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M131: Quarantine Mafia (Game Over)
« on: August 13, 2020, 11:09:01 am »

Masks are required to enter this game.

Welcome to M131: Quarantine Mafia!

This game is for 9 players, and is classified as normal. It uses an open setup called Medical Mafia. See post #2

Comod: WestCoastDidds

Players:

1. MiX
2. cayvie
3. Awaclus
4. scolapasta
5. Swowl Killed N1. Doctor.
6. EFHW
7. Dylan32 Killed N1. Doctor.
8. jotheonah Killed N1. Doctor.
9. Straw

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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information (including QT opening and closing times) is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 36 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.


The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format:
unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may
vote: no exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, limegreen text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last between 36 and 48 hours.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2020, 10:37:18 am by mail-mi »
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2020, 11:09:16 am »

This game will use the setup Medical Mafia, with changes adjusted for quarantine flavor.

Flavor: In this game, Mafia will be known as Carriers. Carrier nightkills will be known as "Infecting", and exiles will be known as "Testing."

Setup:

This is a 9 player setup, with the following roles:
- 2 Carriers
- 1 Doctor
- 1 Weak Doctor
- 1 CPR Doctor
- 1 Paranoid Doctor
- 1 Quack Doctor
- 1 Naive Doctor
- 1 Nurse

Mechanics:

- Daystart
- Every player who is a Doctor is not told which version they are, and will be revealed as "Doctor"
- Doctors who protect only stop a single nightkill
- Weak Doctor dies if it targets a Mafia Goon (and isn't protected themself)
- CPR Doctor saves their target from a nightkill, but if the player isn't actually targeted for a nightkill, the CPR Doctor kills them instead.
- Paranoid Doctor is the functional equivalent of a Jailkeeper
- Quack Doctor kills their target instead of protecting them, the functional equivalent of a Vigilante
- Naive Doctor does nothing at all
- Nurse becomes the role of the first Doctor to die.
- Endgame Ruling: Mafia win when they control 50% of the town, regardless of whichever Doctor(s) are still alive.

Role QTs:

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Welcome to M131, [playername]! You are a Carrier, along with your partner [playername].

Abilities:
Factional Communication: Each Night, you may talk with your partner here: [link]
Infection: Each night, you or your partner may Infect another player. That player will die.

You win when you control 50% of the town. Please /confirm when you have read and understand your role.

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Welcome to M131, [playername]! You are a Town Doctor!

Abilities:
You have an expirimental vaccine that is supposed to protect others from COVID-19. Each night, you may give another player this vaccine. You're not exactly sure what it will do, though...

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least 1 town player alive. Please /confirm when you have read and understand your role.

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Welcome to M131, [playername]! You are a Town Nurse!

Abilities:
Upon the death of the first Doctor, you will gain access to their experimental vaccine.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and there is at least 1 town player alive. Please /confirm when you have read and understand your role.

Note: This game will not start until after Marvel Mafia has ended.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2020, 01:34:39 pm by mail-mi »
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2020, 11:28:28 am »

/in, I've looked at this setup a bunch and it's pretty interesting.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2020, 11:36:47 am »

I believe we played this setup for Mafia 5! It ended hilariously.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2020, 11:42:27 am »

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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2020, 11:45:36 am »

Do kills and protections stack? I.e. if weak doctor targets a goon and is also the target of a nightkill, and they're being targeted by the regular doctor and the CPR doctor, would they live?
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2020, 11:48:36 am »

Do kills and protections stack? I.e. if weak doctor targets a goon and is also the target of a nightkill, and they're being targeted by the regular doctor and the CPR doctor, would they live?

Yes, kills and protections stack.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2020, 12:14:57 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2020, 02:10:43 pm »

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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2020, 02:27:46 pm »

/INfected
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2020, 05:31:01 pm »

I'm /in.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2020, 05:32:40 pm »

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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2020, 06:04:59 pm »

If the paranoid doctor targets the weak doctor who is targeting a goon, does the weak doctor's ability trigger?
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2020, 06:18:34 pm »

If the paranoid doctor targets the weak doctor who is targeting a goon, does the weak doctor's ability trigger?

No, because the weak doctor never targeted the goon since they were roleblocked.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2020, 06:44:00 pm »

Does a regular doctor protect someone from death who is targeted by the quack or cpr doctor (and not also targeted for infection)?
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2020, 07:13:36 pm »

Does a regular doctor protect someone from death who is targeted by the quack or cpr doctor (and not also targeted for infection)?

Yes, doctors who protect from kills protect from all kinds of kills.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2020, 07:27:36 pm »

Itís like a game of try to stump yams!
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2020, 07:51:48 pm »

Itís like a game of try to stump yams!

Ah hah, but since you're comod, they're trying to stump you too!
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2020, 11:23:56 pm »

Itís like a game of try to stump yams!

Ah hah, but since you're comod, they're trying to stump you too!

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2020, 12:09:16 am »

Mafia win con triggers at start of day yeah?
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2020, 12:39:24 am »

Mafia win con triggers at start of day yeah?

It triggers whenever mafia have 50% of town, start or end of day  At least, that's what I think it means when it says "regardless of whatever doctors are alive." (Otherwise, a game of 2 mafia, the CPR doctor, and the Quack doctor going into night could result in a town win).
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2020, 09:09:05 am »

I ran this as my first ever modding gig. With Dominion flavor.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2020, 09:11:51 am »

For those of you interested in ancient history: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=2893.0
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2020, 09:16:20 am »

I had a publicly-posted resolution order for night actions. I would recommend the same...
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2020, 09:50:42 am »

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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2020, 10:05:27 am »

I'm /in

Welcome! Please be sure to sign the civility pledge (found here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) and if you don't want the captcha every time, make a post outside the mafia games forum (here is a good topic for that: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=18043.0)
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2020, 10:58:28 am »

I had a publicly-posted resolution order for night actions. I would recommend the same...

Is it really that complicated, though? It looks complicated, but you just have to resolve Paranoid first, then see which players are being killed/protected, right?
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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2020, 11:06:02 am »

I just know that when I ran it there were a lot a lot a lot of questions for me. Of course, that was the early Wild West days of forum mafia and some of those questions have obvious established answers now (like no, Robz, you can't link out to a Google Sheet :P)
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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2020, 12:30:10 pm »

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2020, 02:55:13 pm »

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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2020, 12:07:24 am »

As noted in Post #2, this game will not start until Marvel is over.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2020, 11:46:03 pm »

I'm /out, sorry
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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2020, 02:28:39 am »

i'll /in then
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2020, 06:39:59 pm »

Is it really appropriate to me making a COVID-19 themed game whilst we're still in the pandemic and over 700,000 people have died from it? To me this seems just as insensitive as using the word lynch in these games
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2020, 11:28:10 pm »

Are you against the lynch thing?
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2020, 04:54:28 am »

Are you against the lynch thing?
Yes I am because it's insensitive (see my posts on that thread). But I don't see how this isn't insensitive too
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2020, 07:18:25 am »

Is it really appropriate to me making a COVID-19 themed game whilst we're still in the pandemic and over 700,000 people have died from it? To me this seems just as insensitive as using the word lynch in these games

Does anyone who actually signed up for the game think this?
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2020, 09:25:34 am »

Is it really appropriate to me making a COVID-19 themed game whilst we're still in the pandemic and over 700,000 people have died from it? To me this seems just as insensitive as using the word lynch in these games

Does anyone who actually signed up for the game think this?

This is a hard one. The problem with lynch was that it excluded people and represented terrorist actions against a whole group of people based solely on skin color. This seems different, but there is still a lot of emotional pain involved. If anyone feels like their experiences are being trivialized, then I agree it is a problem. I think of mafia as a way to deal with dark things, but maybe I am insulated enough from the virus so far that I don't understand how others might be feeling.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2020, 11:44:27 am »

Is it really appropriate to me making a COVID-19 themed game whilst we're still in the pandemic and over 700,000 people have died from it? To me this seems just as insensitive as using the word lynch in these games

Here's how I look at it: In the midst of hardship, one of the best things I think we can do is find the humor within it. It is no joke that over 700,000 people have died, but it is funny how everyone freaked out and emptied the stores of toilet paper. So I think having a mafia game themed after it is just harmless fun. After all, mafia itself is themed after real-life mafias that have murdered plenty of people and committed many crimes, and yet we still play with the theme of mafia for fun.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2020, 01:02:09 pm »

i feel like this is a current event, whose legacy hasn't been yet settled

what's okay and what's too insensitive, we don't know yet; this stuff gets decided by trial and error. and now is the best time to explore it. so yea i think we should go forward with this, but keep an eye out to see if any problems arise. and be willing to listen if they do.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2020, 01:09:00 pm »

I think it could easily be called quarantine mafia of the specific reference is offensive to the players or the community.

I donít think either yams or I intend to make jokes at anyoneís expense or make light of suffering that would render the game offensive.

But for sure scum has a toilet paper hoarder.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2020, 10:33:45 am »

With marvel mafia over, there are currently no games running on this site. That is just wrong.

This game will start later today, unless there are any objections.
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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2020, 01:31:39 pm »

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Re: M131: COVID-19 Mafia
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2020, 01:35:26 pm »

Is it really appropriate to me making a COVID-19 themed game whilst we're still in the pandemic and over 700,000 people have died from it? To me this seems just as insensitive as using the word lynch in these games

In the interest of the above, I have decided to rename the game to "Quarantine" mafia, in order to be a little more sensitive to those that have lost loved ones to the COVID-19 virus.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2020, 02:18:02 pm »

I just went to /in, saw the game was full, got sad, then realized I already joined earlier and forgot. Now I'm happy again.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2020, 04:31:07 pm »

The setup is being put together as we speak. PMs will be out shortly. In the meantime, Thread Locked! except for /tags.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2020, 04:50:04 pm »

All PMs have been sent out! Please /confirm in your QTs. Night 0 will start once all players have confirmed and will last ~24 hours.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2020, 05:28:48 pm »

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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2020, 08:12:33 am »

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2020, 08:19:49 am »

Good morning, friends!

The quarantine has begun. Everyone has confirmed so N0 starts now and will last until tomorrow (8/28) morning.

Being locked up together affects us all different. Bored, stir crazy, sleepy, restless.... maybe itís time to start another jigsaw puzzle or work on perfecting your vaccine experiments.
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« Reply #51 on: August 28, 2020, 11:39:40 am »

It was a typical, cozy morning in the apartment of eleven medical students when mail-mi came home with horrible news. Awaclus was enjoying a nice breakfast. jotheonah was in the shower. WestCoastDidds was working on a papaer, and EFHW was studying for exams. None of them knew that their lives were about to change--drastically.

mail-mi burst into the main room. "I have bad news y'all." In his hands he held a sheet of paper with the insignia of the university's hospital. "I tested positive."

One of the dishes that Dylan32 was washing dropped to the floor and shattered. "You're kidding me!" he said. "Does this mean..."

"Yes," mail-mi said. "We have to quarantine for 2 weeks."

"Nooooo" MiX cried. "I hate attending classes online."

"Tell me about it." Straw complained. "I had a date tomorrow too!"

"That's not the worst of it," mail-mi said. "I haven't been outside this apartment for a month now, considering all my classes are online and the dating scene is not very flush for me right now. It means I must have gotten it from one of you."

Swowl came out from one of the many bedrooms, rubbing tired eyes. "What's going on?"

"mail-mi's got the Sickness," cayvie explained, "and he got it from one of us."

"Fortunately," mail-mi said, "the hospital sent me with several take-at-home tests for the Sickness." He laid out ten tests on the large kitchen table. scolapasta picked one up, examining it. It looked a little like the blood prick test that diabetics would take to test their insulin levels.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2020, 11:40:04 am »

Vote: scolapasta

After Marvel, someone was going to do it, why not me?

(and now when *you* do it, is it really RVS??)



Also (make sure you watch until the end, Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd, are clearly the scum!):


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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia
« Reply #53 on: August 28, 2020, 11:48:01 am »

"Nooooo" MiX cried. "I hate attending classes online."

(How does he know...)

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Vote: cayvie, where did you find Straw?

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2020, 12:28:20 pm »

Hey. I am taking a half day at work today, so I'll be able to mafia a lot in an hour or two.

in the meantime,

Vote: scolapasta

He's uniquely positioned to know whether or not he's scum and he appears to think that he is based on his use of his vote. So I'm happy to sheep him.
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« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2020, 12:44:07 pm »

"Nooooo" MiX cried. "I hate attending classes online."

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2020, 12:50:35 pm »

so this appears to be a Dethy variant, and most of these are solvable wins for town. specifically, this seems quite similar to 7-player Dethy (2 mafia, 4 cops of varying skill, 1 vig). However, the difference here is that the vig doesn't know they're a vig, so that solution won't work.

My initial thought here is that everyone should target the people we personally find *scummiest* with our abilities; the most valuable thing a doctor can do is to vig a carrier. and two doctors have a chance of doing that (quack, CPR doc).

thoughts?

other considerations: do we announce our intended targets (with the nurse lying)? that would help us in the case that the weak doctor targets a carrier. my instinct is no, that this helps carriers more than it helps town, but idk.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2020, 12:55:14 pm »

so this appears to be a Dethy variant, and most of these are solvable wins for town. specifically, this seems quite similar to 7-player Dethy (2 mafia, 4 cops of varying skill, 1 vig). However, the difference here is that the vig doesn't know they're a vig, so that solution won't work.

My initial thought here is that everyone should target the people we personally find *scummiest* with our abilities; the most valuable thing a doctor can do is to vig a carrier. and two doctors have a chance of doing that (quack, CPR doc).

thoughts?

other considerations: do we announce our intended targets (with the nurse lying)? that would help us in the case that the weak doctor targets a carrier. my instinct is no, that this helps carriers more than it helps town, but idk.

I agree that we should try to pick scum. However, I think the best plan is everyone picking exactly 1 person, most likely in a single chain (we could use setup order, for example, but I hate that). If everyone picks scumreads, then the chances of vigging scum are severely lowered, as the real docs will also pick them. Besides, if we spread out, we make sure the vig is unapposed, and we can learn from the weak doctor.

With this I suggest we all announce our targets, and try to coordinate a chain of 8 people all targeting each other in a circle, with the 9th person replacing whoever we exile. Exiling doesn't break knowing exactly which doctors there are, since the nurse replaces them.

I have a pretty convoluted plan for picking how we setup the chain, but that's not very important right now.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2020, 01:00:15 pm »

so this appears to be a Dethy variant, and most of these are solvable wins for town. specifically, this seems quite similar to 7-player Dethy (2 mafia, 4 cops of varying skill, 1 vig). However, the difference here is that the vig doesn't know they're a vig, so that solution won't work.

My initial thought here is that everyone should target the people we personally find *scummiest* with our abilities; the most valuable thing a doctor can do is to vig a carrier. and two doctors have a chance of doing that (quack, CPR doc).

thoughts?

other considerations: do we announce our intended targets (with the nurse lying)? that would help us in the case that the weak doctor targets a carrier. my instinct is no, that this helps carriers more than it helps town, but idk.

I agree that we should try to pick scum. However, I think the best plan is everyone picking exactly 1 person, most likely in a single chain (we could use setup order, for example, but I hate that). If everyone picks scumreads, then the chances of vigging scum are severely lowered, as the real docs will also pick them. Besides, if we spread out, we make sure the vig is unapposed, and we can learn from the weak doctor.

With this I suggest we all announce our targets, and try to coordinate a chain of 8 people all targeting each other in a circle, with the 9th person replacing whoever we exile. Exiling doesn't break knowing exactly which doctors there are, since the nurse replaces them.

I have a pretty convoluted plan for picking how we setup the chain, but that's not very important right now.

this seems promising.

i guess another consideration: should we no exile day 1? town have two potential kills, so we theoretically have more killing power than carriers already, so our exile isn't the biggest consideration. i'm kind of leaning toward vote: no exile right now, force the carriers to try to kill our vigs for us, and put it on them to get thru the backup.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2020, 01:03:45 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?
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« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2020, 01:11:18 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

I guess one variation we could do is to have the nurse claim, and then everyone else targets in a circle. This increases the odds of vigging a carrier n1 while we're at it
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2020, 01:13:22 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

I guess one variation we could do is to have the nurse claim, and then everyone else targets in a circle. This increases the odds of vigging a carrier n1 while we're at it

Then whoever isn't being protected is NK'd, in this case, the nurse.
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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2020, 01:16:34 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

I guess one variation we could do is to have the nurse claim, and then everyone else targets in a circle. This increases the odds of vigging a carrier n1 while we're at it

Then whoever isn't being protected is NK'd, in this case, the nurse.

Is that a bad outcome? I would imagine otherwise it's pretty random whom we lose. Having an ic is nice.
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« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2020, 01:17:58 pm »

Going into day 2 minus the nurse, and with all of us knowing for sure who the vigs are seems like a plus.
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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2020, 01:18:52 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

I guess one variation we could do is to have the nurse claim, and then everyone else targets in a circle. This increases the odds of vigging a carrier n1 while we're at it

Then whoever isn't being protected is NK'd, in this case, the nurse.

Is that a bad outcome? I would imagine otherwise it's pretty random whom we lose. Having an ic is nice.

I think it's much better to have an IC tomorrow than today. That's the day where we want information and to definitely catch scum, right? So why have them claim today if they're just going to die at night?

I guess it simplifies who the NK target is, but I think having the IC alive is better.

Going into day 2 minus the nurse, and with all of us knowing for sure who the vigs are seems like a plus.

There is a jailkeeper and a weak doctor, it's not perfect.
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« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2020, 01:21:16 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

I guess one variation we could do is to have the nurse claim, and then everyone else targets in a circle. This increases the odds of vigging a carrier n1 while we're at it

Then whoever isn't being protected is NK'd, in this case, the nurse.

Is that a bad outcome? I would imagine otherwise it's pretty random whom we lose. Having an ic is nice.

I think it's much better to have an IC tomorrow than today. That's the day where we want information and to definitely catch scum, right? So why have them claim today if they're just going to die at night?

I guess it simplifies who the NK target is, but I think having the IC alive is better.

Going into day 2 minus the nurse, and with all of us knowing for sure who the vigs are seems like a plus.

There is a jailkeeper and a weak doctor, it's not perfect.

Yeah I wasn't considering the jk, good point.

(I think mix is town)
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2020, 01:23:54 pm »

Likewise.

Vote: Dylan

I prefer exiling D1 than not, since D1's the best day, so I still like my way better, but otherwise yours seems good, and what we should end up going for if the nurse outs themselves D1 most likely.
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« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2020, 01:28:22 pm »

No exile's fine, but I don't like randomizing what nurse ends up as. Knowing that the nurse isn't dead if they don't flip is good, however.

Oh hey that gives me a good question.

If the nurse turns into a doctor, do they now flip as a doctor, or a nurse?

They will flip as doctor.
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« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2020, 01:53:35 pm »

I looked in the setup, but did not see an answer for this:

When Doctors flip, do they flip as the specific flavor or just generic Doctor?
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« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2020, 01:53:47 pm »


Swowl came out from one of the many bedrooms, rubbing tired eyes. "What's going on?"


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« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2020, 01:57:47 pm »

Am I missing something or are you guys missing something?

Only one vig right?
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« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2020, 01:58:31 pm »

suprise.. its me. mis read CPR doctor. got it.
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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2020, 01:58:49 pm »

Welcome Straw!

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« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2020, 02:02:06 pm »

It's early and I have not had time to think about it... but announcing targets = bad... except no one knows wtf is gonna happen... still mathing out how that would "for sure" solve us who is who. i mean skum obviously lies to convoluted things... and because they have to claim some target. how would we parse who is who in this situation?
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« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2020, 02:09:04 pm »

I looked in the setup, but did not see an answer for this:

When Doctors flip, do they flip as the specific flavor or just generic Doctor?

They will flip as generic Doctor.
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« Reply #75 on: August 28, 2020, 02:19:27 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

scolapasta (2): scolapasta, jotheonah
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Straw (1): Swowl

No Test (1): cayvie

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, EFHW, Dylan32, Straw

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #76 on: August 28, 2020, 02:39:26 pm »

I donít know what to do with my first post without LL here. Vote: MiX I guess. OMGUS a little, but also for making such a strong case on town!me last game that led to shenanigans.  I would vote scola, but Iím never trusting him again, and since his vote seems to suggest he is scum as per Jothís logic, I donít believe it.
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« Reply #77 on: August 28, 2020, 02:41:46 pm »

I donít know what to do with my first post without LL here. Vote: MiX I guess. OMGUS a little, but also for making such a strong case on town!me last game that led to shenanigans.  I would vote scola, but Iím never trusting him again, and since his vote seems to suggest he is scum as per Jothís logic, I donít believe it.

I'll make sure to ask for a PR claim before pushing you next time.

Also can you not make your summary of this game "MiX is scum" again? Because that was almost as anti-town as what I was doing :P
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« Reply #78 on: August 28, 2020, 02:42:52 pm »

I was using my MiX is scum play to get info on others, particularly scola. It was working until you and EFHW started pushing back so hard for a wagon on me lol
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« Reply #79 on: August 28, 2020, 02:43:38 pm »

But yeah, I canít imagine that working two games in a row, so if I push you this game, know it will be totally sincere lol
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #80 on: August 28, 2020, 02:44:33 pm »

And swowl, letís not end up in a spot where you are asking yourself your sig question again.

Ok, Iím done referring to last game now.
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« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2020, 02:45:47 pm »

I was using my MiX is scum play to get info on others, particularly scola. It was working until you and EFHW started pushing back so hard for a wagon on me lol

It's a bad play.

No, honestly, pushing me as a play is probably the worst way to sort me. Just interact with me when I'm around, which is always, it's much better.

But yeah, I canít imagine that working two games in a row, so if I push you this game, know it will be totally sincere lol

I didn't really work last game...or something. You need to make yourself stand out more than what your read on me is.

And swowl, letís not end up in a spot where you are asking yourself your sig question again.

Ok, Iím done referring to last game now.

Quickhammering is fun! And I still think you should've claimed SoD3.

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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2020, 03:30:21 pm »

Just saying Hi for the moment. More later!
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« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2020, 03:59:49 pm »

I fucked up guys. Didn't realize Galz was not in this game...


MiX - Why are you not skum this game?
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« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2020, 04:01:29 pm »

Just saying Hi for the moment. More later!

Hi efhw!

I fucked up guys. Didn't realize Galz was not in this game...


MiX - Why are you not skum this game?

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« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2020, 04:17:57 pm »

I fucked up guys. Didn't realize Galz was not in this game...


MiX - Why are you not skum this game?

Because Galz isn't town.

I fucked up guys. Didn't realize Galz was not in this game...


MiX - Why are you not skum this game?

What difference would it make if galzria were in the game

Galz's been asking me that particular question every game now, so if he's not here someone else has to, right?
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« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2020, 05:23:21 pm »

And swowl, letís not end up in a spot where you are asking yourself your sig question again.

Ok, Iím done referring to last game now.

I'm happy to keep discussing the last game. :)

Also, I've decided I need to start to embrace D1. MiX, teach me the ways...
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« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2020, 05:32:49 pm »

Re last game, I will try hard not to be so touchy.

It seems like people acting scummy on purpose was a thing for some reason. I don't need to do that, which is good I guess.
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« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2020, 05:37:42 pm »

I agree that exile today seems less important than usual.

N1 is so swingy. What if only 1/2 of us use our doctor power, with assigned targets? This avoids the wake up Day 2 with the game over possibility. I haven't mathed out the chances of that, but as we get information on subsequent days, things get less and less swingy.
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« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2020, 05:38:07 pm »

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« Reply #90 on: August 28, 2020, 06:54:06 pm »

I agree that exile today seems less important than usual.

N1 is so swingy. What if only 1/2 of us use our doctor power, with assigned targets? This avoids the wake up Day 2 with the game over possibility. I haven't mathed out the chances of that, but as we get information on subsequent days, things get less and less swingy.

I had a similar thought, not exactly but more based around how we can narrow it down as days progress.

The issue I am running into at least... it is the value of a) finding skum vs b) learning what powers we all have.

Because of the skum being in the game bit... if it is actually 50% use and 50% don't use, then it really messes with our chances of finding skum, and also it really allows skum a lot of wiggle room to feed false info (thus making us think we have different powers... thus messing it all up). At least that is what I make of it.

It maybe works if like x-% of people declare target and then x-% of people do not. the people that do not declare targets would then claim after the people that do declare targets? That would at least then keep skum from messing with us... although it would also potentially mess with the results that we are trying to procure.
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« Reply #91 on: August 28, 2020, 06:59:15 pm »

I do agree with you in regards to "things get better as days go on" though.

Maybe the best play here is to go "no plan" until something becomes apparent to 1-2 people and then we take it from there?

or even more so we could try to map out the roles that we realllly don't want to be confused about and just try to figure those out tomorrow.?
that would be to say like...
1. Everyone just does whatever tonight
2. If you targeted someone and they died, claim it.
3. Then everyone else that targeted that player also claims it.

Wait does that actually work out decently? I mean we have no way of knowing how many people target dead-player X and all.. but it would help ID the players in a group of sorts that are either
a) telling the truth and targeted that player
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b) skum, and the pool would be small (assumption there) which makes it harder for skum to lie
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« Reply #92 on: August 28, 2020, 08:02:38 pm »

I agree that exile today seems less important than usual.

N1 is so swingy. What if only 1/2 of us use our doctor power, with assigned targets? This avoids the wake up Day 2 with the game over possibility. I haven't mathed out the chances of that, but as we get information on subsequent days, things get less and less swingy.

uh i think wake up game 2 means town wins, yes? why would you be worried about that?

if both vigs target town and the weak doctor dies, and the nightkill goes thru and none of these kills overlap, we wake up with 3 town and 2 carriers.
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« Reply #93 on: August 28, 2020, 08:05:06 pm »

I agree that exile today seems less important than usual.

N1 is so swingy. What if only 1/2 of us use our doctor power, with assigned targets? This avoids the wake up Day 2 with the game over possibility. I haven't mathed out the chances of that, but as we get information on subsequent days, things get less and less swingy.

uh i think wake up Day 2 withe the game over means town wins, yes? why would you be worried about that?

if both vigs target town and the weak doctor dies, and the nightkill goes thru and none of these kills overlap, we wake up with 3 town and 2 carriers.

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« Reply #94 on: August 28, 2020, 08:27:34 pm »

I was thinking about the wake up and scum has won, but if we go through with no exile, I think that will become even more unlikely. 
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« Reply #95 on: August 28, 2020, 08:55:59 pm »

We want to find out which ones of us kill/protect. I don't think scum can mess with that a whole lot. No redirector or bus driver. They can't protect anyone. They can only nk one person. If we assign targets, they could make it seem that one person can kill who actually can't. They definitely add noise, but not to the point where we get no benefit from trying.

I just had another idea, which I have not thought through yet. What if ... never mind.  I was thinking we could pair up in targeting, like pooled testing, but that's probably too messy. It would take too many nights to get good info. The benefit would be that fewer people would die at night.

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« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2020, 09:03:16 pm »

I agree that exile today seems less important than usual.

N1 is so swingy. What if only 1/2 of us use our doctor power, with assigned targets? This avoids the wake up Day 2 with the game over possibility. I haven't mathed out the chances of that, but as we get information on subsequent days, things get less and less swingy.

uh i think wake up game 2 means town wins, yes? why would you be worried about that?

if both vigs target town and the weak doctor dies, and the nightkill goes thru and none of these kills overlap, we wake up with 3 town and 2 carriers.
Right, with no misexile Day 1. So without misexile, scum win is not unlikely,  it's impossible.
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« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2020, 09:07:53 pm »

Hi everyone!

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so this appears to be a Dethy variant, and most of these are solvable wins for town. specifically, this seems quite similar to 7-player Dethy (2 mafia, 4 cops of varying skill, 1 vig). However, the difference here is that the vig doesn't know they're a vig, so that solution won't work.

My initial thought here is that everyone should target the people we personally find *scummiest* with our abilities; the most valuable thing a doctor can do is to vig a carrier. and two doctors have a chance of doing that (quack, CPR doc).

thoughts?

other considerations: do we announce our intended targets (with the nurse lying)? that would help us in the case that the weak doctor targets a carrier. my instinct is no, that this helps carriers more than it helps town, but idk.

I agree that we should try to pick scum. However, I think the best plan is everyone picking exactly 1 person, most likely in a single chain (we could use setup order, for example, but I hate that). If everyone picks scumreads, then the chances of vigging scum are severely lowered, as the real docs will also pick them. Besides, if we spread out, we make sure the vig is unapposed, and we can learn from the weak doctor.

With this I suggest we all announce our targets, and try to coordinate a chain of 8 people all targeting each other in a circle, with the 9th person replacing whoever we exile. Exiling doesn't break knowing exactly which doctors there are, since the nurse replaces them.

I have a pretty convoluted plan for picking how we setup the chain, but that's not very important right now.
I'll have to think more about the chain, but it does seem to be a good idea. Hopefully we'd be able to figure out several roles from it.

For exiling today, I'd be in favor. I think not exiling would give us too little information, and D1 is particularly important given how short this game will probably be.

For nurse, anyone have thoughts on them claiming or not? I'd be in favor of them claiming near EoD.

Cayvie, I think there's theoretically a situation where scum wins at the start of D2:
-7 v 2 (start of game)
-6 v 2 (mis-exile villager)
-5 v 2 (mafia kill)
-4 v 2 (weak doc hits mafia)
-3 v 2 (CPR doc hits villager)
-2 v 2 (quack doc hits villager)

Not very likely though, since literally everything would have to go wrong.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2020, 09:17:35 pm »

Jk throws another small wrench into our deductions, since their target won't have an effective action.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2020, 10:26:56 pm »

I'm liking my pairing idea a little better.  Deaths yield more info than with solo targeting, but survivors yield less.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2020, 10:41:00 pm »

4 ways to die: by nk, by quack, as weak targeting scum, by CPR not needed.

4 ways to be protected: by the real dr, weak targets town, CPR needed, jk.

1 way to receive neither protection or attack: by naive.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2020, 10:05:28 am »

vote: scolapasta
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2020, 10:13:30 am »

i don't see any solving in scola's iso, i just see a self-vote and trying to blend in a bit.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2020, 10:50:55 am »

Prod: Awaclus

i don't see any solving in scola's iso, i just see a self-vote and trying to blend in a bit.

Welcome to scola! He doesn't do D1.

Also:

Awesome, what are your reads thus far?

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2020, 03:35:23 pm »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #105 on: August 29, 2020, 03:41:34 pm »

WCD stretches and yawns and considers a nap. On the way out of the living room she stops by and knocks is on Awaclusí door. You know, just to see if heís up or if heís written any new music.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #106 on: August 29, 2020, 03:54:44 pm »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

Unvote

If you want to play D1, then you'll have to embrace The Reads. Read these 5 pages, see what tips you off, question what you need to, even if it looks weak it's better than nothing, and pushing in general leads to better reads.

Direct interaction's best, if you see someone's online when you're not busy, talk to them directly, ask what they think of certain posts or to clarify their reads. You can also call out to people that aren't there but you think are scummy for some reason or another, just to get more interactions with them.

For an example of questions that I think are good: you just had your first scum game. What do you think is different between scumapasta and scolatowna? What did you see as things you needed to change, and things you needed to stick to to look like your town self? What would you change in your town game if you wanted to hurt your scum game?

Also, what are your reads? Who's scummiest? Unvotes are sad.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #107 on: August 29, 2020, 04:05:38 pm »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

Unvote

If you want to play D1, then you'll have to embrace The Reads. Read these 5 pages, see what tips you off, question what you need to, even if it looks weak it's better than nothing, and pushing in general leads to better reads.

Direct interaction's best, if you see someone's online when you're not busy, talk to them directly, ask what they think of certain posts or to clarify their reads. You can also call out to people that aren't there but you think are scummy for some reason or another, just to get more interactions with them.

For an example of questions that I think are good: you just had your first scum game. What do you think is different between scumapasta and scolatowna? What did you see as things you needed to change, and things you needed to stick to to look like your town self? What would you change in your town game if you wanted to hurt your scum game?

Also, what are your reads? Who's scummiest? Unvotes are sad.

OK, I'll find some time to read and try the above. Probably tomorrow or Monday...

Unvotes may generally be sad, but c'mon, I was voting myself (mostly so you couldn't!). So really, I've just reverted to the norm of not voting early D1.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #108 on: August 29, 2020, 06:21:13 pm »

So, let's try to get some actual discussion going.

Re last game, I will try hard not to be so touchy.

It seems like people acting scummy on purpose was a thing for some reason. I don't need to do that, which is good I guess.
First of all, what's the meta on this? I think that last line is saying that they tend to act scummy which I read as suspicious.

Now for actual reads:
-cayvie as mild mafia. Specifically, i find it weird that she forgot about all the non-vig docs when making her plan? I'd think that if she was a doctor she'd be more familiar with the mechanics.
-MiX as village. No major pings from them and seems helpful so far.
-Swowl as null. Haven't seen much from them that made me swing either way.
-EFHW as mild mafia. I found the quote above odd.
-Not enough to say for everyone else so far.

Anyone have thoughts on these reads?

Also, I don't get people jumping on scola. Just seems like typical D1 memeing so far.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #109 on: August 29, 2020, 06:31:30 pm »

Re last game, I will try hard not to be so touchy.

It seems like people acting scummy on purpose was a thing for some reason. I don't need to do that, which is good I guess.
First of all, what's the meta on this? I think that last line is saying that they tend to act scummy which I read as suspicious.

I think what you need to know is that "last game" had a bunch of PRs, so I guess EFHW means that they were acting scummy on purpose?

I'd love a clarification from her, at least.

Now for actual reads:
-cayvie as mild mafia. Specifically, i find it weird that she forgot about all the non-vig docs when making her plan? I'd think that if she was a doctor she'd be more familiar with the mechanics.
-MiX as village. No major pings from them and seems helpful so far.
-Swowl as null. Haven't seen much from them that made me swing either way.
-EFHW as mild mafia. I found the quote above odd.
-Not enough to say for everyone else so far.

Anyone have thoughts on these reads?

Also, I don't get people jumping on scola. Just seems like typical D1 memeing so far.

- What are you talking about re: cayvie? Forgetting about JK and weak doctor as not just being doctors is a fair mistake. Do you think scum!cayvie would know less than town!cayvie? What do you know of cayvie in general?
- That's weird, most people scumread me. I'll keep this in mind.
- Is this null read better than the non-reads you give of the remaining 4? If so, why?
- Did anything else from her ping you, or just that?

What do you think of scola? Towny, scummy, nully? Anything?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #110 on: August 29, 2020, 08:08:47 pm »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

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is it interesting?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #111 on: August 29, 2020, 08:10:22 pm »

So, let's try to get some actual discussion going.

Re last game, I will try hard not to be so touchy.

It seems like people acting scummy on purpose was a thing for some reason. I don't need to do that, which is good I guess.
First of all, what's the meta on this? I think that last line is saying that they tend to act scummy which I read as suspicious.

Now for actual reads:
-cayvie as mild mafia. Specifically, i find it weird that she forgot about all the non-vig docs when making her plan? I'd think that if she was a doctor she'd be more familiar with the mechanics.
-MiX as village. No major pings from them and seems helpful so far.
-Swowl as null. Haven't seen much from them that made me swing either way.
-EFHW as mild mafia. I found the quote above odd.
-Not enough to say for everyone else so far.

Anyone have thoughts on these reads?

Also, I don't get people jumping on scola. Just seems like typical D1 memeing so far.

why would you expect a doctor to have a better understanding of that?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #112 on: August 29, 2020, 08:14:44 pm »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

Unvote

is it interesting?

eh i can be more clear than that.

i didn't vote you for the self-vote alone. i voted you because your engagement at that point consisted of:

a self-vote
a question about mechanics
asking MiX for help

none of these actions scream *curiosity* to me. specifically, asking the mod about mechanics early can often be a way for scum to produce content early that appears helpful, but doesn't actually help advance a town win.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #113 on: August 29, 2020, 08:17:14 pm »

also: MiX, i'm so happy you're not a third party this game XD
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #114 on: August 29, 2020, 08:17:38 pm »

Mr. MiX help the slow kid out here.

I wanna say I like the plan you are laying out? So, this isn't me being a pain.. I mean it is, but just trying to poke holes because the woopsie from the last game still kind of fresh in my head...

So like... 1 targets 2, 2 targets 3, etc etc.... 9 targets 1. Do I have that correct?

Assuming I do, here are the issues I have that maybe you can explain what the plan is.

Obviously #1 is the fact that there are no investigation roles, so there is no way to keep skum honest here. The fact is that 2/9 people in the chain will absolutely be inclined to mess with the assigned order, which in hand messes with our results.

I think the issue I am having wrapping my head around this one is that we are GTD to have at least the following deaths, assuming everyone (including skum) targets their assigned player:

CPR Doctor - GTD to kill their target
Quack Doctor - GTD to kill their target
Skum Kill - GTD to kill their target
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Weak Doctor - Dies if they are targeting skum

OK, so assuming a mis lynch today, and the weak doctor does not die... what happens and what do we learn?

1. Where would we be?
- We go from Day 1 of 9 alive to a Day 2 start of 5 alive. So just right there, it is some where between a) super lucky insta town win, b) 1 v 4 and c) 2 v 3. So we need to be damn sure this is a +EV plan vs "random selection" because 2 v 3 is the heavy favorite there. Or I guess not heavy, but still favorite.

2. What do we learn?
- K. Plan for the worst. Let's say we wake up 2 v 3, and players 3, 6, and 9 are dead. Who could those players be?
a) 1/ 3 of 2, 5, or 8 could be skum and just carried the kill out where they should for camo
b) so then 2/3 COULD be town killing doctors, assuming all town flips.
c) but also skum could get lucky and choose a non-assigned target, in which case all 3/3 of those players could actually be town. 

That does not sound awesome. Given there is a shit ton of other ways it could pan out, but like... that would suck.

Then OTOH we have the situation of trying to deduce the roles of players that targeted people who woke up alive. That would be players 1, 4, 7. 1/3 of those players would have to be skum and 2/3 would have to be town. That isn't bad... but we don't have time to like gamble that out at that point. We wouldn't know who is the weak doc, niave doc, and/or the skum... so there would be no way to set up a situation to protect the right people and kill the right people based on pools. We would have to isolate it to like... 2 people.... or more specifically I guess 2 people in pools of 1/3... which I will give you is better than standard.. but still.

And then again, there are like a ton of other ways it could pan out.

So I guess my question is... what is the next step to your plan here? What am I not seeing?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #115 on: August 29, 2020, 08:29:52 pm »

- What are you talking about re: cayvie? Forgetting about JK and weak doctor as not just being doctors is a fair mistake. Do you think scum!cayvie would know less than town!cayvie? What do you know of cayvie in general?
why would you expect a doctor to have a better understanding of that?
I typically think that someone who has a certain role would have a better understanding of that role. It could just be a difference in play style, but I thought it was worth noting.

- That's weird, most people scumread me. I'll keep this in mind.
- Is this null read better than the non-reads you give of the remaining 4? If so, why?
- Did anything else from her ping you, or just that?

What do you think of scola? Towny, scummy, nully? Anything?
The null read is kind of weird tbh. They had posted enough stuff that I thought it was important to take a look at their posts, but I didn't see much AI stuff. Most of their content has been pretty mechanical so far.

I have scola as null. They've mainly just had some SoD memeing into D1 meta discussion. I don't think there's anything there that indicates either way.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #116 on: August 29, 2020, 08:53:45 pm »

you know what mix... ignore me. in my scenario with the three players following the flipped dead town doctors all being alive still... I see my error. we would know that those 3 players were some variation of non-killing doctors... so then based off that we know they would have to be some combo of  Doc, Naive Doc, Paranoid Doc, and/or Weak Doc. That would leave the only renaming docs possible CPR, Quack, and ofc the 1/4 that it wasn't of the 3 flips... and the nurse.

Now one of them would of assumedly been mis lynched today. but still those would be the combos. So the killing roles would in fact know they were killing roles and the proc roles would know they were proc roles.

That makes more sense. Got it. I am in for this plan.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #117 on: August 29, 2020, 08:55:22 pm »

there is the low probability downside of nurse coming after skum or skum coming after skum ofc.

and then the weak doc part.

but all in all, I think I like it.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #118 on: August 29, 2020, 09:03:13 pm »

Straw - this game aside... what is your general "skummy vs not skummy" take on players that discuss set up Day 1?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #119 on: August 29, 2020, 09:04:08 pm »


Also, I don't get people jumping on scola. Just seems like typical D1 memeing so far.

Site meta. He MVPd his first ever skum game in the game we just concluded.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #120 on: August 29, 2020, 09:56:30 pm »

Straw - this game aside... what is your general "skummy vs not skummy" take on players that discuss set up Day 1?
I'd say it heavily depends on the setup and how important mechanics are. I generally don't think it's much of a tell either way, unless it's taking up a huge portion of someone's posts. Essentially, the context is more important than just the fact that they were discussing it, if that makes any sense.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #121 on: August 29, 2020, 10:56:07 pm »

Straw - this game aside... what is your general "skummy vs not skummy" take on players that discuss set up Day 1?
I'd say it heavily depends on the setup and how important mechanics are. I generally don't think it's much of a tell either way, unless it's taking up a huge portion of someone's posts. Essentially, the context is more important than just the fact that they were discussing it, if that makes any sense.

groovy bears. makes sense to me.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #122 on: August 29, 2020, 11:06:19 pm »

What would be the plan if we successfully binked skum Day 1? Would we still carry out the plan?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #123 on: August 29, 2020, 11:26:30 pm »

So, let's try to get some actual discussion going.

Re last game, I will try hard not to be so touchy.

It seems like people acting scummy on purpose was a thing for some reason. I don't need to do that, which is good I guess.
First of all, what's the meta on this? I think that last line is saying that they tend to act scummy which I read as suspicious.

Now for actual reads:
-cayvie as mild mafia. Specifically, i find it weird that she forgot about all the non-vig docs when making her plan? I'd think that if she was a doctor she'd be more familiar with the mechanics.
-MiX as village. No major pings from them and seems helpful so far.
-Swowl as null. Haven't seen much from them that made me swing either way.
-EFHW as mild mafia. I found the quote above odd.
-Not enough to say for everyone else so far.

Anyone have thoughts on these reads?

Also, I don't get people jumping on scola. Just seems like typical D1 memeing so far.

I was referring to being read as scummy in the last game, when I definitely was not trying to be. So /rueful and /a bit sarcastic.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #124 on: August 29, 2020, 11:34:08 pm »

I'm spending too much time on the puzzle aspect of things.

prod: joth.

@MiX, why did you prod Awaclus and not joth?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #125 on: August 29, 2020, 11:45:23 pm »

Hi! Sorry I suck. Here now, reading/rereading.

I have no thoughts on the plan/setup talk, Iíll do whatever everyone agrees on. I still think Scola is a fine place to rest my vote. Itís not because he MVPd that other game though, I try to only play the current game, not the last one.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #126 on: August 29, 2020, 11:47:24 pm »

I'm spending too much time on the puzzle aspect of things.

prod: joth.

@MiX, why did you prod Awaclus and not joth?

presumably because joth had at least posted in RVS, unlike Awaclus
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #127 on: August 29, 2020, 11:47:35 pm »

Hey. I am taking a half day at work today, so I'll be able to mafia a lot in an hour or two.

in the meantime,

Vote: scolapasta

He's uniquely positioned to know whether or not he's scum and he appears to think that he is based on his use of his vote. So I'm happy to sheep him.

Whoops, missed this. MiX made prod request before joth was eligible. Guess he found something more fun to do with his time off. scola vote is certainly well reasoned. RVS, but logical.

PPE: a wild joth appears!
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #128 on: August 30, 2020, 12:00:59 am »

Hi! Sorry I suck. Here now, reading/rereading.

I have no thoughts on the plan/setup talk, Iíll do whatever everyone agrees on. I still think Scola is a fine place to rest my vote. Itís not because he MVPd that other game though, I try to only play the current game, not the last one.

More tomorrow.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2020, 12:04:31 am »

first blush reads

town: MiX
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post pls: Awaclus
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2020, 03:53:46 am »

Sorry, I had refresher training. Vote: EFHW
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #131 on: August 30, 2020, 05:44:47 am »

you know what mix... ignore me. in my scenario with the three players following the flipped dead town doctors all being alive still... I see my error. we would know that those 3 players were some variation of non-killing doctors... so then based off that we know they would have to be some combo of  Doc, Naive Doc, Paranoid Doc, and/or Weak Doc. That would leave the only renaming docs possible CPR, Quack, and ofc the 1/4 that it wasn't of the 3 flips... and the nurse.

Now one of them would of assumedly been mis lynched today. but still those would be the combos. So the killing roles would in fact know they were killing roles and the proc roles would know they were proc roles.

That makes more sense. Got it. I am in for this plan.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but you're basically right. Some deaths happen, some things are learned, I think in the 3/2 alive D2 scenario we almost always catch scum, and then we still have at least 1 vig alive.

I'd need to do some examples to see if there's any problems, but for me it's the standard way of dealing with this setup.

What would be the plan if we successfully binked skum Day 1? Would we still carry out the plan?

The plan would definitely be carried out, the information we get is much better when there's only 1 person that can lie and NK (for the JK).

I'm spending too much time on the puzzle aspect of things.

prod: joth.

@MiX, why did you prod Awaclus and not joth?

presumably because joth had at least posted in RVS, unlike Awaclus

Yes, this, I don't know why you prodded joth, EFHW.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #132 on: August 30, 2020, 09:41:10 am »

I said before, I missed his entry post. Or are you joking because of my question to you?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #133 on: August 30, 2020, 09:44:09 am »

I had a whole MiX-Awaclus partner speculation  going. Or maybe MiX-joth.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #134 on: August 30, 2020, 09:45:56 am »

Sorry, I had refresher training. Vote: EFHW

what is refresher training?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #135 on: August 30, 2020, 10:13:56 am »

I said before, I missed his entry post. Or are you joking because of my question to you?

Hmm...I guess this makes sense.

I had a whole MiX-Awaclus partner speculation  going. Or maybe MiX-joth.

Which was it then?

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #136 on: August 30, 2020, 10:19:27 am »

what was your plan for deciding the chain order, mix? or is it still too early to say
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #137 on: August 30, 2020, 10:36:40 am »

what was your plan for deciding the chain order, mix? or is it still too early to say

I'd give it 1 more day, it's reads-based so it's important everyone has a top scumread and a top townread.

Do you still think scola's scum?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #138 on: August 30, 2020, 10:37:03 am »

first blush reads

town: MiX
townie-ish: dylan32, EFHW, Swowl, jotheonah
suspicious: scola, straw
carriers: ??

post pls: Awaclus

Oh right you did this, ignore me.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #139 on: August 30, 2020, 01:07:21 pm »

you know what mix... ignore me. in my scenario with the three players following the flipped dead town doctors all being alive still... I see my error. we would know that those 3 players were some variation of non-killing doctors... so then based off that we know they would have to be some combo of  Doc, Naive Doc, Paranoid Doc, and/or Weak Doc. That would leave the only renaming docs possible CPR, Quack, and ofc the 1/4 that it wasn't of the 3 flips... and the nurse.

Now one of them would of assumedly been mis lynched today. but still those would be the combos. So the killing roles would in fact know they were killing roles and the proc roles would know they were proc roles.

That makes more sense. Got it. I am in for this plan.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but you're basically right. Some deaths happen, some things are learned, I think in the 3/2 alive D2 scenario we almost always catch scum, and then we still have at least 1 vig alive.

I'd need to do some examples to see if there's any problems, but for me it's the standard way of dealing with this setup.

What would be the plan if we successfully binked skum Day 1? Would we still carry out the plan?

The plan would definitely be carried out, the information we get is much better when there's only 1 person that can lie and NK (for the JK).


Yeah, I rando generated roles and used the sign up order and I mean it is only one run through, but we found skum A, identified an IC (the JK), and narrowed skum B down to 1/3 (where the other 2 were the vigs). Which would be a fantastic run out obviously.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #140 on: August 30, 2020, 01:17:35 pm »

In that setup, the vigs can triangulate shooting each other, so scum always dies.

See? The plan's great in theory. It can just win us the game.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #141 on: August 30, 2020, 01:48:21 pm »

I said before, I missed his entry post. Or are you joking because of my question to you?

Hmm...I guess this makes sense.

I had a whole MiX-Awaclus partner speculation  going. Or maybe MiX-joth.

Which was it then?

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Sorry man. Sister had surgery this weekend, so Iíve been pretty preoccupied. It feels good to be missed though lol. Iíll spend more time thinking and rereading here in a bit and get back to you. Not dodging your earlier question, just havenít been in the headspace to answer for a bit.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #142 on: August 30, 2020, 03:39:33 pm »

In that setup, the vigs can triangulate shooting each other, so scum always dies.

See? The plan's great in theory. It can just win us the game.

Yeah i mean that was my point. At least in that set up we win every time.
Tried thinking about it in terms of ďbad outcomesĒ, of which there are some. But overall it sounds good.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #143 on: August 30, 2020, 04:46:40 pm »

I said before, I missed his entry post. Or are you joking because of my question to you?

Hmm...I guess this makes sense.

I had a whole MiX-Awaclus partner speculation  going. Or maybe MiX-joth.

Which was it then?

Dylan can you come back, I miss you.

Sorry man. Sister had surgery this weekend, so Iíve been pretty preoccupied. It feels good to be missed though lol. Iíll spend more time thinking and rereading here in a bit and get back to you. Not dodging your earlier question, just havenít been in the headspace to answer for a bit.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #144 on: August 31, 2020, 01:37:30 am »

So I have nothing better to do, and I have been thinking about the mix plan more. I don't wanna really go into why, in case we do actually do it... but there are def some substantial holes. That being said, IDK if holes is less or greater than random... but I am def more skeptical of it now than I was before.

To be clear, no knocks on MiX for the idea. I just don't have the faith in it that I originally did.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #145 on: August 31, 2020, 07:10:57 am »

So I have nothing better to do, and I have been thinking about the mix plan more. I don't wanna really go into why, in case we do actually do it... but there are def some substantial holes. That being said, IDK if holes is less or greater than random... but I am def more skeptical of it now than I was before.

To be clear, no knocks on MiX for the idea. I just don't have the faith in it that I originally did.

I can see this, I was doing some theorizing yesterday and in some scenarios you learn very little. Hopefully it's something that can be compounded onto future days of information to learn more.


Okay, now time for the Chain Formation Plan:

Step 1: Pick a consensus town, because we're doing this kinda like popcorn. From what I saw of the thread, I guess I'm the most townread individual here? I'd love Dylan to come back with what he thinks of me, but there's been 2 readlists and I'm top town there, so... I'd nominate cayvie for this if you don't want me to do it.

Step 2: That player picks their scummiest player to be their doc target.

Step 3: The same player picks whoever the player they're targeting is then going to target, which should be their top townread that hasn't been picked yet. This way, if the person picking is A, they would target B, their scumread, and B would target C, which is A's townread, and thus the chain reads A -> B -> C.

Step 4: The player that is the top townread (so, C) repeats steps 2 and 3.

This results in an 8 player chain, as the fourth person picks someone to target, and said target has to doc the first person in the chain. The ninth person, the one left out, replaces whoever's exiled, in case that happens, or places itself in between the 8th and 1st person in the chain, if there's no exile.


Does this make sense? Everyone understand that? I can't explain things very well so this is most likely a mess.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #146 on: August 31, 2020, 07:14:54 am »

To summarize, the chain should look like this:

A -> A's scumread -> A's townread (B) -> B's scumread -> B's townread (C) -> C's scumread -> C's townread (D) -> D's scumread -> A

Which is an 8 person chain, with whoever's left out replacing who's exiled.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #147 on: August 31, 2020, 08:00:30 am »

I can't say I like this plan. It's a good idea to try to include some scumhunting, but it's only A, B, and C's scumhunting,  and you are proposing yourself for A! I don't have a better plan atm, but I'm not seeing the benefits of this one.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #148 on: August 31, 2020, 08:03:58 am »

I can't say I like this plan. It's a good idea to try to include some scumhunting, but it's only A, B, and C's scumhunting,  and you are proposing yourself for A! I don't have a better plan atm, but I'm not seeing the benefits of this one.

I'd rather not propose myself, but someone needs to start the chain.

Who's your top townread? Who's your top scumread?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #149 on: August 31, 2020, 08:10:44 am »

Wait, this plan is equivalent to random. Everyone gets targeted by someone else.  It doesn't matter who targets who.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #150 on: August 31, 2020, 08:12:38 am »

Wait, this plan is equivalent to random. Everyone gets targeted by someone else.  It doesn't matter who targets who.

Well, almost, but this plan minimizes scum picking scum. We want to maximize vigs picking scum, so this is better than random.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #151 on: August 31, 2020, 08:34:19 am »

I don't think it is better than random given the usual accuracy of day 1 scumhunting. One of A,B,C could easily be scum. What it does do is force A, B, and C to state specific reads. Is that beneficial to town? Isn't that the kind of information scum like to have? If they were scum, that could be beneficial, but they are being chosen because they are being seen as towny.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #152 on: August 31, 2020, 08:35:32 am »

I can't say I like this plan. It's a good idea to try to include some scumhunting, but it's only A, B, and C's scumhunting,  and you are proposing yourself for A! I don't have a better plan atm, but I'm not seeing the benefits of this one.

I'd rather not propose myself, but someone needs to start the chain.

Who's your top townread? Who's your top scumread?
I don't want to answer this question. It doesn't feel right.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #153 on: August 31, 2020, 08:40:33 am »

I don't think it is better than random given the usual accuracy of day 1 scumhunting. One of A,B,C could easily be scum. What it does do is force A, B, and C to state specific reads. Is that beneficial to town? Isn't that the kind of information scum like to have? If they were scum, that could be beneficial, but they are being chosen because they are being seen as towny.

Day 1 scumreading is very accurate. Day 1 exiling isn't, because scum gets in the way of that. I'd refer to a previous game if Straw wasn't here.

Giving reads is fine, everyone wants to say their top scumread anyway, and just 1 townread barely matters. Also, if scum wants to target scum, they also have to bus a little, which helps town.

It's definitely better than no plan, and it seems like the best "random" chain you can make, outside setup order.

I can't say I like this plan. It's a good idea to try to include some scumhunting, but it's only A, B, and C's scumhunting,  and you are proposing yourself for A! I don't have a better plan atm, but I'm not seeing the benefits of this one.

I'd rather not propose myself, but someone needs to start the chain.

Who's your top townread? Who's your top scumread?
I don't want to answer this question. It doesn't feel right.

Do you not have a scumread?

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #154 on: August 31, 2020, 11:01:28 am »

How do you know Day 1 scumreading is very accurate? I haven't noticed that. Space and I were going to try to do a study on it, but we never did.

You are making a few assumptions in voting me. 1. that I have no scumreads. 2. that not having scumreads this early is a scumtell. 3. that not doing what you command is scummy.

Your plan is not better than random. But it's not necessarily worse. If A, B and C are all fine with it, then I don't really care. I liked trying to puzzle out my pairs plan, but I think it's not better than random, either.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #155 on: August 31, 2020, 11:13:21 am »

How do you know Day 1 scumreading is very accurate? I haven't noticed that. Space and I were going to try to do a study on it, but we never did.

You are making a few assumptions in voting me. 1. that I have no scumreads. 2. that not having scumreads this early is a scumtell. 3. that not doing what you command is scummy.

Your plan is not better than random. But it's not necessarily worse. If A, B and C are all fine with it, then I don't really care. I liked trying to puzzle out my pairs plan, but I think it's not better than random, either.

No, I can't demonstrate day 1 scumreading is X% accurate. That number isn't even important. What matters is that it's accurate enough for my plan to be better than random. It's impossible to verify this claim with evidence, so why use it at all?

I'm making the assumption that you don't want to say what your scumread is. But fine, I guess I was assuming 2. as well.

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #156 on: August 31, 2020, 11:16:39 am »

Hi! Sorry I suck. Here now, reading/rereading.

I have no thoughts on the plan/setup talk, Iíll do whatever everyone agrees on. I still think Scola is a fine place to rest my vote. Itís not because he MVPd that other game though, I try to only play the current game, not the last one.

More tomorrow.

Why scola for real (vs RVS)?

It has to do with how he responded to the votes on him. Like he was worried but trying to look not worried. Let me find and quote the part that pinged me.
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« Reply #157 on: August 31, 2020, 11:18:43 am »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

Unvote

I guess it was this one. After ignoring my vote completely, when cayvie votes for him it's sort of this meek 'haha guyz I was kidding. how bout those votes'

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« Reply #158 on: August 31, 2020, 11:21:56 am »

Sure, but I want to get better at D1!

I think also, especially on D1, I don't post much on weekends.

Anyway, I was obviously kidding about my self vote, interesting that I managed to draw two votes...

Unvote

I guess it was this one. After ignoring my vote completely, when cayvie votes for him it's sort of this meek 'haha guyz I was kidding. how bout those votes'

idk

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #159 on: August 31, 2020, 12:21:30 pm »

Well either of the other directions -- actually not being worried or being openly worried about the votes on him. That post just read as a calculated amount of worried. It's a day one gut read, not an ironclad case. I'm just explaining because EFHW asked.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #160 on: August 31, 2020, 01:05:36 pm »

if d1 scumreading means anything, i fairly confidently don't think EFHW is a carrier this game. and i have a fairly accurate record of catching her as scum.
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« Reply #161 on: August 31, 2020, 01:20:11 pm »

Well either of the other directions -- actually not being worried or being openly worried about the votes on him. That post just read as a calculated amount of worried. It's a day one gut read, not an ironclad case. I'm just explaining because EFHW asked.

This is so weak as to be suspicious. Voting for me was clearly as a joke due to last game. I don't really think anyone who's town would actually think my self vote for myself being anything but NAI. So if that's the only reason you're voting for me, yeah, that's a little scummy.

Still planning on finding time to think of suggested plan. Generally, need to decide if I like the idea. If it's good, then it seems to me that scum is in a bad spot, and needs to find ways to discredit the plan (e.g. swowl). If it's bad, well, then it could be scum looking to suggest something that sounds useful, but doesn't actually help, i.e. could have equal chance to help / hinder based on if A,B,C are scum.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #162 on: August 31, 2020, 01:26:17 pm »

Well either of the other directions -- actually not being worried or being openly worried about the votes on him. That post just read as a calculated amount of worried. It's a day one gut read, not an ironclad case. I'm just explaining because EFHW asked.

This is so weak as to be suspicious. Voting for me was clearly as a joke due to last game. I don't really think anyone who's town would actually think my self vote for myself being anything but NAI. So if that's the only reason you're voting for me, yeah, that's a little scummy.

Still planning on finding time to think of suggested plan. Generally, need to decide if I like the idea. If it's good, then it seems to me that scum is in a bad spot, and needs to find ways to discredit the plan (e.g. swowl). If it's bad, well, then it could be scum looking to suggest something that sounds useful, but doesn't actually help, i.e. could have equal chance to help / hinder based on if A,B,C are scum.

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« Reply #163 on: August 31, 2020, 01:54:51 pm »

Probably town reading you the most, then MiX, maybe scum to joth and WFHW and swow?. but that's if I don't decide the plans are flawed.

Not sure why, but I wonder if a plan where instead of 1 cycle, we have 3 small cycles:
A targets B targets C targets A
D targets E targets F targets D
G targets H targets I targets G

(and whichever group gets the exile, simplifies to a 2 person cycle)

Possible not different at all, but my gut seems to think there might be something there.

Also, sad, no one commented on the Spies Like Us video - there's even 9 total "doctors", with two who are not actually doctors!
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« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2020, 01:56:19 pm »

I did think the video was very funny.
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« Reply #165 on: August 31, 2020, 02:00:02 pm »

Probably town reading you the most, then MiX, maybe scum to joth and WFHW and swow?. but that's if I don't decide the plans are flawed.

Not sure why, but I wonder if a plan where instead of 1 cycle, we have 3 small cycles:
A targets B targets C targets A
D targets E targets F targets D
G targets H targets I targets G

(and whichever group gets the exile, simplifies to a 2 person cycle)

Possible not different at all, but my gut seems to think there might be something there.

Also, sad, no one commented on the Spies Like Us video - there's even 9 total "doctors", with two who are not actually doctors!

2 people cycles are weird. We definitely don't want scum to pick each other, then we just vig a bunch of town. Otherwise, there's probably nothing wrong with 3 triangles.

I did think the video was very funny.

Can confirm, it was indeed funny.
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« Reply #166 on: August 31, 2020, 02:15:17 pm »

I enjoy analyzing night actions once we have info, but I don't enjoy this plan stuff. My default positioning is that any plan is bad because it's manipulatable by scum. At the same time, everyone just doctoring their town reads, or their scum reads, seems bad also. And not using our powers at all also seems bad. So I guess I'm down to try a plan.
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« Reply #167 on: August 31, 2020, 02:43:27 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.
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« Reply #168 on: August 31, 2020, 02:58:52 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?
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« Reply #169 on: August 31, 2020, 03:33:09 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about
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« Reply #170 on: August 31, 2020, 03:49:52 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about

What's the reason for not revealing the flaw?
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« Reply #171 on: August 31, 2020, 04:09:39 pm »

ok im feelin pretty good about swowl too.
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« Reply #172 on: August 31, 2020, 04:11:33 pm »

Probably town reading you the most, then MiX, maybe scum to joth and WFHW and swow?. but that's if I don't decide the plans are flawed.

can you talk a little more about how you scumread those 3 people? joth, EFHW, and especially swowl?

also about how your opinion on the trustworthiness of the plans will affect your reads on different players
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« Reply #173 on: August 31, 2020, 04:12:45 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about

What's the reason for not revealing the flaw?

well... you have looked at it.
Mix has looked at it.
Others have looked at it.

I see it. Not claiming to be better at the maths (because I 100% am not), but no one has brought it up. So, I don't think it is a reach to say that skum at least might miss it. Kinda doubtful I suppose, it isn't exactly "super secret" or anything. I just think that revealing tomorrow (after the plan) would be best. Even if they NK me, I have faith ya'll will get there without me telling you anyways.
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« Reply #174 on: August 31, 2020, 04:23:18 pm »

i would say that i think any flaw in the chain is balanced out by the benefit of: the only kills that carriers know to be safe are ones that they are assigned to in the chain. so either carriers risk outing one of their own, or risk having the kill blocked.
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« Reply #175 on: August 31, 2020, 04:55:07 pm »

To summarize, the chain should look like this:
A -> A's scumread -> A's townread (B) -> B's scumread -> B's townread (C) -> C's scumread -> C's townread (D) -> D's scumread -> A
Which is an 8 person chain, with whoever's left out replacing who's exiled.

So... we have a 2/9, or 22% chance, of picking skum to be the person that starts the chain. That would be like the one obvious horrible downside. IDK exactly why I guess, probably they pick their partner... but any which way, giving skum the choice is not good.

Weighing it against random though... I guess it is not horrible based on chance.

Any given doctor, has a 2/6 chance of being a killing doctor. That is 33%.
Any given doctor, has a 2/7 chance at targeting skum tonight. That is 28%.
So... and this is why I suck at math bc I have no clue if this is right or not... but that is a 9% chance if a doctor randomly chose a target, for them to TARGET skum.
Then you would have to factor in that person being doctored and things like that. So, let's just say random chance of a doctor being a killing doctor and randomly selecting a target, and that target is skum, and they actually kill them... is less than 9%.

Whereas, assuming we do not elect Skum to be the picker of course, it is still every doc has a 33% chance of being a doc, and every Doc Target has a 28% chance of being skum... so it is exactly 9% chance (opposed to less than 9% chance) if we follow the chain idea.

And then yeah, IDK what the chances in random are for "random good doctor preventing a town death is" because everything is so potentially open in random... but it is a small thing.

meh, even with the downside... I guess the plan still has it's merits.



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« Reply #176 on: August 31, 2020, 04:57:57 pm »

i would say that i think any flaw in the chain is balanced out by the benefit of: the only kills that carriers know to be safe are ones that they are assigned to in the chain. so either carriers risk outing one of their own, or risk having the kill blocked.

yeah but math out how much that re-assigned kill choice messes with our ability to deduce who is who?
I mean, in a game that started with less killing potential or something and we had more days after tomorrow to figure it out, sure. It all is gravy. But assuming we mislynch today, and there are three deaths tomorrow... if we factor in that any given dead player did not neccissarily have to be killed from the person behind them in the order.... that REALLY messes with the deductive logic.

you got it btw.
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« Reply #177 on: August 31, 2020, 05:05:33 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about

Your flaw is always in the setup regardless of chain. Except if everyone picks scum, then the chances of scum dying are INCREDIBLY low, because multiple people will pick them. Whereas the chances of town being protected plummet, so scum can NK whoever they want, basically.

I don't really see it as a flaw of my plan, but rather how the setup works in general.
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« Reply #178 on: August 31, 2020, 05:13:07 pm »

the other benefit i see to mix's specific ordering plan, is that even if we do mess up and pick a wolf to start the chain, the wolf has to declare the other wolf their top scumread in order to be adjacent.
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« Reply #179 on: August 31, 2020, 05:15:15 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about

Your flaw is always in the setup regardless of chain. Except if everyone picks scum, then the chances of scum dying are INCREDIBLY low, because multiple people will pick them. Whereas the chances of town being protected plummet, so scum can NK whoever they want, basically.

I don't really see it as a flaw of my plan, but rather how the setup works in general.

hey man in case it is not clear - I am really fenced about this, and I do not think you have a "bad plan". Especially vs random, which is the point I was trying to make previous to the quoted post. If the flaw is in the set up then fine, ok. But your plan was made off the set up, so anything that could happen, given your plan, even if it is the set up that generated the issue, is kinda at fault of the plan as well. If that makes sense.

To be suppppperrr clear - I am not a diehard for it, but I am in support of the plan vs random. That is how my post should of read.
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« Reply #180 on: August 31, 2020, 05:15:37 pm »

the other benefit i see to mix's specific ordering plan, is that even if we do mess up and pick a wolf to start the chain, the wolf has to declare the other wolf their top scumread in order to be adjacent.

that is a fair upside.
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« Reply #181 on: August 31, 2020, 05:22:49 pm »

The triangle has merit. However it has the same potential flaw the chain has. Only worse should it end up happening.

does the chain have any flaw that random targeting doesn't?

Yes. Or technically yes. But that thing is the thing i am talking about

Your flaw is always in the setup regardless of chain. Except if everyone picks scum, then the chances of scum dying are INCREDIBLY low, because multiple people will pick them. Whereas the chances of town being protected plummet, so scum can NK whoever they want, basically.

I don't really see it as a flaw of my plan, but rather how the setup works in general.

hey man in case it is not clear - I am really fenced about this, and I do not think you have a "bad plan". Especially vs random, which is the point I was trying to make previous to the quoted post. If the flaw is in the set up then fine, ok. But your plan was made off the set up, so anything that could happen, given your plan, even if it is the set up that generated the issue, is kinda at fault of the plan as well. If that makes sense.

To be suppppperrr clear - I am not a diehard for it, but I am in support of the plan vs random. That is how my post should of read.

I don't really understand. You see flaws to the plan, but you're fine with it? Maybe the flaws are just inherent and my plan is the best plan anyway. There's bound to be flaws in any plan anyway.

the other benefit i see to mix's specific ordering plan, is that even if we do mess up and pick a wolf to start the chain, the wolf has to declare the other wolf their top scumread in order to be adjacent.

that is a fair upside.

And one I pointed out earlier :P

I think. I meant to anyway.
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« Reply #182 on: August 31, 2020, 05:32:47 pm »

yes miX - that.... I think that your plan is equal in the sense that we find skum less, specifically tomorrow, and while there is the downside of potentially being put out tomorrow, so is there with random... but the clear upside is at least some structured deduction of who can do what. Which, if we get just a little lucky, should be enough.

I always just start looking at it from the worst possible case.
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« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2020, 05:37:08 pm »

yes miX - that.... I think that your plan is equal in the sense that we find skum less, specifically tomorrow, and while there is the downside of potentially being put out tomorrow, so is there with random... but the clear upside is at least some structured deduction of who can do what. Which, if we get just a little lucky, should be enough.

I always just start looking at it from the worst possible case.

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« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2020, 05:52:48 pm »

yes miX - that.... I think that your plan is equal in the sense that we find skum less, specifically tomorrow, and while there is the downside of potentially being put out tomorrow, so is there with random... but the clear upside is at least some structured deduction of who can do what. Which, if we get just a little lucky, should be enough.

I always just start looking at it from the worst possible case.

Less than what?

less than random. based on potential manipulation.
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« Reply #185 on: August 31, 2020, 05:57:16 pm »

yes miX - that.... I think that your plan is equal in the sense that we find skum less, specifically tomorrow, and while there is the downside of potentially being put out tomorrow, so is there with random... but the clear upside is at least some structured deduction of who can do what. Which, if we get just a little lucky, should be enough.

I always just start looking at it from the worst possible case.

Less than what?

less than random. based on potential manipulation.

Random what? Independent targeting, or a random chain?
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« Reply #186 on: August 31, 2020, 07:42:56 pm »

yes miX - that.... I think that your plan is equal in the sense that we find skum less, specifically tomorrow, and while there is the downside of potentially being put out tomorrow, so is there with random... but the clear upside is at least some structured deduction of who can do what. Which, if we get just a little lucky, should be enough.

I always just start looking at it from the worst possible case.

Less than what?

less than random. based on potential manipulation.

Random what? Independent targeting, or a random chain?

sorry - random actions. like random in this sense equals "no plan at all"
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« Reply #187 on: August 31, 2020, 10:11:58 pm »

Where did Straw go?
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« Reply #188 on: August 31, 2020, 11:09:33 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

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« Reply #189 on: August 31, 2020, 11:19:34 pm »

Where did Straw go?
I liked Straw. I wanna know what Straw thinks about shit.

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« Reply #190 on: August 31, 2020, 11:48:00 pm »

Ok, I think I'm caught up. Definitely think we should coordinate rather than pure random.  One thing I thought, what if instead of the two triangles and a pair, we don't exile today so that we have 3 triangle chains, and base it on sign up order instead of giving scum the chance to organize themselves into the same group or whatever? There would obviously still be a chance they would be, but it's at least purely random at that point instead of being somewhat more likely than random if we let them influence it.

I'm not thinking MiX is scum so far. Could be an over correction on my part, but I think his logic has been at least pro-town so far, so I'm ok with the operating assumption that he's town for now. I have a gut town read on both swowl and cayvie, but looking at that list I'm thinking I might just be townreading high recent activity.
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« Reply #191 on: August 31, 2020, 11:48:54 pm »

I said before, I missed his entry post. Or are you joking because of my question to you?

Hmm...I guess this makes sense.

I had a whole MiX-Awaclus partner speculation  going. Or maybe MiX-joth.

Which was it then?

Dylan can you come back, I miss you.

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all good hopefully?

Yeah, recovering well.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #192 on: August 31, 2020, 11:58:54 pm »

Ok, I think I'm caught up. Definitely think we should coordinate rather than pure random.  One thing I thought, what if instead of the two triangles and a pair, we don't exile today so that we have 3 triangle chains, and base it on sign up order instead of giving scum the chance to organize themselves into the same group or whatever? There would obviously still be a chance they would be, but it's at least purely random at that point instead of being somewhat more likely than random if we let them influence it.

I'm not thinking MiX is scum so far. Could be an over correction on my part, but I think his logic has been at least pro-town so far, so I'm ok with the operating assumption that he's town for now. I have a gut town read on both swowl and cayvie, but looking at that list I'm thinking I might just be townreading high recent activity.

You know what. I am gonna think about the triangle thing again. There are only 2 killing docs. Does that put skum in a shitty spot?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #193 on: September 01, 2020, 12:00:31 am »

meh no.
The link the chain creates for roles like the JK makes it def better I think.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #194 on: September 01, 2020, 12:04:17 am »

I do like using the sign up order more than the mix chain idea though.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #195 on: September 01, 2020, 12:05:33 am »

or not the chain idea, but the selection process. I like the chain idea.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #196 on: September 01, 2020, 12:40:57 am »

or not the chain idea, but the selection process. I like the chain idea.

Wait, so you think just do a chain in signup order?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #197 on: September 01, 2020, 01:13:01 am »

I just had nearly a full post typed that was going to argue that a triangle with a JK is as good as a chain, but I think I would have been wrong. The chain is likely better concerning the JKís effectiveness and possible gained info about that particular role I think.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #198 on: September 01, 2020, 07:47:27 am »

I hate signup order so much. But that's a personal thing, other than scum knowing N0 what it is there's nothing wrong with it. I just hate how it can create signup metas.

Given how little posting there's been, I guess my plan doesn't really work and would just get in the way of EoD, so, sure, signup it is.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #199 on: September 01, 2020, 08:22:57 am »

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For the whole chain picking, I'd be against doing it randomly or in signup order. This is partially for moral reasons (I'd rather not have so much of the game be decided by chance) and partially because I think that chain picking will give us plenty of info on people, which we are desperately in need of. Other than that, I'm not sure which plan is best.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #200 on: September 01, 2020, 08:43:31 am »

I hate signup order so much. But that's a personal thing, other than scum knowing N0 what it is there's nothing wrong with it. I just hate how it can create signup metas.

Given how little posting there's been, I guess my plan doesn't really work and would just get in the way of EoD, so, sure, signup it is.

Well then, why not alphabetical order? Or chronological by forum join date? Or birthday order? There's lots of "random" orders that aren't sign-up order specifically.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #201 on: September 01, 2020, 08:45:40 am »

I hate signup order so much. But that's a personal thing, other than scum knowing N0 what it is there's nothing wrong with it. I just hate how it can create signup metas.

Given how little posting there's been, I guess my plan doesn't really work and would just get in the way of EoD, so, sure, signup it is.

Well then, why not alphabetical order? Or chronological by forum join date? Or birthday order? There's lots of "random" orders that aren't sign-up order specifically.

That's just choosing orders at that point, right? It has the same problems.
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« Reply #202 on: September 01, 2020, 09:04:22 am »

Birthday order is interesting because presumably we don't all know each others' birthdays (though Didds might). But there could be an order based on non-public but hard-to-falsify information that we can choose without knowing what we're choosing, which would approximate randomness.

Of course, people could lie about it. It gets into a weird territory.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #203 on: September 01, 2020, 09:06:17 am »

Birthday order is interesting because presumably we don't all know each others' birthdays (though Didds might). But there could be an order based on non-public but hard-to-falsify information that we can choose without knowing what we're choosing, which would approximate randomness.

Of course, people could lie about it. It gets into a weird territory.

After we do it, it stops being non-public. It's too meta for my taste, but it's possible, sure.

I'd rather do signup order than this anyway-
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #204 on: September 01, 2020, 11:16:07 am »

The problem with these arbitrary orders (like sign up, alpha) are that scum now them and may be the ones suggesting them). Birthdays in interesting, but sure people could lie.

Also, if we use one of them, how are they better than completely random? Though is there a way for the randomizing person to prove they chose a random order.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #205 on: September 01, 2020, 12:07:23 pm »

Well then, why not alphabetical order? Or chronological by forum join date? Or birthday order? There's lots of "random" orders that aren't sign-up order specifically.

The problem is that signup order is sort of the accepted standard arbitrary order. If we start debating what order to use, it's no longer arbitrary and that defeats the purpose of using an arbitrary order.

Another problem with the birthday order in particular is that it's personal information that some people might not want to reveal.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #206 on: September 01, 2020, 12:08:30 pm »

Also, if we use one of them, how are they better than completely random? Though is there a way for the randomizing person to prove they chose a random order.

There isn't a way, and that's how signup order is better.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #209 on: September 01, 2020, 01:12:31 pm »

With the chain idea, no matter how the order is determined, we are practically guaranteeing at least 2 deaths and seriously risking 3. It's 3 if the weak doctor is unlucky or if the nk doesn't hit one of the other victims, and they are more likely not to hit someone already dying than they are to double up a death. 4 if everything goes wrong. 1 death if the weak doctor is lucky and the nk hits the CPR doctor's target.

That's probably the cost of doing business, but how does this help us catch scum? If a vig hits scum, then yeah. But otherwise, we won't know anything very helpful.

Here is my pairs idea. I don't know if it is better, but we might want to think about it.

2 ways to die: nk, quack // 2 protectors: Real, jk. // 2 Switch hitters: CPR, weak. // 4 neutral: naive, nurse, 2 scum. If nurse decided to claim, they would be removed from plan.
 
Players A - I. A, C, E, G and I are targeted. Assuming all town deaths for this exercise.

A and B Target C.  C Dies, flips town.
C and D target E. E lives
E and F Target G.  F Dies, flips town
G and H Target I.  I Dies, flips town   
I Targets A. A lives

We can infer a few things.
1. {A, B, G, H} contains at most one protector. If there is a protector, they were jk'd or nk hit their target as well.
2. None of them are the jk.
3. {A, B, G, H} contains the CPR doctor (If CPR was used when needed, then there would only be 2 deaths). They were paired with a neutral person (naive, nurse or scum).
4. F died without being targeted. They are weak or the nk target. G might be scum.
5. I is not the quack. A, B, D and H were not the nk target.

That's all I've got now. Maybe I'll think of more later.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #210 on: September 01, 2020, 01:35:10 pm »

Doesn't that pair idea basically guarantee scum NKs someone that isn't being targeted? With the chain, they can only realistically pick who they're picking as well, since we're all doctors.
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« Reply #211 on: September 01, 2020, 01:36:12 pm »

Hmm... I've found a possible problem with all these plans but I don't know if I should say it because it might give scum ideas.
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« Reply #212 on: September 01, 2020, 01:50:38 pm »

i prefer
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mix's chain > signup order > any other chain >>>>> triangles > pairs > no plan
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #213 on: September 01, 2020, 02:10:45 pm »

Doesn't that pair idea basically guarantee scum NKs someone that isn't being targeted? With the chain, they can only realistically pick who they're picking as well, since we're all doctors.

I was thinking they might choose not to in order to sow confusion. For example, if a non-targeted weak doctor dies and a non-targeted nk dies, scum are narrowed down to being one of the two people targeted by those two people. But I guess they could decide to take that chance and prioritize the kill going through.
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« Reply #214 on: September 01, 2020, 02:21:25 pm »

Hmm... I've found a possible problem with all these plans but I don't know if I should say it because it might give scum ideas.

If there's a problem, we should assume scum has already figured it out too.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #215 on: September 01, 2020, 02:37:36 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #216 on: September 01, 2020, 02:42:12 pm »

Also, if we use one of them, how are they better than completely random? Though is there a way for the randomizing person to prove they chose a random order.

There isn't a way, and that's how signup order is better.


Re: order, I think if we do arbitrary we should aim for as random as we can get.Here's an overcomplicated idea for that:

ē Agree on 3 people* who can post at around same time
ē Agree on a forum time
ēhave all three post a number from 1-8 at agreed time, which we can confirm get posted within seconds of each other.
ē use those numbers to parse through list (one example, calculate sum, then count that many characters over to the right and order alphabetically by that character)

*could be two, but three would guarantee a non scum, if for some reason important)

Like I said, overcomplicated, but it would be doable.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #217 on: September 01, 2020, 02:48:28 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

If scum dies, that's already better than the average. Besides, only 1 vig will die, and there's 2. so scum can't actually take away the threat like this. This isn't really a problem.

There's a bunch of ways scum can target, let them figure it out. There's no correct way if we follow my plan.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #218 on: September 01, 2020, 02:55:41 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

That's true, but it's not super unlikely the vig is being protected, there could be two people targeting different scums, and nightkilling the townie who targets you doesn't make you look particularly towny (scum could plausibly do that and get away with it since there are multiple NKs, but it comes at a price).
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #219 on: September 01, 2020, 02:58:12 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

That's true, but it's not super unlikely the vig is being protected, there could be two people targeting different scums, and nightkilling the townie who targets you doesn't make you look particularly towny (scum could plausibly do that and get away with it since there are multiple NKs, but it comes at a price).

Not to mention that in a chain the vig is always being protected, unless scum's also behind them, in which case it's just "scum picks who's ahead".
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« Reply #220 on: September 01, 2020, 03:04:06 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

That's true, but it's not super unlikely the vig is being protected, there could be two people targeting different scums, and nightkilling the townie who targets you doesn't make you look particularly towny (scum could plausibly do that and get away with it since there are multiple NKs, but it comes at a price).

Not to mention that in a chain the vig is always being protected, unless scum's also behind them, in which case it's just "scum picks who's ahead".

No? There are only 4 Doctors that actually protect. The chances are pretty good but not close to guaranteed, unless I'm misreading something.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #221 on: September 01, 2020, 03:06:10 pm »

Re: order, I think if we do arbitrary we should aim for as random as we can get.Here's an overcomplicated idea for that:

ē Agree on 3 people* who can post at around same time
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ē use those numbers to parse through list (one example, calculate sum, then count that many characters over to the right and order alphabetically by that character)

*could be two, but three would guarantee a non scum, if for some reason important)

Like I said, overcomplicated, but it would be doable.

If we're going with a plan that involves an arbitrary order, and you don't support signup order, I'm going to assume it's because you're scum trying to manipulate it because the signup order is inconvenient for you for some reason.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2020, 03:08:02 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

That's true, but it's not super unlikely the vig is being protected, there could be two people targeting different scums, and nightkilling the townie who targets you doesn't make you look particularly towny (scum could plausibly do that and get away with it since there are multiple NKs, but it comes at a price).

Not to mention that in a chain the vig is always being protected, unless scum's also behind them, in which case it's just "scum picks who's ahead".

No? There are only 4 Doctors that actually protect. The chances are pretty good but not close to guaranteed, unless I'm misreading something.

Yeah, but out of the other 2, 1 of them is a vig, so the NK doesn't actually change anything, and one of the doctors (CPR) would actually kill their target if the NK didn't also target their target. So scum killing town that is protected doesn't actually change the chances of that person dying.
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« Reply #223 on: September 01, 2020, 03:31:42 pm »

Re: order, I think if we do arbitrary we should aim for as random as we can get.Here's an overcomplicated idea for that:

ē Agree on 3 people* who can post at around same time
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*could be two, but three would guarantee a non scum, if for some reason important)

Like I said, overcomplicated, but it would be doable.

If we're going with a plan that involves an arbitrary order, and you don't support signup order, I'm going to assume it's because you're scum trying to manipulate it because the signup order is inconvenient for you for some reason.

Really? I'm just trying to avoid, scum suggesting sign up order because they thought it would be to their advantage. Why would I suggest something complicated and impossible to game as scum?
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« Reply #224 on: September 01, 2020, 03:45:37 pm »

Well it's just ... One thing scum can do vis a vis any publicly announced plan is they could target the person assigned to target them. Barring successful doctoring or jailkeeping, that ensures that if a vig successfully targets scum, they'll also die. And however many scum we manage to kill in the night, we'll lose that many vigs. Does that make sense?

That's true, but it's not super unlikely the vig is being protected, there could be two people targeting different scums, and nightkilling the townie who targets you doesn't make you look particularly towny (scum could plausibly do that and get away with it since there are multiple NKs, but it comes at a price).

Not to mention that in a chain the vig is always being protected, unless scum's also behind them, in which case it's just "scum picks who's ahead".

No? There are only 4 Doctors that actually protect. The chances are pretty good but not close to guaranteed, unless I'm misreading something.

Yeah, but out of the other 2, 1 of them is a vig, so the NK doesn't actually change anything, and one of the doctors (CPR) would actually kill their target if the NK didn't also target their target. So scum killing town that is protected doesn't actually change the chances of that person dying.

if we test scum d1, or no test, there's a nurse out there too
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« Reply #225 on: September 01, 2020, 04:09:36 pm »

We all dice roll public and go low to high
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« Reply #226 on: September 01, 2020, 04:10:54 pm »

We all dice roll public and go low to high

Proposal for order to be clear
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« Reply #227 on: September 01, 2020, 04:48:40 pm »

We all dice roll public and go low to high

Proposal for order to be clear

Is there a way to dice roll publicly? That is what I was getting at with my questions and came up with my overcomplicated way. If the above is possible, of course, that'd be an easier way.

Oh, now I see a die in the above "markup". Is that how?

Let me try it!

'' is not a valid dice string!

'test' is not a valid dice string!

'100' is not a valid dice string!
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« Reply #228 on: September 01, 2020, 04:49:03 pm »

Oh, ok none of those worked. How does it work?
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« Reply #229 on: September 01, 2020, 04:51:20 pm »

Oh, ok none of those worked. How does it work?

You have to write it in dice notation. 1d6, for example.

Isn't actual randomness frowned upon?
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« Reply #230 on: September 01, 2020, 05:00:14 pm »

Oh, ok none of those worked. How does it work?

You have to write it in dice notation. 1d6, for example.

Isn't actual randomness frowned upon?

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« Reply #231 on: September 01, 2020, 05:01:07 pm »

You can preview those, you know. At least I can.
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« Reply #232 on: September 01, 2020, 05:01:22 pm »

Oh, ok none of those worked. How does it work?

You have to write it in dice notation. 1d6, for example.

Isn't actual randomness frowned upon?

OK, cool, thanks!

I prefer random to sign up order. Not sure if I prefer random to your plan.

(I do think I might prefer 3 groups of 3 and no exile to a chain)
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« Reply #233 on: September 01, 2020, 05:02:08 pm »

Oh, ok none of those worked. How does it work?

You have to write it in dice notation. 1d6, for example.

Isn't actual randomness frowned upon?

This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d6 : 5, total 5
This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d100 : 10, total 10

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OK, cool, thanks!

I prefer random to sign up order. Not sure if I prefer random to your plan.

(I do think I might prefer 3 groups of 3 and no exile to a chain)
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« Reply #234 on: September 01, 2020, 05:02:54 pm »

You can preview those, you know. At least I can.

Saw that. I do like that the preview rolls are not the actual rolls (since that would mean you could roll until you were happy with results).
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« Reply #235 on: September 01, 2020, 05:48:20 pm »

Let's do the dice. How will we handle ties?
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« Reply #236 on: September 01, 2020, 05:52:54 pm »

Let's do the dice. How will we handle ties?

Roll 1d9, then 1d8, then 1d7, etc. (and bump people from the list once their number is rolled.
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« Reply #237 on: September 01, 2020, 06:31:38 pm »

I did not realize/remember/think about the fact that someone could preview then re-roll. I would like to say as skum in a spot like this I would follow the honor code, but I am not sure all will. So probably not the best plan.
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« Reply #238 on: September 01, 2020, 06:49:52 pm »

I did not realize/remember/think about the fact that someone could preview then re-roll. I would like to say as skum in a spot like this I would follow the honor code, but I am not sure all will. So probably not the best plan.

But you can't - the value during the preview is different than the value during post.

e.g.

Rolled 1d100 : 49, total 49


I will now click preview. (preview shows 89)
I will now hit post. (it will be different than 89, well 99 times out of 100)
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« Reply #239 on: September 01, 2020, 06:56:32 pm »

Love you pasta - you could preview it, hit the back button on the browser and re do it
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« Reply #240 on: September 01, 2020, 07:07:06 pm »

Love you pasta - you could preview it, hit the back button on the browser and re do it

Love you pasta - you could preview it, hit the back button on the browser and re do it

If you're saying you can see the result that will be there when you hit "post" (at which point, back button doesn't stop the post from happening), I believe you're mistaken. Try it. Make a post in which you type in the same post as you do the die roll the number that will appear (use 1000 which seems to be the largest to remove luck)

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« Reply #241 on: September 01, 2020, 07:34:13 pm »

test

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« Reply #242 on: September 01, 2020, 07:34:34 pm »

ohp! nvm you are correct. Cannot tamper with it.
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« Reply #243 on: September 01, 2020, 07:35:56 pm »

old school peeps - you see a flaw in this we are missing? Tampering-wise I mean.

If we cannot tamper with it I think Dice roll is for sure the way to go.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #244 on: September 01, 2020, 07:38:59 pm »

I am not discrediting the value in potentially gaining information based on players having to commit to reads.

But they are day 1 reads. Those wash off ALL THE TIME. So like, in a world where we try to use the top skum/top town selection process to have skum commit to a read... I mean... day 2 they just say "well x and y happened and changed my mind". That happens... all the time. That is why I think it is more advantageous to skum.

Well that and I cannot think of a singular more valuable thing for skum given we follow the plan other than "knowing everyone's top town and skum reads"... other than I guess having a complete skum to chum list from everyone.
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« Reply #245 on: September 01, 2020, 08:16:01 pm »

Still really disagree with doing it randomly.

Swowl, I think that even if they can claim that, it still gives valuable information. Potentially bad information that we can analyze and discuss is better than nothing. Also, why do you think that sharing reads helps mafia? I think quite the opposite, as sharing reads allows villagers to discuss shared reads and different reads, and forces mafia to make up reads. In fact, I'd encourage everyone to share any reads they have.
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« Reply #246 on: September 01, 2020, 10:16:19 pm »

Still really disagree with doing it randomly.

Swowl, I think that even if they can claim that, it still gives valuable information. Potentially bad information that we can analyze and discuss is better than nothing. Also, why do you think that sharing reads helps mafia? I think quite the opposite, as sharing reads allows villagers to discuss shared reads and different reads, and forces mafia to make up reads. In fact, I'd encourage everyone to share any reads they have.

Am I correct that you disagree because information gained by scumhunting is not reflected? Did you think MiX's plan did that effectively?

It seems like different people on f.ds take different approaches to sharing reads. I haven't figured out what I think is best, but I see your point.

My admittedly impressionistic scum to chum is Swowl > Awaclus > MiX > Dylan > jotheonah > scola > Straw > cayvie

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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #247 on: September 02, 2020, 01:50:02 am »

Still really disagree with doing it randomly.

Swowl, I think that even if they can claim that, it still gives valuable information. Potentially bad information that we can analyze and discuss is better than nothing. Also, why do you think that sharing reads helps mafia? I think quite the opposite, as sharing reads allows villagers to discuss shared reads and different reads, and forces mafia to make up reads. In fact, I'd encourage everyone to share any reads they have.

all reads are made up reads at this point. its day 1, the same 4 people have been talking about the same two topics the entire time. Skum does't need to make up reads, they can just parrot someone or like do what EFHW just did and put a ton of people that are actually talking at the top of the list.

We do not trap mafia into a weird spot by sharing today. Tomorrow... ok maybe? but then the info is based off of the nonsense data today (which as I said before anyone can say they changed their mind about, so it doesn't matter)... and then if this day makes it day 4 that would be just bonkers.

Your concept is solid. No doubt. But it is solid for a long haul game in which we wanna look back and deduce. This is a 3 day game that will be primarily driven by the deductive logic created by whatever chain, triangle, or octagon or what the eff ever we decide to go with.
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Re: M131: Quarantine Mafia (D1)
« Reply #248 on: September 02, 2020, 02:01:39 am »

Let me put it simpler. and shorter, sorry.

1. I do not think that there is enough time in this game allotted for the Day 1 reads of potential players to have a significant enough effect, weighed against the results that we get to analyze from night actions, for them to matter. Almost at all.

2. If we do it random, as obvious as this might seem, it is random. So there is no "what if they are skum and chose player x bc whatever reason". I think removing that potential WIFOM component is quite valuable given the task at hand.


But most importantly, it is a small margin imo and we have talked about this so much to this point that the horse is gonna come back to life and start beating us.

We need to make a decision so we don't find ourselves down the line in a rush.

I would prefer the random order, but if everyone wants reads I won't be the only one to fight it.
I would also prefer the Chain over Triangles, but again, small margin.

Everyone should chip in on that bit at the minimum so we can see where we lay.
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« Reply #249 on: September 02, 2020, 07:17:16 am »

If we can use dice, we should. There's too much setup discussion as is for D1 reads to function like normal.

I would blame all of you if I didn't heavily participate in setup talk too, so I'm going to be slightly more mature and blame the setup for trying to look like dethy.
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« Reply #250 on: September 02, 2020, 07:21:11 am »

Well, I read the rules, nothing says we can't use dice, so...

1. MiX
2. cayvie
3. Awaclus
4. scolapasta
5. Swowl
6. EFHW
7. Dylan32
8. jotheonah
9. Straw

1d9 says who's first on the chain, that person then targets the 1d8 (skipping over the 1d9 number), which then targets 1d7, etc.

Rolled 1d9 : 2, total 2


Rolled 1d8 : 1, total 1


Rolled 1d7 : 6, total 6


Rolled 1d6 : 1, total 1


Rolled 1d5 : 5, total 5


Rolled 1d4 : 4, total 4


Rolled 1d3 : 2, total 2


Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
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« Reply #251 on: September 02, 2020, 07:22:41 am »

cayvie -> MiX -> joth -> Awaclus -> Straw -> Dylan -> Swowl -> EFHW -> scola -> cayvie

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« Reply #252 on: September 02, 2020, 10:32:10 am »

Cool. so now are we exiling or nah?
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« Reply #253 on: September 02, 2020, 01:12:14 pm »

huh, okay. i think im dying with this ordering XD
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« Reply #254 on: September 02, 2020, 01:48:12 pm »

Cool. so now are we exiling or nah?

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« Reply #255 on: September 02, 2020, 01:48:25 pm »

huh, okay. i think im dying with this ordering XD

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« Reply #256 on: September 02, 2020, 01:56:52 pm »

Vote: No Exile
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« Reply #257 on: September 02, 2020, 02:06:35 pm »

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« Reply #258 on: September 02, 2020, 02:20:28 pm »

Vote Count 1.3

scolapasta (1): cayvie
Dylan23 (1): MiX
Straw (1): Swowl
EFHW (1): Awaclus

No Test (2): jotheonah, Dylan32

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« Reply #259 on: September 02, 2020, 02:24:56 pm »

This is mail-mi's way of saying "the flavor for this game is Test!"

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« Reply #260 on: September 02, 2020, 02:45:23 pm »

vote: no test
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