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[gkrieg13]

vote: mcmcsalot

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[A Drowned Kernel]

@ADK: At 144 you were the only one voting Galz. Then you voted Dylan at 159 and mcmc at 189, both before the flood of votes for Galz that started at 190. Why did you leave Galz and why didn't you go back?

I left galz because the day was going slowly and I was hoping to get something to happen. I didn't go back because I was hoping for something more interesting than a lurker exile

But a lurker that you have a scum read on should still be a pretty good exile.

Depends on how strong a scum read you actually have on them

[A Drowned Kernel]

I know the day's going slow but I don't think I like the mcmc exile, mostly because I'm suspicious of many of the people on it

[gkrieg13]

I know the day's going slow but I don't think I like the mcmc exile, mostly because I'm suspicious of many of the people on it

Do you find mcmc townie?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I know the day's going slow but I don't think I like the mcmc exile, mostly because I'm suspicious of many of the people on it

Do you find mcmc townie?

It's hard to imagine him hammering his partner the way he did

[EFHW]

unvote for caution since it's at X-1, to give mcmc a chance to post if he wants to. Would vote mcmc or LL.

[WestCoastDidds]

I am interested in hearing what mcmc has to say.

While we are waiting, I gotta tell you all the BEST thing! Mail-me just sent me a picture of the new baby yams is she is awesome and he is a daddy and that is lightness and good in dark times.

You should all feel free to send me pictures of all that is lightness and good in your world.  I live for this stuff.

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: mcmcsalot

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Aaah, you've made a vote that is invisible to my counter. Will try to fix things later tonight since X-1 is exactly when I don't want to be unable to automate VCs :-P

I approve of EFHW's unvote, since that wagon did grow awfully quickly. It's worth noting that we're only a couple of days from deadline, though, in spite of the fact that I feel we're still early-ish in D2 for some reason.

[LaLight]

I am interested in hearing what mcmc has to say.

While we are waiting, I gotta tell you all the BEST thing! Mail-me just sent me a picture of the new baby yams is she is awesome and he is a daddy and that is lightness and good in dark times.

You should all feel free to send me pictures of all that is lightness and good in your world.  I live for this stuff.

just sent you our new cat, that we took home 2 weeks ago

[mcmcsalot]

Woah woah woah l-1 as the leading wagon against scum...

You all think we had two wagons on scum ending day D1... and you think I hammered my partner galz that’s insane.

Anyone who has played with me knows that I never bus like that. I would have gone all out to protect galz

[mcmcsalot]

At the end, it looks like galz tries to stop a wagon from forming on mcmc. Maybe he realized that mcmc was the only other person he could reasonably get a wagon going on and was looking for other last-minute alternatives?

Does this mean you think mcmc is scum?

I think mcmc looks scummy from what galz does.

I think you are looking at it wrong. If I am galz’s partner and he’s likely going to get exhiled, no way he specifically calls out me as a town read if I’m his partner. He would just not bring attention to the couple votes I got or decide to go against me making it easier to buss. If we are partners no way that goes down how it did from either side.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: lalight would also vote for space

[Dylan32]

Vote: LL

Maybe I just don't have the breadth or depth of experience with galz and mcmc that some of you may have, but I just don't see D1 going down the way it did if they are partners. I'm not saying that mcmc wouldn't hammer a partner like that or galzria wouldn't defend or fake a townread on mcmc like he did as a partner, but for some reason I don't think that combination is what a partner dynamic between them would actually look like.

Currently my biggest hesitation on that is the convenient fact that mcmc voted LL and is willing to exile Space aka the two people I'm pushing and maybe I'm getting buddied or something. I guess having similar reads can be a thing too, but I wish I remembered whether or not I usually agreed with town!mcmc's reads lol.

A couple town points to EFHW for that unvote I think.

[LaLight]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

[LaLight]

also is it just me, but I feel like there's 4 people left alive

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: lalight would also vote for space

Why Space? Thoughts about EFHW?

[MiX]

also is it just me, but I feel like there's 4 people left alive

No, that's a fair statement. Guess who's been busy this week! Sigh...

You know, I'm stll townreading both mcmc and LL. It feels like a lot of arguments are around Galz's EoD list, which is very WIFOMy.

Vote: lalight would also vote for space

Why Space? Thoughts about EFHW?

Oh yes I wish I had asked this sooner.

[A Drowned Kernel]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

[EFHW]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

This is a decent point.

[LaLight]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

this only gives more "towncred"

[mcmcsalot]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

this only gives more "towncred"

It was D1. Has the rest of my play mirrored to idea that I lynched my partner for towncred? has a scum team of Galz and McMc misplayed so poorly and allowed a very lurkey game to get so far away we are back to back D1 and 2 l-1 wagons...Lalight what world do you think scum!mcmc actually plays the way I have.

[LaLight]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

this only gives more "towncred"

It was D1. Has the rest of my play mirrored to idea that I lynched my partner for towncred? has a scum team of Galz and McMc misplayed so poorly and allowed a very lurkey game to get so far away we are back to back D1 and 2 l-1 wagons...Lalight what world do you think scum!mcmc actually plays the way I have.

I think that was just a gamble that didn't pay off. I had the same experiences

[mcmcsalot]

also is it just me, but I feel like there's 4 people left alive

No, that's a fair statement. Guess who's been busy this week! Sigh...

You know, I'm stll townreading both mcmc and LL. It feels like a lot of arguments are around Galz's EoD list, which is very WIFOMy.

Vote: lalight would also vote for space

Why Space? Thoughts about EFHW?

Oh yes I wish I had asked this sooner.

The case that EFHW made is a case. A case that comes to the incorrect conclusion of me being scum but I get how she comes to that conclusion. the whole case is made the way I expect town!EFHW to make the case.

[SNIP]
First off, the hammer, and the snarky "I know you are scum so don't deny it" tone come out of the blue in that he made no statements of opinion on Galz's alignment before 222. In that post, it sounds to me like he did know Galz was scum and was trying to defend LL in that context.

268 is really confusing. He seems to be saying that while he hopes faust is right, he thinks Galz is town because Scum!Galz doesn't fakeclaim here. Why not? Then he says if scum, it would be good play. But he was already talking about "if scum". So it's like he doesn't remember what stance he pretended to have on Galz. Then in 283 reaffirms his confident scumread.

The 7 posts before 222 have a lot of explaining in them. Why he voted faust. Why he moved to Space. Why people would think that was scummy (139 reads really scummy to me, especially the MiX towny part). Why people say they need to reread. But this is where I run into trouble. The second part of 188, like 168, doesn't really fit what he was saying. And scum say they have to reread ALL the time. Scummy. But then I remembered that town!mcmc can be this way - where his posts don't fit together logically to my ear - and I usually scumread him for it.

But I'm still going to

Vote: mcmc

because the whole picture is scummy, not just 168 and 188.

Whats interesting is EFHW actually finds me scummy here for being to confident followed by being wishy washy. I was confident enough in my gut read of galz's flurry of posts that I wanted to exhile him. I was then honestly sad I had potentially hammered the cop and was going through all the scenarios of what to do if thats the case, what galz could be doing if scum ect. I didn't forget what stance I pretended to have I legitimately thought he was scum and then got hit with the idea that he was instead a town cop.
 

[mcmcsalot]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

this only gives more "towncred"

It was D1. Has the rest of my play mirrored to idea that I lynched my partner for towncred? has a scum team of Galz and McMc misplayed so poorly and allowed a very lurkey game to get so far away we are back to back D1 and 2 l-1 wagons...Lalight what world do you think scum!mcmc actually plays the way I have.

I think that was just a gamble that didn't pay off. I had the same experiences

ugh I have misexhiled you in the past over stuff like this. It feels like you have modded me enough to know its not a gamble I take and if so I would do it in a much more dire scenario. Honestly I doubt I have never bussed by this point in time but seriously I have bussed maybe 3 times ever and we all know the numbers of what happens when scum gets exhiled D1 its just not the time or game I make the "gamble" as you say.

[A Drowned Kernel]

it's weird, hammering yourpartner when you see that they are not going to survive anyway for towncred is one of the most popular things for scum to do in my book and I am genuinely surprised that people think different. Like, the fact of Galzria defending mcmc may be somewhat of a valid argument, but not that

The thing is that Galz was a pure lurker exile and had just made a flurry of activity, so the hope that his wagon would shift at that point was not an unreasonable one

this only gives more "towncred"

I don't think that it's impossible that mcmc hammers there but what about the hammer makes it more likely to come from scum than from town? Scum would be at least tempted I think to see if galz's appearance would take off some of the pressure. If nothing else, I think that if I was in galz's position and had made a huge last-ditch effort like that, and then my partner hammered me, I would be kind of annoyed