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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1225 on: June 04, 2021, 08:34:21 pm »

That there might only have been 3 scum originally, or they might have split 3-1 one way or the other (although presumably not 3-1 with the 1 on joth's timeline, which would presumably have triggered a turning point of some sort; I think we have to assume that there is still at least one scum on each timeline).
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1226 on: June 04, 2021, 08:40:07 pm »

That there might only have been 3 scum originally, or they might have split 3-1 one way or the other (although presumably not 3-1 with the 1 on joth's timeline, which would presumably have triggered a turning point of some sort; I think we have to assume that there is still at least one scum on each timeline).

And, so, who do you think is scum (other than Joth) in our timeline?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1227 on: June 04, 2021, 09:12:19 pm »

(Joth's position was "there must be a 2-2 scum split" and Ash's was "there's likely a 2-2 scum split, but we don't know".)

OK, so I don't want to send us down the rabbit hole again, so I won't chase this discussion down much, but joth never said there must be - his was always (and now that we know he was scum, probably carefully crafted as) "there's likely a 2-2 scum split, so let's assume that for now". Ash is the one who claimed that joth said it as a definite statement, and that got me (and gloobie) to argue with ash.

For those who think gloobie and I are scum, why would we do that? Even Dylan who's trying to infer things from a previous scum game of mine, should realize that at no point did I ever suggest "crazy claims" that would put so many "partners" at risk.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1228 on: June 04, 2021, 09:27:17 pm »

That there might only have been 3 scum originally, or they might have split 3-1 one way or the other (although presumably not 3-1 with the 1 on joth's timeline, which would presumably have triggered a turning point of some sort; I think we have to assume that there is still at least one scum on each timeline).

And, so, who do you think is scum (other than Joth) in our timeline?
No particular read, although I have slightly less of a human read on Dylan than the others. Not got much confidence in that, though.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1229 on: June 04, 2021, 10:04:54 pm »

Scola, other than meÖ.who do you think might be scum?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1230 on: June 05, 2021, 02:05:25 am »

Vote Count 4.3:

scolapasta (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (9): EFHW, WCD, scolapasta, Jack Rudd, Awaclus, PPS, Glooble, hypercube, MiX


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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1231 on: June 05, 2021, 09:41:52 am »

OofÖ.so, deadline is tomorrow.

EFHW, can you tell me more about why not Jack? Or why Dylan over Jack?

Scola, fill me on what you are thinking beyond voting for me.

Jack, what do you find scummy about Dylan?

Iím going back and forth on Scola. I donít think the tunnel is scummy, and I donít know that scum Scola would put all his eggs into targeting me without having read the Joth exile more carefully. Jack(Galz) is a cipher. I have no idea. But with so few options, that is significant because there is nothing to make him town. Dylan is more interesting. As Iíve said before, I donít think scum had any reason to bus. It would have been too easy to just no exile. And there was no pressure to build that wagon when Dylan did it.

I think right now I am leaning toward voting for Jack, but Iím really looking for some insight from the folks not voting.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1232 on: June 05, 2021, 12:28:39 pm »

Ok, so, I haven't contributed much so far today so I decided to a vca. Turns out there are only 15 votes to analyze. I might go back and look at italicized votes from Days 1 and 3, but this is just regular votes. I might as well type it up here so everyone can have the information. I left out all of scola's test votes.

412 Didds v. Dylan
434 joth v. ash
447 scola v. ash
449 Didds v. joth
486 EFHW v. joth
508 Dylan v. Didds
523 ash v. joth
617 scola v. Didds
660 joth v. Galz/Jack
661 Didds v. Galz/Jack
676 Dylan v. joth  E-1
681 joth v. Didds
700 joth v. scola
701 Didds v. joth  Hammer

1189 Dylan v. scola
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1233 on: June 05, 2021, 12:35:37 pm »

My conclusion:

vote: Jack

My reasoning:

1. joth voted ash early on, repeating a dynamic from the previous game. Then joth votes Galz after he is starting to get into trouble. I think he is asking his partner to show up.

2. When Dylan v. joth at 676, he could easily have defended a vote for Galz instead, so bussing seems unlikely.

3. Didds and I were on joth from early on, so we are obv!town  :)

4. joth's Didds and scola votes at 681 and 700 look like clutching at straws.

5. I believe the masons claim.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1234 on: June 05, 2021, 12:37:25 pm »

An important thought for the Reverse Timeline:

If there is a godfather in that group, like there was in ours, I suspect they would NOT have counted as non-town in the answer to mathdude's question.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1235 on: June 05, 2021, 02:18:48 pm »

An important thought for the Reverse Timeline:

If there is a godfather in that group, like there was in ours, I suspect they would NOT have counted as non-town in the answer to mathdude's question.

That's super annoying.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1236 on: June 05, 2021, 09:35:37 pm »

An important thought for the Reverse Timeline:

If there is a godfather in that group, like there was in ours, I suspect they would NOT have counted as non-town in the answer to mathdude's question.

I doubt there's 2 godfathers...but I wouldn't put past swowl for a third-party to have godfather.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1237 on: June 05, 2021, 09:48:27 pm »

Scola, fill me on what you are thinking beyond voting for me.

I honestly don't know. The problem is my two biggest scum reads on posts were you and Dylan, but you (and others) are right that it doesn't really make sense for you and he to have voted for Exile and X-1 on joth when each of you did. (maybe Dylan @ x-1 if he was hoping no one would hammer or someone would switch). So I've convinced myself that you are probably town now, and Dylan also.

Which leaves EFHW and Jack.  EFHW being an early vote on joth could have been bussing and then gotten stuck there? But still feels like jack is a better exile for the day (which would be slightly unfortunate since he technically just joined).
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1238 on: June 06, 2021, 09:25:06 am »

So, deadline is later today. I should be around, but time is elusive on the weekendÖ

Vote: Jack
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1239 on: June 06, 2021, 09:32:58 am »

Thatís x-1
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1240 on: June 06, 2021, 11:00:08 am »

Thatís x-1

Ok, let's try this:

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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1241 on: June 06, 2021, 02:37:22 pm »

Ave Caesar, morituri te salutamus.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1242 on: June 06, 2021, 03:31:42 pm »

Ave Caesar, morituri te salutamus.

If we're wrong and you're town, now would be the time to tell us any useful info you have.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1243 on: June 06, 2021, 05:23:31 pm »

Vote Count 4.4:

Jack Rudd (3): EFHW, WCD, scolapasta

scolapasta (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (6): Jack Rudd, Awaclus, PPS, Glooble, hypercube, MiX


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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1244 on: June 06, 2021, 06:58:28 pm »

Good gravy!  What is with the long twilights?!?!
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1245 on: June 06, 2021, 10:01:48 pm »

So Jack, are you claiming or what?

Also why is there a twilight now?
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1246 on: June 07, 2021, 02:22:30 pm »

Fun twilight we've got here.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1247 on: June 07, 2021, 03:42:23 pm »

I think the lack of activity is a good sign, though with the replacing in situation its hard to say.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1248 on: June 07, 2021, 04:36:25 pm »

I think the lack of activity is a good sign, though with the replacing in situation its hard to say.

Yeah, I would like to think so, because I really doubt Jack and scola (and thus Glooble) are both (all) scum, so if Jack flips scum I will admit I was probably wrong and choose to believe the mason claim. However, if Jack is town, the only thing that makes sense to me was the fake mason claim out of desperation, and you all might as well be ready for another forward timeline 1v1 next time around lol.
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Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 4!
« Reply #1249 on: June 07, 2021, 04:57:25 pm »

I think the lack of activity is a good sign, though with the replacing in situation its hard to say.

Yeah, I would like to think so, because I really doubt Jack and scola (and thus Glooble) are both (all) scum, so if Jack flips scum I will admit I was probably wrong and choose to believe the mason claim. However, if Jack is town, the only thing that makes sense to me was the fake mason claim out of desperation, and you all might as well be ready for another forward timeline 1v1 next time around lol.

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