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[faust]

I'm done giving breaks. How many games does Galzria need to ruin by lurking before it's not okay anymore? He did literally nothing for the whole of D1.

How many games did Galzria ruin? Last time I remember, he was active later in the game and thus didn't hurt the game enough to be considered ruined. If you want an example of a ruined game, see here.

inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

Not a reason to exile someone. It is, however, a reason to prod and maybe modkill. Oh, that reminds me,

Prod: Galzria

Anytime someone is eligible for a modkill, that ruins the game. The fact that maybe people are still able to continue playing doesn't excuse such behaviour. As a mod I have been put into situations multiple times where I had to replace Galzria, which is bothersome and puts significant workload on the player replacing in, and I am put into the situation where I have to ask people to make that sacrifice. Luckily there is usually someone willing to take that on, but if I hadn't found anyone those games had been ruined too.

Once I even asked Galzria, given his history, to provide a potential replacement when he signed up, and he just ignored that. Such interactions are one of the reasons I don"t mod as much as I used to.

[faust]

Not to mention that deciding on a modkill is always a decision that's going to cause backlash and is emotionally straining for a mod.

[LaLight]

vote: Galzria, i feel faust here

[MiX]

vote: Galzria, i feel faust here

Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

vote: Galzria, i feel faust here

Vote: LaLight

excuse me?

[MiX]

vote: Galzria, i feel faust here

Vote: LaLight

excuse me?

This is X-2, 12 hours from deadline, a vote that ditches your case and the other viable wagon at the moment is now voting alone. This vote feels extremely opportunistic.

[faust]

vote: Galzria, i feel faust here

Vote: LaLight

excuse me?

This is X-2, 12 hours from deadline, a vote that ditches your case and the other viable wagon at the moment is now voting alone. This vote feels extremely opportunistic.

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

[MiX]

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

To get on the Galz wagon? Why they would do this depends on where the rest of scum are, but still.

[EFHW]

If Swowl could find a replacement,  that would be better for the fun of the game than exiling Galz. Also, it seems to me that scum!Galz would be less likely to do this.

[EFHW]

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

To get on the Galz wagon? Why they would do this depends on where the rest of scum are, but still.

To get on as a bus, you mean?

[faust]

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

To get on the Galz wagon? Why they would do this depends on where the rest of scum are, but still.

I don't find it very believable that scum!LaLight would pour energy into a case on Space just to ditch it on a whim.

[faust]

If Swowl could find a replacement,  that would be better for the fun of the game than exiling Galz. Also, it seems to me that scum!Galz would be less likely to do this.

Why is it better to exile mcmc?

[LaLight]

everyone pretty much ignored my case, but if Space!exile gets traction, I'll be happy to return

[MiX]

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

To get on the Galz wagon? Why they would do this depends on where the rest of scum are, but still.

To get on as a bus, you mean?

It works both ways. I worded it like that to be as generic as possible.

[WestCoastDidds]

D1 Galz exiles are just wrong. His availability now does not have anything to do with his availability later.

Unlike mine; I think I'm just going to be really busy all game.

His availibility is always crap, and his non-presence now means he's going to be harder to read later on.

Things would go better here if we returned to a stricter "exile all lurkers" policy.

Not really, no. Wasn't it literally thanksgiving yesterday? Give him a break.

D1 Galz exiles are just wrong. His availability now does not have anything to do with his availability later.

Unlike mine; I think I'm just going to be really busy all game.

So, why is mcmc a better exile than Galzy?

This feels like a completely different mcmc than what I remember, and I like his wagon. Problem is, I don't know if I'm trying to match him to his town game or his scum game...


There was also LL's case on Space, which is missing the fact that Space loves to reference previous games (same here btw) and some things are just reaching at straws. I wouldn't disagree that Space's case is probably the best case you can make, but that doesn't mean they're scummy, let alone scum.

ADK... is your case on mcmc any different than MiX’s?

I’m mostly around today and can move my vote if need be.  It strikes me as somewhat accurate that scum Galz would be more present than this, but I also share the general frustration with his absence and that this kind of absence is routine. The one compelling thing about EAL is that we aren’t losing much. Some chance the lurker is scum, but absent that, losing a no-show just it’s not as bad as losing an active player.

faust, I freaking love your RMM games. I 100% understand why modding is stressful and I can imagine that labor feels so unappreciated. I appreciate you! I hope you create more games!

[EFHW]

If Swowl could find a replacement,  that would be better for the fun of the game than exiling Galz. Also, it seems to me that scum!Galz would be less likely to do this.

Why is it better to exile mcmc?

He's not acting like town!mcmc, who tends to be more goal-oriented. He said he was rusty, which seems more of a scum concern. And presumably the replacement would contribute more than Galz is.

[A Drowned Kernel]

D1 Galz exiles are just wrong. His availability now does not have anything to do with his availability later.

Unlike mine; I think I'm just going to be really busy all game.

His availibility is always crap, and his non-presence now means he's going to be harder to read later on.

Things would go better here if we returned to a stricter "exile all lurkers" policy.

Not really, no. Wasn't it literally thanksgiving yesterday? Give him a break.

D1 Galz exiles are just wrong. His availability now does not have anything to do with his availability later.

Unlike mine; I think I'm just going to be really busy all game.

So, why is mcmc a better exile than Galzy?

This feels like a completely different mcmc than what I remember, and I like his wagon. Problem is, I don't know if I'm trying to match him to his town game or his scum game...


There was also LL's case on Space, which is missing the fact that Space loves to reference previous games (same here btw) and some things are just reaching at straws. I wouldn't disagree that Space's case is probably the best case you can make, but that doesn't mean they're scummy, let alone scum.

ADK... is your case on mcmc any different than MiX’s?

I’m mostly around today and can move my vote if need be.  It strikes me as somewhat accurate that scum Galz would be more present than this, but I also share the general frustration with his absence and that this kind of absence is routine. The one compelling thing about EAL is that we aren’t losing much. Some chance the lurker is scum, but absent that, losing a no-show just it’s not as bad as losing an active player.

faust, I freaking love your RMM games. I 100% understand why modding is stressful and I can imagine that labor feels so unappreciated. I appreciate you! I hope you create more games!

My cast on mcmc was mostly a knee-jerk to the post immediately preceding it, which struck me as particularly empty. I'm almost always wrong about mcmc though, so I'm not married to the vote

I'm on board with the lurker exile (galz), especially since I doubt that scum!galz would be more active since in his recent town games he's gotten away with lurking pretty hard

[A Drowned Kernel]

Though to clarify, if there's any possibility of replacement for galz I would prefer that, but we are very close to deadline

[EFHW]

Swowl - Are you open to replacing Galzria?

[WestCoastDidds]

Maybe Joth? Or Glooble?

[MiX]

Vote: mcmc in the interest of wagoning. I'm fine with either mcmc or LL though.

[mcmcsalot]

Why would scum!LaLight ditch their case?

To get on the Galz wagon? Why they would do this depends on where the rest of scum are, but still.

To get on as a bus, you mean?

It works both ways. I worded it like that to be as generic as possible.

My initial reaction to lalight’s vote was that it’s a bad move for scum!lalight to jump on the town!galz wagon because it probably goes through without scum help, and scum!lalight never jumps on scum!galz there. But honestly I’m not sure scum hates being on an easy lurker lunch early, as scum I tend to avoid town wagons I didn’t start a little too much. Overall to say I don’t think lalights vote for galz is very alignment indicative at all.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry. My availability at deadline is going to be pretty bad. I don’t think the case on space is very good, I still feel like faust is scummy, EFHW (who I feel like I can usually read well) doesn’t read as anything to me yet. Would definitely be on board for galz. Vote: Galz. I don’t read mcmc as scummy but also don’t read him as townie. Would also vote for Mix. None of my reads are very strong though.

[gkrieg13]

Not counting but that might be X-1

[gkrieg13]

Now after counting it is definitely X-1 on galz