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[Galzria]

Vote: Mathdude
I want to see some wagons and the days are short. Plus I just looked through his posts and there's nothing really there... yet.

I don't know Mathdude's meta at all. But I have a vague feeling from skimming some recent games that he's a common D1 mislynch. Am I right or wrong?

This post is interesting. The additional word at the end of the first line sounds like a call out to a partner ("Hey, you've posted, but nothing of content - make sure you engage more."),.. and yet despite the vote that iguana is placing on Mathdude here, he's simultaneously trying to deflect people from taking the wagon seriously with the second sentence.

[Galzria]

Vote: Mathdude
I want to see some wagons and the days are short. Plus I just looked through his posts and there's nothing really there... yet.

I don't know Mathdude's meta at all. But I have a vague feeling from skimming some recent games that he's a common D1 mislynch. Am I right or wrong?

That is right.

So why would you vote for him?

Hard to choose a vote. I feel that scum is trying to avoid anyone getting more than 1 or 2 votes... taking advantage of the fact that townies are not on the same page about things. I feel that scum don't want wagons D1 that town can look at later and solve the game using. Therefore I want to vote for someone that someone else who is trying hard feels is a good vote as well... especially because no one is interested to join me on voting Awaclus.

In short, I have several weakish town reads, or at least pro town reads. Faust is one of those, mathdude is not one of those... and I'm sheeping faust.

Here's another question. I assume faust knows that Mathdude is a common D1 mislynch. So why would he go there? Isn't faust still considered to be a quite good player?

MiX actually calls Iguana on it too - I'm not a fan of Iguana's deflection.

[Galzria]

@e, what made you think of massclaim, anyway? They are usually disasters for town Day 1.

What do you think this question will accomplish?

Mostly keep him talking. If he has some scummy scheme in mind, then let him dig himself deeper. What did you think I was intending?

I don't know, that's why I was asking.

And what do you think now?

I think that maybe it wasn't an attempt at rolefishing, but I'm not completely convinced.

I was trusting town!e to know what not to say, while challenging a possible scum!e to commit himself further. There was a spate of games some years back where it seemed that people were role-slipping left and right. I think we had a bunch of inexperienced players then, and e does not fit that description.

This series of posts, given e's town flip, stands out to me - but I can't decide if I agree with faust that it could've been an attempt by scum!EFHW at role-fishing, or if I think that it shows EFHW genuinely didn't know e's alignment (ie. EFHW is town).

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: pubby

[iguanaiguana]

Vote Count 2.II.4

Dylan32 (1): Swowl
Glooble (1): Galzria
pubby (3): EFHW, Dylan32, Iguanaiguana
WestCoastDidds (1): pubby
EFHW (1): MiX
Swowl (3): faust, WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not voting (1): mathdude

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 ends Thursday, September 2 at 10:00 pm forum time. That's in just over 8 hours.

[iguanaiguana]

pubby is really my top choice. That whole case by him was so off. It was scummy on its face, and the defenses of it were not great. Most people have interacted with pubby since his big posts, and he's also implicated a lot of people now. So yes I think it would be a high information flip.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, like yesterday, pubby is getting away with letting his early vote on a player who has no wagon sit there... and not participating at the EoD. town!pubby is a liability.

[Galzria]

Hypothetically, if we mass claim, then scum knows who is the doctor to roleblock and who is the tracker to shoot D1 and who is the vigilante to redirect onto the IC and we're screwed. We never get to catch scum out on their lying D1 claims because they know all of our powers and how to thwart them while we still know nothing real about them.

Mass claim is bad.

A lot of assumptions (knowledge?) about what powers scum has here; probably means nothing, but I wanted to note it for later just in case. Besides that, I agree.

I don't think these are very "bold" assumptions. Maybe replace Tracker with "Tracker/Cop" and then the Vig doesn't like "need to exist. But yeah, we have a start day IC... so just game creation wise, there kind of has to be certain roles for balance in a standard RMM.

I actually like Dylan calling out Iguana on this one ... and find Swowl's deflection scummy.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote Count 2.II.4

Dylan32 (1): Swowl
Glooble (1): Galzria
pubby (3): EFHW, Dylan32, Iguanaiguana
WestCoastDidds (1): pubby
EFHW (1): MiX
Swowl (3): faust, WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not voting (1): mathdude

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 ends Thursday, September 2 at 10:00 pm forum time. That's in just over 8 hours.

Is Swowl voting for himself?

[Galzria]

who brought up the mass claim orginally?

Got it. OK E! also skum points then.

Short days!

@e, what made you think of massclaim, anyway? They are usually disasters for town Day 1.

phishy.

These don't seem contradictory, but Swowl call's e's suggestion to massclaim scummy, but also calls EFHW scummy for asking why e wanted to massclaim. I'm not sure the logic seems entirely compatible, even if it's not contradictory.

[iguanaiguana]

CORRECTED Vote Count 2.II.4

Dylan32 (1): Swowl
Glooble (1): Galzria
pubby (3): EFHW, Dylan32, Iguanaiguana
WestCoastDidds (1): pubby
EFHW (1): MiX
Swowl (3): faust, WestCoastDidds, Glooble

Not voting (1): mathdude

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 ends Thursday, September 2 at 10:00 pm forum time. That's in just over 8 hours.

[MiX]

who brought up the mass claim orginally?

Got it. OK E! also skum points then.

Short days!

@e, what made you think of massclaim, anyway? They are usually disasters for town Day 1.

phishy.

These don't seem contradictory, but Swowl call's e's suggestion to massclaim scummy, but also calls EFHW scummy for asking why e wanted to massclaim. I'm not sure the logic seems entirely compatible, even if it's not contradictory.

Why did you quote these in reverse chronological order? Swowl didn't know e brought up the massclaim when he said EFHW's post was phishy.

[WestCoastDidds]

Also, like yesterday, pubby is getting away with letting his early vote on a player who has no wagon sit there... and not participating at the EoD. town!pubby is a liability.

I also find this super annoying. It’s definitely antitown. My question is does scum!pubby come in hot with his game solve right off the bat knowing it will draw so much heat? I can’t say that I know or read pubby well, but that seems like he’s making himself a target.

MiX, you’ve been scum with pubby. What do you think?

PPE: thank you!

[MiX]

Also, like yesterday, pubby is getting away with letting his early vote on a player who has no wagon sit there... and not participating at the EoD. town!pubby is a liability.

I also find this super annoying. It’s definitely antitown. My question is does scum!pubby come in hot with his game solve right off the bat knowing it will draw so much heat? I can’t say that I know or read pubby well, but that seems like he’s making himself a target.

MiX, you’ve been scum with pubby. What do you think?

PPE: thank you!

I think pubby's town. I also think this could be scum!pubby. pubby likes making plays as scum, and this case is technically a play. It's just not a scum play.

[Galzria]

who brought up the mass claim orginally?

Got it. OK E! also skum points then.

Short days!

@e, what made you think of massclaim, anyway? They are usually disasters for town Day 1.

phishy.

These don't seem contradictory, but Swowl call's e's suggestion to massclaim scummy, but also calls EFHW scummy for asking why e wanted to massclaim. I'm not sure the logic seems entirely compatible, even if it's not contradictory.

Why did you quote these in reverse chronological order? Swowl didn't know e brought up the massclaim when he said EFHW's post was phishy.

Because the first didn't stand out to me until I got to the second. I hit quote on the second, went back and grabbed the first and inserted it into my post.

The order doesn't really matter though from Swowl's perspective. It's weird to think that both suggestion Mass Claim is scummy, and thinking that questioning that suggestion is scummy.

[iguanaiguana]

I think it is totally silly to talk about scum pubby's meta when the only time he's EVER been scum was in a bastard game where literally everyone was a redirector and he pretended to be a bud light fruit vendor!

[MiX]

I think it is totally silly to talk about scum pubby's meta when the only time he's EVER been scum was in a bastard game where literally everyone was a redirector and he pretended to be a bud light fruit vendor!

It is not silly at all. People believed him, after all.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think it is totally silly to talk about scum pubby's meta when the only time he's EVER been scum was in a bastard game where literally everyone was a redirector and he pretended to be a bud light fruit vendor!

That’s true. Absent his meta though, I’m just not sure the game solve is a scum move. Exiling him for lurking isn’t a bad argument, either. But I think both EFHW and Swowl actually have some scummier moves.

[MiX]

If we're policy exiling, we should mass claim.

This is not a joke either.

[Galzria]

Also, like yesterday, pubby is getting away with letting his early vote on a player who has no wagon sit there... and not participating at the EoD. town!pubby is a liability.

I also find this super annoying. It’s definitely antitown. My question is does scum!pubby come in hot with his game solve right off the bat knowing it will draw so much heat? I can’t say that I know or read pubby well, but that seems like he’s making himself a target.

MiX, you’ve been scum with pubby. What do you think?

PPE: thank you!

I think pubby's town. I also think this could be scum!pubby. pubby likes making plays as scum, and this case is technically a play. It's just not a scum play.

I also think pubby is town right now. I don't think scum lets themselves be the lone person off a wagon end of day 1, especially when neither of those wagons matters to scum so there's no reason NOT to be on board. There's just no reason to draw unsolicited attention by being the lone wolf, whereas town is generally less concerned.

[Swowl]

who brought up the mass claim orginally?

Got it. OK E! also skum points then.

Short days!

@e, what made you think of massclaim, anyway? They are usually disasters for town Day 1.

phishy.

These don't seem contradictory, but Swowl call's e's suggestion to massclaim scummy, but also calls EFHW scummy for asking why e wanted to massclaim. I'm not sure the logic seems entirely compatible, even if it's not contradictory.

logic was/is E! skummy for bringing it up and then EFHW skummy for bringing it back up. which in hindsight, since E! was Town... makes EFHW's stand out a little more.

[iguanaiguana]

I think it is totally silly to talk about scum pubby's meta when the only time he's EVER been scum was in a bastard game where literally everyone was a redirector and he pretended to be a bud light fruit vendor!

It is not silly at all. People believed him, after all.

I'm not talking about his play during that game. All I am saying is that comparing that game to this game is apples to oranges.

[Galzria]

Actually.

Vote: EFHW

Awaclus was town. I have reasons to not want to exile WCD/faust today that will hopefully resolve themselves over the next few game days. If they are both town, then EFHW is the last person on my wagon. As I don't think pubby is scum, and I doubt all scum were on e (although entirely possible), that leaves EFHW by process of elimination.

[iguanaiguana]

If we're policy exiling, we should mass claim.

This is not a joke either.

For me, pubby is not a policy exile. It's a good chance to hit scum exile. I am just giving reasons for people on the fence to join in. I already made the case against him. Also, we can't do a mass claim right now because there's no gaurantee that everyone would show up, get on board, and be able to claim before deadline. In fact, I'd call it very unlikely.

[iguanaiguana]

Request prod on pubby
Request prod on Mathdude

I don't want them kicked out. But please mod can you send them a message and ask them to come back to the game?