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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #225 on: August 25, 2021, 03:35:22 am »

My perception of Awaclus this game is that his posts are generally more helpful than they usually seem to be. That is, they appear to be furthering a more visible agenda than normal (whereas he seems to normally play a less public game).

As he’s usually town this could indicate that he’s scum here - but I’m not yet willing to scum read him for play that I personally find more helpful.

"Awaclus is being more helpful than usual" has been a meme for at least three years now:

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

I have always been helpful, there's nothing unusual about that.

Never said you were or were not. Simply said my perception. That is my own, and is independent of however you view yourself, your actions and your play style.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #226 on: August 25, 2021, 03:41:57 am »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #227 on: August 25, 2021, 04:25:55 am »

My perception of Awaclus this game is that his posts are generally more helpful than they usually seem to be. That is, they appear to be furthering a more visible agenda than normal (whereas he seems to normally play a less public game).

As he’s usually town this could indicate that he’s scum here - but I’m not yet willing to scum read him for play that I personally find more helpful.

"Awaclus is being more helpful than usual" has been a meme for at least three years now:

Awaclus has been decidedly less painfully obstinate than I remember.  Has he changed (I know I keep asking this but I think it matters) to be more open and helpful?  If not, I’d lean more scum on him, since the one constant for Awaclus was that he would never do anything for anyone else, no matter what, and would always be completely convinced he was right.

I have always been helpful, there's nothing unusual about that.

It's a meme because of 1 or 2 scum games where you have been very helpful and also stomped town.

I don't think it's outrageous to say it's alignment indicative.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #228 on: August 25, 2021, 04:38:49 am »

It's not alignment indicative, it's just indicative of people not understanding Awaclus' playstyle.

When it comes to general theory/meta questions, Awaclus has always been forthcoming. It's just his reads that he plays close to his chest. A lot of people seem to lump it all together, assume Awaclus isn't willing to answer any questions, and then get surprised when he does. But nothing about his playstyle here is actually different.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #229 on: August 25, 2021, 04:52:40 am »

It's a meme because of 1 or 2 scum games where you have been very helpful and also stomped town.

But the fact that people keep saying it disproves it. I can't usually be more helpful than usual, but someone usually says it.

I don't think it's outrageous to say it's alignment indicative.

It's obviously not alignment indicative, I'm town most of the time when people say that.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #230 on: August 25, 2021, 04:55:45 am »

I don't think it's outrageous to say it's alignment indicative.

It's obviously not alignment indicative, I'm town most of the time when people say that.
That's not a good argument though, if something happens in the majority of your town games but all of your scum games then it's still alignment indicative.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #231 on: August 25, 2021, 04:56:45 am »

Can we now have a Swowl wagon please?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #232 on: August 25, 2021, 06:08:36 am »

Can we now have a Swowl wagon please?

Reasons?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #233 on: August 25, 2021, 06:26:20 am »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #234 on: August 25, 2021, 06:27:41 am »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #235 on: August 25, 2021, 06:28:34 am »

Can we now have a Swowl wagon please?

Reasons?
Yes!

It wasn't a yes or no question.
It is with the right interpretation. It's just one word, after all. I chose to read it as "Do you have reasons?"
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #236 on: August 25, 2021, 06:30:33 am »

That was not the right interpretation. "Reasons?" is much more likely to mean "Reasons please?" which is asking for said reasons, not asking if they exist.

Also, what reasons do you have to want a Swowl wagon?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #237 on: August 25, 2021, 06:34:24 am »

Sure, we can have one.

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #238 on: August 25, 2021, 06:36:02 am »

That was not the right interpretation. "Reasons?" is much more likely to mean "Reasons please?" which is asking for said reasons, not asking if they exist.

Also, what reasons do you have to want a Swowl wagon?
I have to say you talk less like an Innocent Child and more like an Innocent Boomer.

Here, I'll spell it out for you: I don't want to share my reasons right now. Other than saying we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #239 on: August 25, 2021, 06:38:11 am »

we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

We can make a wagon. Would you rather we build it on Awaclus, e, or you?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #240 on: August 25, 2021, 06:50:06 am »

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I highly recommend a Glooble wagon too.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #241 on: August 25, 2021, 06:51:58 am »

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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #242 on: August 25, 2021, 06:55:49 am »

Other than saying we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

That's not true though. We have had a wagon on e. I'm not sure how many people were voting for him and I can't check right now but I'm pretty sure it was like at least 3-4.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #243 on: August 25, 2021, 07:00:29 am »

we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

We can make a wagon. Would you rather we build it on Awaclus, e, or you?
I mean, out of these options... Awaclus. But we don't need to restrict ourselves to this bad pool.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #244 on: August 25, 2021, 07:05:17 am »

Other than saying we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

That's not true though. We have had a wagon on e. I'm not sure how many people were voting for him and I can't check right now but I'm pretty sure it was like at least 3-4.
You are right that that many people have voted for e in total, but as far as I can tell from skimming, it was never more than 2 at the same time, so I wouldn't count that as a wagon.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #245 on: August 25, 2021, 07:22:39 am »

@ glooble - what were in fact your reasons for voting pubby when you did?

Wanted to vote for someone who already had a vote on them in the hope of starting a wagon. Why pubby specifically of those options? That I won't say.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #246 on: August 25, 2021, 07:23:41 am »

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This is a bad way to go today.

What exactly have I been doing today that isn't consistent with my normal day 1 playstyle?
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #247 on: August 25, 2021, 07:26:09 am »

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This is a bad way to go today.

What exactly have I been doing today that isn't consistent with my normal day 1 playstyle?

Not explained anything you've done this game, for example.

I would love to know more of what you've done that says you're town this game though.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #248 on: August 25, 2021, 07:29:22 am »

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This is a bad way to go today.

What exactly have I been doing today that isn't consistent with my normal day 1 playstyle?

Not explained anything you've done this game, for example.

I would love to know more of what you've done that says you're town this game though.

That's not how the burden of proof works, and you know it.
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Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« Reply #249 on: August 25, 2021, 07:31:39 am »

I don't care about burden of proof, I would just like for you to talk about your play, posts and decisions this day.

You know I'm town. Now, it's time for me to know you're town.
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