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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1050 on: July 29, 2020, 05:50:44 am »

i am not told if they have power X, only if they are targeted by it.

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1051 on: July 29, 2020, 05:52:18 am »

on D1 i guessed Didds, D2 faust, D3 joth
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1052 on: July 29, 2020, 05:54:40 am »

also, in the end of the night i get told how many times throughout the game I targeted the bearer of searched power
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1053 on: July 29, 2020, 05:54:58 am »

that's how I guessed joth
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1054 on: July 29, 2020, 06:17:45 am »

Let's say the team is Awaclus/ADK/Didds.

N1 actions do not make a lot of sense. Like... why do ADK and Awaclus target LaLight? For ADK, targeting LaLight is a good cover, but Awaclus also targeting them means that cover is undetectable, which seems counterproductive.

So either one of them lied, or at most one of them is scum.

ADK definitely knew the LaLight was a human, so they certainly did target them. No lie there. Which leaves Awaclus - but who else would he have targeted? joth, to cover up the nightkill? But joth would have seen that. It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be: If this is the team, then a scum is responsible for blocking mail-mi during D2. That would be what Awaclus did. So, he's the Roleblocker.

This also fits with the fact that we don't have any evidence of someone other than Awaclus being roleblocked during N2.

Another option is that ADK was town, actually. If we go with Didds/Awaclus are still scum, who is the partner?

Could be joth, conceivably. That mainly makes sense if he's a Traitor, since scum would still have engineered for him to die. This also fits with him targeting Swowl - as he was a candidate for having kiled him, and he would want a QT with fellow scum. In that case however, I'm not sure why he'd offer up Didds as an exile by forcing her to claim.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1055 on: July 29, 2020, 06:26:35 am »

It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be

I don't think it's plausible for my role to be made up, given that apparently it fits my character's flavor so well that joth could guess what it was.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1056 on: July 29, 2020, 07:37:22 am »

It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be

I don't think it's plausible for my role to be made up, given that apparently it fits my character's flavor so well that joth could guess what it was.
My point was clearly about the Watcher part, not the Host/human part, as you could easily determine if you cared about context rather than silly gotchas.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1057 on: July 29, 2020, 08:13:36 am »

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

Now the second part: joth vs mail-mi. mail-mi, did you message anyone D2?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1058 on: July 29, 2020, 08:21:25 am »

joth: Why would you target one of the candidates for killing you with maintenance?

Just reads, man. I had a townread on Swowl and reason to believe he was human. The letter is a big one, most people at that point were still big old question marks in that regard.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1059 on: July 29, 2020, 08:21:50 am »

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1060 on: July 29, 2020, 09:48:28 am »

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

No I didn't, and we don't know what non-town factions have because they could be lying.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1061 on: July 29, 2020, 10:24:43 am »

joth: Why would you target one of the candidates for killing you with maintenance?

Just reads, man. I had a townread on Swowl and reason to believe he was human. The letter is a big one, most people at that point were still big old question marks in that regard.
What was the reason for thinking that Swowl was human?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1062 on: July 29, 2020, 10:26:27 am »

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

No I didn't, and we don't know what non-town factions have because they could be lying.

You think scum stopped their own night kill? I see no town manipulation that would cause this.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1063 on: July 29, 2020, 10:27:49 am »

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1064 on: July 29, 2020, 10:29:06 am »

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1065 on: July 29, 2020, 10:35:13 am »

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?
Not sure what you mean? Night 1? There they tried to shoot ADK and failed due to classic Diddsian meddling.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1066 on: July 29, 2020, 10:41:08 am »

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?
Not sure what you mean? Night 1? There they tried to shoot ADK and failed due to classic Diddsian meddling.

Oh yeah! That should explain most things.

Well, that's a good theory too. It might just be the solve!
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1067 on: July 29, 2020, 10:42:07 am »

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1068 on: July 29, 2020, 10:43:26 am »

You think scum stopped their own night kill? I see no town manipulation that would cause this.

NK-less 3rd party could have stopped a different faction's NK, there could have been a traitor that converts to full scum when NK'd, it's possible the scum team is unable to kill and also perform some other action they deemed more important last night, it's possible the kills are odd-night only, it's possible the factional kill only works while scum meets a specific requirement that they currently don't (e.g. a scum host being alive), it's possible we only ever had a serial killer plus a NK-less scum team in the first place and now the SK is exiled, etc. It's an RMM, there's a lot of different possibilities and we don't know anything about the setup.

My point was clearly about the Watcher part, not the Host/human part, as you could easily determine if you cared about context rather than silly gotchas.

I think my Watcher claim is also pretty believable, because it's kind of specific and I have reported results that I have gotten with it that are consistent with everyone else's claims.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1069 on: July 29, 2020, 10:47:16 am »

Did ADK fullclaim to you? What was it?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1070 on: July 29, 2020, 10:50:21 am »

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.
Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what he claimed?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1071 on: July 29, 2020, 10:51:16 am »

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.
Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what hethey claimed?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1072 on: July 29, 2020, 10:52:53 am »

mail-mi: Could you send someone another message for confirmation purposes?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1073 on: July 29, 2020, 10:53:29 am »

I'm ready to vote: Awaclus
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1074 on: July 29, 2020, 10:54:30 am »

In response to faust's question I will add that I regret killing Didds, however it should be good mechanically speaking.

Carry on.

I'm ready to vote: Awaclus

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I think we're not done with this day yet. You didn't get mail-mi's message, yet Didds did. Is that correct?
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