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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #900 on: May 24, 2021, 10:21:49 am »

What do you guys have to say about Ash and Didds TRing me?

So...uncle could have messed up his fakeclaim here.

You mean this?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #901 on: May 24, 2021, 10:26:04 am »

What do you guys have to say about Ash and Didds TRing me?

So...uncle could have messed up his fakeclaim here.

You mean this?

That’s the one!

(Not being able to easily pull quotes is hurting my soul)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #902 on: May 24, 2021, 10:27:26 am »

In all seriousness, I forgot about that.

He must have been having a bad day at that point.

We’ve all been there.

If you need a hug, Ash, I’m always here*




*if I don’t get killed.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #903 on: May 24, 2021, 10:36:51 am »

My title is “Insulin Doctor” don’t know what to tell you man, I didn’t design this game.

Eh, I’ll give it all, I don’t mind, it’s cool to talk about anyway. I’m actually quite poised here, because I can kill and scum will want to keep me alive.

Sammy here:
I am a 2-shot Poison doctor that will kill any player I use both shots (heh) on.

That’s it, full stop.

Wanted to wait to use my power until I knew who to kill. (So I haven’t used it yet)

So your flavour name is Sammy and your role is Insulin Doctor? That seems to contradict this:

Green: My role has the word “poison” in it.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #904 on: May 24, 2021, 10:38:15 am »

My role does have the word poison in it.

Just not in the title. Have you been reading the fight between PPS and I?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #905 on: May 24, 2021, 10:40:35 am »

Cube does this every game I’ve been with him as scum.

Theorize about weird scenarios and loosely throw guilt at people and try to catch people in lies that they would never mess up if hey were actually scum.

He wants to scum read people for lying, not being suspicious.

Don’t don’t usually scum!slip though.

Not in my experience.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #906 on: May 24, 2021, 10:41:36 am »

Scum don’t usually scumslip though*
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #907 on: May 24, 2021, 10:46:57 am »

(By the way, thanks for not waiting until end of day to get this conversation going)

(I saw it coming and wanted an early start, it means a lot to me)

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #908 on: May 24, 2021, 10:49:18 am »

Also, I didn’t address the “clever distancing” that I did with Joth yesterday.

I don’t do that as scum, it’s not my meta.

It’s actually a weakness of mine.

I’m a busser or a truster.

I’ve seen too many partners get caught from distancing, So ages ago I lost my ability to do that well.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #909 on: May 24, 2021, 10:55:55 am »

My middle name is scumslip, I am forever proof that scumslips happen.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #910 on: May 24, 2021, 10:57:50 am »

My role does have the word poison in it.

Just not in the title. Have you been reading the fight between PPS and I?

I have been reading it - your position doesn't make sense to me. The title is the part of a role that's revealed when there's a flip, e.g. we know chairs is a Modified Motion Detector but not what that means.

Theorize about weird scenarios and loosely throw guilt at people and try to catch people in lies that they would never mess up if hey were actually scum.

What weird scenario am I theorizing about?

Scum don’t usually scumslip though*

We have one dead joth here which indicates otherwise. (Actually that's an important point, joth flipping scum is strong evidence for 2 scum in this timeline)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #911 on: May 24, 2021, 10:58:27 am »

My middle name is scumslip, I am forever proof that scumslips happen.

And mine is townslip.

Forever proof that middle names don’t matter.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #912 on: May 24, 2021, 11:07:10 am »

My role does have the word poison in it.

Just not in the title. Have you been reading the fight between PPS and I?

I have been reading it - your position doesn't make sense to me. The title is the part of a role that's revealed when there's a flip, e.g. we know chairs is a Modified Motion Detector but not what that means.

Theorize about weird scenarios and loosely throw guilt at people and try to catch people in lies that they would never mess up if hey were actually scum.

What weird scenario am I theorizing about?

Scum don’t usually scumslip though*

We have one dead joth here which indicates otherwise. (Actually that's an important point, joth flipping scum is strong evidence for 2 scum in this timeline)

My ability won’t be revealed, my name and title will be.

My ability uses the word poison (something confirmed when I flip green because I didn’t lie)

My title won’t use the word poison (something confirmed with eyes)

This is not an argument. There is nothing here indicative of anything.

The other points against me are better. Use one of those.




You are theorizing that I scum slipped based on nothing, (reaching for scumminess) and when I jumped down your throat the other day it was for the same thing. I can’t remember the post.

You did something similar when I was the Fool in Stormlight. You said I was cult leader. I can only assume it’s a scum tell to mention (and vote using) extremely odd theories that are “catching” someone in something they said. You thought I had claimed CL, which a CL wouldn’t ever do. You thought I (as scum) forgot what my lie was, (heh) instead of it being semantics.



Was Joth putted for a scum slip or a scum tell? My understanding was it was for a tell. His reaction to pressure was bad.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #913 on: May 24, 2021, 11:11:54 am »

Eddie, I don't believe you've responded to my actual scumslip that I found.

When you were recapping your QT to me at the beginning of this day, why didn't you mention joth saying his role was scummy?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #914 on: May 24, 2021, 11:19:31 am »

Eddie, I don't believe you've responded to my actual scumslip that I found.

When you were recapping your QT to me at the beginning of this day, why didn't you mention joth saying his role was scummy?

I forgot.

Something town does far more often than scum by the way...

But, yeah. That whole recap post was done from memory. Hard to navigate QTs and stuff at the same time (did I mention I have been phone posting?)

But like I said, Scum me doesn’t get caught in lies like that. Ask MIX, whenever I have a fake conversation with a partner in these games I plan everything out.

So in the end, because I know this, I probably would have recounted my fake conversation from memory as well, so this whole thing is NAI.

Were you expecting another answer besides “I forgot” ?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #915 on: May 24, 2021, 11:22:56 am »

My ability won’t be revealed, my name and title will be.

My ability uses the word poison (something confirmed when I flip green because I didn’t lie)

My title won’t use the word poison (something confirmed with eyes)

This is not an argument. There is nothing here indicative of anything.

The other points against me are better. Use one of those.

You are theorizing that I scum slipped based on nothing, (reaching for scumminess) and when I jumped down your throat the other day it was for the same thing. I can’t remember the post.

OK, so you meant "Me flipping will give Town this info: Green: My role has the word “poison” in it." as "Me flipping green will make you believe me." That's why I wanted you to clarify - I did not, as you are saying, jump down your throat and insist you'd scumslipped.

You did something similar when I was the Fool in Stormlight. You said I was cult leader. I can only assume it’s a scum tell to mention (and vote using) extremely odd theories that are “catching” someone in something they said. You thought I had claimed CL, which a CL wouldn’t ever do. You thought I (as scum) forgot what my lie was, (heh) instead of it being semantics.

The cult leader thing is a great example of an off-the-wall theory, I don't think "Eddie is scum" is a weird theory here.

Was Joth putted for a scum slip or a scum tell? My understanding was it was for a tell. His reaction to pressure was bad.

ash pointed out something that could be a scumslip and then joth folded under the pressure. The first part was important for getting to the second part.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #916 on: May 24, 2021, 11:30:45 am »

I don't buy it.

I think you forgot that you had told us that joth claimed to you in the QT.

On another note, chairs was a modified motion detector. So if he was trying to breadcrumb a result on Eddie, what kind of incriminating result might he have gotten? A normal motion detector can only tell if an action was performed by or on a player. But modified probably means chairs was able to get a little more info (just because I can't imagine a role that gives less info, motion detector is pretty much the bare minimum.)

Eddie claims to have taken no actions, right? If he has two shots, and he preferred to use the vig ability which expends both of them? So if chairs saw anything and Eddie is telling the truth, that means someone targeted Eddie. Anyone want to own up to that?

I really think chairs was breadcrumbing, by the way. I just don't see any other reason he says that. Given how generally inactive he was, given the total lack of context for that statement, it just seems like a very clear case of "if I'm not around to claim this result later, kill Eddie."
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #917 on: May 24, 2021, 11:40:38 am »

I didn’t take an action, and I also saw that he was motion detector.

Claiming that is daring, wouldn’t you say? [Insert Pubby Glasses here]

And I’m not even going to bother with your claim about me messing up my fake claim.

Other than “The moment I claimed that Joth claimed a scummy role to me I woulda written it down and the act of writing it down would have made sure I never forgot.

Probably.

And I also knew nothing I said would have made you change your mind. Do you ever change your mind, Glooble?
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« Reply #918 on: May 24, 2021, 11:49:19 am »

Do you ever change your mind, Glooble?

Believe it or not going into this day it was a dead heat between you and PPS, and now I'm pretty convinced its you. So I did change my mind.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #919 on: May 24, 2021, 11:54:07 am »

Things from rereading PPS:

I didn't get much from his D1, lots of setup talk.

D2 he does go after joth a lot, however he says lateish in the day that he was doing that because he assumed ash had a result on joth. In light of that, I don't think he really deserves credit for wanting to exile joth, given that scum!PPS would probably see a good opportunity to bus if joth was actually incriminated.

Solid argument, can't disagree there. Wish someone had brought that up earlier, haha. I was literally assuming Joth to be scum because ash made a statement suggesting he had results. My brain didn't fill in that blank, though. Was the rest of my analysis deeply colored by that assumption? Yes. Is it thus wrong? Not necessarily.

D3 there's this business of forgetting how mathdude's result worked. What's kind of interesting is that this:

So, it's just a simple commitment to the assumption that 2 scum would not have been on the math wagon?

is only an hour away from this:

I think the whole nature of the mathdude kamikaze circumstance makes the wagon analysis a complete shot in the dark. What about anyone's position on or off the wagon tells us their potential alignment? It was a town gambit that required town participation to happen. I find it ironic that his name is mathdude and as a very non mathdude myself I still see his number guess as the poorest utility in the event of being wrong. I personally and quite averse to gambling and while I'm probably poor at risk assessment I like to think I can solve basic odds analysis. Of the options 0,1,2 I feel he picked the worst one and that is self evident today. High risk high reward or abysmal payoff.

so I guess PPS forgot that we had mod confirmation that there weren't 2 scum on wagon very quickly. I'm not really sure if that's alignment indicative although it seemed worth pointing out.

After that PPS starts going after Eddie which I think there are good reasons to do whether PPS is town or scum.

So I'm left with a pretty null read on PPS. There wasn't anything really scummy in there, but my townread on them was mostly based on their going after joth and now I'm disinclined to give townpoints for that.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #920 on: May 24, 2021, 11:57:44 am »

Do you ever change your mind, Glooble?

Believe it or not going into this day it was a dead heat between you and PPS, and now I'm pretty convinced its you. So I did change my mind.

Ayyyy, good for you.

I may be an idiot for town reading you. Maybe EFHW/Ash are right and you are scum.

If I flip (probs should wait for MiX/Awaclus to weigh in more, but there ya go.) I would throw Cube/PPS/EFHW/Pasta under the bus in roughly that order. Probs wrong about some of that. And a lot of it is hazy.



If I stay alive we should discuss who I should kill. Ya know... in 3 nights.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« Reply #921 on: May 24, 2021, 12:03:17 pm »

The important bit here:

Who is my partner, people.
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« Reply #922 on: May 24, 2021, 12:07:54 pm »

The important bit here:

Who is my partner, people.

Joth.
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« Reply #923 on: May 24, 2021, 12:08:55 pm »

I feel like every time I play this game people rally together and say “haha he forgot something as scum, get him”

Well, except for when I’m Scum.

(Obligatory post I make every time I’m on trial - NAI)
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« Reply #924 on: May 24, 2021, 12:10:23 pm »

The important bit here:

Who is my partner, people.

Joth.

No, silly, my scum partner. Not my QT partner.
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