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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #625 on: May 18, 2021, 09:55:54 am »

Can no one else see him scrambling?

Announcing E-1 is standard practice here, it has been since I started playing here.

I don't buy for one second that ash places a vote without thinking about the size of the wagon, as either alignment.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #626 on: May 18, 2021, 10:24:32 am »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #627 on: May 18, 2021, 10:28:13 am »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.

I like this question.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #628 on: May 18, 2021, 10:29:18 am »

unvote while waiting for his answer.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #629 on: May 18, 2021, 10:59:37 am »

So let's see if I understand what's happening...ash and joth are in a 1v1 caused by ash, ash wants joth dead, joth doesn't want to die and is pushing ash as self-pres, EFHW was voting joth, Glooble is chainsaw defending joth by pushing both ash and EFHW, Dylan wants to hammer, scola...something to do with Didds, Uncle is mediating...hmm, pps is scumreading joth? Is that everyone relevant?

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #630 on: May 18, 2021, 11:01:36 am »

So let's see if I understand what's happening...ash and joth are in a 1v1 caused by ash, ash wants joth dead, joth doesn't want to die and is pushing ash as self-pres, EFHW was voting joth, Glooble is chainsaw defending joth by pushing both ash and EFHW, Dylan wants to hammer, scola...something to do with Didds, Uncle is mediating...hmm, pps is scumreading joth? Is that everyone relevant?

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Yes. Deadline is later today at 4:55
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #631 on: May 18, 2021, 11:04:20 am »

So let's see if I understand what's happening...ash and joth are in a 1v1 caused by ash, ash wants joth dead, joth doesn't want to die and is pushing ash as self-pres, EFHW was voting joth, Glooble is chainsaw defending joth by pushing both ash and EFHW, Dylan wants to hammer, scola...something to do with Didds, Uncle is mediating...hmm, pps is scumreading joth? Is that everyone relevant?

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Yes. Deadline is later today at 4:55

In 6 hours? Damn.

Yeah joth should be flipped, a lot of the day has been around him, and not in a townie way.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #632 on: May 18, 2021, 11:11:55 am »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.

This is essentially asking for a claim, tho, let's drop the pretense. I really prefer to trust our town PRs when they are self evident without forcing obvlaims for scum to work around.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #633 on: May 18, 2021, 11:14:08 am »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.

This is essentially asking for a claim, tho, let's drop the pretense. I really prefer to trust our town PRs when they are self evident without forcing obvlaims for scum to work around.

It's actually nothing, because ash couldn't do an action N1.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #634 on: May 18, 2021, 11:40:25 am »

OK, I'm switching my vote to see if this goes anywhere:

Vote: WCD

Scola, this is a bad idea. I know we have been at odds in the last few games, but this isn’t one of them. At the very least, odds would have us on the together this game so trust that even if you don’t trust me.

Odds don't really work that way, assuming you mean because we have been on opposite sides the last few games.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #635 on: May 18, 2021, 11:43:40 am »

So all these joth voters - are you committed to vote ash D4 as was the suggested 1v1?

If not, then whatever. If you're going to vote on the manufactured 1v1 you should vote for the one who manufactured it.

I still don't get why ash did that (either as town or scum*), have asked, and gotten no suitable answer.

* unless it's the get joth exiled and swing away from getting voted D4, hence my opening question

I'm currently more inclined to think WCD and EFHW are scum, to be honest.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #636 on: May 18, 2021, 11:45:20 am »

So all these joth voters - are you committed to vote ash D4 as was the suggested 1v1?

If not, then whatever. If you're going to vote on the manufactured 1v1 you should vote for the one who manufactured it.

I still don't get why ash did that (either as town or scum*), have asked, and gotten no suitable answer.

* unless it's the get joth exiled and swing away from getting voted D4, hence my opening question

I'm currently more inclined to think WCD and EFHW are scum, to be honest.

And for those wondering why, no great reason, which is why I'm not making a case against either of them. Just my gut, which is enough for me for a psuedo D1.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #637 on: May 18, 2021, 12:06:30 pm »

So all these joth voters - are you committed to vote ash D4 as was the suggested 1v1?

If not, then whatever. If you're going to vote on the manufactured 1v1 you should vote for the one who manufactured it.

I still don't get why ash did that (either as town or scum*), have asked, and gotten no suitable answer.

* unless it's the get joth exiled and swing away from getting voted D4, hence my opening question

I'm currently more inclined to think WCD and EFHW are scum, to be honest.

WCD? Nah...

EFHW? Maybe?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #638 on: May 18, 2021, 12:15:40 pm »

Prod request: Galz
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #639 on: May 18, 2021, 12:50:27 pm »

So all these joth voters - are you committed to vote ash D4 as was the suggested 1v1?

If not, then whatever. If you're going to vote on the manufactured 1v1 you should vote for the one who manufactured it.

I still don't get why ash did that (either as town or scum*), have asked, and gotten no suitable answer.

* unless it's the get joth exiled and swing away from getting voted D4, hence my opening question

I'm currently more inclined to think WCD and EFHW are scum, to be honest.

When you say " all these Joth voters", you mean me and Ash, and for awhile EFHW.  There isn't a bevy of people you're talking about.  I voted for Joth in my testing the FT people, but I kept my vote on him because of the way that he responded to Ash, and especially because of Glooble's super-vigorous defense which I think is VERY STRANGE and not at all townie unless Glooble know something he isn't telling us.  I am not at all interested in the 1v1 other than the reaction that it has provoked.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #640 on: May 18, 2021, 12:52:48 pm »

OK, I'm switching my vote to see if this goes anywhere:

Vote: WCD

Scola, this is a bad idea. I know we have been at odds in the last few games, but this isn’t one of them. At the very least, odds would have us on the together this game so trust that even if you don’t trust me.

Odds don't really work that way, assuming you mean because we have been on opposite sides the last few games.

There are more town than scum. It seems like there is a better chance that we are both town than not. But numbers are not my jam. I was really just saying we have lots of reasons to distrust one another since we have each been engaged in active deception for the last 6 weeks, but its not helpful in this game for us to start from that place.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #641 on: May 18, 2021, 12:55:15 pm »

Same as Didds here. The 1:1 is not why I voted joth. I was scumreading him before then. I unvoted to incentivize ash to actually spell out a reason that makes sense, which would help me to townread ash and continue on my way.

Glooble's defense has become so out there that his being partners with joth is seeming less likely.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #642 on: May 18, 2021, 12:56:04 pm »

Well, those 3 and whoever (Dylan?) turns out to be the hammer. My point is if we exile joth and he's town, and then don't follow through with Ash, then scum!ash gets exactly what he wants.

Part of why I decided not to be part of the 1v1 anymore (but if I switch back, will vote for the one who manufactured it)

What is so strange about Gloobie's defense of joth? And why not mine as well. I think both of us have basically said the defense is not based on knowing joth is town, but on the fact that the attacks on him are completely made up BS.

It's like if I said, I'm voting for WCD because on D1 she flat out said "I am scum". So everyone should vote for her, because she said that and this game is so easy. (and yes this is an exaggeration, but not by much)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #643 on: May 18, 2021, 01:16:13 pm »

@ash, what's your real reason for tunneling joth? The "he said there are absolutely 2 scum per timeline" argument hasn't made sense to anyone.

This is essentially asking for a claim, tho, let's drop the pretense. I really prefer to trust our town PRs when they are self evident without forcing obvlaims for scum to work around.

It's actually nothing, because ash couldn't do an action N1.

Solid argument, can't disagree there. Wish someone had brought that up earlier, haha. I was literally assuming Joth to be scum because ash made a statement suggesting he had results. My brain didn't fill in that blank, though. Was the rest of my analysis deeply colored by that assumption? Yes. Is it thus wrong? Not necessarily.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #644 on: May 18, 2021, 01:27:54 pm »

Huh, interesting unvote there, EFHW.

From BSG season 1:

Also, everyone assuming exactly 3 cylon-aligned, or most likely it's three, or whatever, just stop.

14 players opens up a lot of space.  With third parties and RMM interactions, I'd put the minimum at 4 and maximum at 6.5 non-town players.  How many of those are Cylon-aligned?  Can't know what unless you are cylon-aligned, and maybe not even then.

Using these assumptions only serves to obfuscate.

At least Ash is consistent. In that moment of BSG, no one really made a big deal about this, so it didn't become a main point in the conversation, so I don't think this was something scum!Ash would have thought of to be like, "Hey, I made that comment last game as town, I should go all in on this view to look like my town self."
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #645 on: May 18, 2021, 01:28:45 pm »


What is so strange about Gloobie's defense of joth? And why not mine as well. I think both of us have basically said the defense is not based on knowing joth is town, but on the fact that the attacks on him are completely made up BS.

For me, it's his degree of certainty.  Most of the RT people are about as active as the FT line people were yesterday, with the exception of Glooble who is ALL IN on team Joth. I think it reads much like more like he has a result than he is a partner.  Which maybe is a reason to move my vote, but I wish that Joth was making arguments with the same vigor of Glooble.

I like Ash's idea of a Western-style shoot out in terms of its metaphor, but I don't see that it makes him or Joth necessarily scum. If I am going to switch my vote today...I am willing to vote for Galz, since we wouldn't be losing much if he's he's town and there is at least some chance he is scum.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #646 on: May 18, 2021, 01:32:09 pm »

Huh, interesting unvote there, EFHW.

From BSG season 1:

Also, everyone assuming exactly 3 cylon-aligned, or most likely it's three, or whatever, just stop.

14 players opens up a lot of space.  With third parties and RMM interactions, I'd put the minimum at 4 and maximum at 6.5 non-town players.  How many of those are Cylon-aligned?  Can't know what unless you are cylon-aligned, and maybe not even then.

Using these assumptions only serves to obfuscate.

At least Ash is consistent. In that moment of BSG, no one really made a big deal about this, so it didn't become a main point in the conversation, so I don't think this was something scum!Ash would have thought of to be like, "Hey, I made that comment last game as town, I should go all in on this view to look like my town self."

In that example, it was not only reasonable to assume 3 (as a starting point, which is all we are saying here), it also proved to be correct.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #647 on: May 18, 2021, 01:34:51 pm »


What is so strange about Gloobie's defense of joth? And why not mine as well. I think both of us have basically said the defense is not based on knowing joth is town, but on the fact that the attacks on him are completely made up BS.

For me, it's his degree of certainty.  Most of the RT people are about as active as the FT line people were yesterday, with the exception of Glooble who is ALL IN on team Joth. I think it reads much like more like he has a result than he is a partner.  Which maybe is a reason to move my vote, but I wish that Joth was making arguments with the same vigor of Glooble.

I like Ash's idea of a Western-style shoot out in terms of its metaphor, but I don't see that it makes him or Joth necessarily scum. If I am going to switch my vote today...I am willing to vote for Galz, since we wouldn't be losing much if he's he's town and there is at least some chance he is scum.

This might just be a twin thing? I'm going to feel very dumb if joth flips scum, but I don't have a "joth is town" result. It's just a really strong gut feeling about a player I know pretty well. It could absolutely be wrong.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #648 on: May 18, 2021, 01:36:01 pm »

Right, so my comment isn't about the accuracy of the comment, but merely that town!Ash made a similar assertion last game as to what he did here.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #649 on: May 18, 2021, 01:37:48 pm »

I get that.

If we are looking at ash actions from that game though, let's also remember how sold he was on his plan to exile himself and how pr town that would be, only to later find out a) it would not really have been, b) he thought he was recruitable scum.

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