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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: July 09, 2020, 01:49:57 pm »

Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

Did you ask a question about your win condition, or about other people's win conditions?

No reason not to be specific:

Since in past games, eliminating scum was enough to end the game, i was confused at what would happen if only town humans remained. (since win condition states a town host must be alive).
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: July 09, 2020, 02:03:53 pm »

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: July 09, 2020, 02:11:46 pm »

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

Why would that be? If there were more(and only) town hosts than scum, I presume game would just continue as normal.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: July 09, 2020, 02:15:06 pm »

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

Why would that be? If there were more(and only) town hosts than scum, I presume game would just continue as normal.

Oh, you're right. Weird then.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: July 09, 2020, 02:30:18 pm »

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: July 09, 2020, 02:48:09 pm »

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

You know what? I'm starting to be inclined to faust's bringing it up as scummy.

From setup, it could be inferred that that win condition is only for town hosts and town human is different. Who would benefit most from getting win conditions then?

• town hosts can claim safely. And have no reason to suspect that this would be effective scumhunting.

• town humans can claim safely. Additionally, town humans wouldn't try to catch scum this way, since they know win condition is same for town humans and town host. (since they have theirs and the example)

• scum hosts can safely claim, as they can just copy the example.

• scum humans cannot safely claim. If they claim the example, found to be human, and the conditions for humans and hosts are different, they are caught.

Additionally, it seems as if consensus was to not reveal human / host, and were win conditions different, then claiming win condition is a back door way of finding that out.

tldr:  Vote: faust
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: July 09, 2020, 02:59:04 pm »

Scola's town.

faust maybe.

Glooble's scum.

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: July 09, 2020, 03:29:30 pm »

Not going to address this as talking about my reasoning requires partially claiming stuff that I don't want to claim.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: July 09, 2020, 03:37:09 pm »

That is my win condition is well

faust is towny for going down this route, though

I agree with this statement. Also will confirm it is my win condition. I was also questioning if there were split win conditions for town.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: July 09, 2020, 03:42:58 pm »

Scola's town.

faust maybe.

Glooble's scum.

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: July 09, 2020, 03:45:42 pm »

Vote: Glooble
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: July 09, 2020, 03:55:31 pm »

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: July 09, 2020, 04:05:45 pm »

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

That's a big assumption. The fact that at least some if not all hosts can resurrect means that the "one host alive" requirement can't actually lead to a game state where the game is unwinnable for either side, since we can just resurrect a town host and then we win. So the mafia win con could be any number of things, but the simplest assumption is its just "all town dead", right?

I agree with you that faust isn't neccesarily scummy for bringing it up, but I don't follow your logic.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: July 09, 2020, 04:07:28 pm »

Oh, then what's mafia's win condition Glooble?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: July 09, 2020, 04:41:58 pm »

Vote: Glooble

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia
« Reply #215 on: July 09, 2020, 05:22:47 pm »

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faust (3): Awaclus, hypercube, scolapasta
MiX (1):  LaLight
hypercube (2): Glooble, mail-mi
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Glooble (3): MiX, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel

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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: July 09, 2020, 06:02:14 pm »

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

That's a big assumption. The fact that at least some if not all hosts can resurrect means that the "one host alive" requirement can't actually lead to a game state where the game is unwinnable for either side, since we can just resurrect a town host and then we win. So the mafia win con could be any number of things, but the simplest assumption is its just "all town dead", right?

I agree with you that faust isn't neccesarily scummy for bringing it up, but I don't follow your logic.

ok actually yes, that was not thought all the way through I suppose. The hosts are the ones that can try to bring themselves back (which is where I was going with the win con concept)... but because it is the hosts that have to be dead to bring themselves back... yeah - it is a stretch.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: July 10, 2020, 01:33:54 am »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: July 10, 2020, 11:16:34 am »

Hey ya’ll-

I’m going away for the weekend (my first time sleeping away from my house since February!!) so I’ll be scarce today and tomorrow. I’m in rather desperate need of an unplug and restart.  I’ll have plenty of time to catch up on Sunday evening, though.

Happy Friday! Take good care of yourselves. xoxo
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #219 on: July 10, 2020, 11:48:34 am »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: July 10, 2020, 11:50:01 am »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: July 10, 2020, 11:56:09 am »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: July 10, 2020, 12:20:40 pm »

Hey Swowl, what's your read on LaLight?
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: July 10, 2020, 02:08:23 pm »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.

The possibility of a traitor gives them cover not to I suppose.
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Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: July 10, 2020, 02:36:20 pm »

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.


No one thinks there may just be Mafia Host + Mafia Human type combo? I know someone said it would be OP earlier on, but upon the Traitor thing being brought up I started thinking about it and it wouldn't be that over powered I do not think. I guess it doesn't matter really, just kind of thinking out loud.
Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.

The possibility of a traitor gives them cover not to I suppose.
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