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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #425 on: August 26, 2021, 03:42:24 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I am baffled as to how e claiming hider convinced you to switch
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #426 on: August 26, 2021, 03:44:56 pm »

I don't think it's terrible to let e live and see if we can verify his hiding

How exactly would we verify that? With this claim, scum probably wouldn't try to shoot him, so he'll probably live (unless unlucky target). If a tracker or similar watches him, are they really going to claim D2 that yeah he hid where he said he did? That seems more likely to waste an investigative role than to actually be beneficial. Unless of course the plan is to let e live for several days and hope the tracker or whatever lives long enough to get other results before coming forward and confirming or rejecting this claim, but that doesn't seem like a good play either.

Yeah, there is no great way to confirm my role other than having an extra death and you get to see my flip.

It would have to be a vig shooting me while a tracker watched me with a watcher verifying I was in fact shot....

Just all sorts of not worth it.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #427 on: August 26, 2021, 03:46:55 pm »

Let's all vote Swowl
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #428 on: August 26, 2021, 03:49:44 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I am baffled as to how e claiming hider convinced you to switch

Because of reasons.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #429 on: August 26, 2021, 03:50:07 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I am baffled as to how e claiming hider convinced you to switch

This. Fantastic potential fake claim that could work with many power roles they could actually have for verification.

That being said iguana if you really care that much i mean… you could of just hammered.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #430 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:06 pm »

Vote: Galzria

I am baffled as to how e claiming hider convinced you to switch

Because of reasons.

What reasons?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #431 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:15 pm »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #432 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:35 pm »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #433 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:47 pm »

Let's all vote Swowl

I do not believe I have ever been looked at so much without literally a single reason ever being stated as to why I am skummy.
No defense on this one. Pure offense.
You are skummy for it, faust is skummy for it, and whoever the other person was (Dylan i think) is skummy for it.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #434 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:54 pm »

I don't think it's terrible to let e live and see if we can verify his hiding

How exactly would we verify that? With this claim, scum probably wouldn't try to shoot him, so he'll probably live (unless unlucky target). If a tracker or similar watches him, are they really going to claim D2 that yeah he hid where he said he did? That seems more likely to waste an investigative role than to actually be beneficial. Unless of course the plan is to let e live for several days and hope the tracker or whatever lives long enough to get other results before coming forward and confirming or rejecting this claim, but that doesn't seem like a good play either.

Yeah, there is no great way to confirm my role other than having an extra death and you get to see my flip.

It would have to be a vig shooting me while a tracker watched me with a watcher verifying I was in fact shot....

Just all sorts of not worth it.

Just a vig shot would work, right?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #435 on: August 26, 2021, 03:52:46 pm »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #437 on: August 26, 2021, 03:53:41 pm »

I don't think it's terrible to let e live and see if we can verify his hiding

How exactly would we verify that? With this claim, scum probably wouldn't try to shoot him, so he'll probably live (unless unlucky target). If a tracker or similar watches him, are they really going to claim D2 that yeah he hid where he said he did? That seems more likely to waste an investigative role than to actually be beneficial. Unless of course the plan is to let e live for several days and hope the tracker or whatever lives long enough to get other results before coming forward and confirming or rejecting this claim, but that doesn't seem like a good play either.

Yeah, there is no great way to confirm my role other than having an extra death and you get to see my flip.

It would have to be a vig shooting me while a tracker watched me with a watcher verifying I was in fact shot....

Just all sorts of not worth it.

Just a vig shot would work, right?

when you put it like that....yeah.  I suppose it does.

Plus, vigs don't shoot N1 if they are town anyway, might as well shoot me!
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #438 on: August 26, 2021, 03:53:48 pm »

What are those good reasons?

They are very helpful for scum to know.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #440 on: August 26, 2021, 03:56:17 pm »

Laughing at the IC trying to rolefish
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #441 on: August 26, 2021, 03:56:25 pm »

I think scum!Didds is more likely to forget Swowl was posted VLA (by both me and then himself), and the vote on Swowl, given their previous games together, feels like an intentionally aimed vote to show participation without actually engaging. It has a “I’ve got to make sure I vote Swowl D1 or he’ll be suspicious of me for not going at him” type vibe, and I could see scum!Didds overlooking the VLA while making sure to get that vote in.

Swowl, can you confirm this is the case?

Ok I am home.
This first because it is at me directly.

Answer is no. Or I mean "no I cannot confirm I think this is what would happen". I get what Galz is saying and if it was like ANYONE other than WCD and myself, it would have merit... but Short answer no.. long answer below.

This is all generalization...
When we are skum together, we try to simulate our buddy buddy normal nature because obvious reasons.
We she is town and I am skum, I lose. I don't know how to play it.
When she is skum and I am town, I am like 50-50 either way. And the only reason I am 50-50 is if she actually makes a mistake. Once I cultivate a town read on her, I am pretty locked in.

When we are both town, we tend to ignore each other until one of us posts "something something... and because I town read WCD/Swowl". Then the other one normally reciprocates, unless a weird ass game where there is a skum read by that point... and then we are hard core buddy buddy until the end.

Its kind of like peacocks or whatever... walk around in circles for a while and then one of them shows all the plumage and then the other peacock either tries to kill it or chill with it. We normally chill.

Now this is my first post back, so I need to kind of read up on the general game state thus far but I will point out two things. One obvious, one not so much.

1) Obvious thing - WCD voted me. A weak vote so meh, but still. This part of the argument I get from Galz... Except different reasoning. Not so much weird because it has a vibe too it, because she would know that she doesn't need to simulate that vibe.... but weird because it breaks the peacock dance ritual.

2) Not so obvious thing - Galz has been in countless games with WCD and myself, so he would know that we generally ignore each other. So making the argument he did, for the REASON he stated... is weird.

To expand on my previous post, read Swowl here.  Zero in on point number 2
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #442 on: August 26, 2021, 03:57:33 pm »

Laughing at the IC trying to rolefish

This game is pretty dumb when everyone has secret reasons to want and not want to vote people and you can't scumread it.

I'd rather make people slip up that it's due to their PR that they're doing things. Scum can't easily fake that without going hard into a fakeclaim.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #443 on: August 26, 2021, 03:58:54 pm »

Can we go back and Exile scum!Didds?

I’ll Exile e as is one of just a few ways to verify his claim and it’s actually better than exiling me given the options. However if it’s a pure stalemate or we can’t get to an actual better choice I’m still a better option than no-exile.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #444 on: August 26, 2021, 03:59:32 pm »

Can we go back and Exile scum!Didds?

I’ll Exile e as is one of just a few ways to verify his claim and it’s actually better than exiling me given the options. However if it’s a pure stalemate or we can’t get to an actual better choice I’m still a better option than no-exile.

Vote: Didds

e: L-2
Galzria: L-2
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As of right now.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #445 on: August 26, 2021, 04:01:14 pm »

vote: WCD
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #446 on: August 26, 2021, 04:02:01 pm »

@e: Do you die if you hide behind scum?

Sorry if this was answered somewhere.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #447 on: August 26, 2021, 04:02:38 pm »

I'm not around for deadline, btw.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #448 on: August 26, 2021, 04:02:49 pm »

Didds exile lame exile. Let's all go exile Galzria.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #449 on: August 26, 2021, 04:03:06 pm »

I'm not around for deadline, btw.

When are you leaving?
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