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Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« on: June 27, 2020, 12:03:06 pm »
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Welcome back to Can you win this turn puzzle 5, Prosperity, where everything is bigger, including the wait time between puzzles!

You and your opponent have been playing a game using cards from Prosperity. You are up on VP tokens, but you think you are behind on actual points. There are at least 2 ways to win this turn. Can you find a solution? (Bonus points to you if you find both solutions I found. Extra bonus points if there is another I didn't see but you find it!)



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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2020, 02:38:04 pm »
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1. Discard {Vault, Goons} for +2$
2. Play Forge on Counterfeit + Bishop (gain platinum)
3. Play WV (Hand right now is KC, Mint, Watchtower, Platinum)
4. Play KC-Mint on Platinum (Hand: Watchtower, Platinum)
5. Play watchtower, draw 3*Platinum+Vault+Goons
6. Play Goons for +2$
(End Action Phase)
7. Play quadruple platinum for +20$.

Total: 6 buys (4 WV and 1 Goons) and 24$

Buy Colony, Colony, Estate, Copper, Copper, Copper for 27 points

Your total score is 79. Your opponent's total score is 40 (Colonies) + 24 (Provinces) + 12 (VP tokens) = 76.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2020, 02:39:58 pm by silverspawn »
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 04:47:58 pm »
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Silverspawn:

It doesn't say in your answer how you guarantee being able to draw the platinum (I am assuming you are using Watchtower to top deck it?) If so, this is a correct answer! But, not the most VPs you could get.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2020, 12:13:39 pm »
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I thought you had 5 cards in the discard pile at that point and only 1 Plat in hand after playing watchtower, and therefore draw your entire deck.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2020, 12:25:24 pm »
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Just to make sure: do you know that playing Goons several times doesn't give you more than 1 VP per bought card?
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2020, 10:42:23 pm »
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1. Discard nothing
2. Play Forge on Counterfeit + Bishop (gain platinum)
3. Play WV
4. Play KC-Mint on Platinum
5. Play Vault to discard Goons, 3 Platinums
6. Play Watchtower
7. Play Goons for +2$
(End Action Phase)
8. Play 4 Platinums for +20$.

Total: 6 buys (4 WV and 1 Goons) and 24$

Buy 2 Colonies, 2 Estates, 2 Coppers

Your total score is 80.

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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 02:28:43 am »
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Silverspawn Yes, I am aware that a Goons played thrice with King's Court will still only give 1 VP per buy.

When played, the Watchtower will draw the cards you wanted in your solution. I was wondering how you guarantee to draw the first gained Platinum via Mint (when you play Worker's Village). The way you wrote your answer, the Worker's Village could draw Platinum, Vault, or Goons.


majiponi Yes, that is the improved version of Silverspawn's solution where you can get one extra VP. You can also change the order of when to discard, but it yields the same result (e.g. you could discard Goons, and use Watchtower to gain the Platinum on top of the deck to draw via Worker's Village and discard 3 cards to the second Vault).  This is also the most points I was able to find. There is, however, still another solution with a very different strategy.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 05:56:03 am »
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Ah yes, you're right. Sorry I doubted you!

I think I found the other solution.

Note that you have 9 cards in hand.

1. Discard all but {KC, Vault, Watchtower} (+6$)
2. Play KC -> Vault. (7 cards left.) Discard nothing, nothing, all but watchtower (+6$)
3. Play Watchtower. (6 cards left.) Draw those six cards.
4. Play Forge on {Goons [?! :(], Mint}, gain Colony.
5. Play Bishop on WV (+1$, +3VP)
-- end action phase --
6. Play Counterfeit for +3$ (Total: 16$, 5 buys)

Case A: Opponent bans Colony. Buy Province, Province. (Game ends because Provinces are out.) We have gained a total of 25VP, so our total score is 77; opponent's is still 76.

Case B: Opponent bans sth. else. Buy Colony and either Duchy or triple Estate (whichever is not banned). Now you have one more VP as above and game still ends because Colonies are out.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 03:35:38 pm »
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Ah yes, you're right. Sorry I doubted you!

I think I found the other solution.

Note that you have 9 cards in hand.

1. Discard all but {KC, Vault, Watchtower} (+6$)
2. Play KC -> Vault. (7 cards left.) Discard nothing, nothing, all but watchtower (+6$)
3. Play Watchtower. (6 cards left.) Draw those six cards.
4. Play Forge on {Goons [?! :(], Mint}, gain Colony.
5. Play Bishop on WV (+1$, +3VP)
-- end action phase --
6. Play Counterfeit for +3$ (Total: 16$, 5 buys)

Case A: Opponent bans Colony. Buy Province, Province. (Game ends because Provinces are out.) We have gained a total of 25VP, so our total score is 77; opponent's is still 76.

Case B: Opponent bans sth. else. Buy Colony and either Duchy or triple Estate (whichever is not banned). Now you have one more VP as above and game still ends because Colonies are out.


I was thinking along those lines, but I was stumped by Counterfeit.
Also, how do you have enough money for Colony + triple Estate? Aren't you $1 short for that? Maybe just use Case A if opponent bans Duchy.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2020, 03:37:52 am »
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you're right. But double estate is enough (colony estate estate is as many points as double provinve
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2020, 06:15:33 am »
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Congrats Silverspawn, you did find another good solution, and it wasn't the other solution I found! That means there is still at least one more possible solution out there. It definitely seems wrong to forge a goons, I liked the frowny face. And good catch by hhelibebcnofnena that case B buying triple estate doesn't work, but that you can still do case A if Dutchy is banned.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 06:51:48 am »
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Wow, I thought for sure that had to be the intended solution since it won by 1 VP.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2020, 05:37:50 am »
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Another solution that also reaches 77 (edited) 78:

1. Discard any three non-vault non-WV cards (+3$) [9 cards left]
2. Play WV, draw one of the three (+1 buy) [8 cards left]
3. Play Vault, draw remaining two, discard everything except Watchtower (+6$) [7 cards left]
4. Play Watchtower draw all cards [6 cards left]
5. Play KC-Goons (+6$, +3buys) [4 cards left]
6. Play Bishop on Counterfeit (+1$, +3VP) [2 cards left]
7. Play Forge on Mint, gain Duchy (+3VP)

-- End Action phase. You have 16$ and 8 buys.--

 Buy 2*Province, 6*Copper (+20VP)

Game ends because Provinces are out. TOTAL: 52+26=78 VP
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 12:01:23 pm by silverspawn »
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2020, 10:13:42 am »
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Silverspawn, I am impressed with your tenacity towards this puzzle! This is yet again a different solution than I found. So there is still (at least) one more solution out there. I'll only post it if you say you don't want to find it on your own. I think this is one of the reasons I love Dominion so much, there are so many possibilities with the same hand of cards, with drastically different outcomes  based on how you choose to play them.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2020, 10:54:39 am »
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Another solution that also reaches 77:

1. Discard any two non-vault cards (+2$) [9 cards left]
2. Play Vault, draw those two, discard everything except Watchtower (+7$) [8 cards left]
3. Play Watchtower draw all cards but WV* [6 cards in hand]
2. Play KC-Goons (+6$, +3buys) [4 cards in hand]
4. Play Forge on Mint, gain Duchy (+3VP) [2 cards in hand]
6. Play Bishop on Counterfeit (+1$, +3VP) [0 cards in hand]

-- End Action phase. You have 16$ and 7 buys.--

 Buy 2*Province, 5*Copper (+19VP)

Game ends because Provinces are out. TOTAL: 52+25=77 VP

*if it's not WV, play WV, draw final card; now you can buy one more copper and end up with 78 VP.


You are using too many actions, no?  There's only 4 left at the beginning. 

Although if you discard 3 at the beginning, draw one with WV and then do the rest of your plan, I think you get the same amount of money, and you guarantee the one extra buy for an extra VP from goons.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 10:56:55 am by dpm »
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2020, 12:00:58 pm »
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You are using too many actions, no?  There's only 4 left at the beginning. 

Although if you discard 3 at the beginning, draw one with WV and then do the rest of your plan, I think you get the same amount of money, and you guarantee the one extra buy for an extra VP from goons.

I believe you're correct. I had in my head that playing WV would inevitably be one less coin, but that doesn't seem to be true

I edited the post. It simplifies it, too.

@Snyables I'll try to find it
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 01:38:22 pm »
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Yet another (very minor) correction: I was wrong, playing WV does not get you an extra VP -- you can only buy 4 coppers since there are only 4 left in the supply!

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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 01:44:18 pm »
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Yet another (very minor) correction: I was wrong, playing WV does not get you an extra VP -- you can only buy 4 coppers since there are only 4 left in the supply!

I think this "minor" correction means that it doesn't work? Since even the original version needed 5 and there are only 4.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 01:50:21 pm »
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Well, nuts.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 01:59:50 pm »
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Rabble needs to be replaced with Cultist!
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2020, 08:53:10 am »
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Silverspawn, you said you wanted to try to find my last solution on your own, but it has been around a week, and the new puzzle is about to be posted. Feel free to ignore this and still work on it on your own if you'd like, and I can confirm or deny if your solution in the same. For anyone else who is curious, this is the alternate solution I have:

Discard any 3 cards that are not Worker's Village and Vault, +$3.
Play Worker's Village and then play Vault to draw those three cards.
Discard all cards except Watchtower, +$6.
Play Watchtower, draw 6 cards.
Play Forge on Goons and Mint to gain a Colony.
Play King's Court on Bishop (Trashes Contraband, +$1 + 3VP, trashes nothing +$1 + 1VP, trashes nothing +$1 +1VP).
You have 5 buys and $12, buy one Colony.
Game ends because Colonies are out.
You start with 52VP and gained 25 this turn (20 from Colonies, 5 from Bishop).
Final score 77 to 76, you win.
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2020, 03:59:23 am »
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I lost motivation. It's a familiar problem.

Ah, I thought for sure intended solution would be something with copper and curses given that there were exactly 4 of both in the supply.

Where you just trying to mislead everyone?  :o
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Re: Can you win this turn 5 (Prosperity)
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2020, 05:13:19 am »
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Silverspawn it was a mixture of attempting to mislead, as well as hoping someone might find a convoluted way to use contraband, and need to be able to buy either/or pile, or maybe find a way to keep watchtower in hand and buy them all and trash the curses.
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