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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #475 on: May 13, 2021, 06:12:44 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

I can't vote, and it doesn't seem like there's anything else I could do that would benefit town at the moment. I guess I could try to play some kind of WIFOM against scum in some way but they have more information than I do, and I have no reason to feel confident I'm that much better at the game than they are. So, as far as I can tell, for the time being it's for the best if I just keep my thoughts to myself.

What's your opinion on ash's plan? Who do you think is scummier between joth and ash? How many scum do you think there are in each timeline?

Is there more to ash's plan than just exiling either him or joth today? I've read the game but it's a bit hard to follow under the side effects of 40 mg of cetirizine, so if someone could summarize it in as few words as possible, that would be nice.

That's how I read the plan; with the addition that if wrong, exile the other tomorrow. Seems like a 1v1 you'd get with two claimed Cops in a gme with only 1. Except it's not really built on any such reasoning. Just reads. (unless I missed something)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #476 on: May 13, 2021, 06:27:36 pm »

EFHW, what are your thoughts on Ash’s Wild West shootout?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #477 on: May 13, 2021, 06:36:46 pm »

That's how I read the plan; with the addition that if wrong, exile the other tomorrow. Seems like a 1v1 you'd get with two claimed Cops in a gme with only 1. Except it's not really built on any such reasoning. Just reads. (unless I missed something)

Okay, then it's an awful plan.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #478 on: May 13, 2021, 07:24:45 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

I can't vote, and it doesn't seem like there's anything else I could do that would benefit town at the moment. I guess I could try to play some kind of WIFOM against scum in some way but they have more information than I do, and I have no reason to feel confident I'm that much better at the game than they are. So, as far as I can tell, for the time being it's for the best if I just keep my thoughts to myself.

What's your opinion on ash's plan? Who do you think is scummier between joth and ash? How many scum do you think there are in each timeline?

Is there more to ash's plan than just exiling either him or joth today? I've read the game but it's a bit hard to follow under the side effects of 40 mg of cetirizine, so if someone could summarize it in as few words as possible, that would be nice.

That's how I read the plan; with the addition that if wrong, exile the other tomorrow. Seems like a 1v1 you'd get with two claimed Cops in a gme with only 1. Except it's not really built on any such reasoning. Just reads. (unless I missed something)

Except it’s not tomorrow. It’s the day after tomorrow. An eternity in mafia time after which everyone will have forgotten the plan.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #479 on: May 13, 2021, 09:02:29 pm »

Ash used some specific terminology that suggests he may have some info on Joth. Maybe he got it from a QT partner? At any rate, he promised some showdown action so I am awaiting his return fire. He definitely acted as if the other play was a diversion so surely he wouldn't be diverting things himself?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #480 on: May 13, 2021, 10:06:30 pm »

You guys can imagine me voting for Joth right now, if it helps.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #481 on: May 13, 2021, 10:07:31 pm »

Vote Count 2.3:

Ashersky (2): Joth, scolapasta
Joth (1): WCD

Not Voting (11): EFHW, Ashersky, Dylan, Galzria, MiX, Eddie, chairs, hypercube, Glooble, PPS, Awaclus


With 7 alive on the ACTIVE TIMELINE, it takes 4 to Exile.
Day 2 starts now and ends Tuesday, May 18th at 4:55pm Forum Time.

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« Last Edit: May 14, 2021, 12:11:46 am by Swowl »
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #482 on: May 13, 2021, 11:18:37 pm »

Vote Count 2.3:

Ashersky (2): Joth, scolapasta
scolapasta(1): WCD

Not Voting (11): EFHW, Ashersky, Dylan, Galzria, MiX, Eddie, chairs, hypercube, Glooble, PPS, Awaclus


With 7 alive on the ACTIVE TIMELINE, it takes 4 to Exile.
Day 2 starts now and ends Tuesday, May 18th at 4:55pm Forum Time.

Today the active timeline is the FORWARD TIMELINE We will remain in the FORWARD TIMELINE until the start of Day 3.
Only players from the currently active timeline may vote, or be voted for.


Again, can you double check:


Why me? we already saw I can vote this timeline:

Vote Count 2.1:

Galzria (1): scolapasta
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My bad. Vote: Joth
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #483 on: May 13, 2021, 11:38:52 pm »

EFHW, what are your thoughts on Ash’s Wild West shootout?
I think joth is scummy, but the shoot out idea just seems like drama. I don't believe ash answered my question, which is kind of scummy. But I need to double check that.

ashersky being insulted by the 2 non town on each timeline theory is perplexing. I thought Glooble's logic on the subject made sense.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #484 on: May 13, 2021, 11:41:58 pm »

I had the same thought as pps that they might both be scum. Them fighting is a replay of the last game. Maybe they're trying to use that somehow.

OR

@ash and joth, are either of you carrying a grudge from the last gane?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #485 on: May 13, 2021, 11:43:41 pm »

vote: joth
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #486 on: May 14, 2021, 12:10:52 am »

Vote Count 2.3:

Ashersky (2): Joth, scolapasta
Joth(1): WCD

Not Voting (11): EFHW, Ashersky, Dylan, Galzria, MiX, Eddie, chairs, hypercube, Glooble, PPS, Awaclus


With 7 alive on the ACTIVE TIMELINE, it takes 4 to Exile.
Day 2 starts now and ends Tuesday, May 18th at 4:55pm Forum Time.

Today the active timeline is the FORWARD TIMELINE We will remain in the FORWARD TIMELINE until the start of Day 3.
Only players from the currently active timeline may vote, or be voted for.

VC 2.3 corrected. Don't do VCs at work kids...
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #487 on: May 14, 2021, 01:10:55 am »

I had the same thought as pps that they might both be scum. Them fighting is a replay of the last game. Maybe they're trying to use that somehow.

OR

@ash and joth, are either of you carrying a grudge from the last gane?

What was your question?

I don't remember what I would carry a grudge for.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #488 on: May 14, 2021, 01:13:25 am »

What was joth's lie?

How are  you so sure joth is not town?

This one?  I hadn't responded to any posts since you asked this, so it isn't bad that I didn't respond yet.

I'm so sure that I am town.  He threw shade my way first, so I'm responding.  I do think that pressing on with the "exactly two non-town per timeline is the only possible setup that we should consider here and all other thoughts are anti-town" line of thinking is absolutely what mafia does in this situation, and that's what it appears to me that joth (and Glooble) are doing.  MiX is halfheartedly playing that game, which seems less anti-town than normal for him, so I don't know what that means.

So, joth's posts on this matter have be convinced he is non-town.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #489 on: May 14, 2021, 01:14:50 am »

I'll put it down officially: that was definitely a terrible use of mathdude's power and it was a complete waste of time.

We know that exactly 0, 1, 3, or 4 of the following set of players is non-town: Glooble, Awaclus, MiX, hypercube, mathdude

We got a mathdude, flip, so now we know that exactly 0, 1, 3, or 4 of the following set of players is non-town: Glooble, Awaclus, MiX, hypercube

I mean...how is that useful in any meaningful way?

The argument for 0 was that we at least removed the single option that was different, in that it assured us of something, a guarantee that mafia was in the set.  We don't even have that.

I guess the argument was betting on 2 was the best chance at a big payout?  Like various odds at the craps table?  Man, that didn't work out.

You can really read this as scum actually being worried about the info we gained from math's power and rushing in first thing in the day to throw smoke up and discredit it.

That's what I was trying to say. Thank you for saying it in a clearer way.

Here's where I specifically see joth and Glooble tied together.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #490 on: May 14, 2021, 01:17:23 am »

Honestly, ash's comment really rubs me the wrong way. In addition to being wrong, it's combative and AtE.

vote: ash

Here's a post in which joth states unequivocally that the 2 non-town per timeline hypothesis is perfect and unquestionable.

Wrong is a binary adjective here (am I using the right descriptor?).  There's only wrong and right, no other options, is what I mean.  As he declares I am wrong, he is declaring also that what I am wrong about is right.  Not probable, not likely, not more reasonable.  Right.  Correct.  Exact.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #491 on: May 14, 2021, 01:19:46 am »

Absolutely no one is saying this is an absolute truth. That's a flimsy strawman and you know it. We're saying this is a reasonable assumption to work off of in the absence of more or better information.

Straight up lie.  I just quoted you saying it is an absolute truth.

Exile All Liars.  I mean, that's never been a thing that anyone follows, but still.

You are NOT saying it is a reasonable assumption to work off of.  You 100% said I was wrong, which can only be predicated on the 2 non-town theory being right.

Or do you plan on walking back your previous statement all of a sudden when you've been caught in a lie of epic proportions?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #492 on: May 14, 2021, 01:24:32 am »

To ensure you can't try to escape this argument, breaking down your language further, you use "in addition to being wrong..."  That phrasing is clearly meant to show that my "wrongness" is self-evident and obvious, without need for further discussion.  Everyone can see he's wrong, but there's also these other things...is what you were writing.

That does not track at all with an argument that what I am arguing against "is a reasonable assumption to work off of in the absence of more or better information."

So, within a very short space of time, you contradicted yourself.  You made one assertion, I called you out on it and drew attention to you, and you immediately tried to back track and paint yourself in a better light.

Note, I am only using your own posts to make this point.  These are your words, not mine.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #493 on: May 14, 2021, 09:14:16 am »

Honestly, ash's comment really rubs me the wrong way. In addition to being wrong, it's combative and AtE.

vote: ash

Here's a post in which joth states unequivocally that the 2 non-town per timeline hypothesis is perfect and unquestionable.

Wrong is a binary adjective here (am I using the right descriptor?).  There's only wrong and right, no other options, is what I mean.  As he declares I am wrong, he is declaring also that what I am wrong about is right.  Not probable, not likely, not more reasonable.  Right.  Correct.  Exact.

woweee what a stretch. Ok. I didn't know this was going to become a debate about what words mean.

You can ACTUALLY use wrong to refer to opinions, i.e.

ash: McDonalds is way better than Burger King
joth: You are so wrong

In that situation no one would ever assume I was making a hard factual assertion about the relative merits of fast food. They would assume I was emphatically stating my differing opinion. Which is the sense in which I was using it.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #494 on: May 14, 2021, 09:17:54 am »

To ensure you can't try to escape this argument, breaking down your language further, you use "in addition to being wrong..."  That phrasing is clearly meant to show that my "wrongness" is self-evident and obvious, without need for further discussion.  Everyone can see he's wrong, but there's also these other things...is what you were writing.

That does not track at all with an argument that what I am arguing against "is a reasonable assumption to work off of in the absence of more or better information."

So, within a very short space of time, you contradicted yourself.  You made one assertion, I called you out on it and drew attention to you, and you immediately tried to back track and paint yourself in a better light.

Note, I am only using your own posts to make this point.  These are your words, not mine.

this post basically fall apart once your claim that "wrong = factual assertion" is dismissed. But man, oh man, to read my posts the way you want to read them you kind of have to make up your own whole version of English.

Let me just add that you misunderstanding me and me clarifying is actually not the same as me backtracking.

What's really irking me here is that it is SO OBVIOUS that you are not arguing with me in good faith. You're just trying to gotcha me. It's pathetic and transparent, and it honestly boggles my mind that people are buying it.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #495 on: May 14, 2021, 09:18:36 am »

Quote
"exactly two non-town per timeline is the only possible setup that we should consider here and all other thoughts are anti-town"

Another thing that NO ONE BUT YOU HAS SAID.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #496 on: May 14, 2021, 09:19:24 am »

@ash and joth, are either of you carrying a grudge from the last gane?

There's no need. I have a fresh nw grudge to carry from this game.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #497 on: May 14, 2021, 09:21:59 am »

@ash and joth, are either of you carrying a grudge from the last gane?

There's no need. I have a fresh nw grudge to carry from this game.

Who do you think is scum?
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« Reply #498 on: May 14, 2021, 09:43:59 am »

@ash and joth, are either of you carrying a grudge from the last gane?

There's no need. I have a fresh nw grudge to carry from this game.

Who do you think is scum?

I do think ash is scum simply because this seems so much to me like a bad faith argument, and those come from scum.

I was scumreading Glooble yesterday but now less so.

I need to do a proper reread and do some real scumhunting instead of letting ash distract me with his BS. Perhaps I'll have time today.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #499 on: May 14, 2021, 10:31:44 am »

Vote: ash

Bold for emphasis even though I'm a tree stump during this timeline
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