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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #450 on: May 13, 2021, 12:05:44 am »

It definitely helps prove the point.

We know that one of us is telling the truth and one of us is lying.  We sort that out, and a number of things fall into place.

I mean, I know already, but others may need to be convinced.  So once we show that it was joth lying via exile, we also implicate Glooble, and can up the suspicion on others who supported the mathdude gambit.  I'd put MiX in that pile.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #451 on: May 13, 2021, 12:07:53 am »

I'd put some parameters on this, though.

All players agree to only vote for one of the two (joth or me).
All players can and should participate in making and refuting cases on both.
No hammers until whichever player gets to E-1 first has a chance to claim/not claim/etc.

If we choose wrong, we should just agree to exile the other on D4.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #452 on: May 13, 2021, 12:10:58 am »

Again, I think we need unanimous consent on this one from active timeline players.

I confirm.

(In addition to exiling non-town joth, I think this helps move the game forward during this awkward repeat of a D1.)
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #453 on: May 13, 2021, 12:13:10 am »

It definitely helps prove the point.

We know that one of us is telling the truth and one of us is lying.  We sort that out, and a number of things fall into place.

I mean, I know already, but others may need to be convinced.  So once we show that it was joth lying via exile, we also implicate Glooble, and can up the suspicion on others who supported the mathdude gambit.  I'd put MiX in that pile.

Why does this implicate gloobie?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #454 on: May 13, 2021, 12:45:47 am »

Joth v Ashersky needs to be a go

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #455 on: May 13, 2021, 12:51:25 am »

What the heck?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #456 on: May 13, 2021, 07:27:34 am »

What was joth's lie?

How are  you so sure joth is not town?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #457 on: May 13, 2021, 07:49:27 am »

It definitely helps prove the point.

We know that one of us is telling the truth and one of us is lying.  We sort that out, and a number of things fall into place.

I mean, I know already, but others may need to be convinced.  So once we show that it was joth lying via exile, we also implicate Glooble, and can up the suspicion on others who supported the mathdude gambit.  I'd put MiX in that pile.

Who's lying?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #458 on: May 13, 2021, 08:27:49 am »

This right here is the ash I paid to see. I am still a little hesitant on the we must take out B if A doesn't flip scum. There's a few reasons for that but I will say that I think ash has got a plan, here.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #459 on: May 13, 2021, 08:41:28 am »

I seem to recall ash trying this exact play on me in our first game together, in Imperial Radch mafia. We were both town. I am pretty sure we lost that game.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #460 on: May 13, 2021, 09:39:17 am »

joth and Glooble are the ones that seem scared, flailing, and doing their very best to convince town of a "fact" that is definitely just a random, terrible opinion.

No, you're the dum-dum head!

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There is ZERO proof or certainty that there are exactly two non-town players in one or both timelines. None. Only the non-town teams themselves could possibly know that, and even then, they can't know if there are other non-town players.

So continuing to parade around this lie as truth is anti-town at best and malicious at worst.

Absolutely no one is saying this is an absolute truth. That's a flimsy strawman and you know it. We're saying this is a reasonable assumption to work off of in the absence of more or better information.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #461 on: May 13, 2021, 09:46:02 am »

ash keeps using these terms "truth and lie" and it's really manipulative. Show me where I claimed to have any knowledge, ash. All I did was agree with, and offer some support for, a reasonable default hypothesis that many others have put forward. I've taken an incredibly innocuous and non-controversial position and I've taken it in a fairly level-headed, open-minded way.

You, on the other hand, have gone to the mattresses to defend a fairly unlikely assertion, calling anything else "insulting" and "absurd". And now you're trying to make this into something that it isn't to get me exiled.

And no, town absolutely won't actually exile you after I flip. If I thought they would, I might consider embracing your 1v1. But you know you have an entire timeline cycle for people to forget about this and that you'll easily be able to weasel out.

These 1v1s are basically always bad for town. I choose not to take your bait. Though I'm also not moving my vote.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #462 on: May 13, 2021, 10:07:17 am »

I've taken an incredibly innocuous and non-controversial position

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If I thought they would, I might consider embracing your 1v1...These 1v1s are basically always bad for town....I'm also not moving my vote.

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #463 on: May 13, 2021, 01:06:54 pm »

I don't agree with everything ash is saying but they seem super town to me.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #464 on: May 13, 2021, 03:24:50 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #465 on: May 13, 2021, 03:28:05 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

Only 7 are really playing, and if you look at the roster, I'm the most active player, and I'm busy for this day.

The joth vs ash """conflict""" is really bad, but I'm not exactly opposed to a joth flip either.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #466 on: May 13, 2021, 03:28:56 pm »

I seem to recall ash trying this exact play on me in our first game together, in Imperial Radch mafia. We were both town. I am pretty sure we lost that game.

Also, I reread this part, and that's just a coincidence, the 1v1 had little to do with the outcome of that game.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #467 on: May 13, 2021, 03:38:42 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

Only 7 are really playing, and if you look at the roster, I'm the most active player, and I'm busy for this day.

The joth vs ash """conflict""" is really bad, but I'm not exactly opposed to a joth flip either.

I was finding joth a bit scummy on day 1. He seems more like town joth to me now, but I don't feel strongly enough about that to have my alignment tied to his the way ash is proposing. That being said, gun to my head, if you asked me who is acting scummier right now, I'd say ash. But I also think its totally possible they are both just town with different perspectives.

Like, does scum ash get combative like this? I've seen town ash do it. Seems like a big gamble to me, like what's the benefit? If ash is scum here, what's his ideal outcome? That we reject his plan but still give him townpoints for having it? That we exile joth then don't follow through when he flips town?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #468 on: May 13, 2021, 03:59:56 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

Only 7 are really playing, and if you look at the roster, I'm the most active player, and I'm busy for this day.

The joth vs ash """conflict""" is really bad, but I'm not exactly opposed to a joth flip either.

The thought occurs to me that they're both scum. If this blows over it's successful distancing. If it doesn't it's super successful distancing.

I was finding joth a bit scummy on day 1. He seems more like town joth to me now, but I don't feel strongly enough about that to have my alignment tied to his the way ash is proposing. That being said, gun to my head, if you asked me who is acting scummier right now, I'd say ash. But I also think its totally possible they are both just town with different perspectives.

Like, does scum ash get combative like this? I've seen town ash do it. Seems like a big gamble to me, like what's the benefit? If ash is scum here, what's his ideal outcome? That we reject his plan but still give him townpoints for having it? That we exile joth then don't follow through when he flips town?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #469 on: May 13, 2021, 04:00:31 pm »

I was finding joth a bit scummy on day 1. He seems more like town joth to me now, but I don't feel strongly enough about that to have my alignment tied to his the way ash is proposing. That being said, gun to my head, if you asked me who is acting scummier right now, I'd say ash. But I also think its totally possible they are both just town with different perspectives.

Like, does scum ash get combative like this? I've seen town ash do it. Seems like a big gamble to me, like what's the benefit? If ash is scum here, what's his ideal outcome? That we reject his plan but still give him townpoints for having it? That we exile joth then don't follow through when he flips town?

The thought occurs to me that they're both scum. If this blows over it's successful distancing. If it doesn't it's super successful distancing.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #470 on: May 13, 2021, 04:16:04 pm »

I was finding joth a bit scummy on day 1. He seems more like town joth to me now, but I don't feel strongly enough about that to have my alignment tied to his the way ash is proposing. That being said, gun to my head, if you asked me who is acting scummier right now, I'd say ash. But I also think its totally possible they are both just town with different perspectives.

Like, does scum ash get combative like this? I've seen town ash do it. Seems like a big gamble to me, like what's the benefit? If ash is scum here, what's his ideal outcome? That we reject his plan but still give him townpoints for having it? That we exile joth then don't follow through when he flips town?

The thought occurs to me that they're both scum. If this blows over it's successful distancing. If it doesn't it's super successful distancing.

That would certainly be ballsy.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #471 on: May 13, 2021, 04:39:29 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

Only 7 are really playing, and if you look at the roster, I'm the most active player, and I'm busy for this day.

The joth vs ash """conflict""" is really bad, but I'm not exactly opposed to a joth flip either.

This and all the QTs, I imagine.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #472 on: May 13, 2021, 05:36:02 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

I can't vote, and it doesn't seem like there's anything else I could do that would benefit town at the moment. I guess I could try to play some kind of WIFOM against scum in some way but they have more information than I do, and I have no reason to feel confident I'm that much better at the game than they are. So, as far as I can tell, for the time being it's for the best if I just keep my thoughts to myself.
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« Reply #473 on: May 13, 2021, 05:40:00 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

I can't vote, and it doesn't seem like there's anything else I could do that would benefit town at the moment. I guess I could try to play some kind of WIFOM against scum in some way but they have more information than I do, and I have no reason to feel confident I'm that much better at the game than they are. So, as far as I can tell, for the time being it's for the best if I just keep my thoughts to myself.

What's your opinion on ash's plan? Who do you think is scummier between joth and ash? How many scum do you think there are in each timeline?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #474 on: May 13, 2021, 06:01:15 pm »

How do we have this little activity in a game where 14 people are alive?

I can't vote, and it doesn't seem like there's anything else I could do that would benefit town at the moment. I guess I could try to play some kind of WIFOM against scum in some way but they have more information than I do, and I have no reason to feel confident I'm that much better at the game than they are. So, as far as I can tell, for the time being it's for the best if I just keep my thoughts to myself.

What's your opinion on ash's plan? Who do you think is scummier between joth and ash? How many scum do you think there are in each timeline?

Is there more to ash's plan than just exiling either him or joth today? I've read the game but it's a bit hard to follow under the side effects of 40 mg of cetirizine, so if someone could summarize it in as few words as possible, that would be nice.
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