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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #350 on: February 25, 2021, 10:28:51 am »

I'd rather exile MiX than mathdude.

Vote: MiX
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #351 on: February 25, 2021, 10:30:06 am »

I'd rather exile MiX than mathdude.

Vote: MiX

Yeah no shit.

Vote: math, that's E-1

Good job everyone. What a horrible EoD.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #352 on: February 25, 2021, 10:33:52 am »

everyone disagreeing with all of my reads, pushing the new guy instead of my scumreads

A few posts ago you were acknowledging having barged into my attempt to question faust because you were casting about for a new wagon to have scureads on...
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #353 on: February 25, 2021, 10:35:55 am »

everyone disagreeing with all of my reads, pushing the new guy instead of my scumreads

A few posts ago you were acknowledging having barged into my attempt to question faust because you were casting about for a new wagon to have scureads on...

How is that contradictory?
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #354 on: February 25, 2021, 10:43:17 am »

Why was ash saying that E-1 is equivalent to hammer?
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #355 on: February 25, 2021, 10:45:50 am »

Why was ash saying that E-1 is equivalent to hammer?

Presumably because he is unable to contain himself and has to hammer things...
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #356 on: February 25, 2021, 10:48:08 am »

everyone disagreeing with all of my reads, pushing the new guy instead of my scumreads

A few posts ago you were acknowledging having barged into my attempt to question faust because you were casting about for a new wagon to have scureads on...

How is that contradictory?

I feel like lamenting the fact that nobody follows your scumreads, and then also saying that you did something specifically because you needed a new scumread seems a bit contradictory. What am I missing?
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #357 on: February 25, 2021, 10:51:41 am »

Another Space count, since it's interesting:

mathdude (6): Dylan32, faust, jotheonah, EFHW, ashersky, MiX
jotheonah (1): mcmcsalot
MiX (5): gkrieg13, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, SpaceAnemone, Robz888

Also relevant: the deadline is 22:40 forum time tomorrow, which is the middle of the night for me, faust and MiX at least.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #358 on: February 25, 2021, 10:53:07 am »

Also relevant: the deadline is 22:40 forum time tomorrow, which is the middle of the night for me, faust and MiX at least.

Assuming people are still in the countries I think they're in. I realise it's been a while...
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #359 on: February 25, 2021, 11:05:41 am »

everyone disagreeing with all of my reads, pushing the new guy instead of my scumreads

A few posts ago you were acknowledging having barged into my attempt to question faust because you were casting about for a new wagon to have scureads on...

How is that contradictory?

I feel like lamenting the fact that nobody follows your scumreads, and then also saying that you did something specifically because you needed a new scumread seems a bit contradictory. What am I missing?

Okay, yes, I don't have a lot of scumreads.

Sigh, maybe you're right. But there were like no wagons other than math's.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #360 on: February 25, 2021, 12:18:06 pm »

Are we... actually going to exile mathdude instead of running him up to E-1, forcing a claim, and then panic exiling someone else?

If so, great, let’s put it to bed.

If not, let’s get on with it so we have slightly more time for the bad panic exile (I nominate Robz).

So is this the way things work here?  Run up to E-1, force a claim, and decide from there?  Also, why Robz as a "panic exile"?  I mean, MiX is pretty close already, so let's just go there!

Vote: MiX

I'm one of the people who thinks that even town!MiX is kind of a gift to scum sometimes, and I'm not sure this is town!MiX. There's just too much flaily posting.

Still not sold on mathdude's scumminess being so much alignment-indicative than newbie-indicative that I want to jump on there, but I'm not so averse to it that I wouldn't move my vote to get an exile through. I remember that it took time to adapt to this version of mafia over the flipless werewolf I used to play, and in particular I felt pressured to be very defensive, and took it really seriously if I was under pressure, which I think probably made my play read even worse to a lot of people (hi gkrieg!), so I have sympathy with that.

if Math flips scum this post is massive.

Math doesn't flip scum.  Math shouldn't flip at all tonight, because ... well... umm...
I wish I could just rely on the new guy thing and go back to a day-1 pass, but that's not in the spirit of the game.  And that's why I didn't just sit around and observe.  I've been as active as I can, trying to be involved.  And apparently I don't follow all your conventions.  I'll learn and adapt slightly over my first few games.

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mathdude (6): Dylan32, faust, jotheonah, EFHW, ashersky, MiX
jotheonah (1): mcmcsalot
MiX (5): gkrieg13, WestCoastDidds, mathdude, SpaceAnemone, Robz888

Also relevant: the deadline is 22:40 forum time tomorrow, which is the middle of the night for me, faust and MiX at least.

Well, it looks like my hand has been forced.  Earlier, in the discussion about why I "know" I'll be around day-2 (side note - I don't know, I was just hoping, and want to be able to use some of the information that might come out after night-1 to help figure things out), there were 3 option given... sorry, I'm not going to look for and quote the post.
1. scum
2. PR
3. VT trying to draw the night kill to protect power roles

I'm not scum.  And I'm not going to claim VT... maybe if I had not posted quite so much, or dropped breadcrumbs, I could have claimed this.  But I can't.  Infer as you may.

What I am saying is that I need to get a little info about who is most likely to be scum.  I'm more useful that way.  And I'm not just talking about who we want to vote for.  I need better read who is the most dangerous this game.

Is that enough info?  Or does scum want to try to draw more out of me?  I'm sorry if this means a bodyguard (assuming we have one... having 2-5 PRs and IC isn't one of them) is wasted/used up if I do make it through this vote.  But I'm more valuable alive than dead, I hope.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #361 on: February 25, 2021, 12:50:23 pm »

Huh, at this stage you've pretty much outed yourself as scum or a strong scum target, so I'm not sure the benefit of keeping your specific role quiet outweighs the twin benefits of firstly saying exactly what it is so that town can collectively suggest targets and secondly being forced to say what it is so that if you're E-1 scum having to pick a claim, then at least we have a chance of outing you through forcing you to guess at something someone could counterclaim.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #362 on: February 25, 2021, 12:51:35 pm »

I really think we should not exile mathdude, guys.

MiX is a great exile because at worst, we exiled MiX.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #363 on: February 25, 2021, 12:53:18 pm »

Swowl, could you confirm whether it's possible in your interpretation of this set-up for us to have multiple copies of the same town role?

I think it isn't technically forbidden in the setup text, it's just that I read it and assumed that the "selected from" in the town roles is done without replacement...
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #364 on: February 25, 2021, 12:54:53 pm »

I'm pretty sure there can't be multiple copies.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #365 on: February 25, 2021, 01:04:57 pm »

Ok, that claim leads me to believe it was an indirect claim of a specific role. If I'm right, I don't think I want to unvote because it's the best of the options for scum to fakeclaim. If I'm actually wrong, I would move. So I think at this point, like Space said, you should probably just be specific.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #366 on: February 25, 2021, 01:06:34 pm »

Intent to make someone hammer math

That's a traitor claim if I've ever seen one.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #367 on: February 25, 2021, 01:09:13 pm »

I'll try to clarify myself:

So........

I still don't think it makes sense for mafia to take a lot of PRs! That was a true thing I said previously.

That's a great thing to say if you're mafia and took a bunch of PRs!

You're doing it wrong, this is how you do RVS...

Vote: mathdude

See? No reason, no suspicion, just a vote for the sake of voting.

Ok, so your vote isn't really "no reason", is it?

FoS: Dylan32
Reason: no longer Innocent Child... also, RVS.

I can play that game too.  I'll follow up my FoS with
vote: Dylan32

I believe this post means that math is traitor and that joth is scum. The second scum would then be Robz I believe, but I'm not sure, I tried to disassociate those reads. Regardless, we should exile math.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #368 on: February 25, 2021, 01:11:17 pm »

Scumteam: Joth/Robz, with math as traitor.

Calling the scumteam D1, I still got it. Don't doubt me, doubt yourselves, town!MiX's pro-town, even if it doesn't look like it at first.

I really think we should not exile mathdude, guys.

MiX is a great exile because at worst, we exiled MiX.

Nice try, but you know that's wrong.

Hahaha, triple posting and being confident, this is what I missed this entire day! I'm on fire!
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #369 on: February 25, 2021, 01:13:30 pm »

Intent to hammer

ppe mix how does robz tie into your team theory?
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #370 on: February 25, 2021, 01:14:02 pm »

Intent to hammer

ppe mix how does robz tie into your team theory?

He's pushing me and defending math, seems simple enough. I also think he's scum, so it all fits together.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #371 on: February 25, 2021, 01:14:52 pm »

I'm not saying he's right, but those last 3 messages are exactly what my meta memory has stored for town!mix, if only he hadn't brought attention to being self-aware about it with his very last line... That tempers the feeling a little bit.

ppe 2
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #372 on: February 25, 2021, 01:17:32 pm »

I'm not saying he's right, but those last 3 messages are exactly what my meta memory has stored for town!mix, if only he hadn't brought attention to being self-aware about it with his very last line... That tempers the feeling a little bit.

ppe 2

MiX would never allow himself to do a play that locks him town! Knowing my exact thought process is better than leaving that bit of self-awareness out, leaving people to question if I was. This way you know I was, and that I decided to say that I was.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #373 on: February 25, 2021, 01:22:43 pm »

Wait a second, one of the points that Ash (iirc) made earlier was that mathdude sounded like he assumed he'd be alive later. That would line up with MiX's thoughts here because the traitor is 1-shot BP.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #374 on: February 25, 2021, 01:25:22 pm »

Intent to make someone hammer math

That's a traitor claim if I've ever seen one.
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