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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1400 on: August 09, 2020, 08:15:15 am »

also also if we lynch mail-mi, he won't be able to shut down hosts for good. So we resurrect MiX and probably Awaclus, where did he go
I don't think we can resurrect Awaclus. We should revive MiX, that much is true.

I didn't think that mail-mi can shut down another host. He could be lying about it, but that would be fairly easy to catch.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1401 on: August 09, 2020, 08:20:34 am »

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1402 on: August 09, 2020, 08:36:18 am »

if scum could already kill him, then they already can kill human, I suppose? It's weird.

When did they kill him?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1403 on: August 09, 2020, 08:36:40 am »

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.

How do you know he's not the last scum?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1404 on: August 09, 2020, 08:37:15 am »

I mean, does it really matter that they would be able to kill humans now? well, they'll kill me. oh wow
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1405 on: August 09, 2020, 08:38:25 am »

part of mail-mi's claim was that he is able to make it so that hosts can't return even with maintenance. That's a bit scary for town as well. I guess this makes sense from the balance perspective, mail-mi's life makes host's deaths permanent, his death makes human kills possible. This is an amazing game design.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1406 on: August 09, 2020, 09:03:25 am »

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.

How do you know he's not the last scum?
I mean, assuming there's 3 scum total, it's unclear to me who the others would be. ADK explicitly tried to sabotage mail-mi from the grave, and I guess it could be Awaclus, but that would also be weird as his special ting is probably also triggered by mail-mi's death.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1407 on: August 09, 2020, 09:19:23 am »

Oh, interesting LaLight. Okay....so knowing that, I think we don’t want to give hosts that power by exiling yams now. We need to figure out the other one. Scola or faust. More likely faust.

Joth, what do you think?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1408 on: August 09, 2020, 10:05:36 am »

Ha! I was right! (at least on one count)

Now, on the other count (all scum are hosts), if mail-mi were scum, why wouldn't he use the NK in order to kill a human?

Lots to think about here. I'm off to play tennis.

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1409 on: August 09, 2020, 11:23:17 am »

Ha! I was right! (at least on one count)

Now, on the other count (all scum are hosts), if mail-mi were scum, why wouldn't he use the NK in order to kill a human?

Lots to think about here. I'm off to play tennis.

i think mail-mi can't use the nk.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1410 on: August 09, 2020, 11:23:46 am »

instead he has that ability to shut down hosts for good
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1411 on: August 09, 2020, 11:24:00 am »

faust, remind me your flavor namre?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1412 on: August 09, 2020, 11:29:20 am »

part of mail-mi's claim was that he is able to make it so that hosts can't return even with maintenance. That's a bit scary for town as well. I guess this makes sense from the balance perspective, mail-mi's life makes host's deaths permanent, his death makes human kills possible. This is an amazing game design.

Totally amazing!

He said he used the permadead on ADK, so I don’t think he has that ability any longer.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1413 on: August 09, 2020, 11:30:01 am »

Unless he is lying, but then why not make Joth and I permadead, too?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1414 on: August 09, 2020, 11:36:47 am »

Vote: faust

I’m going to do a reread and a mega post, but his behavior today and yesterday had been highly anti town. He orchestrated the Swan exile without even really making a case that he thought Swowl was scum. He just didn’t want a town vig to use his power and maybe kill him or his partner. A faust/mail-mi team makes a lot of sense to me.

Why did I protect mail-mi? His powers seemed useful to have around. I didn’t remember that he could only do the permadeath thing once and I have been thinking of that as an ability that scum is probably very afraid of, rather than one they have access to: if scum is mostly hosts, Mail-mi’s power is the only thing keeping them from being invincible. So that’s why I’ve been protecting him. The reason I suggested shooting him yesterday is because it seemed like the best bad option for Swowl’s shot, which I absolutely think he should have used.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1415 on: August 09, 2020, 11:43:12 am »

Idk if I buy this game design though. Let’s suppose scum is two hosts and a human. The human can’t nightkill and the hosts can’t nightkill humans until Mail-mi dies. That means of the two hosts die first, scum is basically out of the game. Mail-mi has no way to win on his own. And as long as mail-mi is alive, if scum have killed all the hosts, they’ve basically lost their nightkill. Seems like a really raw deal for scum no matter how they play.

Now if mail-mi is town, scum has one towny who they have to kill by vig shot or mixile, but once they do that they unlock the ability to function as a normal scum team. That seems more likely to me. BUT I kind of need mail-mi to be scum at this point or I can’t explain his “result” on me.

So I can’t really figure out this game. But I do know that faust is playing a dangerous, scummy, anti town game and brazenly led yesterday’s terrible exile so I’m super happy with my vote there.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1416 on: August 09, 2020, 11:52:23 am »

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1417 on: August 09, 2020, 12:25:20 pm »

faust, remind me your flavor namre?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1418 on: August 09, 2020, 12:29:47 pm »

joth you still haven't answered my question. Who do you townread?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1419 on: August 09, 2020, 12:30:51 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.
If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1420 on: August 09, 2020, 12:31:05 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.
If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1421 on: August 09, 2020, 12:37:16 pm »

I'm going to be lazy and wait for a vote count, but I'm leaning towards a joth vote.

It seems to be mail-mi should be town. scum mail-mil with no NK doesn't make as much sense to me.

faust, lalight could incriminate mail-mi with some other power, but then mail-mi would deny. It seems as if you do better in this game being truthful.

I'm not sure on lalight, then, I think as town lalight I might not reveal mail-mi's power, at least not so quickly.

But I'm willing to give then some benefit of the doubt still. As I'm holding on to my hypothesis that scum are all hosts.

What was ADK's power again? Was he the one who could determine human vs host? That seems to be a scummy power in this game.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1422 on: August 09, 2020, 12:42:54 pm »

The other thing one of us should do (I'll try to find time, but like I said, lazy), is figure out which unknown human where alive the two nights there were no NKs. Since it's safe to assume the attempted targets were human.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1423 on: August 09, 2020, 01:03:01 pm »

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.
If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.

True, but I agree with scola. Its better to be truthful this game.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1424 on: August 09, 2020, 02:34:30 pm »

joth you still haven't answered my question. Who do you townread?

scola I suppose. That’s about it. I was townreading MiX and Swowl...
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