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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #275 on: November 27, 2020, 04:12:57 pm »

Holy wagon-filled-with-scum-batman!

What an easy-ass cop out lynch.

Yeah! LaL! The IC is onboard too! Wheeeee! Free lynch!!!

You should've claimed that instantly, not as a breadcrumb.

I think that expecting the whole thread to pick that up after you'd just filled the thread with 26 other stream-of-consciousness re-read posts when you were already on X-1 was a bit optimistic.

I didn’t expect it to get picked up. I expected people to realize how dumb exiling me here is. The reasons and justifications behind it are just god-awful.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #276 on: November 27, 2020, 04:13:33 pm »

Lol yeah. I'm like 70% that Glazria will flip scum.

Nice. Leave yourself that 30% to be “wrong”. Lol.

Sorry town, maybe I should’ve been more clear. I just never, ever claim there. My Exile is beyond hilariously bad.
Well if you're town then you have noone but yourself to blame. I have no regrets.

Surprise hot take from faust!

Lol

10/10 would play the same again.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #277 on: November 27, 2020, 04:16:12 pm »

Lol yeah. I'm like 70% that Glazria will flip scum.

I hope so but don’t think galz fake claims here. Though if scum it is a good attempt to sus out more information for his partners.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #278 on: November 27, 2020, 04:16:44 pm »

10/10 would play the same again.
I guess I'm just going to need to avoid playing with you then.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #279 on: November 27, 2020, 04:18:39 pm »

Lol yeah. I'm like 70% that Glazria will flip scum.

I hope so but don’t think galz fake claims here. Though if scum it is a good attempt to sus out more information for his partners.
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Oops but yes I did. I guess I should have voiced intent and allowed time for a claim. I’ll be honest I forgot that’s the thing we do, as I said rusty.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #280 on: November 27, 2020, 04:24:04 pm »

10/10 would play the same again.
I guess I'm just going to need to avoid playing with you then.

Woah or one of you is scum and it’s unnecessary. Also I think galz “would play the same” is in reference to his crumb as opposed to outright claim and I don’t think one of you is more correct than the other in regards to how to play that. If you are referring to his lurking and coming in with a few hours till deadline I agree that’s a poor town strategy and I understand you have some more reasons as stated before to be frustrated about it.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #281 on: November 27, 2020, 04:24:33 pm »

The reasons and justifications behind it are just god-awful.

I think you may be underestimating the genuine frustration a lot of players feel when you're absent for so long from so many games. Yes, it's bad to policy-exile someone instead of have genuine scumreads, and we're wasting our chance to exile actual scum if you are indeed a town PR. However, in the absence of decent cases or evidence, I'm honestly not surprised at all that most people are so willing to exile a player they know will often cause town difficulties later on as any alignment.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #282 on: November 27, 2020, 04:38:19 pm »

I can be clear my vote is a scum read
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #283 on: November 27, 2020, 04:44:56 pm »

I can be clear my vote is a scum read

To be clear myself:

I find the vote without asking for a claim or intent to hammer to be scummy. That was a mistake by you for sure. But, overall, I don’t think it changes my general read on you.

Faust is almost 100% scum. Like, he’s already trying to argue why my Exile doesn’t implicate him. He knows I’m going to flip town.

My read between LaLight and MiX is a little less certain, but I feel good about them anyway.

That just leaves one - and I don’t THINK it’s you.
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SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #284 on: November 27, 2020, 05:22:05 pm »

"Who could it be?!?!", clamors the passengers on the plane.
   "Everyone quiet! I am the sheriff of these skies and I am telling you it is that one right there!", Raptor says, pointing accusingly at Galzria.
"No way!" says EFHW and Dylan, "He has literally been asleep the entire flight so far! It simply cannot be them!"

Lalight walks over with gkrieg to wake up Galzria....
   "Hey! Wake up! We have to talk to you!"

Galzria wakes up walks a little down the aisle... listening to all of the accusations being thrown their way... "No... no you have it all wrong! It isn't me!"

Just then MCMC stands up and yells "He will say anything to save his own skin!". After one awkward moment of silence MCMC follows suit by Chuck Norris kicking Galzria out of the plane door!

"Well what in the hell did you do that for????" exclaim the passengers!

Just then the Microphone clicks on....
"Howdy there again folks, this is your Captain. So... I have some interesting news for you lot...."



Galzria has been lynched! They were Highjacker 11, the Mafia Aligned Godfather.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #285 on: November 27, 2020, 05:22:13 pm »

Vote Count 1.Final:

Galzria (7): WestCoastDidds, Xxraptorslayer96, SpaceAnemone, faust, LaLight, gkrieg13, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3): EFHW, A Drowned Kernel, MiX
LaLight (1): Dylan32
SpaceAnemone (1): Galzria

Not Voting (0):


With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
Night 1 starts now and ends on November 29th at 5:20pm Forum Time.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #286 on: November 29, 2020, 05:19:24 pm »

The cabin lights turn on and the passengers start to wake up from their naps.

   "I cannot believe we managed to find one of them", WCD says yawning Space, "It is such a huge relief!"
"I know right! We should celebrate!", responds Space.

WCD turns to Lalight and gkrieg sitting across the aisle, "Hey you guys wanna do some celebratory mimosas?!?!"
   "Hell yeah!", they respond in unison!

Lalight stands up and looks over the chair in front of them, "Yo faust! You wanna get in on this?"
.... "wait a second... where is faust? Hey! Has anyone seen faust!?!?!?!?"



faust has been killed at Night. They were Passenger 51, the Vanilla Townie.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #287 on: November 29, 2020, 05:19:36 pm »

Vote Count 2.0:

Not Voting (10): ADK, Dylan32, SpaceAnemone, MiX, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, XxRaptorSlayer96, LaLight, MCMC, gkrieg


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #288 on: November 29, 2020, 05:44:37 pm »

This looks good for town!

Galz's flip is sadly the least-informative one scum could have given us, because we're guaranteed a Godfather in the setup, and it doesn't help us corroborate any town roles that claim later, in terms of how many of those we can expect.

Faust drawing the NK was great from the point of view of them targeting a VT rather than a PR, though sad because it's perpetuating the thing about an alive faust being a scummy faust. I wonder if there are certain players who'd be less likely to kill off faust so soon for meta reasons, and others who'd want him out of the way regardless.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #289 on: November 29, 2020, 06:16:06 pm »

Back just before post #50, Galz had a three-person wagon of ADK, Raptor and faust. Then in post #50, Didds had this to say:

Let’s ignore all things Galzy and think about ADK instead.

Galz's wagon fizzles out completely at #158, when ADK moves off onto Dylan. I think they have reasonable justification for doing that, though a slightly odd sort of scrutiny post on Galz in the post immediately beforehand. It just feels a bit weird to seriously ask the person you're voting for a clarification question and then immediately remove the vote with no response.

Didds herself restarts the Galz wagon at #179, and this time it runs all the way up to exile, though ADK never rejoins.

I can't decide if I think Didds gets scumpoints for trying to deflect from Galz (which ADK called her on shortly afterwards), or ADK gets scumpoints for being on the safe early wagon but not the actual exile wagon. There's also MiX, who pointed out at #177 that he wishes Galz had talked more, which was what had spurred Didds to make her vote at #179, but MiX himself is also absent from the Galz wagon, having said that D1 Galz exiles are "just wrong" at #192.

Re-reading a little more, I think I'm feeling townier on Didds, and maybe scummy on MiX. MiX seemed to be actively looking for Galz alternatives, including voting LL after LL's Galz vote, and sending Galz another prod at #199 instead of engaging with the EAL brigade, and also moving onto mcmc as a viable-looking alternative. In the end, both MiX and ADK were around at mcmc's hammer, so either could have had the opportunity to vote there, but chose not to take it.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #290 on: November 29, 2020, 06:51:46 pm »

There goes my scum!faust theory

Phone posting atm but I will say that I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #291 on: November 29, 2020, 07:20:30 pm »

There goes my scum!faust theory

Phone posting atm but I will say that I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing
I'm working on a scum!mcmc theory. Still has some holes, though.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #292 on: November 29, 2020, 07:24:29 pm »

I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing

Do you really think that scum would have killed on-waggon, when the IC was also on-waggon, if both of the remaining pair were there too? For me and others in my position, that means that of the four alignment-uncertain other people on the wagon, 50% are scum. I think that's too bold an assumption.

I do think that mcmc's hammer and subsequent claim that it was because of a definite scumread, rather than the lurker-exile some of us were supporting, should be considered as a possible grab for townpoints from a scumbuddy. However, at the time Raptor and I voted for Galz, mcmc was the leading alternative. It wasn't until conf!town!faust put Galz up to four votes, quickly followed my LaLight, that Galz looked to be seriously in jeopardy... so maybe you can give a bit more scrutiny to gkrieg or mcmc for their very late-on-the-wagon votes, but I think it would be surprising if they're both scum.

How do you feel about MiX's attempts to get people to vote away from Galz around the times that faust, LL and gkrieg all voted for Galz?

PPE 1: yes, EFHW is also apparently looking scummily at mcmc!
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #293 on: November 29, 2020, 07:30:39 pm »

Okay, good job in exiling scum, I guess. I'll take my scummy hat today for basically defending the Galz exile all day.

faust is town, raptor is town (good job guys), Didds is town, LL is town, mcmc is town...almost all of the Galz wagon's town, I don't think scum's pushing that ever.

Vote: EFHW 's in the best possible spot for scum: outside the scum wagon, on the counterwagon, not directly tied to the Galz wagon on either side. If scum's on it, it would be either Space or gkrieg, which have the best bus spot and the least impactful vote.

Galz's flip is sadly the least-informative one scum could have given us, because we're guaranteed a Godfather in the setup, and it doesn't help us corroborate any town roles that claim later, in terms of how many of those we can expect.

On the other hand, this is one of the best wagons to get information out of.

Re-reading a little more, I think I'm feeling townier on Didds, and maybe scummy on MiX. MiX seemed to be actively looking for Galz alternatives, including voting LL after LL's Galz vote, and sending Galz another prod at #199 instead of engaging with the EAL brigade, and also moving onto mcmc as a viable-looking alternative. In the end, both MiX and ADK were around at mcmc's hammer, so either could have had the opportunity to vote there, but chose not to take it.

I agree that Didds looks townie, and yes, I was looking for alternatives: when LL voted, the exile was inevitably going to be Galzria, so I wanted another wagon.

I don't see why you're looking at me and ADK not hammering: I'm confused as to why mcmc hammered when he did, it was early enough to have an actual conversation with Galzria. Not to mention I was still reading Galzria's posts when mcmc hammered, lol.

There wasn't much to "engage with the EAL brigade", what did you want me to do?

There goes my scum!faust theory

Phone posting atm but I will say that I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing

I would be shocked if both scum were bussing.

There goes my scum!faust theory

Phone posting atm but I will say that I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing
I'm working on a scum!mcmc theory. Still has some holes, though.

Hmm...I guess I can see it. The other scum would have to be sleeping too though, maybe Dylan? Because the Space wagon died so fast, and there were no other town wagons if mcmc's scum.

I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing

Do you really think that scum would have killed on-waggon, when the IC was also on-waggon, if both of the remaining pair were there too? For me and others in my position, that means that of the four alignment-uncertain other people on the wagon, 50% are scum. I think that's too bold an assumption.

I do think that mcmc's hammer and subsequent claim that it was because of a definite scumread, rather than the lurker-exile some of us were supporting, should be considered as a possible grab for townpoints from a scumbuddy. However, at the time Raptor and I voted for Galz, mcmc was the leading alternative. It wasn't until conf!town!faust put Galz up to four votes, quickly followed my LaLight, that Galz looked to be seriously in jeopardy... so maybe you can give a bit more scrutiny to gkrieg or mcmc for their very late-on-the-wagon votes, but I think it would be surprising if they're both scum.

I agree with this post so much.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #294 on: November 29, 2020, 08:01:52 pm »

I would be shocked if Galz's partners weren't both bussing

Do you really think that scum would have killed on-waggon, when the IC was also on-waggon, if both of the remaining pair were there too? For me and others in my position, that means that of the four alignment-uncertain other people on the wagon, 50% are scum. I think that's too bold an assumption.

I do think that mcmc's hammer and subsequent claim that it was because of a definite scumread, rather than the lurker-exile some of us were supporting, should be considered as a possible grab for townpoints from a scumbuddy. However, at the time Raptor and I voted for Galz, mcmc was the leading alternative. It wasn't until conf!town!faust put Galz up to four votes, quickly followed my LaLight, that Galz looked to be seriously in jeopardy... so maybe you can give a bit more scrutiny to gkrieg or mcmc for their very late-on-the-wagon votes, but I think it would be surprising if they're both scum.

How do you feel about MiX's attempts to get people to vote away from Galz around the times that faust, LL and gkrieg all voted for Galz?

PPE 1: yes, EFHW is also apparently looking scummily at mcmc!

I think scum kills on wagon because they're hoping to keep all the off-wagon people alive for misexile and they're banking on on-wagon town not suspecting the other on-wagon players

MiX is basically an IC for me at this point, no way does MiX not bus his partner in that position
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #295 on: November 29, 2020, 08:37:32 pm »

Back just before post #50, Galz had a three-person wagon of ADK, Raptor and faust. Then in post #50, Didds had this to say:

Let’s ignore all things Galzy and think about ADK instead.

Galz's wagon fizzles out completely at #158, when ADK moves off onto Dylan. I think they have reasonable justification for doing that, though a slightly odd sort of scrutiny post on Galz in the post immediately beforehand. It just feels a bit weird to seriously ask the person you're voting for a clarification question and then immediately remove the vote with no response.

Didds herself restarts the Galz wagon at #179, and this time it runs all the way up to exile, though ADK never rejoins.

I can't decide if I think Didds gets scumpoints for trying to deflect from Galz (which ADK called her on shortly afterwards), or ADK gets scumpoints for being on the safe early wagon but not the actual exile wagon. There's also MiX, who pointed out at #177 that he wishes Galz had talked more, which was what had spurred Didds to make her vote at #179, but MiX himself is also absent from the Galz wagon, having said that D1 Galz exiles are "just wrong" at #192.

Re-reading a little more, I think I'm feeling townier on Didds, and maybe scummy on MiX. MiX seemed to be actively looking for Galz alternatives, including voting LL after LL's Galz vote, and sending Galz another prod at #199 instead of engaging with the EAL brigade, and also moving onto mcmc as a viable-looking alternative. In the end, both MiX and ADK were around at mcmc's hammer, so either could have had the opportunity to vote there, but chose not to take it.

The is the second or third time someone has mentioned that line. I was frustrated by Galz is lame, no you’re lame, so lame vote Galz, scum can be lame... it was a nothing conversation between faust, ADK, mix, and Galz and I wasn’t inspired by it. That message was directed at MiX and he had been part of it, so I was suggesting we move away from that.

Later, when I voted for Galz, it was because I found his check in with responding to my question about it super sketch.



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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #296 on: November 29, 2020, 08:39:52 pm »

MiX, you seem oddly salty about Galz being scum? Did you not do the dance of joy???
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #297 on: November 30, 2020, 02:10:44 am »

Checking in. I'll have thoughts tomorrow. Moving in a week and have been busy getting stuff ready for that + holidays.
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #298 on: November 30, 2020, 02:49:40 am »

vote: mcmc

that was exactly the right spot in the right time to hammer your partner
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Re: M133 - FDS on a Plane Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #299 on: November 30, 2020, 04:34:15 am »

MiX, you seem oddly salty about Galz being scum? Did you not do the dance of joy???

I'm not sure if it was joy. I kinda hated that the exile was justified by his flip, but I'm happy that the game's that much easier for us. It was mostly me throwing away all of my reads, since I made them thinking Galz would flip town.
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