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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #950 on: May 25, 2021, 05:02:26 pm »

Or, hmm, chairs was poisoned.

Because of the “Sorry for the delay” bit? That’s a bit weak considering Swowl was late to deadline there.

What? No. If there's only 1 scum in forward timeline, chairs' death would have been due to poisoning.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #951 on: May 25, 2021, 05:11:45 pm »

Or, hmm, chairs was poisoned.

Because of the “Sorry for the delay” bit? That’s a bit weak considering Swowl was late to deadline there.

What? No. If there's only 1 scum in forward timeline, chairs' death would have been due to poisoning.

Okay, I thought that was tied to your flavor digging from before, that makes more sense.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #952 on: May 25, 2021, 05:24:20 pm »

Am I to understand the uncle vs. PPS thing is solely based on the still ridiculous belief that we somehow know exactly how many non-town we have in this timeline based on that Mathdude guess?  Because that's a terrible reason to limit discussion to two players.  (The irony, of course, being that I used an argument against that belief as a reason to limit discussion to two players.  But that's okay, because I was right.)

Do you think joth was lying when he implied there were two scum per timeline?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #953 on: May 25, 2021, 05:29:58 pm »

I think having one timeline start at a 3 v 5 is insane.

I think it’s max 2 baddies per timeline.

The question is mpreso: are there 3 or 4 baddies.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #954 on: May 25, 2021, 05:39:00 pm »

Wait wait wait.

If there's 3 scum in reverse, we can't kill scum today.

So that shouldn't even be considered, regardless of truth.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #955 on: May 25, 2021, 05:41:19 pm »

Wait wait wait.

If there's 3 scum in reverse, we can't kill scum today.

So that shouldn't even be considered, regardless of truth.

Then I’m a fantastic kill.

(Seriously, though, what’s the issue with killing a scum in a 3-1 scenario? Are you thinking the scum are on opposite teams? Why are you thinking that? Because they are killing accrross timelines?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #956 on: May 25, 2021, 07:52:55 pm »

Uncle scumslipped.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #957 on: May 25, 2021, 07:53:15 pm »

Uncle scumslipped.

Where, in the claims?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #958 on: May 25, 2021, 07:53:32 pm »

(Seriously, though, what’s the issue with killing a scum in a 3-1 scenario? Are you thinking the scum are on opposite teams? Why are you thinking that? Because they are killing accrross timelines?

The issue is that if there are 3 scum in reverse, there are also only 3 town. It takes 4 to exile.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #959 on: May 25, 2021, 07:56:00 pm »

Also, as pointed out, there's really no other option today anyway.

Also also, it's Day 3, which means two nights have passed, so where's his nk?  That's suspect to me, as with such a lengthy process to get your power to work, he should have been doing his best.  At least claimed you primed someone who was then exiled or something.

Also, killing powers that require priming are basically always non-town.  Poison Doctor-Vigilante definitely sounds like a wacky fakeclaim to cover up very normal mafia powers.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #960 on: May 25, 2021, 07:56:30 pm »

That’s because Cube was badgering me about nonsense.

But whatever.

Not much more I can do there.

Other than wait for MiX to either defend or condemn me.

Or Cube could just hammer me.

I am absolutely bewildered as to why people would assume my behavior this game would come from a scum player who was actually trying to win the game.

Oh wait, no. My behavior is a “scum player who lost a partner” and apparently I couldn’t care less about my other partners?

*rolls eyes*
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #961 on: May 25, 2021, 07:58:28 pm »

It's not that town players can't make assumptions about the number of non-town in the game.  It's the way he responded specifically to my point and assumed I was assuming joth was his only partner.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #962 on: May 25, 2021, 08:03:45 pm »

It's not that town players can't make assumptions about the number of non-town in the game.  It's the way he responded specifically to my point and assumed I was assuming joth was his only partner.

I don't get it. I'll probably never get it.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #963 on: May 25, 2021, 08:05:06 pm »

Also, almost every single post has been flippant and dismissive, and not in a faust way.  There are usually two reasons for that type of play: pressure or character.

I don't know uncle, although we've played before.  I do know the community, and we have all sometimes lost our way, but we generally find a way back, usually through reflection, a time away, or meaningful apologies and conversation.  So I'm ruling out character here.

That leaves pressure.  Players respond in different ways to pressure when non-town.  That's one of the big ways we try to catch them.  That's how I zeroed in on joth.  Uncle using insults and sarcasm really reads as a player who is deflecting his own feelings of nervousness and fear to others.

Have you ever had that friend or acquaintance that, when they say something incorrect and it is pointed out to them, they just get mean and nasty instead of thankful or humble?  It's like that, only it's caught mafia instead of a wrong answer to a random trivia question or something.

To bring back my example I used with joth:

Uncle:  Hey, did you know that McDonald's was founded in 1954?
Me: Actually, I think it was 1955, but yeah, that's so cool that it's been around so long.
Uncle:  No dude, it was 1954.  I know what I'm talking about.  Who would have thought fast food would make such an impact on society over so many years?
Me: Hmmm...[googles]...yeah, looks like 1955.  April 15 to be exact.  Close though.  Definitely, at the time, I'm sure fast food meant...
Uncle:  Screw you man.  What kind of friend are you?  I can't believe I'm even talking to you.  Even your hair looks stupid.  F this.  I'm out.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #964 on: May 25, 2021, 08:08:05 pm »

It's not that town players can't make assumptions about the number of non-town in the game.  It's the way he responded specifically to my point and assumed I was assuming joth was his only partner.

I don't get it. I'll probably never get it.

Well, you make assumptions in a way different to most players.  It brings a diverse and useful point of view to the game, actually.  You don't always present in the best way, though.  (As you know, as has been pointed out many times, if you would present your thoughts as ideas and possibilities instead of facts and certainties, you'd get way more traction.)

I think people make assumptions in game based on their knowledge gleaned from their role in the game.  So a mafia player ends up reacting to every other post in the game with that angle, whether they want to or not.  If uncle is a member of a 3-person mafia team, that's something he cannot unlearn.  He can definitely work to hide it.

When I wrote a sentence that could be taken to mean I think he is a member of a 2-person mafia team, he couldn't help but correct me.  That's the slip.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #965 on: May 25, 2021, 08:14:58 pm »

I don't know uncle, although we've played before.  I do know the community, and we have all sometimes lost our way, but we generally find a way back, usually through reflection, a time away, or meaningful apologies and conversation.  So I'm ruling out character here.

I don't understand how you ruled out character.

It's not that town players can't make assumptions about the number of non-town in the game.  It's the way he responded specifically to my point and assumed I was assuming joth was his only partner.

I don't get it. I'll probably never get it.

When I wrote a sentence that could be taken to mean I think he is a member of a 2-person mafia team, he couldn't help but correct me.  That's the slip.

But that was his argument. He couldn't not correct you and say what he said at the same time.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #966 on: May 25, 2021, 08:18:27 pm »

But that was his argument. He couldn't not correct you and say what he said at the same time.

How would he know that there's something that needs correcting?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #967 on: May 25, 2021, 09:05:48 pm »

I will say that I have no idea what you see.

But one thing is certain: I definitely didn’t scumslip.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #968 on: May 25, 2021, 09:08:14 pm »

Ohhh, I get it. Yeah, I have been assuming a single team this whole time.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #969 on: May 25, 2021, 09:10:18 pm »

I thought you were saying I was throwing, which would be ridiculous if I had more partners.

So yes, it was an assumption, but hardly a scummy one.

And my kill won’t happen until tonight. (It actually won’t happen tonight either because I didn’t act last night, as previously stated)

(I wanted to wait on a scum read)

(I have those now, I can start killing!)

(In three nights...)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #970 on: May 25, 2021, 09:21:33 pm »

Ash scumslipped, he thought I could act each night.

We should kill him.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #971 on: May 25, 2021, 09:27:43 pm »

Uncle:  Hey, did you know that McDonald's was founded in 1954?
Me: Actually, I think it was 1955, but yeah, that's so cool that it's been around so long.
Uncle:  No dude, it was 1954.  I know what I'm talking about.  Who would have thought fast food would make such an impact on society over so many years?
Me: Hmmm...[googles]...yeah, looks like 1955.  April 15 to be exact.  Close though.  Definitely, at the time, I'm sure fast food meant...
Uncle:  Screw you man.  What kind of friend are you?  I can't believe I'm even talking to you.  Even your hair looks stupid.  F this.  I'm out.

Except in the world we are in now, I’m the one that said 1955, you are wrong, and threatening to kill me.

Sooo...
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #972 on: May 25, 2021, 09:49:59 pm »

By the way: I am having fun, and am in no way upset. Confused and amused? Yes, but not upset.

Please take my whining to be what I mean it to be: a juvenile temper tantrum for my own amusement.

That being said, let’s do a more realistic example:

Ash: Your middle name is Greg
Uncle: Nah, it’s not.
Ash: I’m pretty sure it is.
Uncle: The PM I got from Swowl says that my middle name is Green.
Ash: Well, let’s kill you.
Uncle: I am thoroughly confused as to how that could be the next logical step at this moment.
Ash: Nah, you accidentally said that your middle name started with a G. I know it’s Greg.
Uncle: Okay, but you are wrong, and I will likely laugh at your foolishness. And probably mock you.
Ash: But laughing is rude?

(But seriously, though, I am not intending to be a jerk here, and don’t mean any I’ll intent to any of you people)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #973 on: May 25, 2021, 10:01:34 pm »

@MiX

Either tell people I’m Town or kill me.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #974 on: May 25, 2021, 10:12:43 pm »

@MiX

Either tell people I’m Town or kill me.

Do town things.
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