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[Uncleeurope]

@MiX

Either tell people I’m Town or kill me.

Do town things.

I’ve done nothing but town things this whole time.

I am screaming I’m Town from the rooftops, but people seem to be ignoring me.

I’d be townreading me, but that isn’t worth much.

[ashersky]

@MiX

Either tell people I’m Town or kill me.

Do town things.

I’ve done nothing but town things this whole time.

I am screaming I’m Town from the rooftops, but people seem to be ignoring me.

I’d be townreading me, but that isn’t worth much.

You could present an alternative.

I think defending yourself only works if there is something specific that is refutable.  Like, my read is just a read, you can't refute it because it's my opinion.  Either I convince people that my opinion is correct, like it was with joth, or you convince people that something else is correct.  I think convincing people I'm wrong is futile and even if you succeed, you leave yourself as the only doable exile as time runs out.

[ashersky]

Uncle:  Hey, did you know that McDonald's was founded in 1954?
Me: Actually, I think it was 1955, but yeah, that's so cool that it's been around so long.
Uncle:  No dude, it was 1954.  I know what I'm talking about.  Who would have thought fast food would make such an impact on society over so many years?
Me: Hmmm...[googles]...yeah, looks like 1955.  April 15 to be exact.  Close though.  Definitely, at the time, I'm sure fast food meant...
Uncle:  Screw you man.  What kind of friend are you?  I can't believe I'm even talking to you.  Even your hair looks stupid.  F this.  I'm out.

Except in the world we are in now, I’m the one that said 1955, you are wrong, and threatening to kill me.

Sooo...

I'm not threatening to do anything.  I can't even vote in this timeline.  I'm just sharing opinions even when I am not part of the timeline because not many other players are doing much of anything.

[ashersky]

prod or sub galz, again

[ashersky]

Ash scumslipped, he thought I could act each night.

We should kill him.

Who did you prime?

[Uncleeurope]

I’m willing to make my alternative Glooble.

I know he interests you.

Prime? I’m going to assume you mean Doctor.

I wasn’t allowed to act last night, so no kill would have happened yet.

That being said, I decided not to act my first night either.

Didn’t have a scum read and had little interest in attempting to doctor someone.

I only get two shots after all.

Plus I saw it as unlikely that I would be executed this game. I am rarely executed...

[Uncleeurope]

Smattering of cases:

PPS is null to everyone - Usually means scum

Cube has a scumtell (I think) that he seems to be falling into this game. It’s at least something I have on file for the guy, I could easily be wrong, but he did the tell, so...

Glooble I trust more... but is definitely more likely to be scum than I am.

Awaclus...

MiX is posting not at all, which is a MiX-has-been-body-swapped-tell. He could be scum based on that alone. It’s weirdong me out and I can’t shake it. That being said, I have no real reason to distrust him.

I think WCD is town.

There. That’s about it.

[Swowl]

Prods have been sent to players requested.
Galzria has been given a 24 hour warning. A sub will be put in if they cannot post within that window

[ashersky]

You write a post where you put up Glooble as the alternative.

In the next post, you have him like 3rd on your list, making him basically a self-preservation candidate.

That's..not good.

And remember, I'm on the Glooble bandwagon given his D2 jothfest.

[Uncleeurope]

That’s exactly what it is, a self-preservation pick.

[Uncleeurope]

I’m looking at Glooble differently than you, I don’t think he would be this emphatic about a wrong opinion two days in a row as scum.

That’s why I town read him.

Once I flip town, would you change your mind about Glooble?

Because that’s the perspective I see him in.

That being said, send him into the fire of it means I live.

[Galzria]

Posting within that window.

Ugh.

My motivation to play here has been very lacking recently. That’s on nobody but me. Truth is this whole setup had me not in a good place. I struggle mightily D1 in general - so do a lot of people, do not really using it as an excuse, just saying... Additionally, being “disabled” D1 just made it that much worse for me. D2, when I was on the active Timeline I was legitimately swamped with work. And now... we’re back to me being disabled.

I’m not blaming the setup - I actually think it’s really cool. It has just not worked for me here.

Alright - I’m going to spend tomorrow morning and afternoon doing my best to get caught up and involved. If I’m unable to do so I will ask to sub out.

[Dylan32]

Sorry, I've started to post and gotten distracted by life like 3 times the last couple days...

[Dylan32]

So at this point, I am kind of scumready Eddie and Glooble for different reasons, but I'm not sure if they would be scum together.

Post #941 is interesting, and I kind of think scummy from Glooble because he was all in on Joth's 2-2 assumption was reasonable and Joth was town, but here he seems completely ready to accept a different possibility. It seems to me like scum!Joth got caught in part because he felt particularly comfortable with the 2-2 assumption, which with his flip is fairly likely to suggest it really is 2-2 since Joth was just saying things he knew to be true a little bit more confidently than town that was guessing would. Of course maybe that was a lie and Joth was just unlucky enough to get caught even though the initial reasons for it were just completely wrong, ultimately it doesn't matter.

But now for Glooble to bail on that assumption this easily feels more like scum A) distancing from a flipped partner's stated opinions B) distancing from the stance they had taken earlier that got a partner exiled or C) scum now trying to steer town away from the true information that was accidentally strongly confirmed by a partner's statements and flip.

[Dylan32]

Honestly, I agree with a lot of what Ash said about Eddie's tone and defense of himself. Maybe it is what he normally does, but I don't remember any of our previous games and constantly saying "I'm so towny and have only done towny things, I'm super cereal you guys! Listen to me so we can stop Manbearpig mafia, guys!"

I also don't like that Ash reasonably told Eddie that the way to avoid being the exile was to layout a case on someone else and convince town they are better (I agree and have been waiting for Eddie to try to do that for a while), but Eddie's response isn't to build a case on someone he thinks is scummier, it's a pure self-pres wagon that he thought would be easy to get through that he had a townread on... That just seems more scum than town.

If I were active timeline, I'd vote Eddie and move on to tomorrow, but would rather see Glooble flip than anyone else in lieu of that.

[Glooble]

When scum emphatically wants town to believe something, it seems worthwhile to reconsider that assumption. Your read of joth in lieu of his flip was that 2 per timeline was more likely. My view was that it was now less likely, because one of its main proponents turned out to be scum - I.e. a person with a vested interest in killing us.

It’s like if I believed, based on independent research, that alligators wouldn’t eat people and there was someone I trusted who strongly agreed with that assumption, then I found out that person was actually an alligator who ate people. It might cause me to re-examine.

[Glooble]

I’m willing to make my alternative Glooble.

I know he interests you.

Prime? I’m going to assume you mean Doctor.

I wasn’t allowed to act last night, so no kill would have happened yet.

That being said, I decided not to act my first night either.

Didn’t have a scum read and had little interest in attempting to doctor someone.

I only get two shots after all.

Plus I saw it as unlikely that I would be executed this game. I am rarely executed...

Eddie or Glooble, whichever of you are scum...
Does scum have day-chat this game? Are you QT buddies with a scum-mate? Will you be coordinating your votes with them?

(I'd ask scola too, but he's not Active timeline... guess you can still answer the first two questions).

I’m pretty suspicious I have daychat with scum, yes.

This looks like that scumread you claim not to have had.

[Glooble]

If I’m not being clear, I’m saying Eddie was clearly scumreading joth at the end of day one, which fits the rest of the narrative he has clung to about joth, but now he states he “didn’t have any scumreads” at the end of day one.

How many more lies does he have to do before one of you hammers him?

[Uncleeurope]

If I’m not being clear, I’m saying Eddie was clearly scumreading joth at the end of day one, which fits the rest of the narrative he has clung to about joth, but now he states he “didn’t have any scumreads” at the end of day one.

How many more lies does he have to do before one of you hammers him?

They aren’t lies. They are odd little wigglinga in language.

At that point, I had seen Joth post a handful of times, I’m an inactive timeline, and yes, I did scumread him, but I wasn’t going to shoot him in the head for that. I figured letting him vote around world would be a good thing to see.

And I honestly feel very rewarded for waiting. I would have wasted the shot.

I would make the same decision all over again. 0 regret.

[Uncleeurope]

I’m going to reiterate something:

Scum are very good at sticking to a narrative, town is not.

You have “caught” me, like 12 times “failing” to maintain a narrative. Scum me would have no problem having a clear “I scumread Joth” narrative, (and any of the thee bits to my scum story/narrative) and would have had no problem mentioning that.

These “lies” are me being Town. Those “towny things” people want from me, I’m doing them all the time.

[Uncleeurope]

It does not feel like Glooble is evil. He is where people are pushing when they aren’t going for me.

I think it’s clearly Cube with a possibility of PPS.

If anyone wants to vote for either of those 2 I will.

I’ll even vote Glooble, him flipping will still give us info.


Just like me flipping would...

But, ya know, I’m Town.

[MiX]

I see I've been quoted. Neat.

Hmm, I kinda wanna hammer Uncle...should I reread before that? Probably?

I have a feeling everyone's waiting on me...

[pingpongsam]

I see I've been quoted. Neat.

Hmm, I kinda wanna hammer Uncle...should I reread before that? Probably?

I have a feeling everyone's waiting on me...

Hyper fell out after the weekend. You're the only one left, right?

[Uncleeurope]

I see I've been quoted. Neat.

Hmm, I kinda wanna hammer Uncle...should I reread before that? Probably?

I have a feeling everyone's waiting on me...

You can if you want, man. But I’ll scum read you for it. And you wouldn’t want to be scum read by a corpse.

[Uncleeurope]

If we kill me the next cycle of thks timeline will be 2 v 2 (maybe)

So this is kinda like this timeline’s version of LyLo.