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Author Topic: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Game Over! Skum Wins!  (Read 16235 times)

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #250 on: September 28, 2020, 10:47:04 am »

I've been thinking that this game has a notable lack of setup talk. That makes me believe that players who are likely to turn to setup talk as a way of looking active as scum are more likely to not be scum this time around. The players I feel are most likely to do so are... ADK, Space, Robz (meh).

Not really sure any part of this holds up. Well, maybe the space part. Space is on of those players IMO that just sounds different as scum, not sure whether they have yet figured out how to mimic it but in any case Iím reading space as town.

Who wants to join me in quick lynching the SK?

Vote: Joseph
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #251 on: September 28, 2020, 10:59:01 am »

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #252 on: September 28, 2020, 11:41:04 am »

Why are we voting Joseph?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #253 on: September 28, 2020, 12:03:40 pm »


You seem to be taking ADK's vote on you more personally than MiX's. Why is that? Your following him to the MiX wagon initially seems to be relevant?

I'm not sure. MiX's vote feels like MiX being wrong. MiX and I misread eachother most games we're both in, it's almost a meme at this point. ADK's vote feels like ADK opportunistically setting me up.

When ADK voted MiX, they didn't know you would follow. Once you did, Robz took it in his head, we don't know why, to vote for you. Then MiX followed. Then ADK. Do I have that right? When did ADK create the opportunity to set you up? I think your MiX vote struck several people as scummy, including ADK. They did do a bit of a 180, but there was no reason to expect them to townread you particularly. It seems to me like Robz set you up, not ADK. Or maybe he was actually setting up MiX and ADK. Sheeping the IC can be pretty scummy, so you do have that argument against them both.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #254 on: September 28, 2020, 12:05:11 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #255 on: September 28, 2020, 12:06:10 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?

Why are you asking this question about asking questions about voting for Joseph?

Is anyone other than Robz scumreading Joseph?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #256 on: September 28, 2020, 12:10:57 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?

Cause Robs is calling for the quickxile

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #257 on: September 28, 2020, 12:14:08 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?

Why are you asking this question about asking questions about voting for Joseph?
I am expressing my frustration that people cannot accept the fact that sometimes you don't want to give an explanation. Why not let people clarify in their own time?

Is anyone other than Robz scumreading Joseph?
Well, I'm voting for them, make of that what you will.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #258 on: September 28, 2020, 12:22:52 pm »

I've been thinking that this game has a notable lack of setup talk. That makes me believe that players who are likely to turn to setup talk as a way of looking active as scum are more likely to not be scum this time around. The players I feel are most likely to do so are... ADK, Space, Robz (meh).

Not really sure any part of this holds up. Well, maybe the space part. Space is on of those players IMO that just sounds different as scum, not sure whether they have yet figured out how to mimic it but in any case Iím reading space as town.

Who wants to join me in quick lynching the SK?

Vote: Joseph
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #259 on: September 28, 2020, 12:23:41 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?
Because it's a bad idea from nowhere.
Which to be honest sums up most the wagons so far this game- built off nothing and people just jumping on them
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #260 on: September 28, 2020, 12:25:09 pm »

Jospeh, why is it a bad idea? You have a better idea?

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #261 on: September 28, 2020, 12:52:47 pm »

Phone posting for like the next four days.

Not feeling good about this ADK situation that occurred. Feeling worse about the Galz situation.

Didds and MiX getting D1 passes from me

What situation? That some people are town reading me or that some people are scum reading me?

The flurry of attention.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #262 on: September 28, 2020, 01:03:46 pm »

Vote: glooble

I think the adk glooble interaction has me ready to vote one of them off the island and I think glooble has come off scummier in the interactions, personally.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #263 on: September 28, 2020, 01:14:36 pm »

Why are we asking questions about why we are voting for Joseph?
Because it's a bad idea from nowhere.
Which to be honest sums up most the wagons so far this game- built off nothing and people just jumping on them

Those are helpful wagons to look back on later, if they get big enough.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #264 on: September 28, 2020, 02:15:40 pm »

Vote Count 1.3:

Glooble (3): ADK, Space, chairs
Joseph (3): Galzria, faust, Robz888
Galrzria (2): WCD, MiX
ADK (1): Glooble
EFHW (1): Joseph
chairs(1): Eevee

Not Voting (2): Dylan, EFHW


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on September 30th at 10pm Forum Time.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #265 on: September 28, 2020, 02:33:14 pm »

Is anyone other than Robz scumreading Joseph?
Well, I'm voting for them, make of that what you will.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #266 on: September 28, 2020, 02:35:02 pm »

It's actually a fairly comfortable position for scum to be pushing a player that they know has no chance of being the exile anyways.

Sure doesn't seem to be helping Glooble.

Hasn't hurt him either.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #267 on: September 28, 2020, 02:46:39 pm »

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #268 on: September 28, 2020, 06:13:23 pm »

Vote: glooble

I think the adk glooble interaction has me ready to vote one of them off the island and I think glooble has come off scummier in the interactions, personally.

Because he has been more emotional, or some other reason? And why are you so certain one is scum?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #269 on: September 28, 2020, 06:15:25 pm »

At this point, I could vote for anyone except myself and Robz. Also, Galz made a good point about Joseph, so maybe not him either.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #270 on: September 28, 2020, 06:26:41 pm »

At this point, I could vote for anyone except myself and Robz. Also, Galz made a good point about Joseph, so maybe not him either.

I don't think this game is anywhere near voting-for-everyone kind of uselessness.

Vote: EFHW
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #271 on: September 28, 2020, 06:55:21 pm »

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.

Glooble wasn't the 3rd in that sequence of ADK townreads. Glooble was voting for ADK, then EFHW townread, I agreed, then Joseph agreed.

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.

It's interesting that EFHW knows it's ADK vs glooble, but then says galz made a good point about Joseph and the list of people who expressed townreads on ADK while glooble wasn't even actually in that group. Altogether, EFHW's last couple posts are scummy enough to get me off the not voting line.

Vote: EFHW
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #272 on: September 28, 2020, 07:01:53 pm »

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.
Well Glooble has had one of these random wagons on them  and that makes me feel better about them (because it does seem to me like people are just piling onto whoever gets a vote or 2)
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #273 on: September 28, 2020, 07:02:33 pm »

At this point, I could vote for anyone except myself and Robz. Also, Galz made a good point about Joseph, so maybe not him either.

I don't think this game is anywhere near voting-for-everyone kind of uselessness.

Vote: EFHW
Agree, way too early to start the whatever to get a lynch voting
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #274 on: September 28, 2020, 07:03:53 pm »

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.

Glooble wasn't the 3rd in that sequence of ADK townreads. Glooble was voting for ADK, then EFHW townread, I agreed, then Joseph agreed.

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.

It's interesting that EFHW knows it's ADK vs glooble, but then says galz made a good point about Joseph and the list of people who expressed townreads on ADK while glooble wasn't even actually in that group. Altogether, EFHW's last couple posts are scummy enough to get me off the not voting line.

Vote: EFHW

Looking back, youíre correct. I clearly didnít check my sources:

Three people in a row saying I'm townie is noteworthy. I'm going to guess that there's exactly one scum on that group
Well if you're right, then that means there's one scum in {EFHW, Glooble}. And I don't think it was 3 town saying it (although the laziest person was me, for just agreeing, I'm ignoring myself as I'm town)

So I kind of like where my vote is

My point is still valid, however: Joseph has decided thereís scum within the group that Townread ADK earlier - he dismisses himself, arbitrarily picks EFHW, and never comments on or discusses the other player (you, or in his mind, Glooble).
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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