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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2021, 07:05:53 pm »

Re: Space gambit - I feel like I've always just defaulted to townreading Space, but that game finally broke that lol. However, one interesting thing about that game is that it was scum's decision making N0 and going so far against what town expected that gave them the win. So I agree few if any choices would probably be the "correct" play for scum, they might have taken inspiration from that game and taken the riskier, surprising strategy, so let's not throw the game away if it comes down to that without taking the time to carefully think through things and consider everything carefully before jumping to conclusions...

I agree obviously we should think things through, although I don't really think there's a comparable gambit available in this setup.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2021, 10:07:28 pm »

Hey gkrieg, were we mafia partners in a previous iteration of this setup?  I have vague recollections of us choosing no PRs and then lying about a bunch of stuff...and of course winning.  (I feel like we win a lot when we are the bad guys.)

Or was that a different setup?

Also, what's it called when you vote someone just for voting you?  Man, it's been a long time since I played.

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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2021, 10:25:44 pm »

Also, mcmc has nothing to complain about in that online photograph.

Also, I started following Robz on Instagram just now.  life_shonanstyle if you are wondering and have random interest in my watch collecting obsession, microbrews, or pretty pictures of Japan.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2021, 10:26:23 pm »

Also, on page 4 of the game and not one complaint about a lack of a plan.  Perhaps I finally stayed away long enough to reset my default meta.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2021, 12:48:06 am »

Also, on page 4 of the game and not one complaint about a lack of a plan.  Perhaps I finally stayed away long enough to reset my default meta.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2021, 01:36:08 am »

So........

I still don't think it makes sense for mafia to take a lot of PRs! That was a true thing I said previously.

That's a great thing to say if you're mafia and took a bunch of PRs!

You're doing it wrong, this is how you do RVS...

Vote: mathdude

See? No reason, no suspicion, just a vote for the sake of voting.

Ok, so your vote isn't really "no reason", is it?

FoS: Dylan32
Reason: no longer Innocent Child... also, RVS.

I can play that game too.  I'll follow up my FoS with
vote: Dylan32

I like this guy, he gets it lol.

So do you also agree with his vote?

Re: Space gambit - I feel like I've always just defaulted to townreading Space, but that game finally broke that lol. However, one interesting thing about that game is that it was scum's decision making N0 and going so far against what town expected that gave them the win. So I agree few if any choices would probably be the "correct" play for scum, they might have taken inspiration from that game and taken the riskier, surprising strategy, so let's not throw the game away if it comes down to that without taking the time to carefully think through things and consider everything carefully before jumping to conclusions...

I don't think picking more PRs is comparable to something that, uh, no town aligned player knew was even possible. So I disagree with this fundamentally.

Of course I don't agree with the vote in the sense that I know it is not on scum, and therefore it's wrong. I do agree with the principle of the vote, which is that votes and wagons are better than FoSs, because actual votes generate useful info even in RVS, whereas a generic FoS doesn't to the same degree. That's why I poked at the first post in the first place. Turns out doing so generated more interactions and reactions than I even thought it would, so I'm pretty happy that he obliged with the vote even though I know it's wrong.

Of course there's a very big difference between what's possible in this setup and the setup that gave us the Space GambitTM. But surely you understand why I would just want us to take our time and think carefully once we start getting relevant information instead of using assumptions about what choices scum made to make a snap judgement that hands scum the game like town did in that one. Seriously, that was a bitter pill to swallow, and I would love to not repeat it lol.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2021, 06:01:27 am »

Is "the space gambit" a thing that means SA is mafia?
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2021, 06:02:45 am »

Also, I think it should be the Anemone Artifice instead.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2021, 07:10:56 am »

I vote

Vote: ashersky


Reason: not knowing the history of stuff here, I have nothing better to do on day 1.

I still suspect Dylan is skum though so I'll probably switch back there eventually.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2021, 07:11:48 am »

That was supposed to be...
unvote
Vote: ashersky


Stupid autocorrect.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2021, 07:39:44 am »

Of course there's a very big difference between what's possible in this setup and the setup that gave us the Space GambitTM. But surely you understand why I would just want us to take our time and think carefully once we start getting relevant information instead of using assumptions about what choices scum made to make a snap judgement that hands scum the game like town did in that one. Seriously, that was a bitter pill to swallow, and I would love to not repeat it lol.

Okay let me just condense this message into something that is applicable:

Do not hammer without intent to hammer, regardless of situation

Thank you all. And I don't think I've swallowed it yet.

Is "the space gambit" a thing that means SA is mafia?

They're talking about the game in Swowl's signature, click on it to see what it is.

I vote

Vote: ashersky


Reason: not knowing the history of stuff here, I have nothing better to do on day 1.

I still suspect Dylan is skum though so I'll probably switch back there eventually.

Your previous vote was better. And why ash?

That was supposed to be...
unvote
Vote: ashersky


Stupid autocorrect.

You don't need to say unvote before voting, by the way.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2021, 07:40:23 am »

Vote: mathdude
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2021, 08:31:29 am »

Reason: not knowing the history of stuff here, I have nothing better to do on day 1.

I still suspect Dylan is skum though so I'll probably switch back there eventually.

Your previous vote was better. And why ash?
I agree, my previous vote was better.  That's why I said so myself!  Why ash?  I don't know... RVS I guess?  Also, seemed like it might generate some discussion.  And it did.  You sure jumped to ash's defense... why so strong of a counter:
Vote: mathdude
*gets suspicious of MiX*

That was supposed to be...
unvote
Vote: ashersky


Stupid autocorrect.

You don't need to say unvote before voting, by the way.
Thanks for the info.  Where I played previously, we had to (bold) unvote before we voted new, so I figured the same was here.  Also, Dylan voted LL, then voted me right after, and Swowl said Dylan's vote didn't count because LL wasn't playing, so I assumed it was because they didn't unvote first before voting me (I guess it's because Swowl probably missed the vote)?
It's been so long I almost forgot to open the game correctly. Vote: LL
*proceeds to double check to see if he's actually in this game*
*is now sad that LL isn't*
Vote: mathdude
**Lalight is not in this game :P (dylan, you're vote was not valid)

Leaving my vote on ash for now.  Seems like the right thing to do.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2021, 08:32:46 am »

Mathman if you like your vote on Dylan why move to an “I don’t know RVS” vote. That’s moving backwards.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2021, 08:34:05 am »

Ok, I'm going to say this once so I can try to focus. But I'm enjoying reading this thread so much. Didn't realize how much I missed playing with y'all until we went like two months without a game.

This tho. Part of the reason I think we stalled is because things that take brain are so hard right now. But this game takes brain and gives heart, which is good exchange.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2021, 08:34:45 am »

Is "the space gambit" a thing that means SA is mafia?

I was mafia alongside Robz and scolapasta in the game where I proposed it, but that has no bearing on the scumteam for this game :-) The game was M129 and here is the scum QT.

In case anyone wants the context but can't be bothered following links, the particular setup randomised town roles, then gave scum a corresponding number of points to spend on powers to compensate. The scum roles -- but importantly not the town roles -- were then announced in-game, so town could then infer their own strength based on the strength of the visible scum roles.

My suggestion was to deliberately fail to spend all our points, thus shifting late-game suspicion onto town's claimed PRs (since there would appear to be too many of them), rather than anyone who wasn't claiming powers. It was such an unexpected thing to do that in that circumstance it was probably worth the extra point easily enough :-) However, it was really only something we'd entertained to start with because we liked the mechanic of a one-point role more than the mechanic of a logical two-point role, but weren't allowed to take two copies of the one-point role.

It's not something I think scum could exploit in this game, though, because rather than scum getting points to spend in reaction to town, in this game town gets randomised roles in response to what scum selects.

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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2021, 08:36:29 am »

Has gkrieg posted yet?

Yeah, he voted ash, why do you ask?


Was just trying to get a handle on who had shown up. Very little content from him so far, just that one post, so maybe a pressure

vote: gkrieg

is in order.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2021, 08:38:56 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2021, 08:41:29 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.

So are you giving us (read: me) permission to tunnel you hard D1 so you're exiled which means your bad reads will be immortalized, making us (me) take them at face value to then misexile in XiLo? Because I want that permission so badly.

Has Robz even done anything this game? All I remember is him parroting the other game.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2021, 08:54:50 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.

So are you giving us (read: me) permission to tunnel you hard D1 so you're exiled which means your bad reads will be immortalized, making us (me) take them at face value to then misexile in XiLo? Because I want that permission so badly.

Has Robz even done anything this game? All I remember is him parroting the other game.

Yea not really, this is the typical anyone wanna exhile robz for being robz post.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2021, 08:57:29 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.

So are you giving us (read: me) permission to tunnel you hard D1 so you're exiled which means your bad reads will be immortalized, making us (me) take them at face value to then misexile in XiLo? Because I want that permission so badly.
You can't want it very bedly, you're not even voting joth.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2021, 08:58:03 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.

So are you giving us (read: me) permission to tunnel you hard D1 so you're exiled which means your bad reads will be immortalized, making us (me) take them at face value to then misexile in XiLo? Because I want that permission so badly.

Has Robz even done anything this game? All I remember is him parroting the other game.

Yea not really, this is the typical anyone wanna exhile robz for being robz post.
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2021, 09:02:27 am »

Vote Count 1.1:

Joth (3): MiX, MCMC, faust
Dylan32 (2): Joth, mathdude
MCMC (2): SpaceAnenome, Robz888
WestCoastDidds (1): Ashersky
Robz888 (1): EFHW
Ashersky (1): gkrieg
Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, Dylan32


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to Exile.
Day 1 ends February 26th at 10:40pm Forum Time.

*Since the previous version of the game and the current game have the same set up and the same players, even though everything was re-rolled and re-randomized, I believe the most fair decision for all players is to not discuss the previous game's content during this game. Thank you.

**Lalight is not in this game :P (dylan, you're vote was not valid)

Dylan voted LL at #21, but then voted mathdude at #22. The second of those votes should have counted, no?

Anyway, my auto-counter differs by Dylan's vote at the point you posted that earlier count, and looks like this now:

mathdude (2): Dylan32, MiX
Robz888 (1): EFHW
ashersky (2): gkrieg13, mathdude
mcmcsalot (2): SpaceAnemone, Robz888
jotheonah (2): mcmcsalot, faust
gkrieg13 (2): ashersky, jotheonah
Not Voting (1): WestCoastDidds
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Re: M134: Conference Call Mafia V 2.0 - Day 1 HAS BEGUN! AGAIN!
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2021, 09:06:55 am »

Also, though, I am hard townreading Robz this game so he's almost certainly scum. Just FYI.

So are you giving us (read: me) permission to tunnel you hard D1 so you're exiled which means your bad reads will be immortalized, making us (me) take them at face value to then misexile in XiLo? Because I want that permission so badly.

Has Robz even done anything this game? All I remember is him parroting the other game.

Yea not really, this is the typical anyone wanna exhile robz for being robz post.
Are you referring to joht's or MiX's post?
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