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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #675 on: July 29, 2020, 12:15:43 pm »

If I go to chairs, and prsumably joth would go to chairs, we steal need... 2 more?
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #676 on: July 29, 2020, 12:16:16 pm »

I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

I do. Consider what could have happened when the Chairs exile didn't go through. People were moving their votes, re-evaluating, etc. From scum!Joth's position, MiX not hammering is an easy sell argument that lets Joth try to prevent the "next up" wagon from landing on him or a scum partner.

Now, in fairness to Joth, his town!self would also push MiX extra hard here, and would see MiX's not hammering and the whole kerfuffle as confirmation bias.

I guess to more clearly answer your question, I think that Joth, as either alignment, does exactly what he did when Chair's exile didn't happen. In considering if he's scum, I don't think he would've done things any differently than he did.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #677 on: July 29, 2020, 12:16:30 pm »

Vote: joth

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #678 on: July 29, 2020, 12:16:53 pm »

Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #679 on: July 29, 2020, 12:17:04 pm »

Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

"Clearly" is not the same as "absolutely certain". I am talking about my sense of things. But overall, yeah, I disagree.  Resigning ourselves to losing a town person seems far scummier than trying to find scum. 
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #680 on: July 29, 2020, 12:18:08 pm »

Vote: Chairs
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #681 on: July 29, 2020, 12:18:33 pm »

I could still go back to chairs. But not sure that happens in 20 minutes.

Didds, why do you think MiX is town?

I think if he is scum, he'd be playing much more defensively. He might have hemmed and hawed, but I don't think he wouldn't have avoided a hammer.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #682 on: July 29, 2020, 12:19:10 pm »

I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

Wait, Space, what are you doing? You prefer MiX to joth but you're voting for chairs? We could have enough for MiX if you switched there.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #683 on: July 29, 2020, 12:21:30 pm »

Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

This post is scummy. I agree with Didds. And while in a world of technicalities you are correct, the fact is town players can have very clear town reads on other players. There is nothing wrong with a player expressing a hard town read on somebody that is on the chopping block. Further, why would scum bother? To get credit for calling a town flip? When has a town (as a whole) gone "wow, that was super townie of them to be so against that town exile!"?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #684 on: July 29, 2020, 12:21:38 pm »

I can go back to mix

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #685 on: July 29, 2020, 12:21:48 pm »

I think this is right?

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah, 
chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WCD, Robz888
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #686 on: July 29, 2020, 12:22:29 pm »

I would even self hammer if it were absolutely necessary for a flip but I would reeeeaaalllly like to not

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #687 on: July 29, 2020, 12:23:03 pm »

I do. Consider what could have happened when the Chairs exile didn't go through. People were moving their votes, re-evaluating, etc. From scum!Joth's position, MiX not hammering is an easy sell argument that lets Joth try to prevent the "next up" wagon from landing on him or a scum partner.

Okay, so maybe there's an argument for him not being super-townie. My other thinking here is that if MiX is telling the truth, then the scumslip argument from MiX on Joth is still out there. And I'm not sure what to make of a scum!MiX claiming VT instead of a PR.

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #688 on: July 29, 2020, 12:23:49 pm »

Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?

I would move Chairs to avoid a no-exile. I think he's more likely to be scum than MiX is. Joth is still the best choice.

As end of day is approaching, I'll throw this out there:

I think that both you, Robz, and Joth are scum. I read both Chairs and MiX as being mis-exiles waiting to happen.

However, yes, I would still exile Chairs over No-Exile.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #689 on: July 29, 2020, 12:24:25 pm »

Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

This post is scummy. I agree with Didds. And while in a world of technicalities you are correct, the fact is town players can have very clear town reads on other players. There is nothing wrong with a player expressing a hard town read on somebody that is on the chopping block. Further, why would scum bother? To get credit for calling a town flip? When has a town (as a whole) gone "wow, that was super townie of them to be so against that town exile!"?

I think it's in scum's nature to make post's like this, expecting credit because that's what makes sense to them.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #690 on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:12 pm »

Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #691 on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:22 pm »

I think this is right?

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah, 
chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WCD, Robz888

Yes, that's what I just got, too.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #692 on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:34 pm »

Space, Didds, if you two can agree on joth or mix we can have a flip here of your choice. Even if Galz and I both move to me that's only six

PPE robz is here so I guess there's more coalition flexibility but he's on me so still have the this only makes six problem

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #693 on: July 29, 2020, 12:25:59 pm »

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #694 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:02 pm »

Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?

I would move Chairs to avoid a no-exile. I think he's more likely to be scum than MiX is. Joth is still the best choice.

As end of day is approaching, I'll throw this out there:

I think that both you, Robz, and Joth are scum. I read both Chairs and MiX as being mis-exiles waiting to happen.

However, yes, I would still exile Chairs over No-Exile.

I don't believe you could actually think, actually have the confidence to believe, me and joth are scum together and you got us already.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #695 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:10 pm »

Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?

There are enough people online to make any of the exiles go through... but where the votes will land in the next 5 minutes... that's an entirely different question!
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #696 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:16 pm »

Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?

At this point it's getting a bit tight, but we seem to have run up Chairs and MiX already.

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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #697 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:52 pm »

Space, I will vote for Chairs or Joth.
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #698 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:59 pm »

Blah we are out of time
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Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #699 on: July 29, 2020, 12:27:17 pm »

Vote: Joth
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