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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #400 on: August 26, 2021, 02:05:49 pm »

Actually, I'll try this first because why not

Vote: Swowl

Anybody? Anybody? Eh?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #401 on: August 26, 2021, 02:06:45 pm »

It's not that different from other games; I think you should always be wary of wagons that your townreads oppose unless you have a good reason to think otherwise.

Your townreads, sure. But the IC, unlike your townreads, has less information than anyone else, which is why your own reads are by default better than theirs unless there's a good reason to think otherwise.
Just because they know the alignment of 1 fewer players doesn't mean it's sensible to completely disregard their reads. The less-informedness of their reads compared to your townreads is made up for by the plus in trustworthiness; your townreads could still be scum, after all.

I think this is important enough to highlight again. Yes, I know my own alignment and that of MiX. Whereas MiX only knows his own. But I think if we're starting to get into effectively second lines of logic... I'm considering the reads of people I town-read, or similar... even if I town-read Swowl, for example, I should be much more wary of Swowl's reads if MiX says he doesn't trust the guy.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #402 on: August 26, 2021, 02:09:21 pm »

Does anyone else get the impression that flavour texts in vote counts might actually mean something? Is MiX Dorothy? Or maybe Toto?
Also, Vote: e

I am Dorothy. It was in the opening post.

I doubt anyone else's flavor will be revealed by joth.

For some reason, I thought it was alluded to without being stated. I went back to look, and I was wrong.

Also, probably not revealed by joth, but possibly non-connectable info about the game could be included.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #403 on: August 26, 2021, 02:10:33 pm »

I think the only people that should be wagoned today are e, Galzria, Didds and Glooble. If anyone else is exiled today and flips town, that will just make D2 really awkward.

Once again this game, I find myself agreeing with MiX.Swowl could possibly be added to the list though, as there has been since discussion about him (though not as much).
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #404 on: August 26, 2021, 02:17:04 pm »

I think the only people that should be wagoned today are e, Galzria, Didds and Glooble. If anyone else is exiled today and flips town, that will just make D2 really awkward.

Once again this game, I find myself agreeing with MiX.Swowl could possibly be added to the list though, as there has been since discussion about him (though not as much).

Swowl must needs be added to the list  8) Let's do a last minute exile the super buff snowy owl
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #405 on: August 26, 2021, 02:17:52 pm »

So I did a lot of analysis in my QT and used fuzzy maths to determine that of my null reads on e and Galzria, e is the better exile.

I have intent to vote for e.

Before I put him in a derphammerable spot (remember when I used to play JakeThaBaseballGod and Roadrunner were around), I would like to hear from faust and MiX why they think that Galzria is a much better choice than e.

I also would not mind to hear from Mathdude and Glooble why they think that e is a better choice from Galzria.

I think e's first post of the game was where my thoughts of e were tipped toward scummy (not the massclaim idea shortly after, that seemed to catch others... that's NAI to me). And he hasn't done much since that make me feel like he's gotten.

Galz on the other hand has basically flown under the radar most of the game in my mind. Only once starting to be targeted did some of his responses (specifically his first two on page 16) raise a bit of concern for me. I'd definitely switch to Galz if the e-wagon fizzles, rather than see no exile happen.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #406 on: August 26, 2021, 02:18:54 pm »

So, really like my Galzria vote after reading him.

- Opens with his joke about MiX being IC
- second post theory talk about the setup
- case on Didds is flimsy at best. In fact, the case is basically that WCD is not overtly aware of a V/LA situation. I would argue the opposite, that not being aware is more likely in town.

Speaking of which, really Galzria is super duper ultra aware. Like, scum level aware. So aware that he thinks everyone else is aware.

Then there are just more posts, the would exile/won't exile list, standard stuff.

But yeah, I like voting for Galzria

- I have opened with that exact same post to MiX in every game for over 30 consecutive games between this site and Jimmmm’s… with the exception of the last game I played in, where I was scum for the first time in a millennium and forgot (was scum with Didds & Math fwiw).

- Setup post is w/e. There were no real posts, didn’t feel like RVS’ing (don’t generally) but wanted to keep my engagement up - the longer I go without posting something the harder it is for me to get back into it later.

- Again, you’re making the same bad argument faust did. It is GENERALLY for MOST scum more likely that they’ll be more aware than their town!selves. That doesn’t hold true for WCD. She gets into try-hard mode when scum and attempts to go about checking every box, which almost always causes her to overlook something and get herself into trouble.

- Yes. I’m super duper ultra aware that Swowl was VLA. That generally happens when your roommate isn’t in the house for 4 days.

So basically WCD will catch herself as scum later if she is in fact scum? Cool, let's exile Didds day 3

Otherwise, yeah. All valid points in your defense. I still think you are a good exile
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #407 on: August 26, 2021, 02:29:44 pm »


So basically WCD will catch herself as scum later if she is in fact scum? Cool, let's exile Didds day 3

Sadly, it's a sterling and well earned reputation.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #408 on: August 26, 2021, 02:33:21 pm »

I have some work now, but will be around later

Didds Count

2.71828.... (5): Swowl, Awaclus, Glooble, mathdude, Galzria
Galzria (5): faust, 2.71828...., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW
Swowl (1): iguanaiguana
Glooble (1): Dylan32
iguanaiguana (1): pubby


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends at 7 pm on Thursday, forum time. That's in ~4:30 hours.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #409 on: August 26, 2021, 02:45:26 pm »

After reading both e and galz, I just think e is more likely to flip scum than galz. Also, galz, as e admitted, had really good points countering the case.

Vote: e

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If iguana had voted instead of posting intent to vote, I'd have declared intent to hammer, but since one of the two people not on the main two wagons is already paying attention to not derphammer, this is fine.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #410 on: August 26, 2021, 02:49:44 pm »

I'm probably gonna have to hammer that at some point.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #411 on: August 26, 2021, 02:51:33 pm »

Normal mafia rules apply.

Is there plurality exile?

No. If no one reaches a majority, there will be no exile.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #412 on: August 26, 2021, 02:57:54 pm »

Cowardly lion that I am, I will go ahead and claim.

I am a hider.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #413 on: August 26, 2021, 03:00:28 pm »

I thought about making some sort of commitment to hide behind MiX or something, but that is silly.

I want going to hide at all because it is really just useless and could only end in tragedy, but I will commit to actually hiding tonight so trackers, etc who for whatever reason want to target me can ask least see something
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #414 on: August 26, 2021, 03:01:30 pm »

So please, I may look fierce, but I am just a big harmless cat, scared of my own shadow
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #415 on: August 26, 2021, 03:12:28 pm »

e is town.

Next claim!
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #416 on: August 26, 2021, 03:12:49 pm »

Meanwhile back in Munchkinland, the Coroner gives his official report.

"These feet belong to the leader of the Lollipop Guild, a well-known and influential Munchkin. But more importantly, we have found trace amounts of dark magic around the house! Yes, this house did not fall by accident, this was the work of the Wicked Witches of the West and/or East!"

"And my magic senses tell me that the witch that did it is hiding amongst us right now!" Glinda says.

"Huh, maybe we shouldn't have let that sweet girl go off all by herself," says the Mayor. "Oh well."

"Where are we, what's going on?" ask Uncle Henry and Auntie Em as they stagger out of the house. "I sure don't think we're in Kansas anymore."



Vote Count 1.5

2.71828.... (6): Swowl, Awaclus, Glooble, mathdude, Galzria, Dylan32 (L-1)
Galzria (5): faust, 2.71828...., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW (L-2)
Swowl (1): iguanaiguana
iguanaiguana (1): pubby

Not voting (0)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends at 7 pm on Thursday, forum time. That's in just under 4 hours.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #417 on: August 26, 2021, 03:15:33 pm »

e is town.

Next claim!

Nah. Don’t think so.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #418 on: August 26, 2021, 03:16:23 pm »

Also, will be going to sleep here soon, won't be around for the deadline
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #419 on: August 26, 2021, 03:16:31 pm »

I don't think it's terrible to let e live and see if we can verify his hiding
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #420 on: August 26, 2021, 03:18:21 pm »

Morning was busier than expected.
Checking in, need a minute to read
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #421 on: August 26, 2021, 03:29:03 pm »

I don't think it's terrible to let e live and see if we can verify his hiding

How exactly would we verify that? With this claim, scum probably wouldn't try to shoot him, so he'll probably live (unless unlucky target). If a tracker or similar watches him, are they really going to claim D2 that yeah he hid where he said he did? That seems more likely to waste an investigative role than to actually be beneficial. Unless of course the plan is to let e live for several days and hope the tracker or whatever lives long enough to get other results before coming forward and confirming or rejecting this claim, but that doesn't seem like a good play either.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #422 on: August 26, 2021, 03:38:35 pm »

Vote: Galzria
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #423 on: August 26, 2021, 03:39:10 pm »

That's L-1.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #424 on: August 26, 2021, 03:40:03 pm »

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