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[gkrieg13]

vote: Swowl

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I don't understand how this would make sense. You are saying that I am a re-director who took Dylan and made them target EFHW?
1. Not a Re-Director
2. Why would I do that?
3. What about the Jack result?

[Swowl]

I pretty much think GK is what I thought back on Day 3.
Red skum, had some way to ID other Cylons. Found Math. Went from there.

[faust]

Vote Count 6.1

Swowl (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl

Not Voting (2): EFHW, Cylons

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to exile. Day 5 ends August 08, 2021, 02:00:00 pm.

[EFHW]

Oh great, I'm the decider. A ton of WIFOM here. I strongly suspected gkrieg and trusted Swowl. So am I here because Swowl is the scum knowing I have had those opinions or because gkrieg is the scum knowing that I would make this very post and trying to make Swowl look bad?

I won't be deciding this quickly. Please do help me out posting extensively on your respective reasons for why I shouldn't vote for you.

[EFHW]

Cylons, if you are here and can vote, vote for no exile to say hello.

[EFHW]

Swowl, I was expecting you to shoot last night.

[EFHW]

Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?

[EFHW]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

[EFHW]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

[EFHW]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

[EFHW]

gkrieg,  remind me what other power you had besides investigating for Cylons.

[EFHW]

Glooble, are you around?

[Glooble]

Yeah just got here. For the record, I still think Dylan was lying.

[Glooble]

I’m leaning Swowl, but if I were you I’d take your time and reread. I should have some time to help with that today or tomorrow. No need to make a hasty decision.

[Glooble]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

I don’t think this is true. If Swowl is scum, I don’t think he’s a vig. I think vig is a fake claim to cover for the factional kill. So he couldn’t have done it twice since faust clarified that doesn’t apply to faction abilities.

[Glooble]

Oh wait. I can’t read.

Yeah that’s an excellent point. Certainly makes a Swowl exile look like the right move.

[Swowl]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

[Swowl]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

and now that we are all here...

You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.

It is GK 100%.

[gkrieg13]

gkrieg,  remind me what other power you had besides investigating for Cylons.

I could put a card from the discard back into the draw pile.

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).

It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.

If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.

[gkrieg13]

I think the central thing that points to Swowl being scum is the lack of kill N4.

The only thing that explains why there was no kill is Dylan blocking Swowl.

This is the simplest explanation. Otherwise, a bunch of people lied about their powers that had little reason to do so.