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Author Topic: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!  (Read 130659 times)

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #925 on: May 24, 2021, 08:38:51 pm »

I had no actual read on uncle before.  I now have a straight mafia read on him, based solely on his posts since whenever I last posted.

Everything is OMGUS, self-referential meta explanations, and doubling-down the claim.  Pretty straightforward "mafia who lost a partner" play, really.

Glooble's case seemed okay, helpful to see the posts together.  Forgetting the claim in the QT is pretty bad.  Lukewarm defense of joth resembles Scola, so that could be the three-person team if that's what we are looking for.

Am I to understand the uncle vs. PPS thing is solely based on the still ridiculous belief that we somehow know exactly how many non-town we have in this timeline based on that Mathdude guess?  Because that's a terrible reason to limit discussion to two players.  (The irony, of course, being that I used an argument against that belief as a reason to limit discussion to two players.  But that's okay, because I was right.)

Also, PPS is worth keeping around.  His running commentary on my play makes for a more fun game.  If he's mafia, he'll slip before the end of the game.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #926 on: May 24, 2021, 08:39:33 pm »

Also...

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #927 on: May 24, 2021, 09:30:19 pm »

Also, PPS is worth keeping around.  His running commentary on my play makes for a more fun game.  If he's mafia, he'll slip before the end of the game.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #928 on: May 24, 2021, 09:50:32 pm »

I had no actual read on uncle before.  I now have a straight mafia read on him, based solely on his posts since whenever I last posted.

Everything is OMGUS, self-referential meta explanations, and doubling-down the claim.  Pretty straightforward "mafia who lost a partner" play, really.

Glooble's case seemed okay, helpful to see the posts together.  Forgetting the claim in the QT is pretty bad.  Lukewarm defense of joth resembles Scola, so that could be the three-person team if that's what we are looking for.

Am I to understand the uncle vs. PPS thing is solely based on the still ridiculous belief that we somehow know exactly how many non-town we have in this timeline based on that Mathdude guess?  Because that's a terrible reason to limit discussion to two players.  (The irony, of course, being that I used an argument against that belief as a reason to limit discussion to two players.  But that's okay, because I was right.)

Also, PPS is worth keeping around.  His running commentary on my play makes for a more fun game.  If he's mafia, he'll slip before the end of the game.

I voted and scumread all parties before they pointed at me. So that’s a load of garbage.

Town forgets things too (and even more than scum)

My meta is to self-referential meta explain. Read any town game where I get pushed.

I did lose a partner, but only from my QT.


Booooring, I want a better case on me than that. Something worth the effort of posting.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #929 on: May 24, 2021, 09:54:17 pm »

Also,  I have no idea what “doubling down on claim” means.

So you’re going to have to explain that one to me, it’s possible that’s a worthy argument.

Are you talking about my little duel with Cube?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #930 on: May 24, 2021, 10:34:46 pm »

What I meant was that you have basically repeated your claim multiple times, tying it to you being town.  That action in and of itself isn't alignment-indicative, but I think that it is more often repeated when the claim is fake.

To me, the first claim was fine.  When it has been discussed by you in subsequent posts, though, it reads as though you are just repeating the same language.  There are aspects that seem like you are being careful not to mess up the claim.  And no "new" information came with any subsequent posts.

Like, a quick example below.  Imagine each new line is a new post, with the game going on between.

"I'm a cop."
"No, I don't want to share results."
"I think it's better if I don't."
"Fine, I got innocent on X."
"Yes, I know they already flipped, so it's convenient."
"I targeted Y on N2 but got no result."

That's sort of a normal chain of a cop claim.  It's definitely fake-able, but makes sense.  Here's how your thread reads to me:

"I know there's poison in the game but I'm no poisoner, so you should definitely assume I'm a poison doctor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Okay, yeah, you got my super subtle hint there.  I'm a poison doctor."
"Yeah, I'm a poison doctor."
"The word poison might show up in a flip because I'm a poison doctor."
"Poison doctor poison doctor.  Two words are important.  Poison doctor."
"Poison.  Doctor."
"If I flip town, you'll know I'm poison doctor without the word poison.  Poison Doctor.  If I flip red, I'm lying.  Poison Doctor."
"P-p-p-poisoooooooooon Doctor!"

You "full claimed" after a long run of that and no one really liking it.  That is what I mean about your double-down.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #931 on: May 24, 2021, 10:51:12 pm »

That’s because Cube was badgering me about nonsense.

But whatever.

Not much more I can do there.

Other than wait for MiX to either defend or condemn me.

Or Cube could just hammer me.

I am absolutely bewildered as to why people would assume my behavior this game would come from a scum player who was actually trying to win the game.

Oh wait, no. My behavior is a “scum player who lost a partner” and apparently I couldn’t care less about my other partners?

*rolls eyes*
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #932 on: May 24, 2021, 10:53:26 pm »

Also, did you want me to just go “I’m a poison doctor who can kill people” out of the gate?

You even questioned my initial poison claim IIRC. Of course I would hide the juicy bit until later.

Anyone would.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #933 on: May 24, 2021, 10:58:04 pm »

Also also, do you think I made up the killing part after I thought you guys “didn’t like” my previous claim?

Uhhhh... no.

First of all, the thematic reasonings, also the thematic reasonings, and there’s also the flavor to consider.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #934 on: May 24, 2021, 11:05:05 pm »

Also also, do you think I made up the killing part after I thought you guys “didn’t like” my previous claim?

Uhhhh... no.

First of all, the thematic reasonings, also the thematic reasonings, and there’s also the flavor to consider.

It's not an uncle fakeclaim if it doesn't look awesome.

Other than wait for MiX to either defend or condemn me.

I feel the pressure here. Thankfully I can just say I didn't reread anything yet. I'm actually paying attention to the thread though, and sadly uncle does seem like he can be scum. I also townread hyper, so...

Hopefully this changes with a reread so I can earn the glory of defending uncle and being correct in doing so.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #935 on: May 24, 2021, 11:07:27 pm »

I'm still scumreading Glooble the most. I find Eddie believable for the moment. I'm on my phone, did the kill flavor reflect poisoning or delay at all?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #936 on: May 24, 2021, 11:10:45 pm »

I'm still scumreading Glooble the most. I find Eddie believable for the moment. I'm on my phone, did the kill flavor reflect poisoning or delay at all?

No, not at all.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #937 on: May 24, 2021, 11:30:04 pm »

Also also, do you think I made up the killing part after I thought you guys “didn’t like” my previous claim?

Uhhhh... no.

First of all, the thematic reasonings, also the thematic reasonings, and there’s also the flavor to consider.

It's not an uncle fakeclaim if it doesn't look awesome.

Other than wait for MiX to either defend or condemn me.

I feel the pressure here. Thankfully I can just say I didn't reread anything yet. I'm actually paying attention to the thread though, and sadly uncle does seem like he can be scum. I also townread hyper, so...

Hopefully this changes with a reread so I can earn the glory of defending uncle and being correct in doing so.

Even though I asked you to trust me, you complying is making me uneasy.

No one ever trusts me.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #938 on: May 25, 2021, 02:49:07 pm »

Well, this day stalled out.

I tried to reread PPS but it honestly came out extremely null. Lots of setup talk in the early day 1, more or less agreed with me on mathdude's plan usage, and then came down pretty hard anti-joth day 2 but then of course revealed that he thought ash was soft-claiming cop. It's all very NAI and I'm finding it hard to care when I have a scumread on Uncle that's so much stronger.

Also, the wagon is stalled at E-1, I seem to recall folks yesterday saying that was a pretty good indicator that the wagon might be on scum.

Cube, MiX - care to put us out of our collective misery and end the day already? We have the ash stamp of approval.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #939 on: May 25, 2021, 02:56:56 pm »

Scummy/Towny players are usually town and null players are usually scum.

Just a bit of advice.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #940 on: May 25, 2021, 02:59:50 pm »

Weird how there’s no counter-wagon.

And how uninvested the other timeline is. Surely my other partner over there would be doing... something...
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #941 on: May 25, 2021, 03:05:03 pm »

Weird how there’s no counter-wagon.

And how uninvested the other timeline is. Surely my other partner over there would be doing... something...

Especially since if it's 3/1 we pretty much know that this is the timeline with the 1.

Right?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #942 on: May 25, 2021, 03:14:17 pm »

Weird how there’s no counter-wagon.

And how uninvested the other timeline is. Surely my other partner over there would be doing... something...

Especially since if it's 3/1 we pretty much know that this is the timeline with the 1.

Right?

Why is 3-1 suddenly a theory? Did I miss that one?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #943 on: May 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pm »

(That’s also more reason to think that the other timeline would giggle a crap about me)

But hey, maybe they are sending me off into the sunset for being so bad at playing as scum.

I probably deserve it.

To be fair I didn’t know I was scum, which makes it harder to behave like one.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #944 on: May 25, 2021, 03:19:42 pm »

(That’s also more reason to think that the other timeline would give a crap about me)

But hey, maybe they are sending me off into the sunset for being so bad at playing as scum.

I probably deserve it.

To be fair I didn’t know I was scum, which makes it harder to behave like one.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #945 on: May 25, 2021, 03:26:39 pm »

Weird how there’s no counter-wagon.

And how uninvested the other timeline is. Surely my other partner over there would be doing... something...

Especially since if it's 3/1 we pretty much know that this is the timeline with the 1.

Right?

Why is 3-1 suddenly a theory? Did I miss that one?

There's only so many possible configurations.

But chairs was killed, and if joth was the sole scum in the forward timeline that seems impossible.

Ergo, if it is 3 - 1, then it's 3 forward, 1 reverse.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #946 on: May 25, 2021, 03:33:00 pm »

Or, hmm, chairs was poisoned.
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« Reply #947 on: May 25, 2021, 03:52:24 pm »

Or, hmm, chairs was poisoned.

I suppose.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #948 on: May 25, 2021, 04:43:50 pm »

Vote Count 3.2:

Eddie (3): Awaclus, PPS, Glooble
PPS (1): Eddie
Not Voting (8): MiX, EFHW, WCD, scolapasta, Galzria, Ashersky, Dylan32, hypercube


With 6 alive on the ACTIVE TIMELINE, it takes 4 to Exile.
Day 3 ends Friday, May 28th at 1:05am Forum Time.

Today the active timeline is the REVERSE TIMELINE. We will remain in the REVERSE TIMELINE until the start of Day 2.
Only players from the currently active timeline may vote, or be voted for.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #949 on: May 25, 2021, 05:01:18 pm »

Or, hmm, chairs was poisoned.

Because of the “Sorry for the delay” bit? That’s a bit weak considering Swowl was late to deadline there.
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