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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #650 on: May 18, 2021, 01:38:34 pm »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.

This is essentially asking for a claim, tho, let's drop the pretense. I really prefer to trust our town PRs when they are self evident without forcing obvlaims for scum to work around.

It's actually nothing, because ash couldn't do an action N1.

Solid argument, can't disagree there. Wish someone had brought that up earlier, haha. I was literally assuming Joth to be scum because ash made a statement suggesting he had results. My brain didn't fill in that blank, though. Was the rest of my analysis deeply colored by that assumption? Yes. Is it thus wrong? Not necessarily.

Lol wait really? I think you need to get to know ash better then...

I mean, I only realized EFHW's question wasn't a PR question when I wrote that post, but still.

Huh, interesting unvote there, EFHW.

From BSG season 1:

Also, everyone assuming exactly 3 cylon-aligned, or most likely it's three, or whatever, just stop.

14 players opens up a lot of space.  With third parties and RMM interactions, I'd put the minimum at 4 and maximum at 6.5 non-town players.  How many of those are Cylon-aligned?  Can't know what unless you are cylon-aligned, and maybe not even then.

Using these assumptions only serves to obfuscate.

At least Ash is consistent. In that moment of BSG, no one really made a big deal about this, so it didn't become a main point in the conversation, so I don't think this was something scum!Ash would have thought of to be like, "Hey, I made that comment last game as town, I should go all in on this view to look like my town self."

I mean uuuuuh ash does this "never assume literally anything whatsoever at all ever" position every game.

Also note that assuming 4 non-town was correct. It's almost like things have to be balanced if they're good.

I get that.

If we are looking at ash actions from that game though, let's also remember how sold he was on his plan to exile himself and how pr town that would be, only to later find out a) it would not really have been, b) he thought he was recruitable scum.

Imagine playing with someone that can convince themselves they are of a different alignment.

Let's not talk about BSG!ash I have a lot of mean words about that guy.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #651 on: May 18, 2021, 01:39:49 pm »

Ash is the master of "let's consider literally every single possibility remotely possible". Except who's scum, I guess.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #652 on: May 18, 2021, 01:52:19 pm »

Yeah, again, no comment on whether I think he's right or not this game. But if anything, I think it's fair to say that this is consistent with town!Ash. However, if you want to draw the conclusion that follows from your (MiX and scola) observations, one would guess that Joth is also town. So who would you think scum would be in that case?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #653 on: May 18, 2021, 01:55:11 pm »

Yeah, again, no comment on whether I think he's right or not this game. But if anything, I think it's fair to say that this is consistent with town!Ash. However, if you want to draw the conclusion that follows from your (MiX and scola) observations, one would guess that Joth is also town. So who would you think scum would be in that case?

Look at my vote for my answer. (or my other post where i said WCD or EFHW)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #654 on: May 18, 2021, 02:00:17 pm »

Phone posting late at night.

I think jothís reaction to my pressure was inconsistent with what I expect from town!joth.  I do disagree with his argument, I do think heís backtracked on that stance after pressure was brought to bear, and I think that movement is more likely from someone who started arguing an ďopinionĒ that may have in fact been based on knowledge he could only have as non-town.  Maybe it is 2 per timeline and he knows that.  Maybe it isnít but he really wants us to think that.

So, it is a read.  More than I have on anyone else.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #655 on: May 18, 2021, 02:01:21 pm »

You can force a claim from me, I guess, but Iím worried the timing could go badly.  Iím probably not awake at deadline.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #656 on: May 18, 2021, 02:02:50 pm »

I think there is also something to joth sitting at E-1 for many days, although the smaller player pool could affect that.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #657 on: May 18, 2021, 02:05:38 pm »

I think Glooble is more likely to be wrong than a partner at this point.  Unless itís a 2-person team, with a weird wincon or something.  Or a partner who went in to defend early not thinking itís take so much to succeed and then worried that bailing would look worse.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #658 on: May 18, 2021, 02:06:38 pm »

Deadline is in 3 hours
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #659 on: May 18, 2021, 02:16:55 pm »

Alright, I'm going to try to get Vote: Galz going.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #660 on: May 18, 2021, 02:25:25 pm »

Okay, I will trust Glooble for a minute or two.

vote: Galz
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #661 on: May 18, 2021, 02:29:36 pm »

I think voting for someone on D1 that is not around feels wrong.

Add to that that Galz did the lurk as scum in dwarf mafia. Would he do it again the very next game?

Not sure how to read the two votes on him.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #662 on: May 18, 2021, 02:29:53 pm »

Like others have already mentioned, Joth hanging out at E-1 for so long could suggest he's scum. It could also suggest that at least part of the scum team has been extremely inactive and not pushing on an easy misexile. I think there are more informative exile options than Galz, but I wouldn't hate that exile if that's what we do. The problem is that based on this, Galz would have an above average chance of being scum from town!Joth's perspective (I think), but Galz is also one of the easiest alt wagons for scum!Joth to push out of self-preservation right now.

Joth, if not Ash or Galz, who would you want to see exiled instead?

I'll be back a couple times before the deadline, and I'm willing to move to a couple different people to get an exile through.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #663 on: May 18, 2021, 02:31:11 pm »

I was about to ask a similar question to ash:

ash, if not joth, would you consider anyone else? or are you staying on josh no matter what?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #664 on: May 18, 2021, 02:48:55 pm »

We learn a lot more about this waste of a day if Joth dies.

Iím also not upset about Joth not RBing people tonight.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #665 on: May 18, 2021, 02:49:49 pm »

Like, we learn a lot about Glooble, Scolpasta, Ash, and even a bit about some other people with a Joth flip.

Maybe thatís silly talk, but still.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #666 on: May 18, 2021, 02:53:30 pm »


Joth, if not Ash or Galz, who would you want to see exiled instead?


Of the 8 options available, who would you like besides yourself and the two options you've voted for?

You are sure expecting me to have a lot of scum reads.

Anyway the answer is Didds.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #667 on: May 18, 2021, 03:14:40 pm »

vote: joth. Going to see this through.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #668 on: May 18, 2021, 03:15:51 pm »

was that the hammer?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #669 on: May 18, 2021, 03:16:02 pm »

Should be E-2, I believe. Was E-1 before and Didds has moved off now.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #670 on: May 18, 2021, 03:16:32 pm »

I think voting for someone on D1 that is not around feels wrong.

Add to that that Galz did the lurk as scum in dwarf mafia. Would he do it again the very next game?

Not sure how to read the two votes on him.

He has no incentive not to.  He won as scum because he made himself scarce. If you are willing to give him a pass for not being around, why would he bother?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #671 on: May 18, 2021, 03:17:31 pm »

I will move back to Joth if that is what it takes to get an exile.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #672 on: May 18, 2021, 03:20:21 pm »

Deadline is in an 90ish minutes

Joth (2): Ash, EFHW
WCD (2): Dylan, Scola
Galz (2): Joth, WCD

Not voting: Galz

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #673 on: May 18, 2021, 03:29:43 pm »

If I move to Joth, and Joth moves to me, it is 3-3.

Ash isn't going to be around, Galz is probably not going to be around.  Scola, Dylan....are either of you willing to vote for Joth? EFHW, are you willing to vote for me?

If we can't get an exile off, that seems to be the least helpful option. 

Am I reading as scummier than Joth? I am not sure that we should have any more claiming since scum benefits way more from that than we do, but I can tell you all that it is better for town if I am not exiled.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #674 on: May 18, 2021, 03:32:07 pm »


Joth, if not Ash or Galz, who would you want to see exiled instead?


Of the 8 options available, who would you like besides yourself and the two options you've voted for?

You are sure expecting me to have a lot of scum reads.

Anyway the answer is Didds.

Nah, I wouldn't necessarily expect every name you listed to be a scumread since you're in a position of self-preservation. I just wanted to get names from you.

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