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Author Topic: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Game Over! Skum Wins!  (Read 9241 times)

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #700 on: October 13, 2020, 10:23:42 am »

Okay, so that's pretty interesting, and shows who's paying attention to what cases to some extent.

I asked about faust and ADK because it's central to the case faust was pushing on Glooble in D2, and in fact faust has now re-posted exactly the key wagon he used for his Glooble case, but with Glooble now coloured green.

The people who reacted to my question are:

1. Eevee at #688, asking why that pair in particular. He was on the Glooble exile wagon, but apparently "Welp I think it's time to vote glooble" was his only justification there (post #633).

2. ADK, who asserts their towniness, but also doesn't scumread faust. ADK was already pushing Glooble, but it's interesting they didn't seem to pay attention to the reason why faust was pushing so much on the evidence that (as I was trying to point out yesterday!) was really saying "one scum in {Glooble, ADK, faust}, rather than specifically pointing at Glooble.

Special note for Didds, who completely avoided engaging with my question, but did state me as a scumread with no justification.

3. EFHW, who asks "Based on what?" at #695. At least in EFHW's case, she was just ignoring the Glooble wagon and voting Eevee D2.

I think ADK comes off the scummiest of these, though I'm willing to go back and consider Eevee again by now too.
Sorry, Space!  I wasn't trying to not engage with your question, I just wasn't in the head space to think about it at the moment.  I wanted to see what ADK thought about eevee and you, so providing justification seemed counterproductive.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #701 on: October 13, 2020, 11:09:00 am »

Okay, so that's pretty interesting, and shows who's paying attention to what cases to some extent.

I asked about faust and ADK because it's central to the case faust was pushing on Glooble in D2, and in fact faust has now re-posted exactly the key wagon he used for his Glooble case, but with Glooble now coloured green.

The people who reacted to my question are:

1. Eevee at #688, asking why that pair in particular. He was on the Glooble exile wagon, but apparently "Welp I think it's time to vote glooble" was his only justification there (post #633).

The thread seemed dead, it was like two hours before the deadline and I couldn't get back on before it (actually turns out I did, but I didn't know). I had a townread on Glooble all day yesterday, including when I voted, but I figured that Robz knows all that I do, and if he supports the exile it has to be better than noexiling. I think noexiling is pretty much always bad for town, so I did what I felt I needed to.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #702 on: October 13, 2020, 11:10:32 am »

Didds is correct, we need more Galz!

Calling a Galz/Space/Didds scumteam btw, to look cool at the end of the game if I'm right!
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #703 on: October 13, 2020, 11:14:16 am »

I appreciate faust laying his logic so clearly, even if I think there are some leaps there that I wouldn't be comfortable making. In general I'm always pretty wary of "x people were on wagon and x were off so there must be this many scum here and this many scum there" - I just don't think it's ever so clear (like, if that held true couldn't scum just do something else and completely bamboozle us?). I appreciate the effort, and I'm willing to concede you can maybe assign a slightly higher probability for different compositions (like all scum being on or off is probably less likely than them being split), but in no way would I be comfortable asserting "based on these two wagons, there must be exactly one scum between these two people. (sorry that was probably confusing)

Also love you too didds, never taking it personal if someone mistakenly thinks i'm scum, not if it's a wrong!townie or if is a lying!scum. The game is the game!)
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #704 on: October 13, 2020, 11:18:12 am »

Does anyone think it's at all likely that neither faust nor ADK is scum here?
This feels like a pretty scummy post, like Space is gauging what we think so they'd know the optimal plan of attack. Especially because from a townie's perspective literally any pair is likely to have scum in this situation.

In general I think the people who have expressed their stances strongly are townier here, scum wants to maintain maximum flexibility because it's not at all clear who we are exiling and they are fine with literally any but 3 options and want to be able to potentially contribute to them later. I guess by that logic strong scumreads aren't towny, but strong townreads are. So yet more townpoints for ADK!
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #705 on: October 13, 2020, 11:27:05 am »

chairs seems to have stopped posting when people posted suspicions of him, that's not a towny thing to do.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #706 on: October 13, 2020, 12:24:36 pm »

Chairs has been busy IRL, but yes I should post more.

I'm trying to parse the various viewpoints here, but basically the argument is that it is likely to be one of (adk, Eevee, efhw) right?

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #707 on: October 13, 2020, 12:25:04 pm »

Sorry, I guess there's also a SpaceCamp.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #708 on: October 13, 2020, 12:59:14 pm »

Iím waiting in line to vote. Itís a long line. I might be here for three days.

Le sigh...

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #709 on: October 13, 2020, 01:05:56 pm »

Donít give up waiting! Thatís absolutely horrible though. Never had to wait more than 5 minutes in Finland.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #710 on: October 13, 2020, 01:20:58 pm »

I wonít give up! This is the first day of early voting in Texas, so weíre among the enthusiastic. Iím in the shade now, so itís much more pleasant. And the line has moved about 50 meters. Maybe only 90 minutes more?

There is a cat sitting on the front porch of the house across the street. Just lazing in the shade. Swowl totally named this game correctly!

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #711 on: October 13, 2020, 01:47:49 pm »

I really want to vote for Galz, but I sort of have to think scum!Galz would not lurk to this degree...
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #712 on: October 13, 2020, 01:48:30 pm »

Eevee... man, Eevee actually does not sound like scum!Eevee to me.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #713 on: October 13, 2020, 01:50:20 pm »

I keep coming back to this vote count (colors mine):

Joseph (4): Galzria, Dylan, Eevee, Glooble
Glooble (4): ADK, Space, faust, Robz888
EFHW (3): Joseph, MiX, WCD
ADK (2): EFHW, chairs

A couple of interesting observations here:
- the only people off both town wagons are Didds, EFHW, chairs. That set is likely to contain scum.
- Space switches from town!Glooble to known!VT!Joseph soon after. I really don't think that's what scum wants to be doing there. So Space can be town.
- this means that (from my perspective) the only potential scum on the Gooble wagon as ADK.
- we have Galzria and Eevee on the Joseph wagon; I don't think they are both scum. Both were lurky and just went along with the Dylan case, that would make them potential lurker exiles going forward.
- so, where is scum? We have EFHW and chairs on ADK. Suppose EFHW/chairs are a team. I don't see both of them pushing a non-wagon when the EFHW wagon poses a threat right there. At least one of them would join a counterwagon.
- then there is Didds on the EFHW wagon. Same position as ADK on Glooble; only nonconfirmed person on that wagon.

What do we have? {Galz/Eevee} has at most 1 scum, {EFHW/chairs} has at most one scum, Space is town, by PoE there is at least 1 scum in {ADK/Didds}. I'm favoring ADK at the moment as we know that the wagon he was on was on town, whereas EFHW could still be scum.

From this analysis I would most suspect ADK, chairs, Didds
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #714 on: October 13, 2020, 02:02:26 pm »

Eevee... man, Eevee actually does not sound like scum!Eevee to me.
He's turning on the town charm, just like he did the last time I voted him.

Alright, here you go: I am the German Shephard and I investigated Eevee last night. He is mafia.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #715 on: October 13, 2020, 02:08:13 pm »

Wow!!

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #716 on: October 13, 2020, 02:09:22 pm »

Was that your first shot?

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #717 on: October 13, 2020, 02:11:42 pm »

No. N1 was MiX. I was blocked that night, though. Most likely by him, *sigh*
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #718 on: October 13, 2020, 02:16:30 pm »

Cool, cool. Good job, EFHW. Sorry we couldn't figure that out on our own.

Vote: Eevee
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #719 on: October 13, 2020, 02:21:38 pm »

Vote: Eevee

Team, execute plan 2 imo. Obv whatever you feel best, but I think the situation is pretty promising for it.

Thanks all, this was fun! I'll prob take a break again, but see you 2021 and stay safe!
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #720 on: October 13, 2020, 02:24:12 pm »

vote: Eevee.

Thought I already was.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #721 on: October 13, 2020, 02:24:37 pm »

We need one more.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #722 on: October 13, 2020, 02:25:08 pm »

Vote: Eevee

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #723 on: October 13, 2020, 02:25:48 pm »

Vote: Eevee

Team, execute plan 2 imo. Obv whatever you feel best, but I think the situation is pretty promising for it.

Thanks all, this was fun! I'll prob take a break again, but see you 2021 and stay safe!
You too!
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #724 on: October 13, 2020, 02:30:09 pm »

Vote Count 3.Final:

Eevee (5): chairs, Robz888, Eevee, EFHW, WCD
ADK (1): faust

Not Voting (3): ADK, Galz, Space


With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.


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Jesus how did i fuck that up
real good. Thatís how
Town:  12 wins, 9 losses (1 MVP)
Skum: 6 wins, 5 losses (1 MVP)
3-Party: 2 wins, 1 loss
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