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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1725 on: April 27, 2021, 03:10:26 am »

With the game concluded, it is time to choose end-of-game modifications to the rules. There will be one communal vote on changes, and afterwards another vote only among the winners. The modifications to get the most votes will affect future games. You may vote No Change. Here are the possible modifications:

Game Modifications available

Add player slot
In all future games, there will be 15 players in the game rather than 14. Signups will be opened for this slot. The new player starts with 3 legacy points per finished game.

Add card to the executive order deck
Choose one of the following cards to be added to the deck:
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Course for Kobol
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
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Judicial reform
Today, the votes of the President and Vice President each count as two votes. This does not impact the number of votes required to exile.
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Special Counsel
Pick a player when choosing this. After this Night, that player's alignment will be revealed, and there will be an additional Night phase.
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Vote of Confidence
Trigger a Presidential Election. The current President cannot be exiled today.

Remove card from the executive order deck
Pick any card in the executive order deck and remove it from the campaign.

Bankable deadlines
This changes the rules for deadlines as follows: The first Day phase lasts for as many days as twice the amount of players in the game. All subsequent Day phases last 3 days. When a Day ends prior to the deadline, all time left over in that Day will be carried over as extra time for the following Day.

Day 1 plurality exile
In the first Day, an exile will always occur, even when no player reaches the number of votes needed to exile. In that case, the exile will be the player with the most votes at the end of the Day. Tiebreakers are, in order:
- the vote of the President
- the vote of the Vice President or Admiral
- the number of prods the players in question received
- the number of civilian votes on the players
- town-aligned players flip before non-town-aligned players

Separate military from government
Remove the role of Vice President from the game. Add the role of Admiral to the game. Executive orders now work as follows: The Admiral draws 3 cards, discards one, the President receives the remaining cards and chooses one to enact.
The Admiral can secretly choose a successor. When they are removed from the game, their successor takes their place. Otherwise, a random military player becomes Admiral.

Term limits
Whenever a President reaches their third Day in office, trigger an election, in which that player cannot be voted for.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1726 on: April 27, 2021, 03:11:00 am »

gah! well played everyone!
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1727 on: April 27, 2021, 03:20:25 am »

Sigh...god dammit. Ash! Trust me, at least once in your life! We could've won that had we all voted Dylan instantly like I wanted!

Am I still president?
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1728 on: April 27, 2021, 03:20:40 am »

Every player should indicate in their personal QT whether they wish to Keep their character or Switch to another character. This is void if your character has been removed from the campaign.

The President may choose one character that was sent to the brig this game and remove them from the campaign.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Day 5)
« Reply #1729 on: April 27, 2021, 06:48:17 am »

I get where you're coming from here, but there's something I've mentioned before that's relevant: I don't have to be alive in order to win, so scum can't make me collaborate just by threatening to kill me

Sorry, one more, didn't post my response to this -- clearly a survivor would be expected to lie about this, no?  I mean, that's "how to survive as a survivor" 101.

Channeling my inner LaLight (RIP), this is an AMAZING point.

Is there any kind of double or team survivor role? (i.e. could they both be survivors?)

scola, what did you mean here about channeling inner LaLight? :)
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1730 on: April 27, 2021, 06:52:18 am »

That was fun. Not the best outcome for me, I lost out on some legacy points, but it was interesting to play such an odd win condition
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1731 on: April 27, 2021, 06:53:32 am »

I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1732 on: April 27, 2021, 06:57:42 am »

That was fun. Not the best outcome for me, I lost out on some legacy points, but it was interesting to play such an odd win condition

Did you win more if town won or something?

I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes

Nooooo, not admiral! I like day 1 plurality, but for the other one I wanted a new order, either Course for Kobol or Special Counsel. But, of course, I'm heavily biased.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1733 on: April 27, 2021, 07:01:16 am »

I'm looking at Day 1 plurality exile and the admiral role as changes

Agree on both.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1734 on: April 27, 2021, 07:01:45 am »

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1735 on: April 27, 2021, 07:02:09 am »

For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1736 on: April 27, 2021, 07:03:08 am »

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1737 on: April 27, 2021, 07:03:23 am »

For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery

Keep what a mystery?  The rule changes?  I'm fairly sure those would have to be public.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1738 on: April 27, 2021, 07:04:09 am »

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.

That was the reason we lost! What the hell! They're not a survivor!

For fuck's sake ash, how can you still be like this when we literally got endgamed because we didn't kill scum. Had Dylan been exiled, even 3 kills wouldn't had endgamed us.

For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery

That's fair.

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.

Oh come on ash. We both voted Robz.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1739 on: April 27, 2021, 07:04:50 am »

Sigh...god dammit. Ash! Trust me, at least once in your life! We could've won that had we all voted Dylan instantly like I wanted!

Am I still president?

I was never voting Dylan.  You ensured that.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1740 on: April 27, 2021, 07:04:55 am »

For legacy reasons, l'll keep it a mystery

Keep what a mystery?  The rule changes?  I'm fairly sure those would have to be public.

I was talking about mix's question about my legacy points
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« Reply #1741 on: April 27, 2021, 07:05:35 am »

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.

I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring
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« Reply #1742 on: April 27, 2021, 07:05:50 am »

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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1743 on: April 27, 2021, 07:05:53 am »

Basically, if you want to convince me to do something, your only hope is to not talk about it at all, I think.  If you try to convince me, I'll think you are lying.  If you try to convince me of the opposite just to get me to go against you, I'll assume that's what you are doing.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1744 on: April 27, 2021, 07:06:09 am »

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.

I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring

Probably MiX shot someone.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1745 on: April 27, 2021, 07:07:23 am »

Basically, if you want to convince me to do something, your only hope is to not talk about it at all, I think.  If you try to convince me, I'll think you are lying.  If you try to convince me of the opposite just to get me to go against you, I'll assume that's what you are doing.

Then learn how to read me better. Don't blame me for not trusting what I'm trying to say because I'm trying to convince you. I'm not going to change my speech based on everyone else's wisher. If everyone thinks like that, sure, but I can't simultaneously want to convince other people by saying the truth and convince you by saying the opposite.

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.

I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring

Probably MiX shot someone.

Fuck. I would've shot Dylan if I could. Ash just stop with these accusations.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1746 on: April 27, 2021, 07:07:32 am »

I mean, congrats mafia, I guess.

Although, and no offense meant, but town lost this game way more than mafia won it.  And I'm accepting any blame that is to go around, as I assume I took the loss as town here since I wasn't listed in the winning players list.

@Mafia team: why didn't you recruit me?  I thought I was pretty clearly signaling to you.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1747 on: April 27, 2021, 07:09:12 am »

I need this out of my system, because we're gonna be playing a lot more legacy games together, and if we end up being town again we're just going to mutually destroy each other like we're doing now.

I personally think it's okay to do it in this thread, but if you/faust/anyone wants to redirect this to PMs, I'd be happy to.

I mean, congrats mafia, I guess.

Although, and no offense meant, but town lost this game way more than mafia won it.  And I'm accepting any blame that is to go around, as I assume I took the loss as town here since I wasn't listed in the winning players list.

@Mafia team: why didn't you recruit me?  I thought I was pretty clearly signaling to you.

Yeah, town lost pretty badly, and we're all to blame: even I voted Robz when Jack was significantly more scummy if I took an objective look at things.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1748 on: April 27, 2021, 07:09:35 am »

Basically, if you want to convince me to do something, your only hope is to not talk about it at all, I think.  If you try to convince me, I'll think you are lying.  If you try to convince me of the opposite just to get me to go against you, I'll assume that's what you are doing.

Then learn how to read me better. Don't blame me for not trusting what I'm trying to say because I'm trying to convince you. I'm not going to change my speech based on everyone else's wisher. If everyone thinks like that, sure, but I can't simultaneously want to convince other people by saying the truth and convince you by saying the opposite.

I'm curious how mafia got 3 NKs in one night.  Seems...hard to defeat.

Scola played the best of the mafia-aligned players, in my opinion, although MiX definitely should be MVP for ensuring their win.

I'm assuming at least one of those was a big misfiring

Probably MiX shot someone.

Fuck. I would've shot Dylan if I could. Ash just stop with these accusations.

I'm 100% sure you are playing for your own personal gains here -- legacy, meta, etc.  If losing game put you in a better position for future games, I'm sure you would do it.

And yes, I definitely would to.  I'm not "blaming" you, I'm pointing out what I think is going on.  There's a difference.  You aren't doing anything wrong or breaking any rules.  I would, in fact, fall on the side of arguing that you are doing exactly what you should be doing.  It's just frustrating for those of us who are not gaining from it.
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Re: RMM59: Battlestar Galactica Legacy - Season 1 (Postgame)
« Reply #1749 on: April 27, 2021, 07:10:28 am »

Jack did well to use newbie status to survive.  I would definitely have coached him to do the same.  That was just smart play.
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