with nothinnggggg to do.



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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2021, 07:43:13 pm »

Morning!
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2021, 08:41:01 pm »

Do we get to pick the color of our spacesuit? Iíd like a light purple one, please.
Uh, are you claiming Serial Killer? I'm pretty sure that is someone else's job.

No, I just care about fashion! Light purple is universally flattering
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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2021, 08:41:51 pm »

Jimmmmmmm! Hi friend! How you been? Itís been a minute.
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2021, 09:11:06 pm »

Jimmmmmmm! Hi friend! How you been? Itís been a minute.

Hey Didds! Not too bad. Been stuck at home under lockdown for a couple of months. Yourself?
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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2021, 10:01:40 pm »

Vote: Lalight for being the co mod.

I'm gonna leave my vote here for three days until I realize you're not the co mod.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2021, 10:16:14 pm »

Vote: iguana for now. More during the week hopefully.
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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2021, 10:22:38 pm »

also i've never played among us but pretty much know all the memes

that's sus. ll vented. emergency meeting. ll killed green.

amogus

I've also never played. But I don't know the memes. This meant nothing to me.

Vote: MiX
Because... it's MiX?
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2021, 11:23:05 pm »

Hi Everybody!
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2021, 01:17:40 am »

Hello. I'm liking the back-to-back mafia games. Never played among us and don't know the memes. Is it important to know the flavor?
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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2021, 01:18:41 am »

Hello. I'm liking the back-to-back mafia games. Never played among us and don't know the memes. Is it important to know the flavor?

Given that it's a (semi)-open setup, I can't imagine so.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2021, 03:54:25 am »

Vote: joth
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2021, 04:40:03 am »

also i've never played among us but pretty much know all the memes

that's sus. ll vented. emergency meeting. ll killed green.

amogus

I've also never played. But I don't know the memes. This meant nothing to me.

Vote: MiX
Because... it's MiX?

Don't worry, it means nothing to anyone.

Hello. I'm liking the back-to-back mafia games. Never played among us and don't know the memes. Is it important to know the flavor?

Not at all.

Vote: joth

Yeah honestly joth's probably outed scum already.

Vote: joth
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2021, 04:40:44 am »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!
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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2021, 05:26:42 am »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!
Don't you think you can buddy me!
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2021, 08:26:38 am »

Hello. I'm liking the back-to-back mafia games. Never played among us and don't know the memes. Is it important to know the flavor?

It seems like itís pop culture moment is waningÖ You could play one game and simultaneously get it and be not impressed. Itís like speed mafiaÖ everyone is a little dude in a colorful space suit, and the ďimpostersĒ go about killing the crew members while the crew members try to complete their tasks.. A crew member can call a conference and vote for someone to be ejected into space. Itís super fast, there is no vote count analysis and everyone is ďsusĒ (suspicious).

The colorful space suit dudes are cute though.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2021, 08:28:03 am »

Hi Joth! Hi faust! Hi MiX!

Swowl, what beach?? Also Iím writhing with envy.
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« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2021, 10:05:30 am »

Do we get to pick the color of our spacesuit? Iíd like a light purple one, please.
Uh, are you claiming Serial Killer? I'm pretty sure that is someone else's job.

No, I just care about fashion! Light purple is universally flattering

this is my mod color!
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2021, 10:06:03 am »

Vote: Lalight for being the co mod.

I'm gonna leave my vote here for three days until I realize you're not the co mod.

I am ALWAYS the comod.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2021, 10:08:00 am »

mmhm vote: MiX
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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2021, 10:08:39 am »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
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« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2021, 10:18:13 am »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
So I can't tell... does this mean you are, or are not, scum this round?
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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2021, 10:24:55 am »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
So I can't tell... does this mean you are, or are not, scum this round?

That depends on if I overreact to this wagon. But Iím not planning toÖ unless I already have? Itís all pretty subjective I suppose.
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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2021, 10:30:50 am »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
So I can't tell... does this mean you are, or are not, scum this round?

That depends on if I overreact to this wagon. But Iím not planning toÖ unless I already have? Itís all pretty subjective I suppose.

Seems like you have to me. You didn't even answer math's question. So, are you town?
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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2021, 11:01:36 am »

I feel like I have completely missed RVS not posting the first almost 24 hours
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« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2021, 11:08:43 am »

Vote: iguana


For the same reasons faust did.
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2021, 11:16:48 am »

Vote: iguana


For the same reasons faust did.

You mean..gkrieg?
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« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2021, 11:37:52 am »

Vote: iguana


For the same reasons faust did.

You mean..gkrieg?

Yes. That's the one
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2021, 12:01:03 pm »

Vote: iguana


For the same reasons faust did.
I mean, those were some good reasons, can't argue with myself.

Vote: iguana
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« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2021, 12:02:11 pm »

Vote: iguana


For the same reasons faust did.
I mean, those were some good reasons, can't argue with myself.

Vote: iguana

They're good reasons, but I think they're a scum play to exile town!iguana. I just can't stand by and watch him go through this.

It's too clean. Too easy. I don't see scum!iguana doing this.
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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2021, 12:06:41 pm »

It was fun being IC last game, so let's be MIC this game with some effort and cases in RVS.

Vote: Lalight for being the co mod.

I'm gonna leave my vote here for three days until I realize you're not the co mod.

This is superficially scummy: iguana dodges the RVS decision with voting someone predetermined (which answers the "do I vote my partner in RVS" question which has plagued at least my mind as scum) while simultaneously avoiding being active for 3 days to see how the thread's going. However, scum!iguana would know how this looks, and could not in good faith make a post that does not make him townie.

If you look at his previous town game, he was almost upset at being so widely townread, yet I don't think that's how scum!iguana would think about the game this early into D1. He would most likely try to be in the same position as before, which implies being townread first. This post does not accomplish that, and therefore was not made by scum!iguana.
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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2021, 12:07:40 pm »

Early wagons are great. We need another.

Vote: Joth
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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2021, 12:10:09 pm »

MiX analyzes my post in great detail... but misses that I was making a throwback to how I started the last game by voting for the comod for three days straight?
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« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2021, 12:12:02 pm »

MiX analyzes my post in great detail... but misses that I was making a throwback to how I started the last game by voting for the comod for three days straight?

That's what I meant by "voting someone predetermined".
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« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2021, 12:14:30 pm »

I think I predetermine my first post in every game I play. That's how I ended up voting Lalight last time. So NAI there I guess.
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« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2021, 04:24:42 pm »

Early wagons are great. We need another.

Vote: Joth

You wanted a 3rd wagon? Or you didn't like MiX as a 2nd wagon?
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« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2021, 04:28:30 pm »

I think I predetermine my first post in every game I play. That's how I ended up voting Lalight last time. So NAI there I guess.

But when you do it, you are more likely town, so I guess I have to townread you for it. unvote
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« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2021, 04:29:55 pm »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
So I can't tell... does this mean you are, or are not, scum this round?

That depends on if I overreact to this wagon. But Iím not planning toÖ unless I already have? Itís all pretty subjective I suppose.

Seems like you have to me. You didn't even answer math's question. So, are you town?

Claiming town is meaningless, but I guess I can do it if you want me to.

Ahem

I am town
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« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2021, 04:34:15 pm »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.
So I can't tell... does this mean you are, or are not, scum this round?

That depends on if I overreact to this wagon. But Iím not planning toÖ unless I already have? Itís all pretty subjective I suppose.

Seems like you have to me. You didn't even answer math's question. So, are you town?

Claiming town is meaningless, but I guess I can do it if you want me to.

Ahem

I am town

I believe you.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2021, 04:35:40 pm »

You know who we should never, ever fly under the radar? EFHW. Sheís got scary mind control skills. (Also, Iím still salty.)

Vote: EFHW

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« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2021, 04:37:32 pm »

You know who we should never, ever fly under the radar? EFHW. Sheís got scary mind control skills. (Also, Iím still salty.)

Vote: EFHW

Considering they were caught for basically no reason D2, I disagree with this statement.
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« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2021, 05:15:12 pm »

Caught but not exiled! Super powers!!
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2021, 07:48:37 pm »

The crew was all gathered around the cafeteria table trying to figure out who didn't belong. Cyan spoke up, "Well, a few people here obviously don't belong here, but since those of us who do belong already know our tasks, let's get to work. Maybe we can figure out who the imposters are by seeing who is faking it."

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iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., faust
MiX (2): mathdude, LaLight
jotheonah (1): iguanaiguana
gkrieg13 (1): MiX
EFHW (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (5): Swowl, Jimmmmm, jotheonah, EFHW, gkrieg13

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends September 18, 2021, at 3:00 PM server time.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2021, 08:01:39 pm »

Hi Joth! Hi faust! Hi MiX!

Swowl, what beach?? Also Iím writhing with envy.

Cabo San Lucas!
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« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2021, 08:04:53 pm »

Come on people. MiX is a good wagon.
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« Reply #80 on: September 12, 2021, 08:15:50 pm »

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.
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« Reply #81 on: September 12, 2021, 08:17:49 pm »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth
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« Reply #82 on: September 12, 2021, 08:18:07 pm »

Hi Joth! Hi faust! Hi MiX!

Swowl, what beach?? Also Iím writhing with envy.

Cabo San Lucas!

Dude! Thatís amazing! Is DisSwan laying on the beach, too?,
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« Reply #83 on: September 12, 2021, 08:35:22 pm »

You know who we should never, ever fly under the radar? EFHW. Sheís got scary mind control skills. (Also, Iím still salty.)

Vote: EFHW

Considering they were caught for basically no reason D2, I disagree with this statement.

This.
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« Reply #84 on: September 12, 2021, 08:37:22 pm »

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.
Did you guys read the mafia QT?
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« Reply #85 on: September 12, 2021, 08:40:07 pm »

Enough digression/regression regarding the last game. How shall we get out of RVS?

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
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« Reply #86 on: September 12, 2021, 09:54:09 pm »

I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
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« Reply #87 on: September 12, 2021, 10:33:58 pm »

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.
Did you guys read the mafia QT?

No one didÖ there was never a link posted
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« Reply #88 on: September 12, 2021, 10:37:32 pm »

I should post that. For the sake of everyone having info. Iíll do it in that thread tho.
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« Reply #89 on: September 12, 2021, 10:45:29 pm »

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

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I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
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« Reply #90 on: September 12, 2021, 10:50:52 pm »

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
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« Reply #91 on: September 13, 2021, 01:48:32 am »

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?
I was just about ready to vote MiX, and now you leave?
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« Reply #92 on: September 13, 2021, 01:50:03 am »

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth
Tsk, I don't do RVS. I get offended when people label my votes as RVS, and more so if they label them as meaningless.
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« Reply #93 on: September 13, 2021, 02:03:39 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.
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« Reply #94 on: September 13, 2021, 02:17:30 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.
It's important to also read what is not said.
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« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2021, 02:38:29 am »

Any chance of a translation for those of us unable to read between the line?
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« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2021, 04:29:52 am »

Any chance of a translation for those of us unable to read between the line?

It doesn't say he's town. It doesn't say anything. The capitalized "Everybody" and the exclamation mark says the post wasn't made in 1 second, but at the same time, it begs a second paragraph with random early thoughts which aren't there.
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« Reply #97 on: September 13, 2021, 04:38:26 am »

Math should be town here. His vote and push on me are very easy for scum!math to fake as he seems very comfortable doing it, but he seems genuine to me. Particularly this post:

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

So maybe RVS? But
I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?

Which shows serious doubt over who to vote and how to proceed out of RVS.

Did you guys read the mafia QT?

Is there anything there that you'd like to be known? It matters for this game for your interaction with faust.
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« Reply #98 on: September 13, 2021, 04:54:55 am »

I read gkrieg's single post again and I realized it's either NAI or townie. Kinda forgot how gkrieg functions, or how people that are busy post in general.

Vote: joth, I think.
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« Reply #99 on: September 13, 2021, 05:23:23 am »

Vote: joth

You've missed your chance, math!
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« Reply #100 on: September 13, 2021, 08:23:34 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

Whereís the ďVĒ?
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« Reply #101 on: September 13, 2021, 08:25:51 am »

Any chance of a translation for those of us unable to read between the line?

It doesn't say he's town. It doesn't say anything. The capitalized "Everybody" and the exclamation mark says the post wasn't made in 1 second, but at the same time, it begs a second paragraph with random early thoughts which aren't there.

If you must know it was a very oblique Simpsonís reference but nobody chimed in with ďHi, Doctor NickĒ so there you go.
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« Reply #102 on: September 13, 2021, 08:41:53 am »

Any chance of a translation for those of us unable to read between the line?

It doesn't say he's town. It doesn't say anything. The capitalized "Everybody" and the exclamation mark says the post wasn't made in 1 second, but at the same time, it begs a second paragraph with random early thoughts which aren't there.

If you must know it was a very oblique Simpsonís reference but nobody chimed in with ďHi, Doctor NickĒ so there you go.

Isn't that "Hello"? Or was that the response? I feel like I've gotten this wrong for years...

Do you usually do things like this as town? What about as scum?
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« Reply #103 on: September 13, 2021, 08:51:04 am »

Iím trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons Iím not going to spell out.
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« Reply #104 on: September 13, 2021, 08:51:26 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

Whereís the ďVĒ?

I was talking to faust. This was your only post before he voted for you without explanation.
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« Reply #105 on: September 13, 2021, 08:52:12 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

Whereís the ďVĒ?

I was talking to faust. This was your only post before he voted for you without explanation.

Oohhh got it
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« Reply #106 on: September 13, 2021, 09:02:09 am »

Iím trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons Iím not going to spell out.

Okay, okay, I get it, you're town.

Wanna RVS on someone?
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« Reply #107 on: September 13, 2021, 09:14:19 am »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
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« Reply #108 on: September 13, 2021, 11:30:25 am »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?
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« Reply #109 on: September 13, 2021, 12:04:41 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
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« Reply #110 on: September 13, 2021, 12:26:25 pm »

For all the discussion of us not being RVS, the weekend start we've had feels very RVSy even for a normal game.

Mathdude's comments here

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?

remind me a bit of when he OMGUSed me in the last game here.

It has that same attitude of scumreading someone for reading the game differently than you. He was town there, so for right now I'm reading it as Math is town again and would want to blend in more if he was scum.

Joth and Jimmm are my biggest unknowns this game.

I vaguely remember Jim as someone who played occasionally, didn't post much, but had a reputation for being good at finding the scums with short, decisive posts. I don't remember if I've ever read a scum Jim game though...

Joth I've seen as mod and I did some reading into his old games already, but I don't know his scum meta either.

@Joth, could you point me in the direction of a scum game you are proud of?
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« Reply #111 on: September 13, 2021, 12:42:49 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0
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« Reply #112 on: September 13, 2021, 12:48:19 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.
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« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2021, 01:03:04 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.
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« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2021, 01:06:22 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol
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« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2021, 01:09:15 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.

yeeeah no. it's like this on paper, but in games on D1 most town wants to exile someone pretty mich the same as scum. let this someone be MiX
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« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2021, 01:11:06 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.
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« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2021, 01:13:25 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol

He won a recent game, just look for it.
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« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2021, 01:14:41 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Last game was probably the first where I scumread faust while I was alive. I think I finally have a good read on him, and if so he's town here. I'm just not feeling unease when looking at his posts.
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« Reply #119 on: September 13, 2021, 01:20:27 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.
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« Reply #120 on: September 13, 2021, 01:22:39 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

I agree with faust.
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« Reply #121 on: September 13, 2021, 01:23:45 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Not sold on the case
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« Reply #122 on: September 13, 2021, 01:24:58 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Last game was probably the first where I scumread faust while I was alive. I think I finally have a good read on him, and if so he's town here. I'm just not feeling unease when looking at his posts.
If 3 posts with less than 50 words between them are enough to get a solid read on me then I definitely need to put some serious work into my scum game.
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« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2021, 01:25:12 pm »

Iím trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons Iím not going to spell out.

New things are fun, let's not exile you D1
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« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2021, 01:26:54 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Last game was probably the first where I scumread faust while I was alive. I think I finally have a good read on him, and if so he's town here. I'm just not feeling unease when looking at his posts.
If 3 posts with less than 50 words between them are enough to get a solid read on me then I definitely need to put some serious work into my scum game.

Never said anything about a solid read, and by "good read" I mean what I believe my skill in reading you correctly in a game is, not just in early D1.

Iím trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons Iím not going to spell out.

New things are fun, let's not exile you D1

Are you joth's partner?
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« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2021, 01:29:06 pm »

Vote: Jimmmmm
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2021, 01:30:30 pm »

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: September 13, 2021, 01:37:28 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol

Oh whoops. I also lost Memento as scum recently. I'll keep digging for a real win.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: September 13, 2021, 01:38:59 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Say more about that.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: September 13, 2021, 01:40:48 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

I try to read everything. And sometimes I even re-read things.

Maybe you should reread that game you linked. I just took a look and you said you won but you lost lol

Oh whoops. I also lost Memento as scum recently. I'll keep digging for a real win.

I also lost as mafia in RMM56. Man, I'm not great at this game am I?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2021, 01:42:41 pm »

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2021, 01:44:07 pm »

Iím trying something new. Which in itself should probably suggest town for reasons Iím not going to spell out.

New things are fun, let's not exile you D1

But... what Joth was calling "new things" was just him opening the game by saying "Hi Everybody"

How can that possibly be a reason to not exile him?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2021, 01:44:51 pm »

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

Amazing.

Vote: Jimmmmm

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2021, 01:49:19 pm »

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2021, 02:01:59 pm »

Hi hi! I am SWAMPED at work today so I am falling a bit behind.

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.  I don't have any real read on math, e, Jimmmm, Swowl, or iguana.  Who else is playing? The fact that I don't know isn't a good sign.

I should be able to catch up this evening.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: September 13, 2021, 02:04:49 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Yes, I'm eager to get wagons. It's better to actually get people closer to X-1 or X-2 and see throughout the 5 or 7 days how people react, rather than having everyone at 1 or 2 votes until the final 6 hours when only the few online get a say in who gets exiled. If we get real wagons on many people throughout D1, then there's a lot more to look back at in later days. That's how we could find scum.

So I guess I agree with faust... hmmm, that makes me nervous. Oh well, it's D1. I can change my mind about him later if needed
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: September 13, 2021, 02:19:19 pm »

I hate that FDS meta makes it towny to do a thing I consider to be the most scummy (fishing around for a ďviableĒ wagon rather than properly scum hunting).

I actually believe itís possible to productively scumhunt without forcing a bunch of claims and giving scum cover to pull off a town exile, which is what wagons for wagonsí sake usually accomplishes. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: September 13, 2021, 02:33:49 pm »

Maybe it's that I don't know most people's playstyles well enough to "productively scumhunt", but wagon analysis is the best option I have most of the time.

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: September 13, 2021, 02:36:54 pm »

Prod dodge.

Reading along. Will be back this evening.

Ppe Math - in my experience, yes
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: September 13, 2021, 02:53:07 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Say more about that.
Wagons lead to wagon analysis which is good. Having wagons forces people to express opinions on the people that are wagoned when they might otherwise prefer to ignore them. It also forces the player that the wagon is on to engage, which also provides useful interactions.

I think if you went through the games on record you'd find that a bigger number of D1 wagons is positively correlated with town wins.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: September 13, 2021, 02:53:44 pm »

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?
If I tell you we'd have to kill him.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2021, 02:54:50 pm »

I hate that FDS meta makes it towny to do a thing I consider to be the most scummy (fishing around for a ďviableĒ wagon rather than properly scum hunting).

I actually believe itís possible to productively scumhunt without forcing a bunch of claims and giving scum cover to pull off a town exile, which is what wagons for wagonsí sake usually accomplishes. But I guess we can agree to disagree.

I, hilariously enough, disagree. I think my role fishing in RMM60 is what allowed me to get great reads, and that there is no better way to get them in a closed RMM. In this setup, however, role fishing is very anti-town and should not be done. It does provide excellent reads, but those aren't needed since town PRs are already almost always town.

Viable wagons are in practice the only wagons, and as such are useful for VCA.

Also what faust said.

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

why not?
If I tell you we'd have to kill him.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2021, 02:55:01 pm »

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.
I do not think discussing what sucm would and would not claim is a useful topic of discussion. Quite the opposite.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: September 13, 2021, 04:18:22 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2021, 05:34:52 pm »

"Why does this download always take so long? I just know I'm going to get stabbed in the back here," thought Red. Meanwhile, Orange walked around and saw Blue and Black together by some broken wires in the electrical room, Yellow filling up their gas can in storage, and Purple taking out the trash.

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iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (1): Jimmmmm
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2021, 06:05:04 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2021, 06:06:20 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote. 

I think you have this on speed dial. I used to scum read it. Now I think it's NAI.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2021, 06:10:45 pm »

Is there anything there that you'd like to be known? It matters for this game for your interaction with faust.
No, just offering evidence for not having super powers.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2021, 06:11:48 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW
Wait a minute - are you salty too?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2021, 06:15:42 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW
Wait a minute - are you salty too?
Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

This was true before, but not now: what do you think about math's answer to your question?

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: September 13, 2021, 06:32:46 pm »

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

So maybe RVS? But
I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?

MiX wanted my response to this. I don't play this way, but I know some people do. Meaning being influenced by existing wagons in placing a vote. Maybe that's why joth just voted me. But given that math exhorted others to vote MiX, I'd say this is not a satisfactory answer. I don't see how it can be RVS since he had reasons. Not random.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: September 13, 2021, 06:33:46 pm »

Come on people. MiX is a good wagon.

Here is the exhorting I mentioned in my last post.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: September 13, 2021, 07:50:27 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote. 

I think you have this on speed dial. I used to scum read it. Now I think it's NAI.
. By this do you mean that WCD frequently scum reads you early on?
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« Reply #153 on: September 13, 2021, 07:51:04 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote. 

I think you have this on speed dial. I used to scum read it. Now I think it's NAI.
. By this do you mean that WCD frequently scum reads you early on?

Yes, with that exact sentence.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: September 13, 2021, 07:56:03 pm »

@EFHW, obviously you're not voting. Any scum reads though?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: September 13, 2021, 08:07:53 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW
Wait a minute - are you salty too?
Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

This was true before, but not now: what do you think about math's answer to your question?

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.

lol. I voted EFHW because of a combo of trusting my town reads and PoE.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: September 13, 2021, 08:23:01 pm »

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.

lol. I voted EFHW because of a combo of trusting my town reads and PoE.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
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« Reply #157 on: September 13, 2021, 08:23:25 pm »

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.

lol. I voted EFHW because of a combo of trusting my town reads and PoE.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

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« Reply #158 on: September 13, 2021, 09:06:27 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.
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« Reply #159 on: September 13, 2021, 09:15:01 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Believe them. Or disbelieve them. Depending on your reads.
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« Reply #160 on: September 13, 2021, 09:21:09 pm »

Responding to EFHWÖ.

It is true that I scum read EFHW often. She is hard for me to read, no question. I find her cagey and super sharp, but for me the difference between scum!EFHW and town!EFHW is the quality of her questions. When sheís town, the questions are smart and incisive. When she is scum the questions donít do much or reveal anything.

Thus far in this game, I find her questions more like the latter than the former. Itís early in the day so this could change, obvi, but since yesterday her questions have not been probing, and today she has been defensive about a tiny wagon.

The post was the scummiest to me:
Enough digression/regression regarding the last game. How shall we get out of RVS?

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?

The assumption that all the votes thus far were RVS has been discussed by faust and others who donít think about their votes as random. So, the first assumption is flawed. And then her question isnít incisive or probing.

Itís just seems like EFHW-lite, to me.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: September 13, 2021, 09:28:47 pm »

Didds, have a cookie.

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« Reply #162 on: September 13, 2021, 09:48:58 pm »

Ok I know I just said Didds was town, but quick gut check: does town Didds push this hard this early? I feel like Didds isnít usually quite this confident or assertive in her Day 1 reads.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: September 13, 2021, 09:52:57 pm »

@EFHW, obviously you're not voting. Any scum reads though?

I'm feeling influenced by past games at the moment, so I'm trying to get oriented. It's only been one day, you know! I don't want to throw out names based on nothing. Give me some time.

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« Reply #164 on: September 13, 2021, 09:55:30 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Ok, Jimmmmm is scum because he's not engaging much. And then he does exactly what he's calling out for people not to do.

Didds, have a cookie.

Vote: EFHW

No explanation? I'm not sure what to do with that. Oh, how about
Vote: Jimmmmm?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: September 13, 2021, 09:58:48 pm »

Ok I know I just said Didds was town, but quick gut check: does town Didds push this hard this early? I feel like Didds isnít usually quite this confident or assertive in her Day 1 reads.

Iím trying to be more confident and assertive! So, itís true that it isnít characteristic but that is deliberate. Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/
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« Reply #166 on: September 13, 2021, 10:00:28 pm »

Responding to EFHWÖ.

It is true that I scum read EFHW often. She is hard for me to read, no question. I find her cagey and super sharp, but for me the difference between scum!EFHW and town!EFHW is the quality of her questions. When sheís town, the questions are smart and incisive. When she is scum the questions donít do much or reveal anything.

Thus far in this game, I find her questions more like the latter than the former. Itís early in the day so this could change, obvi, but since yesterday her questions have not been probing, and today she has been defensive about a tiny wagon.

The post was the scummiest to me:
Enough digression/regression regarding the last game. How shall we get out of RVS?

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?

The assumption that all the votes thus far were RVS has been discussed by faust and others who donít think about their votes as random. So, the first assumption is flawed. And then her question isnít incisive or probing.

Itís just seems like EFHW-lite, to me.

Apologies to those who don't feel they were doing RVS. I was stuck in it, so getting out of it myself was the main point of what I was saying. I actually think my question to mathdude was sufficiently incisive. Why is he calling for people to join him on the wagon at the same time he is calling it RVS, maybe, he isn't sure?

I am lacking insight into which posts sound defensive. Can you point to them?
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« Reply #167 on: September 13, 2021, 10:02:33 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Ok, Jimmmmm is scum because he's not engaging much. And then he does exactly what he's calling out for people not to do.

Didds, have a cookie.

Vote: EFHW

No explanation? I'm not sure what to do with that. Oh, how about
Vote: Jimmmmm?

If you read the preceding post you'll find that Didds offered an explanation for her read on EFHW.
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« Reply #168 on: September 13, 2021, 10:03:45 pm »

EFHW, This is the one that felt defensive to me

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

So maybe RVS? But
I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?

MiX wanted my response to this. I don't play this way, but I know some people do. Meaning being influenced by existing wagons in placing a vote. Maybe that's why joth just voted me. But given that math exhorted others to vote MiX, I'd say this is not a satisfactory answer. I don't see how it can be RVS since he had reasons. Not random.


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« Reply #169 on: September 13, 2021, 10:05:59 pm »

I don't see it.
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« Reply #170 on: September 13, 2021, 10:07:45 pm »

EFHW, This is the one that felt defensive to me

math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

So maybe RVS? But
I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?

MiX wanted my response to this. I don't play this way, but I know some people do. Meaning being influenced by existing wagons in placing a vote. Maybe that's why joth just voted me. But given that math exhorted others to vote MiX, I'd say this is not a satisfactory answer. I don't see how it can be RVS since he had reasons. Not random.


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Hmm I can see that.

I don't see it.

From an outside perspective, the bolded statements can look defensive.

I don't think that's quite what Didds was thinking about though, at least I would be very surprised to have the same thought process as her.

Didds, what did you see in that post that made EFHW sound defensive, and why?
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« Reply #171 on: September 13, 2021, 10:13:57 pm »

Itís perception, so I think itís fair for other people not to see it.

I see it as defensive because it begins with a deflection on the topic (MiX wanted an answer), then a shrug (I donít play this way but some people do), then a deflection (maybe thatís what Joth vote was).
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« Reply #172 on: September 13, 2021, 10:25:13 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Ok, Jimmmmm is scum because he's not engaging much. And then he does exactly what he's calling out for people not to do.

Didds, have a cookie.

Vote: EFHW

No explanation? I'm not sure what to do with that. Oh, how about
Vote: Jimmmmm?

If you read the preceding post you'll find that Didds offered an explanation for her read on EFHW.

So, sheeping? Do you trust Didds enough to do that here? Do you feel nervous yet with 3 votes sitting on you?
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« Reply #173 on: September 13, 2021, 10:32:41 pm »

I don't need any amount of trust to move my vote at this point.

No I don't feel nervous having votes without reasons. Presumably either reasons will come or they'll be moved before Day's end.
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« Reply #174 on: September 14, 2021, 01:47:32 am »

Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

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« Reply #175 on: September 14, 2021, 02:12:58 am »

I don't need any amount of trust to move my vote at this point.

No I don't feel nervous having votes without reasons. Presumably either reasons will come or they'll be moved before Day's end.
Or we'll exile you. That would be the preferred outcome.
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« Reply #176 on: September 14, 2021, 02:22:49 am »

Why's that?
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« Reply #177 on: September 14, 2021, 02:23:35 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
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« Reply #178 on: September 14, 2021, 02:37:27 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?
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« Reply #179 on: September 14, 2021, 04:40:42 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
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« Reply #180 on: September 14, 2021, 06:59:36 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.
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« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2021, 07:06:30 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.

It would certainly be bad if he flips town.
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« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2021, 07:23:53 am »

Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

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« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2021, 08:37:50 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.

i see Jimmmmm's question as simple curiosity tbh. But maybe I'm judging by myself. Let's ask Jimmmmm
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« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2021, 09:16:35 am »

Well really I find the idea of exiling (or pushing for one) without providing reasons absurd, both because you need to convince others to join you, and because you want to generate discussion that will help this and future exiles be more likely to be successful.

Really my question meant "Do you realise you implied that you want to exile me without providing reasons?" Turns out that was what he meant to imply.
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« Reply #185 on: September 14, 2021, 10:33:58 am »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.

It would certainly be bad if he flips town.
Not more than any town exile is bad.
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« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2021, 10:37:33 am »

Well really I find the idea of exiling (or pushing for one) without providing reasons absurd, both because you need to convince others to join you, and because you want to generate discussion that will help this and future exiles be more likely to be successful.
It seems like discussion happened despite my not giving reasons.
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« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2021, 10:38:49 am »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?
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« Reply #188 on: September 14, 2021, 10:41:13 am »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

I don't like this. vote: faust
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« Reply #189 on: September 14, 2021, 10:44:39 am »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

"[not exile you] without providing reasons" or "not [exile you without providing reasons]"?
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« Reply #190 on: September 14, 2021, 10:45:32 am »

Well really I find the idea of exiling (or pushing for one) without providing reasons absurd, both because you need to convince others to join you, and because you want to generate discussion that will help this and future exiles be more likely to be successful.
It seems like discussion happened despite my not giving reasons.

I'm not sure we're any closer to exiling scum.
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« Reply #191 on: September 14, 2021, 10:49:04 am »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

"[not exile you] without providing reasons" or "not [exile you without providing reasons]"?
The former.
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« Reply #192 on: September 14, 2021, 10:49:49 am »

Well really I find the idea of exiling (or pushing for one) without providing reasons absurd, both because you need to convince others to join you, and because you want to generate discussion that will help this and future exiles be more likely to be successful.
It seems like discussion happened despite my not giving reasons.

I'm not sure we're any closer to exiling scum.
So why did you engage in this discussion?
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« Reply #193 on: September 14, 2021, 10:51:15 am »

I didn't, until LL asked me a question.
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« Reply #194 on: September 14, 2021, 10:53:05 am »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

"[not exile you] without providing reasons" or "not [exile you without providing reasons]"?
The former.

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« Reply #195 on: September 14, 2021, 10:54:00 am »

I have reached the critical point of faust that I only want to misexile them.

Faust, do you think this discussion will help catch a wolf?
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« Reply #196 on: September 14, 2021, 10:57:12 am »

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?
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« Reply #197 on: September 14, 2021, 10:59:35 am »

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?

He's scummy.
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« Reply #198 on: September 14, 2021, 12:27:30 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Welcome to playing with MiX! And apparently faust is being MiX now too. I can't scumread MiX for it... But faust was doing this last game as scum for scum reasons and now he's doing it again.
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« Reply #199 on: September 14, 2021, 12:29:12 pm »

Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

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« Reply #200 on: September 14, 2021, 12:34:58 pm »

Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

oh, unironically welcome to the club

I bet my win record is worse than either of y'alls.

Don't worry, a good player such as myself has one of the worst win records, so clearly this means you're skilled.

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« Reply #201 on: September 14, 2021, 12:35:18 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
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« Reply #202 on: September 14, 2021, 12:46:21 pm »

I don't see the case for Jim at all. Looking through his ISO... he's done nothing but scumhunt. Is scumhunting supposed to be scummy now?

As for EFHW... I am also voting for her because of what I perceived as defensiveness. The majority of her posts so far (other than saying hello & asking a question to Math) are literally her defending herself... so I don't see how anyone can see it as anything but being defensive. I get that she was responding to having two votes on her before she'd even made a substantial post, but her defense seems over-exaggerated to me.

So for me EFHW is scummy because she has done hardly any scumhunting, even if I ask.
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« Reply #203 on: September 14, 2021, 12:53:38 pm »

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?

Because you're questioning it. That puts the chance out there that the two of you are partners.
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« Reply #204 on: September 14, 2021, 01:01:04 pm »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

TBH though, the interactions before and after this rang a little scummy to me. So my vote wasn't entirely without reason. Also, creating interaction, seeing who defends and who jumps on wagon is helpful too.
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« Reply #205 on: September 14, 2021, 03:09:21 pm »

Iím frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

oh, unironically welcome to the club

I bet my win record is worse than either of y'alls.

I didn't say you weren't in the club ;)
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« Reply #206 on: September 14, 2021, 03:10:53 pm »

I have reached the critical point of faust that I only want to misexile them.

Faust, do you think this discussion will help catch a wolf?
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« Reply #207 on: September 14, 2021, 03:20:12 pm »

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Welcome to playing with MiX! And apparently faust is being MiX now too. I can't scumread MiX for it... But faust was doing this last game as scum for scum reasons and now he's doing it again.
What is it that i am doing that I was doing as scum?
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« Reply #208 on: September 14, 2021, 03:21:49 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.
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« Reply #209 on: September 14, 2021, 03:22:36 pm »

I don't see the case for Jim at all. Looking through his ISO... he's done nothing but scumhunt. Is scumhunting supposed to be scummy now?
Can you point me to posts where Jimmmmm scumhunts?
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« Reply #210 on: September 14, 2021, 03:27:56 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.
This is in my personal QT from that game by the way, I could share that if it helps and if joth thinks it's fine. Otherwise joth can confirm.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: September 14, 2021, 03:30:39 pm »

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

"[not exile you] without providing reasons" or "not [exile you without providing reasons]"?
The former.

Are you suggesting that I should argue my own Towniness absent any arguments for my scumminess?
Yes.
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« Reply #212 on: September 14, 2021, 04:15:43 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.
This is in my personal QT from that game by the way, I could share that if it helps and if joth thinks it's fine. Otherwise joth can confirm.

I don't have a problem with it.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: September 14, 2021, 05:48:04 pm »

I forgot this game existed.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: September 14, 2021, 05:52:26 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

Which post was this?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: September 14, 2021, 05:53:44 pm »

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Last game was probably the first where I scumread faust while I was alive. I think I finally have a good read on him, and if so he's town here. I'm just not feeling unease when looking at his posts.

This seems pretty bold for a D1 faust read.
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« Reply #216 on: September 14, 2021, 05:55:07 pm »

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

Amazing.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Vote: Jimmmmm

Is this just some weird buddying?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: September 14, 2021, 05:55:59 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: September 14, 2021, 05:57:27 pm »

Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.
But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Yes, I'm eager to get wagons. It's better to actually get people closer to X-1 or X-2 and see throughout the 5 or 7 days how people react, rather than having everyone at 1 or 2 votes until the final 6 hours when only the few online get a say in who gets exiled. If we get real wagons on many people throughout D1, then there's a lot more to look back at in later days. That's how we could find scum.

So I guess I agree with faust... hmmm, that makes me nervous. Oh well, it's D1. I can change my mind about him later if needed

While I agree with this wagon stuff, ironically, it doesn't mean much after you have said it, because then people will just think that the first few wagons are unlikely to be exiled, which makes them easily controlled by scum. But also, that's why you have to have some surprise hammers now and again.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #219 on: September 14, 2021, 05:58:37 pm »

Maybe it's that I don't know most people's playstyles well enough to "productively scumhunt", but wagon analysis is the best option I have most of the time.

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.

Has anyone ever shown that wagon analysis is helpful? I mean I do it too, but do we know if it is meaningful?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: September 14, 2021, 05:59:59 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?


I feel like they are probably town. Or I at least need more data to decide.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: September 14, 2021, 06:00:54 pm »

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is ??? but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW
Wait a minute - are you salty too?
Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

This doesn't seem like scum!EFHW. Too bold.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: September 14, 2021, 06:03:09 pm »

Ok I know I just said Didds was town, but quick gut check: does town Didds push this hard this early? I feel like Didds isnít usually quite this confident or assertive in her Day 1 reads.

I think I agree with Joth here. I also would argue that EFHW has been defensive because she has an early wagon on her.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: September 14, 2021, 06:04:39 pm »

I feel like I'm seeing a lot more of EFHW D1 than is usual.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: September 14, 2021, 06:05:24 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works
Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.

It would certainly be bad if he flips town.
Not more than any town exile is bad.

Scum could likely get away easier on a wagon with no explanation.
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« Reply #225 on: September 14, 2021, 06:08:34 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.

Not sure, but I think it's that the reason would have looked "set-aside", which is maybe why you didn't give it (didn't read that game).
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« Reply #226 on: September 14, 2021, 06:09:57 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?


I feel like they are probably town. Or I at least need more data to decide.

But in that same post (the part I snipped) you gave another list of people that you didn't know about. So did you just make a quick decision on them being townie for now? If so, what has made them townie so far?
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« Reply #227 on: September 14, 2021, 06:46:20 pm »

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?

I feel like they are probably town. Or I at least need more data to decide.

But in that same post (the part I snipped) you gave another list of people that you didn't know about. So did you just make a quick decision on them being townie for now? If so, what has made them townie so far?

EhÖitís mostly gut reads. I thought Jothís ďHi Everybody!Ē line was nice, not scummy. Most of us just finished the game Joth modded so he was in it, but he didnít get to play. MiX is being town Mix. When heís scum heís more erratic. LL seems like his usual towny self. At the time I found faust towny mostly because he was asking towny questions. In the day since I wrote that, though, heís become more cagey and less forthcoming. Iguana on the other hand has moved up in towniness. So, I think Iíd  replace faust with iguana now.  Jimmm gave me a cookie. I like cookies. Not sure itís town, but Iím here for the cookie, for sure.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Signups)
« Reply #228 on: September 14, 2021, 07:02:20 pm »

White paused for a moment to look out the window and noticed that somehow their course had drifted straight into an asteroid field! They jumped on the weapons and started blasting the asteroids out of the sky, while Cyan jumped in the pilot's seat and charted a new course. At the back of the ship, Lime Green wondered where everyone was, so they sat down and watched the security cameras for a bit.

Vote Count 1.3

iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
EFHW (4): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): faust, MiX, mathdude
faust (1): LaLight

Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends September 18, 2021, 03:00:00 pm
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #229 on: September 14, 2021, 08:20:51 pm »

You want to exile me without providing reasons?
Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?
Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.

So can you explain what the supposed pro town reason of routinely hiding the reasons for your D1 votes is? Can you point to any recent town game where you've done this?

When I used to play with you, I have no memory that you withheld reasoning like this D1.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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« Reply #230 on: September 14, 2021, 08:24:16 pm »

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?

Because you're questioning it. That puts the chance out there that the two of you are partners.

For me personally finding partner interactions is too hard without a single flip and it's a sort of folly to try. That sort of things lends itself to confirmation bias easily.
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« Reply #231 on: September 14, 2021, 08:27:45 pm »

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

Which post was this?

The post he quoted. It was a sort of a joke because I made a longish post and asked Joth a question in it randomly. My thought was that a careless person wouldn't even see the question directed to them.
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« Reply #232 on: September 14, 2021, 08:41:39 pm »

I don't see the case for Jim at all. Looking through his ISO... he's done nothing but scumhunt. Is scumhunting supposed to be scummy now?
Can you point me to posts where Jimmmmm scumhunts?

Sure.

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth

Given that this was post #81, to me it was the most scumhunting post that had been made so far in the game. It struck me as someone who looked at what had been posted with seriousness and wanted to get out of RVS and into looking for possible scumtells already.

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

This shows someone looking for scum and not able to find any.

Didds, have a cookie.

Vote: EFHW

Here, Jim changed his mind and was convinced to vote EFHW based on a case by WCD. I guess what made this look like scumhunting to me is that he didn't vote EFHW (who was already a sort of alternative wagon to him) until WCD gave reasons, and implies that the reasons convinced him. As scum, I think maybe he would have already been voting EFHW before WCD made the case. So, it is sheeping, but it looks like sheeping because he's looking for scum.

Could he be scum just fabricating this? Sure. Anyone could be still. But on D1 I don't see the point to punish a player for scumhunting unless there is a good argument that they really look like scum themselves. So I think Jim is a bad vote.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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« Reply #233 on: September 14, 2021, 09:46:33 pm »


Here, Jim changed his mind and was convinced to vote EFHW based on a case by WCD. I guess what made this look like scumhunting to me is that he didn't vote EFHW (who was already a sort of alternative wagon to him) until WCD gave reasons, and implies that the reasons convinced him. As scum, I think maybe he would have already been voting EFHW before WCD made the case. So, it is sheeping, but it looks like sheeping because he's looking for scum.

Could he be scum just fabricating this? Sure. Anyone could be still. But on D1 I don't see the point to punish a player for scumhunting unless there is a good argument that they really look like scum themselves. So I think Jim is a bad vote.
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On the other hand, Jimmmmm is being more active than usual and you could say that he used the cover provided by Didds' case to join the wagon. I like seeing the participation, so I'm sorry to discourage it, but vote: Jimmmmm.

I also want to clarify that this:
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Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.
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« Reply #234 on: September 14, 2021, 09:53:39 pm »

On the other hand, Jimmmmm is being more active than usual and you could say that he used the cover provided by Didds' case to join the wagon. I like seeing the participation, so I'm sorry to discourage it, but vote: Jimmmmm.

Thanks for the reason!

It's tough when you have a reputation for inactivity. I'd like to get away from it, and it's not really worth playing if I'm not going to be actively involved in the game, but any attempt to be more active is inevitably going to be seen as scummy. I'm certainly not going to limit my posting in order to avoid suspicion.

If it helps, I'm stuck at home due to lockdown, so I have more time on my hands than I would otherwise have.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #235 on: September 14, 2021, 10:10:24 pm »


This was true before, but not now: what do you think about math's answer to your question?

Also I think it's obvious joth voted you because you were a wagon.
math, were you seriously pushing MiX, or was that more RVS?
If LL hadn't joined the vote already, I would have already moved on. But since there were 2 votes, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in joining too.

So maybe RVS? But
I donít know if I believe in RVS anymore.
Ditto?

MiX wanted my response to this. I don't play this way, but I know some people do. Meaning being influenced by existing wagons in placing a vote. Maybe that's why joth just voted me. But given that math exhorted others to vote MiX, I'd say this is not a satisfactory answer. I don't see how it can be RVS since he had reasons. Not random.
Itís perception, so I think itís fair for other people not to see it.

I see it as defensive because it begins with a deflection on the topic (MiX wanted an answer), then a shrug (I donít play this way but some people do), then a deflection (maybe thatís what Joth vote was).

This is decent textual analysis, but it is a misinterpretation. I think I introduced it the way I did because MiX's question wasn't in the quote and I wanted it to be clear that I was responding to him. Each of those comments was in response to MiX's previous post, acknowledging what he said about joth's vote and also noticing that math gave a similar reason. I then went on to criticize math's response. I kind of tunneled math last game (oh wait, I was scum), so I held back on voting for the moment.

Then I provided evidence for my observation:
Come on people. MiX is a good wagon.

Here is the exhorting I mentioned in my last post.

I'm still seriously considering voting math, but I'm learning that he can be kind of awkward and that could explain the confusion I have about is he joking or is he serious.

I really wasn't fussed about the two votes on me. It's pretty much par for the course after winning as scum in the game just finished.
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« Reply #236 on: September 14, 2021, 10:17:08 pm »


I feel like I should clarify some of this.

The joth vote was a tiny scum ping which was big enough to warrant a first vote. You could call it semi-RVS.

#158 was really less about scumhunting and more about trying to engage with the game and not knowing how to. The main thing I want out of a Day 1 is to keep up and be engaged in discussions. "[player] is [alignmenty] for [reasons]" is far more helpful to that end than simply "[player] is [alignment]". It's also worth noting that I was not talking about voting without reason, rather making statements with some degree of apparent certainty.

The vote on EFHW was a "reward" for WCD giving reasons for a read. I did not consider the state of wagons at the time.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #237 on: September 15, 2021, 12:51:09 am »

Having done some re-reading I'm less than convinced about the EFHW wagon and will probably move my vote soon.

Didds, do you think you could be tunneling EFHW?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: September 15, 2021, 01:52:30 am »

Maybe it's that I don't know most people's playstyles well enough to "productively scumhunt", but wagon analysis is the best option I have most of the time.

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.

Has anyone ever shown that wagon analysis is helpful? I mean I do it too, but do we know if it is meaningful?
There is a significant lack of research on mafia game theory unfortunately.

Scum could likely get away easier on a wagon with no explanation.
No they couldn't. It would in fact be harder for them to get away with that. If reasons were provided, then scum can just say "I agreed with the reasons given by gkrieg". If no reasons were provided, then they have to come up with convincing reasons themselves.

So can you explain what the supposed pro town reason of routinely hiding the reasons for your D1 votes is?
Yes, sure. The first reason is it makes it harder for scum to hide. As explained in my answer to gkrieg above, having reasons makes it easy for scum to engage with the case - they just choose to agree or disagree with the reasons. If reasons are not given then they have to actively come up with a fake read without the guide of reading other player's reads. That is harder and thus playing that way makes it easier to catch scum.

Secondly, the person who is being wagoned cannot just argue their townieness by arguing against the reasons. It's easy, especially on D1, to pick apart any reasons given for any wagon. It is harder to argue your own townieness. Thus the latter gives better insight into their alignment.

Thirdly, if I do not give reasons, I can vote someone for pressure and have them not know that is why, which makes the pressure more effective. However if I give reasons for any "proper" vote, then it will be obvious when a vote is just for pressure.

Finally, reasons are often not much more than a confirmation-biased reread of someone you already gut-read as scum. If you type them out you only lean more into that confirmation bias. And you've created a position now that you will feel that you need to defend, which psychologically makes it even harder to remain open and fight the bias.

Can you point to any recent town game where you've done this?
You can probably look at any recent game where I've been town. However I replaced out early from Memento and Dwarves was bastard, so the best reasource is probably M134. I have a bunch of unexplained votes there.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #239 on: September 15, 2021, 02:31:08 am »

You're basically saying "Let's not play the game so it makes it harder for scum to play the game". When everyone's a suspect, there's no way to force scum to give their opinions before Town, and trying to do so can only give scum a free pass to not contribute. What you're doing may serve you as an individual across multiple games, but it certainly doesn't serve the Town.
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« Reply #240 on: September 15, 2021, 02:42:51 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #241 on: September 15, 2021, 02:46:16 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #242 on: September 15, 2021, 02:46:51 am »

In fact, Vote: faust. Scum or anti-Town, you don't get a free pass just because you want one.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #243 on: September 15, 2021, 02:55:12 am »

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

TBH though, the interactions before and after this rang a little scummy to me. So my vote wasn't entirely without reason. Also, creating interaction, seeing who defends and who jumps on wagon is helpful too.

What interactions rang scummy? You say "before and after" this - are you quoting the post you didn't find scummy?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #244 on: September 15, 2021, 03:10:35 am »

Having done some re-reading I'm less than convinced about the EFHW wagon and will probably move my vote soon.

Didds, do you think you could be tunneling EFHW?

Oh, yes. That definitely happensÖ she even alluded to it earlier. And thereís some residual suspicion from the last game about both her and faust.  Iím not feeling rushed to move my vote at the moment since weíre only what? halfway through D1? My weeks are front loaded so Iím underwater at work now (thus why Iím up at 2am) but am out from under starting on Thursday. Plus watching her reactions and the wagon generally is really helpful to me.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #245 on: September 15, 2021, 03:21:28 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.
I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #246 on: September 15, 2021, 03:22:13 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.
I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with for the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: September 15, 2021, 03:24:22 am »

In fact, Vote: faust. Scum or anti-Town, you don't get a free pass just because you want one.
Oh yeah, and now a policy vote! I'm sure that is going to move the game forward.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #248 on: September 15, 2021, 03:26:43 am »

I am leading us down?

Yep. You have the most posts and zero helpful content. The only conclusion one can come to trying to analyse your game is "Why is he refusing to contribute?" So we either have to go ahead and give you that free pass, or argue with you about how anti-Town you're being.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #249 on: September 15, 2021, 03:29:25 am »

I am leading us down?

Yep. You have the most posts and zero helpful content. The only conclusion one can come to trying to analyse your game is "Why is he refusing to contribute?" So we either have to go ahead and give you that free pass, or argue with you about how anti-Town you're being.
In the very post that you quoted I have argued why what I posted was helpful content. If you disagree (which you do by saying that none of my content was helpful) then you need to argue against that.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: September 15, 2021, 03:31:16 am »

And so on down the rabbit-hole.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: September 15, 2021, 03:34:13 am »

Here is a selection of helpfup content. Please explain how the content wasn't helpful in each instance.
Vote: joth
Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!
Don't you think you can buddy me!
I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?
I was just about ready to vote MiX, and now you leave?
I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth
Tsk, I don't do RVS. I get offended when people label my votes as RVS, and more so if they label them as meaningless.
Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.
It's important to also read what is not said.
Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?
...okay, I'm going to stop here, you get my point I believe.

PPE: You are conflating two things there. It is helpful for me to argue my townieness. You claim it is helpful for you to give reasons for your vote, so you'd have to think it good to do that. The rabbit hole I was complaining about is useless meta talk about playstyles.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: September 15, 2021, 03:34:40 am »

On the other hand, Jimmmmm is being more active than usual and you could say that he used the cover provided by Didds' case to join the wagon. I like seeing the participation, so I'm sorry to discourage it, but vote: Jimmmmm.

Thanks for the reason!

It's tough when you have a reputation for inactivity. I'd like to get away from it, and it's not really worth playing if I'm not going to be actively involved in the game, but any attempt to be more active is inevitably going to be seen as scummy. I'm certainly not going to limit my posting in order to avoid suspicion.

If it helps, I'm stuck at home due to lockdown, so I have more time on my hands than I would otherwise have.

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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: September 15, 2021, 03:39:45 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.
I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.

I don't know about you, faust, but this post tells me you're both town.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: September 15, 2021, 03:41:35 am »

Vote: joth

Unexplained vote. Unhelpful.


Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!
Don't you think you can buddy me!

Sounds jokey to me. Are you suggesting this is an actual reason for a legitimate scumread on MiX?


I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?
I was just about ready to vote MiX, and now you leave?

Unexplained vote that never happened. If I was to infer a reason it would simply be to join a wagon.


I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that Iíll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. Itís a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth
Tsk, I don't do RVS. I get offended when people label my votes as RVS, and more so if they label them as meaningless.

You get offended at an RVS comment, but make no effort to justify it not being RVS or meaningless.


Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.
It's important to also read what is not said.

Cryptic and unhelpful.


Letís

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.
And that's scummy why?

Question about wagon theory. The only thing we can infer is that you think mathdude's attitude to wagons is NAI, which isn't helpful.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: September 15, 2021, 03:44:57 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.
I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.

I don't know about you, faust, but this post tells me you're both town.
I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: September 15, 2021, 03:45:12 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: September 15, 2021, 03:49:21 am »

I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.

And by refusing to talk about your reads, you're limiting discussion about you to this.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: September 15, 2021, 03:52:01 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.
I am focused on winning this game. If you want to have that discussion we can make a separate thread for it once this game is over.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: September 15, 2021, 03:57:30 am »

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.

What are you implying here?
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: September 15, 2021, 03:58:29 am »

I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.

And by refusing to talk about your reads, you're limiting discussion about you to this.
I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though. My votes are there, I tend to vote for my scumreads. Sometimes I even state my reads on players I am not currently voting for. You are free to use this information to infer my alignment. I am not sure how my giving reasons for every vote would help you in that process.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: September 15, 2021, 03:59:42 am »

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: September 15, 2021, 04:01:21 am »

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though.

Alright cool. So why the vote on me? Why do you think MiX is scum? Why did you vote for joth and iguana, and why change your mind? Would you go back to them, and why or why not? Any other reads, and how did you come to them?
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« Reply #263 on: September 15, 2021, 04:04:33 am »

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: September 15, 2021, 04:05:17 am »

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though.

Alright cool. So why the vote on me? Why do you think MiX is scum? Why did you vote for joth and iguana, and why change your mind? Would you go back to them, and why or why not? Any other reads, and how did you come to them?

Can you also answer this question?

Actually, can someone of the scum alignment answer this question too?
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« Reply #265 on: September 15, 2021, 04:09:38 am »

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.
In my experience the statement is about as likely to be correct as random chance once you restrict to only instances where townies say it.
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: September 15, 2021, 04:11:31 am »

Also, wait - the way I reacted to Jimmmmm makes him town? How does that make sense?
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« Reply #267 on: September 15, 2021, 04:14:33 am »

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.
In my experience the statement is about as likely to be correct as random chance once you restrict to only instances where townies say it.

It's not like I have evidence saying otherwise. But I don't really like how there's only been 2 wagons this entire day, and at least one of them seems to be entirely at random.

Also, wait - the way I reacted to Jimmmmm makes him town? How does that make sense?

The things he said that made you react like that, and the reaction itself, tells me that you subconsciously think that he's being honest and genuine.

It's probably the way you referred to his paragraph of useless things, it sounded like something only town can do (the paragraph, that is).
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Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: September 15, 2021, 04:15:52 am »

And uh I was also townreading Jimmmmm before this recent discussion.

Anyway, it would be