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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1125 on: September 06, 2021, 06:43:21 pm »

I think the clear discrepancy between faust and Swowl should be our focus. I think we have enough night actions to help confirm others for D4.

For setup/balance, with the "simple" roles we have, I'm going to assume 3 scum among 13.

If faust is town, Swowl is lying scum and we should vote him out (alternatively voting faust puts us at lylo, I believe).
If faust is lying scum, Swowl is 3rd party survivor and still basically puts us at lylo, regardless of which we vote out, if Swowl sides with scum.

Hence...
Vote: Swowl
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1126 on: September 06, 2021, 06:52:57 pm »

I think the clear discrepancy between faust and Swowl should be our focus. I think we have enough night actions to help confirm others for D4.

For setup/balance, with the "simple" roles we have, I'm going to assume 3 scum among 13.

If faust is town, Swowl is lying scum and we should vote him out (alternatively voting faust puts us at lylo, I believe).
If faust is lying scum, Swowl is 3rd party survivor and still basically puts us at lylo, regardless of which we vote out, if Swowl sides with scum.

Hence...
Vote: Swowl
I'm baffled you're not taking into consideration the very role you claimed. The one that gives a useful benefit when bad witches are exiled, and does nothing when 3rd parties die.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1127 on: September 06, 2021, 07:12:11 pm »

I think the clear discrepancy between faust and Swowl should be our focus. I think we have enough night actions to help confirm others for D4.

For setup/balance, with the "simple" roles we have, I'm going to assume 3 scum among 13.

If faust is town, Swowl is lying scum and we should vote him out (alternatively voting faust puts us at lylo, I believe).
If faust is lying scum, Swowl is 3rd party survivor and still basically puts us at lylo, regardless of which we vote out, if Swowl sides with scum.

Hence...
Vote: Swowl
I'm baffled you're not taking into consideration the very role you claimed. The one that gives a useful benefit when bad witches are exiled, and does nothing when 3rd parties die.

I'm baffled that you still haven't claimed yet.

For Town, as a whole, it seems best to get rid of Swowl, regardless of whether he is scum or survivor who could win with scum.

Given the simpleness of the roles, a watcher or tracker makes sense in this game, in my opinion. Thus, I believe Swowl's claim is more likely to be made up... survivor is an easy fake claim, plus his flavour name seems more made up. And as such, since I think he is the scum of the two, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to use my role tonight.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1128 on: September 06, 2021, 07:20:25 pm »

It's your turn pubby! Will you claim or no?

Why is this optional?
Since when am I not allowed to have free will

The question was for iguana
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1129 on: September 06, 2021, 07:22:04 pm »

So either Swowl is scum, or Didds and faust are hammering down together to try and frame Swowl.

With faust claiming Swowl visited MiX... what role could Swowl possibly have that he would want to target IC?

Sorry, I meant to respond to this…

No, I think my result is consistent with Swowks claim.

Faust and Swowl, however, have a contradiction. Swowl either targeted MiX (Swowl is lying) or he didn’t (faust is lying)

Since there is not a redirector, the contradiction can only be explained with lying. Similarly, if thrr we e us not a redirector then mathdude is town (my N1 result)
What makes you say there is no redirector?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1130 on: September 06, 2021, 07:23:49 pm »

have you used any?

Is this directed at me?
No. Read my claim again

yes yes evidently I am just fucking everything up this afternoon. mb

Well, you claimed scum.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1131 on: September 06, 2021, 07:27:10 pm »

It's your turn pubby! Will you claim or no?

Why is this optional?
Since when am I not allowed to have free will

The question was for iguana

I wanted him to say clearly whether he intended to claim or not, because he hadn't
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1132 on: September 06, 2021, 07:31:40 pm »

I'm not seeing the argument for exiling Dylan today. His flavor is coroner and he's a backup cop. What makes him more clearly scum than the survivor?

Why would scum Faust implicate the survivor (who could help him win) and not a townie?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1133 on: September 06, 2021, 07:38:04 pm »

If Faust and Swowl are both mafia, Faust made a gambit for town cred.

Mafia!Faust and survivor!Swowl makes the least sense to me. Faust could have claimed all kinds of things and he's just kneecapping himself by implicating a survivor who we may have exiled anyway.

town!Faust and survivor Swowl is unfortunate. It means we have a mafia redirector in play. But I question whether Faust was a top target for redirection last night.

To me, town!Faust and mafia!Swowl makes the most sense but it's not the only possibility.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1134 on: September 06, 2021, 07:44:24 pm »

I like that mathdude is thinking about exiling witches in terms of getting to use his role. Funny.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1135 on: September 06, 2021, 07:47:40 pm »

Alright....

Vote: Swowl

That's L-1
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1136 on: September 06, 2021, 07:49:33 pm »

K that’s enough then.
I am 1 shot deathproof.
If you exile me and there are  3 skum tomorrow I will just win with them. 
Was legit trying to side with town.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1137 on: September 06, 2021, 07:51:11 pm »

Faust is town
Dylan is probably town or the most baller skum on the planet with that claim.

It’s either EFHW/WCD/pubby or it’s the masons+pubby or maybe EFHW.

Choose your own fate.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1138 on: September 06, 2021, 07:51:43 pm »

*or maybe WCD*
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1139 on: September 06, 2021, 07:52:34 pm »

Has the role 1 shot death proof survivor ever existed? They don't even have to survive.....
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1140 on: September 06, 2021, 07:53:46 pm »

Joth chose his classic chill rmm-lite to debut a new concept he'd been thinking of... One shot death proof Uber survivor.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1141 on: September 06, 2021, 08:11:45 pm »

Faust is town
I mean okay so you targeted MiX then and MiX died
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1142 on: September 06, 2021, 08:14:33 pm »

Faust is town
I mean okay so you targeted MiX then and MiX died

No i just think faust is town bc he would never play it this way as skum.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1143 on: September 06, 2021, 08:29:49 pm »

I’m getting off a plane. Can someone do a vote count?

This aggro turn from Swowl means I’m gonna hammer him, assuming it’s a town wagon
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1144 on: September 06, 2021, 08:41:57 pm »

Not aggro. Opposite. Was trying to avoid it. Then L1 so had to give up the info.

It’s actually a pretty good spot for me lol i don’t actually think i care.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1145 on: September 06, 2021, 08:42:10 pm »

Phone vote count

Swowl: Faust, Glooble, mathdude, Iguana
Dylan: WestCoastDidds

5 to exile
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1146 on: September 06, 2021, 08:42:37 pm »

First time I've ever seen a claimed survivor be like, exile me
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1147 on: September 06, 2021, 08:44:11 pm »

Igu, hammer now or you want to talk more?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1148 on: September 06, 2021, 08:46:39 pm »

That would be the whole deathproof thing.

Also - not trying to come off as a dick, just trying to lay it out plainly.

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #1149 on: September 06, 2021, 08:52:35 pm »

I don’t think you’re a sick, but it sure sounds like you’re caught.
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