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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #600 on: October 08, 2020, 06:26:10 pm »

@faust, your actual assertion was that either Glooble is scum, or he's town with scum already voting there. Obviously you and I can be suspicious of each other for this. Is it time to consider ADK again? I had a residual townread from D1, but I notice you posted at #480 (i.e. well into D2) that you didn't like some of the stuff they were posting. Now you're pressuring Glooble a fair amount, but not ADK. Why the asymmetry there?

I don't think there was a response to this, was there?

I think faust is only really justified in pushing Glooble so hard if he's convinced that ADK is town, and I want to hear more about that.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #601 on: October 08, 2020, 07:25:41 pm »

Robz, why are you on Glooble?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #602 on: October 09, 2020, 01:05:10 am »

@faust, how common is it for you to make this type of "one scum in x" argument based on a wagon? I know it's a very Space thing to do, and I recall a particular game a few years back where scum!you and scum!Haddock basically succeeded in turning town against an even stronger version of the same argument that I was making to say that at least one of you was scum because otherwise there was a five-towns-on-town wagon.
I wouldn't generally make that sort of statement were it not for the facts that (1) the alternate misexile wagon was a VT and (2) the IC put his support behind the wagon. I think both things would scum more eager to join, so it would be particularly notable if they didn't.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #603 on: October 09, 2020, 01:08:20 am »

@faust, your actual assertion was that either Glooble is scum, or he's town with scum already voting there. Obviously you and I can be suspicious of each other for this. Is it time to consider ADK again? I had a residual townread from D1, but I notice you posted at #480 (i.e. well into D2) that you didn't like some of the stuff they were posting. Now you're pressuring Glooble a fair amount, but not ADK. Why the asymmetry there?

I don't think there was a response to this, was there?

I think faust is only really justified in pushing Glooble so hard if he's convinced that ADK is town, and I want to hear more about that.
It's not like i townread ADK hard or anything. Initially I mainly pushed Glooble because he wasn't doing as much. I think his reaction to that does not come from a towny place, and this is what made me stick to the wagon. ADK could still be scum though.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #604 on: October 09, 2020, 07:27:27 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #605 on: October 09, 2020, 07:30:43 am »

It's not like i townread ADK hard or anything. Initially I mainly pushed Glooble because he wasn't doing as much. I think his reaction to that does not come from a towny place, and this is what made me stick to the wagon. ADK could still be scum though.

So could we be seeing some confirmation bias here? Your original case pointed to at least one scum in {Glooble, ADK, me}, but the wagon configuration itself didn't really give you strong evidence which was which. You had a hunch that ADK was less scummy than Glooble, so you went after Glooble pretty hard. Now you're saying the main reason you suspect Glooble is that you dislike his reaction to your pressure, and the wagon evidence that would also implicate ADK is merely secondary. Is that correct?

Just in case it's not clear for everyone else reading along, we'd also expect the wagon behaviour to be quite similar if scum!ADK had been voting town!Glooble, in terms of other scum being reluctant to move there when other options exist. Or, I should point out, scum!faust instead of scum!ADK from my perspective, or even scum!me from everyone else's perspective.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #606 on: October 09, 2020, 07:31:52 am »

For reference:
re: Dylan's long post, I agree with him on most of his points. I don't have a scumread on Galzria, though.

People who were excited by Dylan's scum!Joseph narrative: Dylan, Galzria, Eevee, Glooble, chairs.
People who were not: EFHW, Didds, faust, Space, ADK, Robz, MiX (?).

I think it's reasonable to assume there is at least one scum in {Galz, Eevee, Glooble, chairs}.

PPE: Space
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #607 on: October 09, 2020, 07:36:22 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
Other than Glooble,  unless there's something new.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #608 on: October 09, 2020, 07:42:14 am »

It's not like i townread ADK hard or anything. Initially I mainly pushed Glooble because he wasn't doing as much. I think his reaction to that does not come from a towny place, and this is what made me stick to the wagon. ADK could still be scum though.

So could we be seeing some confirmation bias here? Your original case pointed to at least one scum in {Glooble, ADK, me}, but the wagon configuration itself didn't really give you strong evidence which was which. You had a hunch that ADK was less scummy than Glooble, so you went after Glooble pretty hard. Now you're saying the main reason you suspect Glooble is that you dislike his reaction to your pressure, and the wagon evidence that would also implicate ADK is merely secondary. Is that correct?
Not really. First of all, I always excluded you from the "pushing for Glooble" folks as you switched to Joseph at a crucial time and that doesn't make sense if you are scum and Glooble town. So it was always {Glooble, ADK}. Second, the reaction to pressure is not my main reason to suspect Glooble. The wagon on Glooble during D1 is. His reaction to the pressure is just the reason I push him over ADK.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #609 on: October 09, 2020, 07:43:13 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
Other than Glooble,  unless there's something new.
Why not Glooble?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #610 on: October 09, 2020, 08:33:27 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
Other than Glooble,  unless there's something new.
Why not Glooble?
I think we've been through that already.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #611 on: October 09, 2020, 08:33:54 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
Other than Glooble,  unless there's something new.
Why not Glooble?
I think we've been through that already.
He seems obv!town to me.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #612 on: October 09, 2020, 08:50:00 am »

I still prefer to exile among the people who embraced Dylan's theory with enthusiasm. Eevee seems the most likely to me. Does anyone want argue for someone else?
Other than Glooble,  unless there's something new.
Why not Glooble?
I think we've been through that already.
He seems obv!town to me.
Can you make a case for him being town?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #613 on: October 09, 2020, 08:53:36 am »

Also,

Request prod on Galzria

He's been online on the forums, so it's not like he's completely VLA. And anyways he has no VLA announced.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #614 on: October 09, 2020, 10:39:15 am »

Fwiw Galz is also holding up our codenames - games.

Iím really sorry for being so low energy today. The glooble - faust argument is a bit hard to follow for me. I still think Glooble seems like frustrated town, but i donít think faust looks scummy for pushing his argument. Feels to me that both really believe in what they are saying. I absolutely donít see that as scum v scum, so if one were to flip scum I think the other is almost surely town.

Admittedly I didnít research dylanís case against joseph too heavily - i find it hard to find scum day1, i felt like joseph was contradicting himself in a way where he tried to explain his reads disingenuously, also i didnít find his defense believable after the fact. I like to think i have a good radar for discouraged and frustrated town (itís pinging now for glooble), and joseph really felt very much like caught scum to me.

Today I think most of the noise in the thread is coming from town, just feels like we arenít going anywhere and scum is happy to hang back and hope glooble is lynched. I would look at chairs, galzria, maybe SA or Didds. And yes, I know I havenít been looking hard enough myself, itís not good gameplay from me.

Iím going to be away from keyboard until 6-7 hours from now, but should make it to the deadline if itís when i think it is.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #615 on: October 09, 2020, 10:53:19 am »

So sorry - I was passing out before we made it home from dinner. At work now, but once I deal with the red alert stuff I'll take a moment for this.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #616 on: October 09, 2020, 11:13:47 am »

Robz, why are you on Glooble?

It might be a case of just overly sticking to my guns, but really I've had a scum vibe from him all game.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #617 on: October 09, 2020, 11:27:19 am »

vote: chairs


I'm willign to entertain that faust and I are town v. town.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #618 on: October 09, 2020, 11:29:04 am »

vote: chairs


I'm willign to entertain that faust and I are town v. town.

And chairs is your top scumread after faust?
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« Reply #619 on: October 09, 2020, 12:28:40 pm »

vote: chairs


I'm willign to entertain that faust and I are town v. town.

And chairs is your top scumread after faust?

Chairs is my top scumread who I actually think we have a shot at exiling. I will try and find time today to more fully articulate the case on him, but it mostly comes down to voting very opportunistically, sheeping a lot, and generally seeming to lack conviction. The entire game he's struck me as someone posting for the sake of posting. He made a wallpost on day one which contained no analysis and conveyed no real information.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #620 on: October 09, 2020, 01:26:01 pm »

Galz is holding up our code names game!! He wins the stinker award.

Iím willing to
Vote: chairs
over Glooble or faust. I hear Robz on his Glooble opinion, but I donít get it.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #621 on: October 09, 2020, 01:27:35 pm »


Vote Count 2.4:

Glooble (3): faust, Robz888, ADK
Eevee (2): EFHW, WCD
chairs (1): Eevee
Galzria (1): chairs
faust (1): Glooble

Not Voting (3): Dylan Galz, Space,


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on October 9th at 6:15PM Forum Time.

Holy cow! I didnít realize deadline was today.

We have like 5 hours.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #622 on: October 09, 2020, 01:28:48 pm »

Space, could you please do a space count when you have a chance?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #623 on: October 09, 2020, 01:58:15 pm »

uhm i canít get to computer for like 4 hours, so canít make an alternative case, really think glooble is probably town but also now see that iím the second leading wagon. iíll check back in 1-2 hours.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 2 Has Begun!
« Reply #624 on: October 09, 2020, 01:58:34 pm »

dylan galz and space should vote!
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