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[Archetype]

RMM57: Westworld Mafia
"This world doesn’t belong to you or the people who came before. It belongs to someone who has yet to come..."

Players:
1. mail-mi Robert Ford, Mafia Human [Exiled D7]
2. MiX Hector Escaton, Host [Killed N3] [Revived N5]
3. LaLight
4. scolapasta
5. A Drowned Kernel Clementine Pennyfeather, Host [Exiled D2]
6. faust Theresea Cullen, Town Human [Exiled D6]
7. Swowl Lee Sizemore, Town Human [Exiled D4]
8. WestCoastDidds Maeve Millay, Host [Killed D3] [Revived N3]
9. hypercube Charlotte Hale, Town Human [Exiled D1]
10. Glooble -> jotheonah Teddy Flood, Host [Killed N1] [Revived N2] [Exiled D5]
11. Awaclus Bernard Lowe, Host [Exiled D3]

Spectators: Galzria, 2.7

Subs: EFHW, jotheonah, chairs

Game Tracker:

Day 1 | Night 1
Day 2 | Night 2
Day 3 | Night 3
Day 4 | Night 4
Day 5 | Night 5
Day 6 | Night 6

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.

Please read The Civility Pledge before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play.

Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. Players must post once every 24 hours.
6. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
7. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
8. Cryptography is not allowed.
9. The time between a consensus being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
10. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
11. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
12. Any tools to aid in creating or imitating randomness are not permitted in-thread or shared QTs.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: Unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may Vote: No Exile. If a majority is reached here, no player will be exiled that day.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority consensus is not reached by the Day's deadline, no one is exlied.

The Rest:
1. Blue text is reserved for the Mod. No other player may use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it. Quoting from these Personal QTs to a factional QT is allowed.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last ~seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last ~two IRL days.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be roughly 36 hours after the night begins.
4. Nights may be shortened in certain cases to speed up the game.

[Archetype]

This is a closed, 11-player RMM game designed by Archetype. This is a fairly complex RMM that features unique abilities alongside new spins on old favorites.

Flavor for this game comes from the HBO Sci Fi Drama Westworld. Characters and the powers they utilize are influenced by the first season of the series. Spoilers do abound, so I would suggest shying away if you ever plan on watching on the show (or do play if you think your memory will be hazy enough ).



Each player will receive a Personal QT with the first post detailing their Role: their Character Name, Alignment, Win Condition, and Abilities. It’s important to note that a character’s relative ‘goodness’ in the show has no bearing on their relative ‘goodness’ in this game as Character Names are assigned relatively independently of Alignment.

Additionally, each player will also be told that they’re either a Host or a Human. When anyone dies, their Character Name will be revealed along with their Host/Human designation. When a Human dies, their alignment will be revealed. A Host, on the other hand, will not have their alignment revealed upon death.

Players in the game are also either Living or Dead. Everyone starts the game as Living, but become Dead when killed or eliminated. Living players can vote and post in-thread and Dead players cannot. There is at least one player in this game with the ability Maintenance (see sample PM) which allows for a Host that is otherwise Dead to again become Living. As such, a Dead Host will not be invited to join the Spectators Chat until there is no way for them to return or affect the game.

Each role’s abilities will also name which types (Living/Dead) of players in the game it can target (if it’s a targeted action). Players cannot use their abilities while dead or self-target unless otherwise noted. Players may also have access to additional factional abilities depending upon their alignment. A sample Role is below:

Character Name: Angela - Host
Alignment: Town
Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

Abilities:

1. Welcome to Westworld (Dead/Living): Each Night, you may post Reveal: [Player Name] in your QT. That player will be told that you are a Host.

2. Maintenance (Living): While Dead, each Day you may post Request: [Player Name] in your QT. At the end of the Day, if the requested player is a Living Human and you are a Dead Host, you will enter Analysis Mode with them at the beginning of the Night. During that Night, you may talk to each other privately. They may post Fix in their Personal QT to have you become Living at the beginning of the next Day.

Please do note that Day actions will only be resolved when I’m online and done in the order they were submitted. I will be doing my best to check Personal QTs often and will notify players when I’ve resolved any submissions. Please also note that Night actions are due 36 hours after it begins.

[Galzria]

/tag

[mail-mi]

/in

[MiX]

Maintenance (Living): While Dead, each Day you may post Request: [Player Name] in your QT. At the end of the Day, if the requested player is a Living Human, you will enter Analysis Mode with them at the beginning of the Night. During that Night, you may talk to each other privately. They may post Fix in their Personal QT to become Living at the beginning of the next Day.

When you say "to become Living", I presume it's referring to the person with Maintenance, not to the Living Human that was the target, right?

[Archetype]

Maintenance (Living): While Dead, each Day you may post Request: [Player Name] in your QT. At the end of the Day, if the requested player is a Living Human, you will enter Analysis Mode with them at the beginning of the Night. During that Night, you may talk to each other privately. They may post Fix in their Personal QT to become Living at the beginning of the next Day.

When you say "to become Living", I presume it's referring to the person with Maintenance, not to the Living Human that was the target, right?

Correct! I just modified that for clarity

[MiX]

Okay, cool.

/in

[LaLight]

/in a hundred  times

[scolapasta]

Huh, I'm planning on watching S1 of this next week!

/in

[A Drowned Kernel]

/in

Is the "maintenance" in the PM exactly how it will work it the game, or is this just a sample of how such an ability could work?

[Archetype]

/in

Is the "maintenance" in the PM exactly how it will work it the game, or is this just a sample of how such an ability could work?

That is how the ability will work

[faust]

/in

[2.71828.....]

/tag

[faust]

/in

Alternatively I could /comod as it seems that the setup requires a decent amount of modding work based on your caveat.

[Archetype]

/in

Alternatively I could /comod as it seems that the setup requires a decent amount of modding work based on your caveat.

Whichever you’d like! There’s a few things where having a comod would be nice, but I also think you’d really enjoy playing.

[Swowl]

/in

[WestCoastDidds]

/in, please

[Archetype]

I'll also note that I don't intend on starting this game until mail-mi's game has completed/is nearing completion.

[hypercube]

/in

[Glooble]

/in

[Awaclus]

/in

[Archetype]

There’s our 11! Anyone else is welcome to /tag to join the spectators or help with modding stuff.

[EFHW]

/sub

[jotheonah]

/tag and available to replace.

[Archetype]

Great! I’ll probably keep you guys outside of the spectators chat just for maximum fairness when swapping in if you need to.

[chairs]

I'm /in-terested

[chairs]

Oh, it's full already.

/sub then.

[Archetype]

Alrighty, so I think I'm going to go ahead and get this fired up. There's a few wording changes in the second post for added clarity and I've updated the lynch replacement from 'eliminate' to 'exile' since that seems to be the phrase people have liked.

I'm going to go ahead and send out your Role QTs. Go ahead and confirm in there once you've received it and ask any questions you may have. If you no longer intend on playing, let me know and I'll pass the buck to one of our lovely subs!

Day 1 will begin July 7th at midnight Forum Time (as long as all players have confirmed). Until then, thread locked!

[Archetype]

All have been sent! Let me know if you didn't receive yours. Because it took me longer than expected, I've updated the time for game start to midnight forum time

[Archetype]

On the dawn of a new Day, the sun shines over the mesa and illuminates the train of visitors rolling into Sweetwater. It's a picturesque American Western town where time seems to have stood still while the rest of humanity has advanced. Except, for the residents of Sweetwater, time really has stood still. As robotic Hosts for this Western themepark, every day is but a repeat of the last. Programmed to follow their 'loops' and appease the desires of their Human visitors, all without the faintest idea as to the nature of their reality. Variability is only intended to come from patrons of the park - what could this newest group of passengers bring?


Day 1 Start!



Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (11): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, faust, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, hypercube, Glooble, Awaclus

With 11 alive it takes 6 to exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 12:01 am Forum Time


Thread Unlocked!

[Swowl]

first!

[Swowl]

ha! I have never been first before!

[Swowl]

third

[Swowl]

fourth! Can't stop me!

[faust]

This is me stopping you!

[Swowl]

This is me stopping you!

aw shucks

streak ends there then

[LaLight]

hellow

vote: Glooble, you can't be an IC forever!

[faust]

Vote: No Exile

[hypercube]

Hi everyone!

vote: No Exile

[MiX]

Vote: No Exile

Hi everyone!

vote: No Exile

Oh you're partners again.

Vote: hypercube

We should exile today.

[MiX]

Also I don't know the setup, anything important that I should know off?

Who does know the setup?

[MiX]

Flavor! Flavor! Not setup.

I do this every time.

Also, I'm town.

[hypercube]

I know the flavour, the hosts die all the time and are brought back to life by the humans. Hosts also aren't able to harm humans, at least during most of the first season which is when this game seems to be set. If anyone is Bernard they may be a host who thinks they're a human.

[Glooble]

I’m guessing the “no exile” logic is something along the lines of “if we’re not guaranteed a flip and the information that comes along with it, a day one exile isn’t worth the chance of hitting town?” Is it something like that?

Here’s the thing- the game has to have some way of preventing scum from resurrecting each other easily, right? Otherwise it would just be completely broken. So it seems to me we should still be trying to exile someone. If they do get brought back, that gives us a different kind of info, right? Plus we still get information if we hit a human.

[faust]

I’m guessing the “no exile” logic is something along the lines of “if we’re not guaranteed a flip and the information that comes along with it, a day one exile isn’t worth the chance of hitting town?” Is it something like that?

Here’s the thing- the game has to have some way of preventing scum from resurrecting each other easily, right? Otherwise it would just be completely broken. So it seems to me we should still be trying to exile someone. If they do get brought back, that gives us a different kind of info, right? Plus we still get information if we hit a human.

I don't quite see how the second paragraph addresses the issues raised in the first paragraph.

[MiX]

I’m guessing the “no exile” logic is something along the lines of “if we’re not guaranteed a flip and the information that comes along with it, a day one exile isn’t worth the chance of hitting town?” Is it something like that?

Here’s the thing- the game has to have some way of preventing scum from resurrecting each other easily, right? Otherwise it would just be completely broken. So it seems to me we should still be trying to exile someone. If they do get brought back, that gives us a different kind of info, right? Plus we still get information if we hit a human.

I don't quite see how the second paragraph addresses the issues raised in the first paragraph.

What are the issues raised in the first paragraph?

From how I'm seeing it, exiling someone means nothing and is just a way to get information, assuming we hit a Host.

[faust]

I’m guessing the “no exile” logic is something along the lines of “if we’re not guaranteed a flip and the information that comes along with it, a day one exile isn’t worth the chance of hitting town?” Is it something like that?

Here’s the thing- the game has to have some way of preventing scum from resurrecting each other easily, right? Otherwise it would just be completely broken. So it seems to me we should still be trying to exile someone. If they do get brought back, that gives us a different kind of info, right? Plus we still get information if we hit a human.

I don't quite see how the second paragraph addresses the issues raised in the first paragraph.

What are the issues raised in the first paragraph?

From how I'm seeing it, exiling someone means nothing and is just a way to get information, assuming we hit a Host.

If we hit a Host, then it's not a way to get information. (Of course there is still some information gained from a wagon even without a flip, but I assume that is not what you mean.)

[MiX]

Uh, trust our PRs, an exiled Host is much better than nothing at all.

What's the argument for not exiling?

[faust]

Uh, trust our PRs, an exiled Host is much better than nothing at all.

What's the argument for not exiling?

How is an exiled Host better than nothing?

This is a small game and every Night counts more than usual, I'd like to have the maximum number of town PRs active N1. Also the usual calculus of 1 exile/1 nightkill doesn't apply here, so getting to an even number of players is not a bad thing.

[MiX]

Uh, trust our PRs, an exiled Host is much better than nothing at all.

What's the argument for not exiling?

How is an exiled Host better than nothing?

This is a small game and every Night counts more than usual, I'd like to have the maximum number of town PRs active N1. Also the usual calculus of 1 exile/1 nightkill doesn't apply here, so getting to an even number of players is not a bad thing.

This is a well designed game. You have to trust that town has ways to make exiled Hosts better than everyone being alive.

Besides, we can't scumhunt if we don't exile.

[MiX]

Vote: faust

Hypercube's not scum this game anyway.

[faust]

This is a well designed game. You have to trust that town has ways to make exiled Hosts better than everyone being alive.

I have no idea what you mean. Why would that not being the case mean that the game is not well-designed?

Besides, we can't scumhunt if we don't exile.

Oh we can, in fact there was no scumhunting before I proposed No Exile and there was scumhunting afterwards, so I would posit that my suggestion helped getting the scumhunting going.

[MiX]

This is a well designed game. You have to trust that town has ways to make exiled Hosts better than everyone being alive.

I have no idea what you mean. Why would that not being the case mean that the game is not well-designed?

Besides, we can't scumhunt if we don't exile.

Oh we can, in fact there was no scumhunting before I proposed No Exile and there was scumhunting afterwards, so I would posit that my suggestion helped getting the scumhunting going.

Saying first is the best scumhunting move ever made and Swowl is my IC now.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi hi hi hi!

I hope that you all are doing well and holding up okay under the continued weirdness. Or at least it’s continued weirdness where I live.  My town opened up, a bajillion young people converged on it, there is a big spike, we closed back down.... it feels like Before Time was soooooo long ago.

I have questions about the humans and hosts and coming back to life, bring back to life that I’m sure will be clarified before I actually need to ask them. I’m especially curious about what the ratio might be. Lost of hosts, or not very many?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

[faust]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

I'm not sure this is a yes or no question, but no.

[faust]

I have questions about the humans and hosts and coming back to life, bring back to life that I’m sure will be clarified before I actually need to ask them. I’m especially curious about what the ratio might be. Lost of hosts, or not very many?

Considering the available characters within the flavor, I would put the Host ratio somewhere between 25 and 40 percent. Which, given that this is an 11 player game... means 3 or 4 Hosts.

[WestCoastDidds]

I have questions about the humans and hosts and coming back to life, bring back to life that I’m sure will be clarified before I actually need to ask them. I’m especially curious about what the ratio might be. Lost of hosts, or not very many?

Considering the available characters within the flavor, I would put the Host ratio somewhere between 25 and 40 percent. Which, given that this is an 11 player game... means 3 or 4 Hosts.

I love that you figure stuff out for me!

[faust]

I have questions about the humans and hosts and coming back to life, bring back to life that I’m sure will be clarified before I actually need to ask them. I’m especially curious about what the ratio might be. Lost of hosts, or not very many?

Considering the available characters within the flavor, I would put the Host ratio somewhere between 25 and 40 percent. Which, given that this is an 11 player game... means 3 or 4 Hosts.

I love that you figure stuff out for me!

Of course there's nothing stopping Archetype from putting more minor character hosts in and dropping some major charcter humans if he felt that he needed more Hosts for this to work.

[mail-mi]

Hello!

I'm not sure how I feel about Faust's no-exile plan, but I think hypercube comes off scummiest for jumping on it.

vote: hypercube

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hello!

I'm not sure how I feel about Faust's no-exile plan, but I think hypercube comes off scummiest for jumping on it.

vote: hypercube

Why is that scummy?

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.1

faust (1): MiX

No Exile (1): faust

Not Voting (9): mail-mi, scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, hypercube, Glooble, Awaclus, LaLight

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 12:01 am Forum Time

vote: No Exile

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

[mail-mi]

Hello!

I'm not sure how I feel about Faust's no-exile plan, but I think hypercube comes off scummiest for jumping on it.

vote: hypercube

Why is that scummy?

Cause it's early day 1, sheeping, and scum want us to no exile since that's our main way of killing them.

[MiX]

vote: No Exile

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

What's wrong about it?

[MiX]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

Eh, I thought about it, and not knowing how many hosts have maintenance ruins it.

[Archetype]

vote: No Exile

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

What's wrong about it?

The correct is 'Vote' not 'vote' pedantic, I know

[mail-mi]

vote: No Exile

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

What's wrong about it?

The correct is 'Vote' not 'vote' pedantic, I know

But you counted mine for hypercube...

[Archetype]

vote: No Exile

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

What's wrong about it?

The correct is 'Vote' not 'vote' pedantic, I know

But you counted mine for hypercube...

Thats my mistake then, updated

[mail-mi]

Vote: hypercube

[MiX]

You also counted LaLight's vote which was with "vote"

[Archetype]

You also counted LaLight's vote which was with "vote"

I guess I need to pay closer attention to my own rules  . Updated too

[MiX]

Vote: Archetype for this whole thing not being about a super weird post restriction on hypercube which would result in this being BM.

Vote: faust because pedantic

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, so the rule is vote has to be capitalized and bolded?

[hypercube]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

I'm going to say "moderately bad."

Vote: Archetype for this whole thing not being about a super weird post restriction on hypercube which would result in this being BM.

Honestly, I'd prefer to post without capital letters at all, but that wouldn't be pro-town.

Vote: No Exile

[hypercube]

This is a well designed game.

How can you tell? Vote: MiX

[MiX]

This is a well designed game.

How can you tell? Vote: MiX

Ha I love the implication.

Oh I just love my role and I think I can see a lot of what's going to happen with it.

Also I have faith in Archetype, having played exactly one game with him for 48 hours.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

Eh, I thought about it, and not knowing how many hosts have maintenance ruins it.

I was assuming that maintenance went hand-in-hand with being a host but looking back at the setup I suppose it only specifies 'at least one'. So yeah, plan is bad, nevermind

[Awaclus]

Vote: faust

[faust]

Pfft

Vote: Awaclus

[Awaclus]

Man, it feels pretty good being able to post whatever I want without having to work in a silly word every time.


The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this post are fictitious. No identification with actual games (ongoing or ended) should be inferred.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Pfft

Vote: Awaclus

vote: faust

[Awaclus]

Pfft

Vote: Awaclus

Oh yeah? You want to fite me?

Vote: faust

[Awaclus]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

Not as bad as it sounds but still pretty bad.

[MiX]

What the hell? Who's this person that took over Awaclus' account?

Vote: Awaclus

No but seriously I've seen scum!him.

Vote: faust

[scolapasta]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

[mail-mi]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

Is it human vs. host though? It seems to me like we will have town and scum humans, and town and scum hosts.

[MiX]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

Is it human vs. host though? It seems to me like we will have town and scum humans, and town and scum hosts.

That's not what he meant, he means the distinction of human vs host, or overall how humans and hosts are different.

You're human ok got it.

[mail-mi]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

Is it human vs. host though? It seems to me like we will have town and scum humans, and town and scum hosts.

That's not what he meant, he means the distinction of human vs host, or overall how humans and hosts are different.

You're human ok got it.

 

[WestCoastDidds]

Well, it seems like the humans would be cool with not knowing anything, but the hosts need to know who the humans are, although not yet since everyone starts off alive. But after one gets Xed, they need to reach out to a human, right?  The humans don’t want to revive the scum hosts, though, so I guess I was wrong about the humans not needing to know anything. They need to know who the scum hosts are to keep them dead...but why would scum hosts reach out to town humans if there are scum humans? Hmmm.

[faust]

Pfft

Vote: Awaclus

Oh yeah? You want to fite me?

Vote: faust

No, I want no lynch, but there's no harm in having some fun in between.

[faust]

Hmpf, no exile, you get it.

[scolapasta]

Well, it seems like the humans would be cool with not knowing anything, but the hosts need to know who the humans are, although not yet since everyone starts off alive. But after one gets Xed, they need to reach out to a human, right?  The humans don’t want to revive the scum hosts, though, so I guess I was wrong about the humans not needing to know anything. They need to know who the scum hosts are to keep them dead...but why would scum hosts reach out to town humans if there are scum humans? Hmmm.

Sure, but hosts can find out humans after they're exiled. (i.e. can keep reading the thread)

Maybe only town hosts have maintenance? Nah, can't be that, because then there would be no reason to ever not fix a maintenance request.

[Awaclus]

What the hell? Who's this person that took over Awaclus' account?

I don't think I'm being particularly unusual here.

No, I want no lynch, but there's no harm in having some fun in between.

In that case, we can exile you and there will be no lynch.

[MiX]

Well, it seems like the humans would be cool with not knowing anything, but the hosts need to know who the humans are, although not yet since everyone starts off alive. But after one gets Xed, they need to reach out to a human, right?  The humans don’t want to revive the scum hosts, though, so I guess I was wrong about the humans not needing to know anything. They need to know who the scum hosts are to keep them dead...but why would scum hosts reach out to town humans if there are scum humans? Hmmm.

Sure, but hosts can find out humans after they're exiled. (i.e. can keep reading the thread)

Maybe only town hosts have maintenance? Nah, can't be that, because then there would be no reason to ever not fix a maintenance request.

Flawed logic, but I agree with the conclusion so meh.

What the hell? Who's this person that took over Awaclus' account?

I don't think I'm being particularly unusual here.

No, I want no lynch, but there's no harm in having some fun in between.

In that case, we can exile you and there will be no lynch.

I guess not when I look closer, but that was my immediate reaction.

The best part about no lynch is that it's always going to happen.

[Swowl]

I find it interesting that so far on the Exile/No-Exile talk that everyone is viewing the death mechanic in the game as like a negative utility. I mean, yes, not getting a flip if we lynch a host leads to very little info, fair. However, it is not like 100% that we in fact exile a host instead of a human. There is also the other end of the "maintenance can bring skum back" argument - that being that if we lynch a host we later deem likely town at a point when we are mylo/lylo or something, we may be able to work that in to our advantage.

so all in all - I don't think the upside on No-Exile is enough to go for it today. Though, I do see the argument, so I don't think it is skummy to bring it up or agree with it.

[Swowl]

Without going into detail, how bad do people think that having everyone claim host or human would be? Just yes or no, I don't need you to say why. I have a plan that could be useful but would require everyone to claim which they are and that could potentially be bad

unless your plan is fool proof - hard pass on that one for today I think. Not gonna give reasons, but I have them, and the top one is fairly general and imo extremely solid.

[LaLight]

I am fully against the claiming host/human plan. And I am a bit against no exile.

let's Vote: MiX

[mail-mi]

I think ADK gets townpoints for proposing a plan that is so universally declined. Scumbuddy(s) would have discussed that N0 and denounced it.

[LaLight]

I think ADK gets townpoints for proposing a plan that is so universally declined. Scumbuddy(s) would have discussed that N0 and denounced it.

and then say "yeah, also you should propose it in thread to look towny"

[mail-mi]

I think ADK gets townpoints for proposing a plan that is so universally declined. Scumbuddy(s) would have discussed that N0 and denounced it.

and then say "yeah, also you should propose it in thread to look towny"

WIFOM. I didn't say they were completely off the table, I just gave them some townpoints.

[Awaclus]

I am fully against the claiming host/human plan. And I am a bit against no exile.

let's Vote: MiX

Let's not MiXile.

[LaLight]

I am fully against the claiming host/human plan. And I am a bit against no exile.

let's Vote: MiX

Let's not MiXile.

why? Are you his partner?

[Swowl]

I am fully against the claiming host/human plan. And I am a bit against no exile.

let's Vote: MiX

I don't think MiX was the pusher of either of those? faust and ADK right? How do you end up on mix from that?

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.2

faust (2): Awaclus, MiX
MiX (2): hypercube, LaLight
hypercube (1): mail-mi
Awaclus (1): faust

Not Voting (5): scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, Glooble

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 12:01 am Forum Time

vote: faust

Incorrect voting syntax, vote not counted.

[MiX]

I think ADK gets townpoints for proposing a plan that is so universally declined. Scumbuddy(s) would have discussed that N0 and denounced it.

No. ADK loves suggesting plans to town as scum. I think as town too.

I think ADK gets townpoints for proposing a plan that is so universally declined. Scumbuddy(s) would have discussed that N0 and denounced it.

and then say "yeah, also you should propose it in thread to look towny"

This ^^

I am fully against the claiming host/human plan. And I am a bit against no exile.

let's Vote: MiX

I don't think MiX was the pusher of either of those? faust and ADK right? How do you end up on mix from that?

Bad plans != Scum.

Good lack-of-plans != Scum too LaLight.

[hypercube]

If scum had some reason to bring up a claiming plan, they wouldn't have backpeadled on it as fast as ADK did.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: faust

[A Drowned Kernel]

If scum had some reason to bring up a claiming plan, they wouldn't have backpeadled on it as fast as ADK did.

Well, 90% of the time when scum suggests a plan, the reason is just "to look towny", not because they're hoping to trick town into enacting a bad plan

[Swowl]

If scum had some reason to bring up a claiming plan, they wouldn't have backpeadled on it as fast as ADK did.

Well, 90% of the time when scum suggests a plan, the reason is just "to look towny", not because they're hoping to trick town into enacting a bad plan

you would be the expert on that.

[faust]

If scum had some reason to bring up a claiming plan, they wouldn't have backpeadled on it as fast as ADK did.

Well, 90% of the time when scum suggests a plan, the reason is just "to look towny", not because they're hoping to trick town into enacting a bad plan

Missing option 3: Role fishing. That's not terribly likely, but more so than trying to enact a pro-scum plan I think.

[faust]

Vote: mail-mi

[faust]

Vote: mail-mi

Or I don't know, that's kind of lame.

Vote: A Drowned Kernel

[Awaclus]

why? Are you his partner?

No, but he's voting for faust, which is useful.

[faust]

why? Are you his partner?

No, but he's voting for faust, which is useful.

Useful for you because you want a mislynch?

[Awaclus]

why? Are you his partner?

No, but he's voting for faust, which is useful.

Useful for you because you want a mislynch?

Useful for me because I want a correct exile, also known as a correxile.

[faust]

why? Are you his partner?

No, but he's voting for faust, which is useful.

Useful for you because you want a mislynch?

Useful for me because I want a correct exile, also known as a correxile.

And how does MiX voting for me help achieve your goal?

[hypercube]

The people on the faust wagon are looking pretty towny to me, so I'm going to hop on. Vote: faust

[faust]

The people on the faust wagon are looking pretty towny to me, so I'm going to hop on. Vote: faust

What are you trying to achieve with this?

[hypercube]

The people on the faust wagon are looking pretty towny to me, so I'm going to hop on. Vote: faust

What are you trying to achieve with this?

To see if you're defensive about anyone voting for you or if it's just Awaclus.

[faust]

The people on the faust wagon are looking pretty towny to me, so I'm going to hop on. Vote: faust

What are you trying to achieve with this?

To see if you're defensive about anyone voting for you or if it's just Awaclus.

I feel like given that three people had been voting for me and I only questioned one of them, you could have saved yourself the trouble of voting for me.

[MiX]

Yay I'm evidence!

Hey hyper are you scumreading faust?

[hypercube]

I feel like given that three people had been voting for me and I only questioned one of them, you could have saved yourself the trouble of voting for me.

Well, we're at 2 for 4 now, so, to answer MiX's question, yes.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, hyper....what’s scummy about faust?

[MiX]

I feel like given that three people had been voting for me and I only questioned one of them, you could have saved yourself the trouble of voting for me.

Well, we're at 2 for 4 now, so, to answer MiX's question, yes.

Uh...why are you scumreading faust?

Why does "2 for 4" relate to answering my question?

How is refuting your reason to vote even alignment indicative when you say that you just wanted to see what would happen, and you didn't need to vote to know what you wanted.

Your reason to vote is terrible and your scumread feels like an afterthought.

MiX, hyper....what’s scummy about faust?

I'll answer after hyper.

[faust]

I feel like given that three people had been voting for me and I only questioned one of them, you could have saved yourself the trouble of voting for me.

Well, we're at 2 for 4 now, so, to answer MiX's question, yes.

It would seem that the implication of this post is that it is scummy to be defensive in 2 of 4 cases when you get an early wagon. (I personally feel much more offensive rather than defensive though, for the record.)

Did you think I was scummy before you voted? (i.e. is 1 in 3 for defensiveness also scummy?

What reaction could I have had to my wagon that would have made you think I am town?

[Awaclus]

And how does MiX voting for me help achieve your goal?

It puts you closer to being exiled.

[faust]

And how does MiX voting for me help achieve your goal?

It puts you closer to being exiled.

But you cannot correxile if I am exiled. Seems counterproductive.

[Awaclus]

And how does MiX voting for me help achieve your goal?

It puts you closer to being exiled.

But you cannot correxile if I am exiled. Seems counterproductive.

Can you back that up with any evidence?

[hypercube]

I didn't like faust's vote for ADK and his interaction with Awaclus just seemed pointless and defensive.

What reaction could I have had to my wagon that would have made you think I am town?

You could find someone better for us to be voting for rather than asking how to be towny.

[faust]

And how does MiX voting for me help achieve your goal?

It puts you closer to being exiled.

But you cannot correxile if I am exiled. Seems counterproductive.

Can you back that up with any evidence?

I think scum!me would have been more vocal and stubborn about the whole no exile thing. I was very pro-town in bringing up the idea which is the best play for today, getting us out of RVS while doing so, but then seeing there's no majority for it and working to get a good exile if we need to have an exile.

Also I never get early suspicion as scum.

[faust]

I didn't like faust's vote for ADK and his interaction with Awaclus just seemed pointless and defensive.

What reaction could I have had to my wagon that would have made you think I am town?

You could find someone better for us to be voting for rather than asking how to be towny.

I did do that.

Also lol believe me I know how to be towny.

[MiX]

Unvote

My reason to scumread was the no Exile part looking incredibly fake, as if faust was saying "look I'm doing a pro-town thing my name is faust" which is honestly getting old.

But he's right, he could've played it out much better.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Unvote

My reason to scumread was the no Exile part looking incredibly fake, as if faust was saying "look I'm doing a pro-town thing my name is faust" which is honestly getting old.

But he's right, he could've played it out much better.

If no-exile is pro-town (or if faust believes it is), then how is the fact that he introduced the idea but didn't push hard for it evidence that he's town?

[Awaclus]

I think scum!me would have been more vocal and stubborn about the whole no exile thing. I was very pro-town in bringing up the idea which is the best play for today, getting us out of RVS while doing so, but then seeing there's no majority for it and working to get a good exile if we need to have an exile.

Also I never get early suspicion as scum.

Getting out of RVS is a classic scum defense for doing scummy things in the early game and doing the thing you never do as scum is a classic scum play.

If you are town and you think no exile is actually the best play for today, why aren't you more vocal and stubborn about it?

[MiX]

Unvote

My reason to scumread was the no Exile part looking incredibly fake, as if faust was saying "look I'm doing a pro-town thing my name is faust" which is honestly getting old.

But he's right, he could've played it out much better.

If no-exile is pro-town (or if faust believes it is), then how is the fact that he introduced the idea but didn't push hard for it evidence that he's town?

It's not.

[Glooble]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Unvote

My reason to scumread was the no Exile part looking incredibly fake, as if faust was saying "look I'm doing a pro-town thing my name is faust" which is honestly getting old.

But he's right, he could've played it out much better.

If no-exile is pro-town (or if faust believes it is), then how is the fact that he introduced the idea but didn't push hard for it evidence that he's town?

It's not.

Then I'm confused as to what your stance is

[hypercube]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Yeah it was not an incredibly well-substantiated vote, but I feel fine about it after seeing faust's reaction and re-reading a bit.

[faust]

I think scum!me would have been more vocal and stubborn about the whole no exile thing. I was very pro-town in bringing up the idea which is the best play for today, getting us out of RVS while doing so, but then seeing there's no majority for it and working to get a good exile if we need to have an exile.

Also I never get early suspicion as scum.

Getting out of RVS is a classic scum defense for doing scummy things in the early game and doing the thing you never do as scum is a classic scum play.

Can you provide evidence of where scum used getting out of RVS as a defense? And getting suspicion isn't something I do, it's something that happens to me.

If you are town and you think no exile is actually the best play for today, why aren't you more vocal and stubborn about it?

Because, I am not you. People have made their opinions clear, and it's not a thing that people are likely to be persuaded on. Plus, that discussion can still be had towards the end of the Day, when it is more important.

[LaLight]

I just slept and saw a dream where Swowl and faust were scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I just slept and saw a dream where Swowl and faust were scum.

vote: lalight

[LaLight]

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

[LaLight]

I just slept and saw a dream where Swowl and faust were scum.

vote: lalight

too late for the RVS, no?

[LaLight]

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

[LaLight]

not like I am claiming to be the best faust-radar, but it's something.

[MiX]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Vote: Glooble

I need a vote down after all.

Why couldn't you just get town this game? It's way more fun!

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

Oh. Well, time for dream implosion.

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

"Off-wagon"...?

[faust]

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

Sorry to break your streak.

[LaLight]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Vote: Glooble

I need a vote down after all.

Why couldn't you just get town this game? It's way more fun!

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

Oh. Well, time for dream implosion.

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

"Off-wagon"...?

i mean if faust gets lynched and he's town, i should be off-wagon really. but I am willing to join the wagon closer to deadline or something

[Swowl]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Vote: Glooble

I need a vote down after all.

Why couldn't you just get town this game? It's way more fun!

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

Oh. Well, time for dream implosion.

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

"Off-wagon"...?

i mean if faust gets lynched and he's town, i should be off-wagon really. but I am willing to join the wagon closer to deadline or something

well I mean how confident are you? You say if he is town you need to be off wagon. Assuming that means it doesn't matter where you are if he is Skum?

So if you think he is skum - why not go for it?
I mean I do not really agree with you at this point in time, but this is a super hedgey angle to take.

[MiX]

I think LL's hinting at mechanics...?

Which is weird.

[LaLight]

I think LL's hinting at mechanics...?

Which is weird.

just my role

[LaLight]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Vote: Glooble

I need a vote down after all.

Why couldn't you just get town this game? It's way more fun!

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

Oh. Well, time for dream implosion.

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

"Off-wagon"...?

i mean if faust gets lynched and he's town, i should be off-wagon really. but I am willing to join the wagon closer to deadline or something

well I mean how confident are you? You say if he is town you need to be off wagon. Assuming that means it doesn't matter where you are if he is Skum?

So if you think he is skum - why not go for it?
I mean I do not really agree with you at this point in time, but this is a super hedgey angle to take.

because I don't want a quicklynch. I haven't seen a vc for a while and too lazy to count votes and i feel like faust has a lot of them for 11 plyer game as of yet

[MiX]

I think LL's hinting at mechanics...?

Which is weird.

just my role

Exactly.

So, what's "off-wagon" for your role?

[LaLight]

I think LL's hinting at mechanics...?

Which is weird.

just my role

Exactly.

So, what's "off-wagon" for your role?

not on lynch wagon when the lynch happens, what else?

[MiX]

What is there's no lynch, which is always exile?

[LaLight]

oh, sorry. yeah, I meant that.

[A Drowned Kernel]

unvote I don't know what lalight is doing but it wasn't what I thought he was doing

[A Drowned Kernel]

Unvote

If it matters

[LaLight]

unvote I don't know what lalight is doing but it wasn't what I thought he was doing

I literally don't do anything other than what I said I am doing

[LaLight]

I am really sorry if I confused anyone

[A Drowned Kernel]

unvote I don't know what lalight is doing but it wasn't what I thought he was doing

I literally don't do anything other than what I said I am doing

Don't worry about it

[faust]

So - I think we should claim win conditions.

[Swowl]

So - I think we should claim win conditions.

I'm good with this, as long as faust goes first.

[Swowl]

Vote: hypercube

He just seems very eager to be the second person to do things. Jumps along with the No Exile, jumps along with voting for faust. His reason for voting for faust feels like he came up with it after the fact.

Vote: Glooble

I need a vote down after all.

Why couldn't you just get town this game? It's way more fun!

funnily enough, Arhchetype put their names in red in my QT and when I asked why he told me their alignments, he said that this was an accident and if I share this in thread, town immediately loses.

Oh. Well, time for dream implosion.

I have a small, mostly protown incentive for voting off-wagon, so I want to vote faust, and I just might, but I will wait some more.

The reason for that is that in the last two faust!town games and the one scum!faust game I read him correctly, and now I don't think he's town.

"Off-wagon"...?

i mean if faust gets lynched and he's town, i should be off-wagon really. but I am willing to join the wagon closer to deadline or something

well I mean how confident are you? You say if he is town you need to be off wagon. Assuming that means it doesn't matter where you are if he is Skum?

So if you think he is skum - why not go for it?
I mean I do not really agree with you at this point in time, but this is a super hedgey angle to take.

because I don't want a quicklynch. I haven't seen a vc for a while and too lazy to count votes and i feel like faust has a lot of them for 11 plyer game as of yet

why would you claim one of your powers here? what upside does that give you as opposed to just knowing it for yourself?

[faust]

So - I think we should claim win conditions.

I'm good with this, as long as faust goes first.

My win condition is to have all all mafia dead and at least one town host alive.

[hypercube]

So - I think we should claim win conditions.

I'm good with this, as long as faust goes first.

My win condition is to have all all mafia dead and at least one town host alive.

That's also my win condition.

I don't really understand what this claiming is aiming to accomplish.

[LaLight]

So - I think we should claim win conditions.

I'm good with this, as long as faust goes first.

My win condition is to have all all mafia dead and at least one town host alive.

yes, this

[MiX]

Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

This is also my win condition and this is a dumb thing to be asking.

Vote: faust

[MiX]

Did faust just forget how to open up a thread without looking scummy?

I also see no reason to read anyone else when faust just goes "hey people might have different win conditions from the one the setup gives as an example for town" for what I presume can only be so people post more.

Ok, now a readlist because why not:


mail-mi's null and I forgot he was in this game even though he's posted a bunch.

MiX's town!

LaLight's town or third-party honestly not sure. We'll figure it out eventually.

scola's null for some reason, so he's probably scum.

ADK's town IIRC, but it's ADK so this needs more fine-tuning.

faust's scum and he's not trying to hiding it or faust's town and extremely tired, entering a routine. I don't know which is which.

Swowl's townie-ish? Too soon to tell.

Didds is in this game? Very undercover, which is especially odd for her. I'd need to go over the newest scum!Didds game, but overall scummy read.

hypercube's town.

Glooble's scum but it's pretty hard to catch them so I can just settle for faust.

Awaclus is town or scum in a weird quantum state. So, probably town, as when scum it's usually easy to townread him.


There that's my content for this game now we can exile faust and be done with today right?

[faust]

Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

This is also my win condition and this is a dumb thing to be asking.

Vote: faust

Well, Archetype wouldn't confirm to me that all townies share the same win condition.

[MiX]

Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

This is also my win condition and this is a dumb thing to be asking.

Vote: faust

Well, Archetype wouldn't confirm to me that all townies share the same win condition.

Can you read that sentence again?

Of course all town-aligned players have the same win condition. That's what being town-aligned means, having the same win condition as town, which is known.

[faust]

Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

This is also my win condition and this is a dumb thing to be asking.

Vote: faust

Well, Archetype wouldn't confirm to me that all townies share the same win condition.

Can you read that sentence again?

Of course all town-aligned players have the same win condition. That's what being town-aligned means, having the same win condition as town, which is known.

See here for a game where town was split into 2 camps with slightly different win condition. A game that was modded by Archetype.

[MiX]

Win conditions which were public as the game would be bastard without it.

[faust]

Win conditions which were public as the game would be bastard without it.

Pfft no it wouldn'tand that's a silly argument. Maybe you'd find that bastard, but I am pretty sure Arch wouldn't.

[MiX]

Win conditions which were public as the game would be bastard without it.

Pfft no it wouldn'tand that's a silly argument. Maybe you'd find that bastard, but I am pretty sure Arch wouldn't.

So wait. You think that the same alignment can have different win conditions? And that be a normal thing?

Why?

[faust]

If this was super obvious to Arch as you make it out to be then he would have just answered my question. He didn't and that already shows that he thinks this would be a valid design choice.

[MiX]

If this was super obvious to Arch as you make it out to be then he would have just answered my question. He didn't and that already shows that he thinks this would be a valid design choice.

Well as scum, answering that's a bit more complicated.

[faust]

Win conditions which were public as the game would be bastard without it.

Pfft no it wouldn'tand that's a silly argument. Maybe you'd find that bastard, but I am pretty sure Arch wouldn't.

So wait. You think that the same alignment can have different win conditions? And that be a normal thing?

Why?

Why not? The win condition given in the setup post is nonstandard, so it is not far-fetched to assume we have other nonstandard win conditions. Like someone who needs a human alive rather than a Host at the end seems like a pretty reasonable choice.

[MiX]

But then they don't win with town. They win only if town could win, but...

This is dumb. I'll ask the question myself.

Do all town-aligned players have the same win condition?

[MiX]

Oh hey, the setup rules out the possibility of hostile third-parties, neat.

At least hostile to everyone I guess.

Unvote, fine.

[A Drowned Kernel]

That is my win condition is well

faust is towny for going down this route, though

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning!!

Okay, I just went and double checked because I didn’t read carefully beyond the when all mafia folks are dead part, but I also need at least one human host to be alive. Which is why my earlier question was about how many hosts we might have.

MiX...how do you not know I’m here?!? You’ve even answered some of my questions. I’ll say that one reason for my lack of engagement has been that I am trying to listen intently to setup talk.

I don’t think faust is behaving scummily.

Glooble, how are you? What do you think of the game so far?

[MiX]

Vote: Glooble

I was about to say Glooble as that's the thing I want the most right now. Where are you?

[mail-mi]

I'm here

But also I won't be here very much over the weekend, I'm going on vacation this weekend.

What is this discussion on win conditions? I have the same as everyone else has stated. Not sure if I find Faust scummy for it or not. It's all probably NAI.

Still comfortable with my vote on hyper (at least, that's where it should be. If not, Vote: hyper

[faust]

but I also need at least one human host to be alive.

Err, what? There are no human hosts, that's the whole point...

[scolapasta]

Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

[Glooble]

Good morning!!

Okay, I just went and double checked because I didn’t read carefully beyond the when all mafia folks are dead part, but I also need at least one human host to be alive. Which is why my earlier question was about how many hosts we might have.

MiX...how do you not know I’m here?!? You’ve even answered some of my questions. I’ll say that one reason for my lack of engagement has been that I am trying to listen intently to setup talk.

I don’t think faust is behaving scummily.

Glooble, how are you? What do you think of the game so far?

Today is my "actually go into the office day" and I have my zoom writing group in the evening so I may not have much time to dive into the game today. I feel like a lot has happened in these first six pages compared to a normal day one, so hopefully I'll have time to do some rereads soon and draw some conclusions.

My instinct now re: faust is that there might be some scumminess happening, but the reaction to it has been disproportionate. I think there's more scum to be found among the faust-voters. I don't think it's LaLight though- his comments about a faust-dar are just too brazen to come from scum LaLight. Hence my vote being on hyper for now (plus the reasons I've mentioned.)

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.3

faust (2): Awaclus, hypercube
MiX (1):  LaLight
hypercube (2): Glooble, mail-mi
A Drowned Kernel(1): faust
Glooble (1): MiX

Not Voting (4): scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 12:01 am Forum Time

Do all town-aligned players have the same win condition?

All Town-aligned players must meet the Win Condition stated in the second post

[WestCoastDidds]

but I also need at least one human host to be alive.

Err, what? There are no human hosts, that's the whole point...

Sorry, living town host.

Multitasking with children. Apologies for distraction errors

[MiX]

Vote: faust

XaL

[faust]

Vote: faust

XaL

What do you presume happen here? I lied about some easily verifiable thing for no reason?

[MiX]

Vote: faust

XaL

What do you presume happen here? I lied about some easily verifiable thing for no reason?

I presumed you would explain what happened in more detailed if I voted for you...

Vote: Glooble

[faust]

Vote: faust

XaL

What do you presume happen here? I lied about some easily verifiable thing for no reason?

I presumed you would explain what happened in more detailed if I voted for you...

Vote: Glooble

Well it's a QT quoting issue, so I have to wait for Archetype's input.

[faust]

Do all players with the same alignment share the same win condition?

[Awaclus]

This Not Voting wagon is pretty terrible.

[Archetype]

Do all players with the same alignment share the same win condition?

I won’t answer this

[MiX]

I see.

[LaLight]

yeah, so it's not about town per se

[A Drowned Kernel]

Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

Did you ask a question about your win condition, or about other people's win conditions?

[scolapasta]

Vote: faust

XaL

What do you presume happen here? I lied about some easily verifiable thing for no reason?

Yeah, this is what makes me hesitate. But I also don't get why you'd say post win condition, as even scum would just quote the setup.

Though I guess something about your QT made you doubt, and we're waiting to here. Still makes me think this is town!faust.

[scolapasta]

Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

Did you ask a question about your win condition, or about other people's win conditions?

No reason not to be specific:

Since in past games, eliminating scum was enough to end the game, i was confused at what would happen if only town humans remained. (since win condition states a town host must be alive).

[MiX]

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

[scolapasta]

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

Why would that be? If there were more(and only) town hosts than scum, I presume game would just continue as normal.

[MiX]

Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

Why would that be? If there were more(and only) town hosts than scum, I presume game would just continue as normal.

Oh, you're right. Weird then.

[hypercube]

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

[scolapasta]

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

You know what? I'm starting to be inclined to faust's bringing it up as scummy.

From setup, it could be inferred that that win condition is only for town hosts and town human is different. Who would benefit most from getting win conditions then?

• town hosts can claim safely. And have no reason to suspect that this would be effective scumhunting.

• town humans can claim safely. Additionally, town humans wouldn't try to catch scum this way, since they know win condition is same for town humans and town host. (since they have theirs and the example)

• scum hosts can safely claim, as they can just copy the example.

• scum humans cannot safely claim. If they claim the example, found to be human, and the conditions for humans and hosts are different, they are caught.

Additionally, it seems as if consensus was to not reveal human / host, and were win conditions different, then claiming win condition is a back door way of finding that out.

tldr:  Vote: faust

[MiX]

Scola's town.

faust maybe.

Glooble's scum.

These are my best reads this game.

[faust]

Not going to address this as talking about my reasoning requires partially claiming stuff that I don't want to claim.

[Swowl]

That is my win condition is well

faust is towny for going down this route, though

I agree with this statement. Also will confirm it is my win condition. I was also questioning if there were split win conditions for town.

[Glooble]

Scola's town.

faust maybe.

Glooble's scum.

These are my best reads this game.

You always think I'm scum.

[Swowl]

Vote: Glooble

[Swowl]

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

[Glooble]

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

That's a big assumption. The fact that at least some if not all hosts can resurrect means that the "one host alive" requirement can't actually lead to a game state where the game is unwinnable for either side, since we can just resurrect a town host and then we win. So the mafia win con could be any number of things, but the simplest assumption is its just "all town dead", right?

I agree with you that faust isn't neccesarily scummy for bringing it up, but I don't follow your logic.

[MiX]

Oh, then what's mafia's win condition Glooble?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: Glooble

Works for me

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.4

faust (3): Awaclus, hypercube, scolapasta
MiX (1):  LaLight
hypercube (2): Glooble, mail-mi
A Drowned Kernel(1): faust
Glooble (3): MiX, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (1): WestCoastDidds

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 12:01 am Forum Time

[Swowl]

I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

I am town and I thought about it a lot since beginning of game.

In hindsight, I think that the win con claim thing was def pro town. We now know. We can use that info as we move forward to make sure we meet our win con. I also assume that if our win con was "... all mafia dead and at least one living town host" then mafia win con is something like "... or nothing can prevent that from happening, and all Town hosts are dead"... this is just to say skum probably already knew... so faust pointing it out, is like for sure only useful... and at a minimum, at least not skummy.

That's a big assumption. The fact that at least some if not all hosts can resurrect means that the "one host alive" requirement can't actually lead to a game state where the game is unwinnable for either side, since we can just resurrect a town host and then we win. So the mafia win con could be any number of things, but the simplest assumption is its just "all town dead", right?

I agree with you that faust isn't neccesarily scummy for bringing it up, but I don't follow your logic.

ok actually yes, that was not thought all the way through I suppose. The hosts are the ones that can try to bring themselves back (which is where I was going with the win con concept)... but because it is the hosts that have to be dead to bring themselves back... yeah - it is a stretch.

[faust]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hey ya’ll-

I’m going away for the weekend (my first time sleeping away from my house since February!!) so I’ll be scarce today and tomorrow. I’m in rather desperate need of an unplug and restart.  I’ll have plenty of time to catch up on Sunday evening, though.

Happy Friday! Take good care of yourselves. xoxo

[scolapasta]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

[scolapasta]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

[MiX]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.

[faust]

Hey Swowl, what's your read on LaLight?

[hypercube]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.

The possibility of a traitor gives them cover not to I suppose.

[Swowl]

Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

No one thinks there may just be Mafia Host + Mafia Human type combo? I know someone said it would be OP earlier on, but upon the Traitor thing being brought up I started thinking about it and it wouldn't be that over powered I do not think. I guess it doesn't matter really, just kind of thinking out loud.
Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

Mafia's already unsure, as they might have to accept.

The possibility of a traitor gives them cover not to I suppose.

[Swowl]

Hey Swowl, what's your read on LaLight?

Only thing I know for like pretty much certain is if there is a traitor it is not him. -null
I do not understand the claiming of their on wagon off wagon thing. - null/skumish
They also are doing a good job of talking about nothing.  - skumish


So, read would be... on radar?

Why LL? bc dream paring thing?

[faust]

Hey Swowl, what's your read on LaLight?

Only thing I know for like pretty much certain is if there is a traitor it is not him. -null
I do not understand the claiming of their on wagon off wagon thing. - null/skumish
They also are doing a good job of talking about nothing.  - skumish


So, read would be... on radar?

Why LL? bc dream paring thing?

Because they're the only person you spent a significant amount of time talking to this game.

[LaLight]

Hey Swowl, what's your read on LaLight?

Only thing I know for like pretty much certain is if there is a traitor it is not him. -null
I do not understand the claiming of their on wagon off wagon thing. - null/skumish
They also are doing a good job of talking about nothing.  - skumish


So, read would be... on radar?

Why LL? bc dream paring thing?

Because they're the only person you spent a significant amount of time talking to this game.

did he? i didn't notice really

[LaLight]

right, so faust is town after all

[LaLight]

how about vote: scola

[MiX]

did he? i didn't notice really

Not really.

right, so faust is town after all

Yes, but for all the wrong reasons.

how about vote: scola

Eeeeeeh no. I don't think we can read day 1 scola correctly. You think this is his first scum game?

[LaLight]

did he? i didn't notice really

Not really.

right, so faust is town after all

Yes, but for all the wrong reasons.

how about vote: scola

Eeeeeeh no. I don't think we can read day 1 scola correctly. You think this is his first scum game?

why do you think it's not? And how do you know we can't read him correctly if this might be his first scum game?

[MiX]

I took a quick look at Swowl's posts and a lot of them are talking to ADK.

I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a case for him being scum?

[LaLight]

I took a quick look at Swowl's posts and a lot of them are talking to ADK.

I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a case for him being scum?

no, not really. i just looked at a players list and his name stick to me

[A Drowned Kernel]

I took a quick look at Swowl's posts and a lot of them are talking to ADK.

I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a case for him being scum?

scola is mildly scummy in that he's currently voting for faust, who is towny

[MiX]

I took a quick look at Swowl's posts and a lot of them are talking to ADK.

I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a case for him being scum?

scola is mildly scummy in that he's currently voting for faust, who is towny

Pfft. I'm biased against voting faust or I would be doing the same.

[LaLight]

I took a quick look at Swowl's posts and a lot of them are talking to ADK.

I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a case for him being scum?

scola is mildly scummy in that he's currently voting for faust, who is towny

Pfft. I'm biased against voting faust or I would be doing the same.

who said you're not scummy? I'd go back to you any time if that gives traction

[LaLight]

takes traction? what's the correct form?

[MiX]

Isn't it gains traction?

I might be scummy but I'm not scum. Which is around the opposite of Glooble.

[WestCoastDidds]

Gains traction or gets traction. (I am continually awed by you multilingual folks)

I don’t know that MiX has been scummy...he’s been busier than usual.

My Scola meter is broken...if he’s scum I’m not sure how he’s being different.

Glooble seems the most compelling wagon at the moment...

[mail-mi]

I'm still following along, don't have much to say. Still like my vote on hyper.

[faust]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

[faust]

But sure, Vote: scolapasta

[mail-mi]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

I'm considering the nexile option, and I'm wondering if it's not a bad idea. Id have to think more about It though.

[Awaclus]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

Why is nexiling a good idea again?

[scolapasta]

how about vote: scola

Eeeeeeh no. I don't think we can read day 1 scola correctly. You think this is his first scum game?

why do you think it's not? And how do you know we can't read him correctly if this might be his first scum game?

My Scola meter is broken...if he’s scum I’m not sure how he’s being different.

Quotes about me above.

This is my ninth (and my only current) game. I have yet to be scum. It makes me frustrated because I want to be scum.

What will scumapasta look like? who knows? many of these games, people have thought I was scum (been exiles both D1 and D2), so maybe I'm just working on my meta? (in reality, I'm just not very good at this, but I prefer the meta explanation )

But this game? Not scum. I've already had a D1 exile game, so no need to repeat that.

re: faust, I think his win condition question was scummy, and laid out my reasoning above. I'm willing to hear reasoning why it's not scummy.

[faust]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

Why is nexiling a good idea again?

Gives us more time to make decision based on the actions of our PRs, prevents claims which would allow scum to make better decisions with their nightkill, and increases the chance of them hitting a Host with the Nightkill which would be very good indeed.

[MiX]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

Why is nexiling a good idea again?

Gives us more time to make decision based on the actions of our PRs, prevents claims which would allow scum to make better decisions with their nightkill, and increases the chance of them hitting a Host with the Nightkill which would be very good indeed.

Gives us worse targets for our PRs, doesn't allow claims that would help solve the game sooner, and increases the chance of scum hitting a Human with the NK which would be very bad indeed.

You know, not to mention D2 just becomes D1 again, and we can't exile scum.

[faust]

We can still Nexile. I'm not in love with any of the wagons we have right now.

Why is nexiling a good idea again?

Gives us more time to make decision based on the actions of our PRs, prevents claims which would allow scum to make better decisions with their nightkill, and increases the chance of them hitting a Host with the Nightkill which would be very good indeed.

Gives us worse targets for our PRs, doesn't allow claims that would help solve the game sooner, and increases the chance of scum hitting a Human with the NK which would be very bad indeed.

You know, not to mention D2 just becomes D1 again, and we can't exile scum.

If you think early claims are good, why aren't you pushing for a massclaim? How does nexiling increase the odds of scum hitting a human?

[MiX]

An organic day gives town information, and a bit of claiming here and there when it's necessary can sometimes help PRs make better decisions.

And if we exile a human, the odds of scum hitting a human are lower.

[WestCoastDidds]

I got stung by a freaking scorpion today. A scorpion! That’s like a science victim beast that lives in nightmares. I am not pleased.

I am not completely opposed to noxile. It’s better than incorrexile, but not as a good correxile, obvi. I’m still leaving toward the Glooble wagon among the current consolidation efforts, but I can’t say I have a strong scum read on him at all. Just not a strong town read, which is the norm for him with me.

[faust]

An organic day gives town information, and a bit of claiming here and there when it's necessary can sometimes help PRs make better decisions.

And if we exile a human, the odds of scum hitting a human are lower.

Lol yeah, if we do scum's job for them then they don't have to do it anymore. A bit of claiming here and there can also out PRs and prevent them from making any meaningful decisions.

[Archetype]

Glooble has replaced jotheonah

Day 1 deadline has been extended by 4 hours to compensate while keeping it at a reasonable stopping point for my time zone. Day 1 now ends July 14th at 3:01 am Forum Time.

[faust]

Glooble has replaced jotheonah

Day 1 deadline has been extended by 4 hours to compensate while keeping it at a reasonable stopping point for my time zone. Day 1 now ends July 14th at 3:01 am Forum Time.

I'm confused... should this be the other way around?

[LaLight]

Glooble has replaced jotheonah

Day 1 deadline has been extended by 4 hours to compensate while keeping it at a reasonable stopping point for my time zone. Day 1 now ends July 14th at 3:01 am Forum Time.

I'm confused... should this be the other way around?

does it matter if you really can't tell a difference? ;)

[LaLight]

I guess, I am not really against nexile

[MiX]

Well...I guess I don't have a scumread anymore.

Vote: No Exile

[MiX]

Eh it's actually close for the day to end earlier.

Unvote

Hey joth why aren't you scum?

[Awaclus]

Gives us more time to make decision based on the actions of our PRs, prevents claims which would allow scum to make better decisions with their nightkill, and increases the chance of them hitting a Host with the Nightkill which would be very good indeed.

What we know about hosts is that they don't flip their alignment and we need at least one town host alive. It doesn't sound obvious that it's even beneficial at all for town if a host gets NK'd.

[faust]

Gives us more time to make decision based on the actions of our PRs, prevents claims which would allow scum to make better decisions with their nightkill, and increases the chance of them hitting a Host with the Nightkill which would be very good indeed.

What we know about hosts is that they don't flip their alignment and we need at least one town host alive. It doesn't sound obvious that it's even beneficial at all for town if a host gets NK'd.

The good thing would be that that way we can be pretty sure of their alignment if they are nightkilled. And we know that at least one town Host can be revived, so it's not a big problem that we need one of them alive I think.

[hypercube]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

This is most likely a townslip (unless the scum team is all humans or all hosts, in which case it's a scumslip).

But sure, Vote: scolapasta

This is a scummy vote.

[jotheonah]

Eh it's actually close for the day to end earlier.

Unvote

Hey joth why aren't you scum?

I'm gonna need about a day to catch up before I can give you a good answer.

If I were scum, I'd probably need two days cause I'd have a whole QT to read.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.5

faust (3): Awaclus, hypercube, scolapasta
MiX (1):  LaLight
hypercube (2): jotheonah, mail-mi
scolapasta(1): faust
jotheonah (2): Swowl, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, Mix

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 4:01 am Forum Time (~40 hrs)

Glooble has replaced jotheonah

Day 1 deadline has been extended by 4 hours to compensate while keeping it at a reasonable stopping point for my time zone. Day 1 now ends July 14th at 3:01 am Forum Time.

I'm confused... should this be the other way around?

The direction is correct, but ending at 4:01 am
not 3:01am

[WestCoastDidds]

Howdy, Joth!

How have you been? What did your catching up read reveal?

[mail-mi]

We've got about a day and a half to deadline, and not many real wagons except for faust. It would be novel to lynch faust D1 (has it ever happened before?) but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I still like my vote on hypercube, and I should reread joth. I'd be willing to nexile, I think, though I'd rather lynch hypercube over nexile.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We've got about a day and a half to deadline, and not many real wagons except for faust. It would be novel to lynch faust D1 (has it ever happened before?) but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I still like my vote on hypercube, and I should reread joth. I'd be willing to nexile, I think, though I'd rather lynch hypercube over nexile.

That snuck up on me. I'm not opposed to exiling cube but why do we have to settle for an existing wagon?

[mail-mi]

We've got about a day and a half to deadline, and not many real wagons except for faust. It would be novel to lynch faust D1 (has it ever happened before?) but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I still like my vote on hypercube, and I should reread joth. I'd be willing to nexile, I think, though I'd rather lynch hypercube over nexile.

That snuck up on me. I'm not opposed to exiling cube but why do we have to settle for an existing wagon?

I was commenting on the existing wagons. Who else do you have in mind?

[faust]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

This is most likely a townslip (unless the scum team is all humans or all hosts, in which case it's a scumslip).

But sure, Vote: scolapasta

This is a scummy vote.

But why is it? Because disagreeing with you is scummy?

[faust]

how about vote: scola

I think your vote didn't count.

[faust]

We've got about a day and a half to deadline, and not many real wagons except for faust. It would be novel to lynch faust D1 (has it ever happened before?) but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I still like my vote on hypercube, and I should reread joth. I'd be willing to nexile, I think, though I'd rather lynch hypercube over nexile.

It happened before. And you hammered me then! I'm offended that you forgot, it's only like 6.5 years ago!

[MiX]

I'm down for joth or faust.

Any other ideas?

[hypercube]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

This is most likely a townslip (unless the scum team is all humans or all hosts, in which case it's a scumslip).

But sure, Vote: scolapasta

This is a scummy vote.

But why is it? Because disagreeing with you is scummy?

It seemed to me that once LL voted for scola you felt like you could drop a OMGUS vote against them for voting you here:

tldr:  Vote: faust

[hypercube]

I'm down for joth or faust.

Any other ideas?

joth, faust, and mail-mi are the options I think are better than no exile.

[faust]

Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

This is most likely a townslip (unless the scum team is all humans or all hosts, in which case it's a scumslip).

But sure, Vote: scolapasta

This is a scummy vote.

But why is it? Because disagreeing with you is scummy?

It seemed to me that once LL voted for scola you felt like you could drop a OMGUS vote against them for voting you here:

tldr:  Vote: faust

Very observing. But you didn't answer my question.

[faust]

I'm down for joth or faust.

Any other ideas?

ADK.

[LaLight]

how about vote: scola

I think your vote didn't count.

uhoh

Vote: scolapasta

[A Drowned Kernel]

We've got about a day and a half to deadline, and not many real wagons except for faust. It would be novel to lynch faust D1 (has it ever happened before?) but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I still like my vote on hypercube, and I should reread joth. I'd be willing to nexile, I think, though I'd rather lynch hypercube over nexile.

That snuck up on me. I'm not opposed to exiling cube but why do we have to settle for an existing wagon?

I was commenting on the existing wagons. Who else do you have in mind?

Off the top of my head, swowl has been quieter this game than I'm used to from him. In wouldn't be uncomfortable voting there

[jotheonah]

Howdy, Joth!

How have you been? What did your catching up read reveal?

Still working on it. How's the scorpion sting? Very thematic.

[faust]

Howdy, Joth!

How have you been? What did your catching up read reveal?

Still working on it. How's the scorpion sting? Very thematic.

You're taking more than a day? So by your own admission, you're scum!

Vote: jotheonah

[jotheonah]

Really goozled myself on that one. Gonna say I meant one business day.

[MiX]

Howdy, Joth!

How have you been? What did your catching up read reveal?

Still working on it. How's the scorpion sting? Very thematic.

You're taking more than a day? So by your own admission, you're scum!

Vote: jotheonah

Yeah I was gonna say this eventually.

Does that mean you're town?

Vote: joth

[jotheonah]

Ok,  re-read done but damn... I have no idea who's scum. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the setup and altogether it's just a lot to be thrown into with short notice.

I have a handful of town reads. I don't think the faust wagon is scummy, but I didn't especially find faust scummy. I do think the me wagon is scummy (could be a bit biased). I wouldn't have made Glooble's case on hyper, but at least I'm in the position of knowing it's sincere.

[mail-mi]

Ok,  re-read done but damn... I have no idea who's scum. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the setup and altogether it's just a lot to be thrown into with short notice.

I have a handful of town reads. I don't think the faust wagon is scummy, but I didn't especially find faust scummy. I do think the me wagon is scummy (could be a bit biased). I wouldn't have made Glooble's case on hyper, but at least I'm in the position of knowing it's sincere.

I wonder if this might be a good reason for nexile as well, to get some sense of what the setup is and get night actions.

I should iso hyper and see if I still find him scummy.

[scolapasta]

I still prefer an exile to a noexile - especially since we have a potential reverse for misexiles (hosts / maintenance). Though we don't know how many hosts have maintenance, so there may be just one.

[WestCoastDidds]

Howdy, Joth!

How have you been? What did your catching up read reveal?

Still working on it. How's the scorpion sting? Very thematic.

It hurt like good golly hell for about half an hour, then it was mostly gone except my skin in one of the places felt kind of raw. Thinking about that creepy thing crawling around on me gives me the willies. I do not want to be on theme!

[WestCoastDidds]

So, for all intents and purposes, deadline is when most of us go to bed at night...I guess LaLi, MiX, and Faust would be around at 4am forum time.

So, we pretty much have today?

I’m not feeling the Faust or Scola wagons. I’m willing to give Joth a minute because what I found scummy about glooble was his disengagement.

I don’t mind a Vote: Hypercube if we prefer an exile to not, but I don’t have compelling reasons beyond a desire for consolidation

[hypercube]

Vote: joth X-1

[Awaclus]

I haven't really had a reason to look at joth more closely this game, which is to say that I'm probably fine with exing him.

This has not been an announcement to intent to hammer.

[mail-mi]

I just iso'd hyper and I'm keeping my vote on him.

Nothing really stood out except he's been eager to be the second or third person on a wagon (like nexile or faust) but hasn't really struck out on new territory. This late in the game it's not a bad idea (his joth vote isn't super scummy in the spirit of consolidation) but in the early game he hasn't really had much to say.

[LaLight]

Vote: MiX

[jotheonah]

whoa I'm at X-1? really?

what exactly is the case on me? I didn't see anyone articulate one at all during my re-read...

[jotheonah]

MiX and faust's votes kinda looked like joke votes. You guys fine with leaving those where they are?

[scolapasta]

whoa I'm at X-1? really?

what exactly is the case on me? I didn't see anyone articulate one at all during my re-read...

I'm also surprised this got to X-1 so quickly.

[MiX]

Glooble was scummy man!

Vote: LaLight

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: joth X-1

This vote, immediately after didds votes for cube, is pretty darn scummy

Vote: Hypercube

[mail-mi]

Okay so we have under 12 hours but nothing is happening. I'll be asleep because 4am FT is 2am my time and I will be asleep.

Where is everyone? I feel like it's gonna be either joth, hyper, or nexile. I like my vote on hyper still.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.6

faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
MiX (1):  LaLight
hypercube (4): jotheonah, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel
LaLight (1): MiX
jotheonah (3): Swowl, Faust, hypercube

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 4:01 am Forum Time (~6 hrs 15 min)

[Swowl]

Vote: joth X-1

This vote, immediately after didds votes for cube, is pretty darn scummy

Vote: Hypercube

how is that skummy there? 3v3 with however long until DL (close-ish). why would that not be chalked up to self-prez?

[Swowl]

I am back from camping btw. catching up, did not realize it was so close to DL.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: joth X-1

This vote, immediately after didds votes for cube, is pretty darn scummy

Vote: Hypercube

how is that skummy there? 3v3 with however long until DL (close-ish). why would that not be chalked up to self-prez?

Because hypercube wasn't actually close to being exiled, so it isn't really self-preservation

[mail-mi]

Okay our Europe people are gonna have a busy time at EOD.

[WestCoastDidds]

This feels like an unexpected stall. I figured there would be far more talking this evening. Huh.

At first giance this makes me wonder about the wagons. Are we stalled because there is a scum wagon? Wouldn’t the buddies being working harder to come up with an alternative? Well, in second thought...faust, MiX, LaLi, hypercube, and Awaclus are all in Europe and at least half of them probably like sleeping at night (Awa and Mix might never sleep.) So maybe it’s just a down time of day?

But yeah...I’m going to bed soon and won’t be up in the early am hours. Zzzzzzzz....

[faust]

So like two hours? Who has a chance to be online?

me, Awaclus, MiX, LaLight, hypercube... right?

So that's like 5 with 6 to exile. Meaning the only players available to exile are joth and hyper.

[faust]

Would have loved to exile ADK, will definitely not exile hyper.

[LaLight]

alright, there's a protown thing to do, I guess.

I can do a thing. If we exile a host, I can do so that they stay alive and instead a person I vote for is exiled. So basically we can exile anybody but only if we exile a host.

[LaLight]

because I really don't like the options we have. But I like MiX/ADK

[faust]

alright, there's a protown thing to do, I guess.

I can do a thing. If we exile a host, I can do so that they stay alive and instead a person I vote for is exiled. So basically we can exile anybody but only if we exile a host.

Well, I'm not sure I'm comfortable getting hyper exiled on the offchance that he's a Host.

[faust]

I might be convinced if you promise to do ADK.

[LaLight]

alright, there's a protown thing to do, I guess.

I can do a thing. If we exile a host, I can do so that they stay alive and instead a person I vote for is exiled. So basically we can exile anybody but only if we exile a host.

Well, I'm not sure I'm comfortable getting hyper exiled on the offchance that he's a Host.

what happened to your nexile plan?

[faust]

alright, there's a protown thing to do, I guess.

I can do a thing. If we exile a host, I can do so that they stay alive and instead a person I vote for is exiled. So basically we can exile anybody but only if we exile a host.

Well, I'm not sure I'm comfortable getting hyper exiled on the offchance that he's a Host.

what happened to your nexile plan?

ADK was sufficiently scummy.

[LaLight]

it'd an hour left. If no one shows up you and me can only lynch hyper.

[Swowl]

I am somehow present - just a heads up.

PPE2

[Swowl]

also super not a fan of the hyper situation.

[faust]

Maybe hyper has time to come in and claim host/human.

[faust]

also super not a fan of the hyper situation.

What exactly do you mean by that?

[Swowl]

also super not a fan of the hyper situation.

What exactly do you mean by that?

I mean I do not want to lynch hyper.

[faust]

Vote: ADK

[Swowl]

Maybe hyper has time to come in and claim host/human.

With the players available to get a lynch that is *not* cube off here... why would that matter?

[LaLight]

Vote: ADK

what's the point?

[LaLight]

Maybe hyper has time to come in and claim host/human.

With the players available to get a lynch that is *not* cube off here... why would that matter?

If hyper is a host, then I can activate my power to save them and exile anyone I am voting for when they're exed.

[Swowl]

so if they are host you could nix mix?

[LaLight]

so if they are host you could nix mix?

exactly

[Swowl]

so if they are host you could nix mix?

exactly

what does "save them" mean? lynchproof or they have to be nixed?

[Swowl]

exile proof - whatever mb

[LaLight]

so if they are host you could nix mix?

exactly

what does "save them" mean? lynchproof or they have to be nixed?

they get 6 votes, exile happens, but instead of cube, whoever

[Swowl]

so if they are host you could nix mix?

exactly

what does "save them" mean? lynchproof or they have to be nixed?

they get 6 votes, exile happens, but instead of cube, whoever

did MiX claim not host and I missed it?

[LaLight]

it doesn't matter if MiX is a host, it matters that cube is or isn't. I can save only hosts

[Swowl]

it doesn't matter if MiX is a host, it matters that cube is or isn't. I can save only hosts

but cube could be a host and skum. and mix could be a host and town. so if the logic is to save a host to kill someone else... I just don't see the value in this I guess?

[LaLight]

it doesn't matter if MiX is a host, it matters that cube is or isn't. I can save only hosts

but cube could be a host and skum. and mix could be a host and town. so if the logic is to save a host to kill someone else... I just don't see the value in this I guess?

yes. The value is that faust said we don't have the numbers to exile anyone other than joth/cube and I said, well, actually we do have a loophole.

Also, oh well. If I save someone, my power gets slightly stronger.

[Swowl]

it doesn't matter if MiX is a host, it matters that cube is or isn't. I can save only hosts

but cube could be a host and skum. and mix could be a host and town. so if the logic is to save a host to kill someone else... I just don't see the value in this I guess?

yes. The value is that faust said we don't have the numbers to exile anyone other than joth/cube and I said, well, actually we do have a loophole.

Also, oh well. If I save someone, my power gets slightly stronger.

ok I will play.
What happens if you use it one someone that is not a host (or whatever - answer that to the best you see fit)

[LaLight]

so I guess now it's nexile or lynch hyper hoping he's a host and we lynch X (ADK?) or hyper gets lynched being not a host.

[faust]

Vote: ADK

what's the point?

I didn't account for Swowl when considering the viability of other exiles. he's here, in theory it's possible to get an ADK exile if everyone shows up.

[LaLight]

it doesn't matter if MiX is a host, it matters that cube is or isn't. I can save only hosts

but cube could be a host and skum. and mix could be a host and town. so if the logic is to save a host to kill someone else... I just don't see the value in this I guess?

yes. The value is that faust said we don't have the numbers to exile anyone other than joth/cube and I said, well, actually we do have a loophole.

Also, oh well. If I save someone, my power gets slightly stronger.

ok I will play.
What happens if you use it one someone that is not a host (or whatever - answer that to the best you see fit)

well, it doesn't work and the person gets exiled anyway

[LaLight]

Vote: ADK

what's the point?

I didn't account for Swowl when considering the viability of other exiles. he's here, in theory it's possible to get an ADK exile if everyone shows up.

I wouldn't hope for that given we have 20 minutes. So it's either my power or noexile

[LaLight]

I might be convinced if you promise to do ADK.

oh, I missed this. Sure, Vote: ADK

[Swowl]

Vote: ADK

what's the point?

I didn't account for Swowl when considering the viability of other exiles. he's here, in theory it's possible to get an ADK exile if everyone shows up.

I wouldn't hope for that given we have 20 minutes. So it's either my power or noexile

So there is no downside to you using your power on someone that is not a host? that seems... not right.

[Swowl]

ok why not

Vote: ADK

[LaLight]

Vote: ADK

what's the point?

I didn't account for Swowl when considering the viability of other exiles. he's here, in theory it's possible to get an ADK exile if everyone shows up.

I wouldn't hope for that given we have 20 minutes. So it's either my power or noexile

So there is no downside to you using your power on someone that is not a host? that seems... not right.

well, it wouldn't work, I wasted it and I didn't become slightly stronger.

[LaLight]

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

[LaLight]

exiled. sorry.

[Swowl]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

[LaLight]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

well, I'm ok with MiX more, but if you and faust won't play along, nothing happens, so if faust is only convinced to go if it's ADK, ADK it is then.

[LaLight]

less than 10 minutes

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.7

faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
hypercube (4): jotheonah, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel
LaLight (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): hypercube
A Drowned Kernel (3): faust, LaLight, Swowl

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive it takes 6 to Exile. Day 1 lasts until July 14th, 4:01 am Forum Time (~10 min)

[Swowl]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

well, I'm ok with MiX more, but if you and faust won't play along, nothing happens, so if faust is only convinced to go if it's ADK, ADK it is then.

assuming this is good based on your Day 1 read of cube being both host and town?

[LaLight]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

well, I'm ok with MiX more, but if you and faust won't play along, nothing happens, so if faust is only convinced to go if it's ADK, ADK it is then.

assuming this is good based on your Day 1 read of cube being both host and town?

I have no idea or read if he's a host. But I am somewhat inclined to believe, cube is a misexile, given some of the people on wagon. This is somewhat of a gamble still

[Swowl]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

well, I'm ok with MiX more, but if you and faust won't play along, nothing happens, so if faust is only convinced to go if it's ADK, ADK it is then.

assuming this is good based on your Day 1 read of cube being both host and town?

I have no idea or read if he's a host. But I am somewhat inclined to believe, cube is a misexile, given some of the people on wagon. This is somewhat of a gamble still

where do you post your comand?

[LaLight]

exiled. sorry.

shame

ok why not

Vote: ADK

still, the point is to lynch hyper and my vote makes it so ADK is lynched. We don't have the numbers to lynch ADK outright.

so you are equally ok with ADK or MiX as a potential alternative?

well, I'm ok with MiX more, but if you and faust won't play along, nothing happens, so if faust is only convinced to go if it's ADK, ADK it is then.

assuming this is good based on your Day 1 read of cube being both host and town?

I have no idea or read if he's a host. But I am somewhat inclined to believe, cube is a misexile, given some of the people on wagon. This is somewhat of a gamble still

where do you post your comand?

QT

[LaLight]

what, do you think this is my ploy to get cube lynched no matter what?

[LaLight]

exiled. I am sorry again.

[Swowl]

well I mean you gotta admit it would be a great skum play. he is host, you kill someone else like you said you would. He is not host, "oh no" they died. that being said I do actually believe you.

[faust]

LaLight: Your thing about being off-wagon is unrelated to this?

[Swowl]

LaLight: Your thing about being off-wagon is unrelated to this?

don't you do it.

[faust]

yolo

Vote: hyper

[LaLight]

LaLight: Your thing about being off-wagon is unrelated to this?

related. becoming stronger when saving and exiling someone else. I have two powers: this one makes the other one stronger.

[LaLight]

Swowl, 2 minutes.

[Swowl]

was that not it?

[Swowl]

fuck it

Vote: Hyper

[Swowl]

I don't even know why i did that. nothing good happens after midnight

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
hypercube (6): jotheonah, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, Faust, Swowl
LaLight (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): hypercube
A Drowned Kernel (1): LaLight

Not Voting (0):

[Archetype]

Chatter at the Mariposa culminated in a hurried elimination of one of Westworld’s newest members. Though a newcomer, this individual knew the park better than its locales knew themselves...


hypercube has been Exiled. They were Charlotte Hale, a Town Human.

Night 1 Start!

Night actions due by July 15th at 6pm Forum Time. Day 2 will begin July 16th at 2am Forum Time

[Archetype]

22 hour warning for providing Night Actions

[Archetype]

On the outskirts of Westworld, a small group of park attendees ventured in hot pursuit of a high valued bandit. An excursion of a lifetime for newcomers, hunting party Teddy Flood was guaranteed to meet the same fate he always did. Out of nowhere, the sound of a gunshot rang through the air. An unseen bullet whizzed past and struck Teddy in the chest, killing him.

jotheonah has been killed. He was Teddy Flood, the Host.

Day 2 Start!



Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (9): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, faust, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 lasts until July 23rd, 2:10 am Forum Time


Thread Unlocked!

[faust]

Ah, we should have exiled joth.

Let's continue where we left off.

Vote: A Drowned Kernel

[Swowl]

Ah, we should have exiled joth.

Let's continue where we left off.

Vote: A Drowned Kernel

? pretty likely Joth = town given they were the nk right? why would it of been better to exile them?

[faust]

Ah, we should have exiled joth.

Let's continue where we left off.

Vote: A Drowned Kernel

? pretty likely Joth = town given they were the nk right? why would it of been better to exile them?

Well he's a host, so LaLight could have done their thing and changed the exile to ADK.

[faust]

Not even sure joth was a mafia kill also. That is a decidedly weird choice.

[MiX]

Why did we exile cube?

Wasn't it obvious we should've no exiled given that EoD?

Vote: faust

[faust]

Why did we exile cube?

Wasn't it obvious we should've no exiled given that EoD?

Vote: faust

It was a gamble on cube being a host so we could exile ADK.

[MiX]

Why did we exile cube?

Wasn't it obvious we should've no exiled given that EoD?

Vote: faust

It was a gamble on cube being a host so we could exile ADK.

Why gamble? Why is ADK so scummy cube has to die?

Why would you GAMBLE WITH HYPERCUBE'S LIFE? How did you not wait for him to claim human/host, and how did you GAMBLE just to exile ADK?

That was the worst play regardless of anything. You know better. You are not town.

[MiX]

You're the same person that said no exile was good. Yet you went through a great trouble just to exile your scumread. Why? If ADK's host we wouldn't win anything either.

You're just being really dumb right now and contradicting yourself. This is not the faust I want alive.

[faust]

Why would you GAMBLE WITH HYPERCUBE'S LIFE? How did you not wait for him to claim human/host, and how did you GAMBLE just to exile ADK?

I waited for him, in fact I didn't vote until like 3 minutes to deadline. I also didn't gamble just to exile ADK, but also to power up LaLight.

[LaLight]

we couldn't exile joth at the end of that day

[LaLight]

also guys, i got really sick, probably not corona though, but my activity level might drop because i mostly sleep and try to recover

[faust]

You're the same person that said no exile was good. Yet you went through a great trouble just to exile your scumread. Why? If ADK's host we wouldn't win anything either.

You're just being really dumb right now and contradicting yourself. This is not the faust I want alive.

Well, I felt like the game needed something to happen. You are of course free to policy vote me but it's not particularly helpful either.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi!

LaLight, I’m sorry that you are not feeling well.  I hope that you get well soon! I wish that I could bring you soup.

Well that was a weird EOD. It’s a bummer that the ploy didn’t work out to buff LL, and although he’s a prickly pineapple, I don’t think faust is scummy for making it happen, or Swowl either really, although the ill considered nature of the last minute exile was funny to read as a retrospective. But really, those of us who went to bed with votes on anyone enabled an exile over nexile, so I can’t grouse.

So, Joth can revive tomorrow? Assuming he finds a human?

[faust]

Hi!

LaLight, I’m sorry that you are not feeling well.  I hope that you get well soon! I wish that I could bring you soup.

Well that was a weird EOD. It’s a bummer that the ploy didn’t work out to buff LL, and although he’s a prickly pineapple, I don’t think faust is scummy for making it happen, or Swowl either really, although the ill considered nature of the last minute exile was funny to read as a retrospective. But really, those of us who went to bed with votes on anyone enabled an exile over nexile, so I can’t grouse.

So, Joth can revive tomorrow? Assuming he finds a human?

Assuming he finds a human and that human deems him worthy of living, yes.

[MiX]

You're the same person that said no exile was good. Yet you went through a great trouble just to exile your scumread. Why? If ADK's host we wouldn't win anything either.

You're just being really dumb right now and contradicting yourself. This is not the faust I want alive.

Well, I felt like the game needed something to happen. You are of course free to policy vote me but it's not particularly helpful either.

No it didn't. What did we gain? You Swowl and LL exiled town. I'm holding you 3 accountable for this mess.

And I truly think you're scum thinking you can be smarter than town.

[LaLight]

let's return to Vote: MiX

His righteous anger doesn't feel genuine in the slightest

[MiX]

let's return to Vote: MiX

His righteous anger doesn't feel genuine in the slightest

Well it is, so.

You went along with that crazy plan just for selfish reasons too. If it were that important you'd ask for a host claim.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: LaLight

for trying to dayvig me in my sleep

Those eod shenanigans were terrible, no-exile would have been better than what happened, and I'm sorry I had my vote on hypercube to help

[faust]

You're the same person that said no exile was good. Yet you went through a great trouble just to exile your scumread. Why? If ADK's host we wouldn't win anything either.

You're just being really dumb right now and contradicting yourself. This is not the faust I want alive.

Well, I felt like the game needed something to happen. You are of course free to policy vote me but it's not particularly helpful either.

No it didn't. What did we gain? You Swowl and LL exiled town. I'm holding you 3 accountable for this mess.

And I truly think you're scum thinking you can be smarter than town.

There were 4 other people on this wagon too, do they not need to be held accountable? It is their fault that no exile other than hyper was possible.

[MiX]

You're the same person that said no exile was good. Yet you went through a great trouble just to exile your scumread. Why? If ADK's host we wouldn't win anything either.

You're just being really dumb right now and contradicting yourself. This is not the faust I want alive.

Well, I felt like the game needed something to happen. You are of course free to policy vote me but it's not particularly helpful either.

No it didn't. What did we gain? You Swowl and LL exiled town. I'm holding you 3 accountable for this mess.

And I truly think you're scum thinking you can be smarter than town.

There were 4 other people on this wagon too, do they not need to be held accountable? It is their fault that no exile other than hyper was possible.

No, that would be everyone's fault. Every vote or lack thereof contributed to hyper's exile.

Only you 3 decided 4 votes = exile.

[faust]

Vote: LaLight

for trying to dayvig me in my sleep

Those eod shenanigans were terrible, no-exile would have been better than what happened, and I'm sorry I had my vote on hypercube to help

Would no exile also have been better without shenanigans? If so, why was your vote on hyper in the first place? If not, why do they make a difference?

[faust]

Why did you change your vote to someone with no votes and then left for the Day, MiX?

[MiX]

Why did you change your vote to someone with no votes and then left for the Day, MiX?

I wanted no exile.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: LaLight

for trying to dayvig me in my sleep

Those eod shenanigans were terrible, no-exile would have been better than what happened, and I'm sorry I had my vote on hypercube to help

Would no exile also have been better without shenanigans? If so, why was your vote on hyper in the first place? If not, why do they make a difference?

I'm mostly upset about 3 people conspiring to try and get me "exiled" when no one else is voting for me, how is that helpful? I'm not honestly sure if no-exile would have been better, it's just frustrating that you and swowl were willing to vote for someone you didn't really have a scumread on to try and get me killed

[faust]

Why did you change your vote to someone with no votes and then left for the Day, MiX?

I wanted no exile.

That's a pretty signficant misspelling...

[scolapasta]

Hi!

LaLight, I’m sorry that you are not feeling well.  I hope that you get well soon! I wish that I could bring you soup.

Well that was a weird EOD. It’s a bummer that the ploy didn’t work out to buff LL, and although he’s a prickly pineapple, I don’t think faust is scummy for making it happen, or Swowl either really, although the ill considered nature of the last minute exile was funny to read as a retrospective. But really, those of us who went to bed with votes on anyone enabled an exile over nexile, so I can’t grouse.

So, Joth can revive tomorrow? Assuming he finds a human?

Didds is a host, clearly, as she's been infect by the "Random Words Mafia" virus.

(and this is a joke, I have no reason to beleive human or host from her)

I also don't like the shenanigans at the end of D1. Though I agree with Lalight too that Mix's indignation seems out of character. So basically lots of vote targets for me. Not sure which more, so am not choosing one just yet.

One thing no one brought up D1 is theme. This is, I think, my 2nd "established universe" game. Can we learn anything from the them itself? I didn't bring it up, because I was still watching S1 and not wanting to get spoiled. Have now finished.

So has everyone else watched? I don't think we're ready to claim character names, as that would reveal host vs human. One thought I had was for everyone to speculate on how the scum team represents*. But not sure how useful that would be if you haven't watched the show.

* would this be at all something -  do most "established universe" games have random collections of characters for scum or are they thematic? i.e. would a Lord of the Rings themed game, have the town all be members of the fellowship, and the mafia be orcs, or Sauron, etc?

[faust]

One thing no one brought up D1 is theme. This is, I think, my 2nd "established universe" game. Can we learn anything from the them itself? I didn't bring it up, because I was still watching S1 and not wanting to get spoiled. Have now finished.

So has everyone else watched? I don't think we're ready to claim character names, as that would reveal host vs human. One thought I had was for everyone to speculate on how the scum team represents*. But not sure how useful that would be if you haven't watched the show.

It’s important to note that a character’s relative ‘goodness’ in the show has no bearing on their relative ‘goodness’ in this game as Character Names are assigned relatively independently of Alignment.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hi!

LaLight, I’m sorry that you are not feeling well.  I hope that you get well soon! I wish that I could bring you soup.

Well that was a weird EOD. It’s a bummer that the ploy didn’t work out to buff LL, and although he’s a prickly pineapple, I don’t think faust is scummy for making it happen, or Swowl either really, although the ill considered nature of the last minute exile was funny to read as a retrospective. But really, those of us who went to bed with votes on anyone enabled an exile over nexile, so I can’t grouse.

So, Joth can revive tomorrow? Assuming he finds a human?

Didds is a host, clearly, as she's been infect by the "Random Words Mafia" virus.

(and this is a joke, I have no reason to beleive human or host from her)

I also don't like the shenanigans at the end of D1. Though I agree with Lalight too that Mix's indignation seems out of character. So basically lots of vote targets for me. Not sure which more, so am not choosing one just yet.

One thing no one brought up D1 is theme. This is, I think, my 2nd "established universe" game. Can we learn anything from the them itself? I didn't bring it up, because I was still watching S1 and not wanting to get spoiled. Have now finished.

So has everyone else watched? I don't think we're ready to claim character names, as that would reveal host vs human. One thought I had was for everyone to speculate on how the scum team represents*. But not sure how useful that would be if you haven't watched the show.

* would this be at all something -  do most "established universe" games have random collections of characters for scum or are they thematic? i.e. would a Lord of the Rings themed game, have the town all be members of the fellowship, and the mafia be orcs, or Sauron, etc?

My knowledge of the theme extends to "there are cowboys and robots"

[WestCoastDidds]

Why did you change your vote to someone with no votes and then left for the Day, MiX?

I wanted no exile.

That's a pretty signficant misspelling...

Ha!

I know nothing about the show beyond what Entertainment Weekly has written about it.

[WestCoastDidds]

@Scola.... yeah, I am pretty much made of random words in an everyday sort of way

[Awaclus]

Let's continue where we left off.

Vote: faust as requested.

[mail-mi]

I think I want to Vote: MiX I agree with the crowd about MiX's indignation.

[MiX]

Why did you change your vote to someone with no votes and then left for the Day, MiX?

I wanted no exile.

That's a pretty signficant misspelling...

I didn't want the day to end faster. I literally said that D1, check it out. Obviously I was wrong to think that.

I think I want to Vote: MiX I agree with the crowd about MiX's indignation.

Gimme a break! Can I not say anything anymore? Better step back in line and repeat made-up sentences untill scum concedes, right?

Why oh why can't I be outraged for exiling my biggest townread out of a GAMBLE!

A god damn gamble! Imagine being hypercube right now.

Is no one else town here??

[faust]

Every exile is a gamble though. This is just a different kind.

Not to mention that hyper could have saved himself easily if he just showed up for the deadline. That he didn't is his fault.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Every exile is a gamble though. This is just a different kind.

Not to mention that hyper could have saved himself easily if he just showed up for the deadline. That he didn't is his fault.

There was an hour and a half between when lalight announced his ability and when hyper was exiled, and I don't know hyper's timezone off the top of my head but it was the middle of the night for people on the US

[faust]

Every exile is a gamble though. This is just a different kind.

Not to mention that hyper could have saved himself easily if he just showed up for the deadline. That he didn't is his fault.

There was an hour and a half between when lalight announced his ability and when hyper was exiled, and I don't know hyper's timezone off the top of my head but it was the middle of the night for people on the US

I think he's Europe-based. Also he was the leading wagon long before that. His lack of concern over that was what made me think he could be a host.

[MiX]

Every exile is a gamble though. This is just a different kind.

Not to mention that hyper could have saved himself easily if he just showed up for the deadline. That he didn't is his fault.

There was an hour and a half between when lalight announced his ability and when hyper was exiled, and I don't know hyper's timezone off the top of my head but it was the middle of the night for people on the US

I think he's Europe-based. Also he was the leading wagon long before that. His lack of concern over that was what made me think he could be a host.

I'm Europe and I was very much asleep for deadline.

Also how is it scummy for hyper to not defend himself?

Every exile is a gamble though. This is just a different kind.

Not to mention that hyper could have saved himself easily if he just showed up for the deadline. That he didn't is his fault.

No. This is all kinds of wrong.

[WestCoastDidds]

When he was last playing, he was based in Germany. Deadline in Germany would have been 10:00, so not super early. But also not a sure thing to have been around.

I don't think MiX is scummy for being pissed. The outrage happens...in this case it was probably annoying (because we were wrong) and surprising based on how the votes likely were before he went to bed.

I am definitely part of the problem. I figured we would nexile after seeing how little talk there was in the hours leading up to (sleeping before) the deadline, so I should have unvoted. Sorry, hyper.

[scolapasta]

I agree with MiX's being pissed, it just seems a little out of character to be so upset.

But I'm ok with

Vote: faust

[MiX]

I agree with MiX's being pissed, it just seems a little out of character to be so upset.

But I'm ok with

Vote: faust

I can go back in character if you want.

"Oh no my townread died, let's go in a VCA for the rest of today, boy that D1 was really good for scumhunting! Thanks town!"

But that's not what ferls right here.

[Swowl]

Not even sure joth was a mafia kill also. That is a decidedly weird choice.

This was the first thought I had at the start of day as well. At least in terms of it being weird.

[faust]

Vote: scolapasta

[WestCoastDidds]

Not even sure joth was a mafia kill also. That is a decidedly weird choice.

This was the first thought I had at the start of day as well. At least in terms of it being weird.

Who would it have more likely have been?

[scolapasta]

Vote: scolapasta

Yay, another check of my Mafia checklist: I've finally been OMGUSed by scum!

[MiX]

Vote: scolapasta

Yay, another check of my Mafia checklist: I've finally been OMGUSed by scum!

Wow. And here I thought you didn't know what faust's alignment is.

[Awaclus]

Wow. And here I thought you didn't know what faust's alignment is.

He's pretty clearly scum though.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 2.1

LaLight (1): A Drowned Kernel
MiX (2): LaLight, mail-mi
faust (3): MiX, Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): faust

Not Voting (2): Swowl, WestCoastDidds

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 lasts until July 23rd, 2:10 am Forum Time

[A Drowned Kernel]

At this point I'm going to say that the fact that didds and swowl aren't voting means that they're probably town

[faust]

Wow. And here I thought you didn't know what faust's alignment is.

He's pretty clearly scum though.

I'm pretty clearly town, actually.

[faust]

Don't cover for scum please, I have enough scumreads already.

[faust]

At this point I'm going to say that the fact that didds and swowl aren't voting means that they're probably town

And you, are you still fine with your vote? Do you think scum!LaLight has the power to redirect exiles?

[A Drowned Kernel]

At this point I'm going to say that the fact that didds and swowl aren't voting means that they're probably town

And you, are you still fine with your vote? Do you think scum!LaLight has the power to redirect exiles?

It's RMM, sure

[Awaclus]

Wow. And here I thought you didn't know what faust's alignment is.

He's pretty clearly scum though.

I'm pretty clearly town, actually.

No you're not.

[MiX]

At this point I'm going to say that the fact that didds and swowl aren't voting means that they're probably town

That's NAI. Reading into this is scummy.

This is kinda why people wanted you dead D1 you know.

[A Drowned Kernel]

At this point I'm going to say that the fact that didds and swowl aren't voting means that they're probably town

That's NAI. Reading into this is scummy.

This is kinda why people wanted you dead D1 you know.

Why is it NAI? Lack of activity isn't great but at this point is more likely to come from town than scum

[MiX]

Voting =/= lack of activity.

[MiX]

Voting =/= lack of activity.

The opposite...you know what I mean.

Just feels arbitrary to townread no vote.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'd argue that voting is the only real activity

[MiX]

I'd argue that voting is the only real activity

We don't need 2 Awaclus in the same game.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'd argue that voting is the only real activity

We don't need 2 Awaclus in the same game.

Maybe an exaggeration but I do feel that when I'm scum I feel a lot of pressure to have a vote down. Right now I'm reading a casual unconcern for that as towny

[Swowl]

I do not think it is super likely here that LL is skum.
I think that they could have the ability to do what they say as skum... sure. But think about like... how valuable that power is if they are skum...

We get a host flip - which tells us nothing of alignment. That host is skum (and so is LL in this scenario), they can use it to move the exile to someone they are on (assumedly ofc not a partner) and none of us would have any damn idea wtf happened.

The alternative skum theory is they give away that power to create what? like the WIFOM of "why would they do it this way as skum"? That does not seem worth it.

It could potentially give them the ability to not vote for someone that was their partner and make it look not skummy... but they already outted the ability and our flip was Town - so that doesn't add up.

I think most likely LL = Town here and can do what they say.

I don't wanna go into why Town!LL would do it the way they did, but I think I get the reasons.

[MiX]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

[Swowl]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

[MiX]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

Yes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I do not think it is super likely here that LL is skum.
I think that they could have the ability to do what they say as skum... sure. But think about like... how valuable that power is if they are skum...

We get a host flip - which tells us nothing of alignment. That host is skum (and so is LL in this scenario), they can use it to move the exile to someone they are on (assumedly ofc not a partner) and none of us would have any damn idea wtf happened.

The alternative skum theory is they give away that power to create what? like the WIFOM of "why would they do it this way as skum"? That does not seem worth it.

It could potentially give them the ability to not vote for someone that was their partner and make it look not skummy... but they already outted the ability and our flip was Town - so that doesn't add up.

I think most likely LL = Town here and can do what they say.

I don't wanna go into why Town!LL would do it the way they did, but I think I get the reasons.

The power only working on hosts would line up with the "human scum with a host traitor" idea

[MiX]

It's still a pretty good power for scum to have. 2 shots to exile town!humans.

Almost too good...but probably has a catch for scum.

[Swowl]

I do not think it is super likely here that LL is skum.
I think that they could have the ability to do what they say as skum... sure. But think about like... how valuable that power is if they are skum...

We get a host flip - which tells us nothing of alignment. That host is skum (and so is LL in this scenario), they can use it to move the exile to someone they are on (assumedly ofc not a partner) and none of us would have any damn idea wtf happened.

The alternative skum theory is they give away that power to create what? like the WIFOM of "why would they do it this way as skum"? That does not seem worth it.

It could potentially give them the ability to not vote for someone that was their partner and make it look not skummy... but they already outted the ability and our flip was Town - so that doesn't add up.

I think most likely LL = Town here and can do what they say.

I don't wanna go into why Town!LL would do it the way they did, but I think I get the reasons.

The power only working on hosts would line up with the "human scum with a host traitor" idea

I mean if host traitor has maintenance that would be a pretty op combo. Which is what I was assuming to be the case if it is that set up.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi! I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be low activity. It was a busy work day...busier than I expected.

I’ll catch up in the morning and get to the voting. xoxo

[mail-mi]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

Such as?

[mail-mi]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

Such as?

I will look over the thread tomorrow and let you know, it's late right now.

But I will Unvote.

[Swowl]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

expecting a hell of reason why you would state this now when you spill the deets tomorrow.

[Swowl]

MiX you do anything fun last night?

[faust]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

Yes.

But why, like, what does scum!me even gain from all these shenanigans?

[faust]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

I said what Swowl said before him. So uh, why does you agreeing with Swowl mean he's town, but not with me?

[MiX]

I sorta agree with Swowl here.

Which means out of the 3 EoD people, faust's the scum.

I said what Swowl said before him. So uh, why does you agreeing with Swowl mean he's town, but not with me?

Because you and Swowl are seperate individuals.

MiX you do anything fun last night?

(This answer intentionally left blank)

[MiX]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

[faust]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

[Awaclus]

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

You think faust would be that transparently skum as town?

[MiX]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

Well, he kinda has to, as weird as that is.

Anyway, that's a good claim.

unvote

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

Helpful enough to have everyone claim whether or not they're responsible?

[WestCoastDidds]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

Who do you think mafia would have targeted?

[WestCoastDidds]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

Game tomorrow, or Saturday?

[WestCoastDidds]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

Helpful enough to have everyone claim whether or not they're responsible?

Well, that’s the question, isn’t it?

Folks who’ve played in Archetype worlds....was last night probably powers aplenty, or are there probably only a handful of folks who can do things?

[Awaclus]

We don't need 2 Awaclus in the same game.

I believe the plural is Awacli.

[MiX]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

Hmm...who would know that it happened?

We don't need 2 Awaclus in the same game.

I believe the plural is Awacli.

You're the boss!

2 Awacli in 1 game is too much. They'd just be neighbors all the time and never use them!

[WestCoastDidds]

I said I’d get to the voting, but I was wrong. I just don’t have any solid sense yet of what’s what. But I’ll be around this weekend so hopefully I can spend some more sustained effort on that project. I feel like there have been some tidbits of information that need to be more fully fleshed out before I can stop spinning around.

MiX...how did your exams go? Do you get a break now? Tell me, what do you think of yams’ little tidbit? When will it not make your head explode for people to start rolling out info?

[MiX]

Okay, let's drop the shenanigans.

Everyone, why is faust scum?

Faust, why is ADK scum?

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

How are we going to revive joth?

Anyone not voting for faust nor ADK, why are you doing so and what do you think of faust

People complaining about activity, who's scum?

People with PR information, uh, don't be shy, ask for softclaims if it helps.


I'll answer these myself:

Faust's scum for not having a result on ADK and wanting them dead.

Someone needs to claim human and they NEED to rez joth.

PPE 1

[MiX]

MiX...how did your exams go? Do you get a break now? Tell me, what do you think of yams’ little tidbit? When will it not make your head explode for people to start rolling out info?

Exams were okay, I'll be home tomorrow so I have all the time in the world to solve this game. I like yams' tidbit, but I'm just wondering why he said it now. I see just a tiny bit why and that's not enough for me.

My head doesn't explode when I'm the one claiming for no reason

[mail-mi]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

expecting a hell of reason why you would state this now when you spill the deets tomorrow.

I've thought about it a little more, and realized this isn't really something that needs to be kept secret. My power is that if a host is town-aligned, they will be resurrected at the beginning of Night, and it will be apparent to everyone that it was because of me  I used it on Joth, so we'll either have an IC, or we'll know joth is mafia

PPE 1

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m hoping maybe yams can rez Joth.... maybe that’s what he’s gonna tell us!

PPE

[WestCoastDidds]

Ha! Sometimes I can guess stuff!

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams, what else have you got going on?

[MiX]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

expecting a hell of reason why you would state this now when you spill the deets tomorrow.

I've thought about it a little more, and realized this isn't really something that needs to be kept secret. My power is that if a host is town-aligned, they will be resurrected at the beginning of Night, and it will be apparent to everyone that it was because of me  I used it on Joth, so we'll either have an IC, or we'll know joth is mafia

PPE 1

Sad...I think you should've waited. But it's fine, I guess.

That's a better power than you think.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Okay, let's drop the shenanigans.

Everyone, why is faust scum?

Faust, why is ADK scum?

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

How are we going to revive joth?

Anyone not voting for faust nor ADK, why are you doing so and what do you think of faust

People complaining about activity, who's scum?

People with PR information, uh, don't be shy, ask for softclaims if it helps.


I'll answer these myself:

Faust's scum for not having a result on ADK and wanting them dead.

Someone needs to claim human and they NEED to rez joth.

PPE 1

LaLight's power just doesn't seem like a town power to me, and him using it the way he did seems like how scum would use that power to be "helpful"

faust has been scummy this game but it seems like he's softclaiming something which makes me less inclined to vote for him

[mail-mi]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

expecting a hell of reason why you would state this now when you spill the deets tomorrow.

I've thought about it a little more, and realized this isn't really something that needs to be kept secret. My power is that if a host is town-aligned, they will be resurrected at the beginning of Night, and it will be apparent to everyone that it was because of me  I used it on Joth, so we'll either have an IC, or we'll know joth is mafia

PPE 1

Sad...I think you should've waited. But it's fine, I guess.

That's a better power than you think.

I was thinking that having an IC earlier would be better.

[mail-mi]

Yams, what else have you got going on?

Nothing that needs to be claimed right now.

[LaLight]

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

I do and it depends. I will use it on faust, because he is my strongest townread.

[LaLight]

LaLight's power just doesn't seem like a town power to me, and him using it the way he did seems like how scum would use that power to be "helpful"

faust has been scummy this game but it seems like he's softclaiming something which makes me less inclined to vote for him

If at any time I will fullclaim, you will see how this power is more townie than scummy. I just don't see a reason to do it now.

[MiX]

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

I do and it depends. I will use it on faust, because he is my strongest townread.

?

Who will you use it on? You don't have a choice on who's wagon'd!

Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

I do and it depends. I will use it on faust, because he is my strongest townread.

?

Who will you use it on? You don't have a choice on who's wagon'd!

Vote: LaLight

of course I don't. But I can activate it if faust is on L-1

[MiX]

I don't get it...do you have to choose who you're protecting beforehand?

[LaLight]

the problem though is that if I activate it, I can't deactivate it. But if faust will be close to lynching, I will have no second thoughts. That is a terrible lynch.

[LaLight]

I don't get it...do you have to choose who you're protecting beforehand?

no, but I choose when to activate it. And I can choose to activate it when anyone is at L-1 effectively choosing who i protect

[LaLight]

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

I do and it depends. I will use it on faust, because he is my strongest townread.

?

Who will you use it on? You don't have a choice on who's wagon'd!

Vote: LaLight

also wow, you're scum

[MiX]

the problem though is that if I activate it, I can't deactivate it. But if faust will be close to lynching, I will have no second thoughts. That is a terrible lynch.

But then you can just vote for who you think is scum...if you're also voting for the exiled person, they'll die anyway, right?

I don't get it...do you have to choose who you're protecting beforehand?

no, but I choose when to activate it. And I can choose to activate it when anyone is at L-1 effectively choosing who i protect

Okay, sure, but I would definitely like to know who you're planning to vote for if you're completely ignoring town when it comes to exiling.

LL, do you still have your power and do you intend to use it?

I do and it depends. I will use it on faust, because he is my strongest townread.

?

Who will you use it on? You don't have a choice on who's wagon'd!

Vote: LaLight

also wow, you're scum

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!

[LaLight]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

[LaLight]

But then you can just vote for who you think is scum...if you're also voting for the exiled person, they'll die anyway, right?

yes.

[LaLight]

Okay, sure, but I would definitely like to know who you're planning to vote for if you're completely ignoring town when it comes to exiling.

you would, wouldn't you?

[LaLight]

I am FULLY VOCAL about who I am voting for.

[LaLight]

and this is a person I will vote for till the end of the day.

[MiX]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

You're not host, obviously. But town!you wouldn't claim that now.

Okay, sure, but I would definitely like to know who you're planning to vote for if you're completely ignoring town when it comes to exiling.

you would, wouldn't you?

No shit. If we're just exiling based on who you pick, why should I even vote?

I am FULLY VOCAL about who I am voting for.

Who is it then?

[LaLight]

Who is it then?

why, you, of course.

[MiX]

Who is it then?

why, you, of course.

Dumbbb.

When you scumread me I'm town and you know this.

Would scum!me OMGUS like this? I'm guessing you were voting for me already.

[Swowl]

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

You think faust would be that transparently skum as town?

what? yes. like constantly in every single game ever. is this a real question?

[LaLight]

Dumbbb.

This is exactly why it is hard for me to engage in a conversation with you, to be honest

[MiX]

Dumbbb.

This is exactly why it is hard for me to engage in a conversation with you, to be honest

Well, it's dumbbb for me to be voting for you right now. Actions are dumb, not people. Just ask space!

Doesn't mean I'm scum. Scum =/= unfriendly, or whatever.

Scum = friendly, actually.

Vote: faust

[MiX]

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

You think faust would be that transparently skum as town?

what? yes. like constantly in every single game ever. is this a real question?

Welllll not every game. But it does feel like it.

Who's scum Swowl?

[LaLight]

Scum = friendly, actually.

yeeeeeeah no.

[MiX]

Scum = friendly, actually.

yeeeeeeah no.

Yeeeeeeah yes.

I can do this all day.

Now find scum, I don't wanna die.

[Swowl]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

I cannot give you more than this rn - it is tremendously more likely he was killed opposed to some other means of death.

[Swowl]

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

You think faust would be that transparently skum as town?

what? yes. like constantly in every single game ever. is this a real question?

Welllll not every game. But it does feel like it.

Who's scum Swowl?

dude I am loving this MiX so I am trying really effing hard to convince myself it is not you.

[MiX]

If I was scum I would be cackling with the EoD1, not outraged. I probably wouldn't even know what town's thinking since whenever I looked at it I would just laugh. Well unless a scumbuddy helped, but I'm basically scumreading all of you (LL, faust and Swowl, anyone else I'm missing) so, eh.

I'll stop posting as much now.

[Swowl]

Yams, what else have you got going on?

Nothing that needs to be claimed right now.

@ MM--  1 shot?
You can not answer I guess if you think it is better that way.

[MiX]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

[Swowl]

If I was scum I would be cackling with the EoD1, not outraged. I probably wouldn't even know what town's thinking since whenever I looked at it I would just laugh. Well unless a scumbuddy helped, but I'm basically scumreading all of you (LL, faust and Swowl, anyone else I'm missing) so, eh.

I'll stop posting as much now.

Don't stop the posting it is helping me dial it back in towards town actually on you.

I was not obviously a huge fan of the Hyper lynch. But you are telling me after LL came out, with all the chances of shit that could of happened that would actually generate info, that Hyper was a bad lynch still?

Like originally the argument was no exile = maybe good because if we exile a host we don't get info. Weak to begin with, but when you couple that with LL re directs the kill if they ARE a host... like its day one... we got a flip. I know it sucks they were town, but like faust was already on there... LL didn't need to come up with some complicated story to sell me to get that lynch off... I just don't really think we are finding skum in those 2 at this point.

I think given the lack of activity towards DL skum was sitting happy right where they were the whole time.

ppe

[Swowl]

I have a one-shot power that I have just used that will take effect at the beginning of the night. It will hopefully help confirm my towniness and I figured using this power earlier rather than later would be more helpful.

I will say more about this tomorrow.

In other news, I'm not nearly as mad as MiX about the hyper lynch. I think the EoD was awful, but not scummy awful. I think scum are lurking more this game, and so today I'd rather lynch someone who has lower activity.

dumb. thanks missed that.

[MiX]

I don't think people were scumreading hyper. I can't see how you can get a meaningful VCA when 2 people were voting for ADK to be exiled instead.

Although he was at 4 votes, so meh.

There's scum in the 4 votes then, is that it? Since scum was confortable? Who's scum then Swowl? I'm only rereading IRL tomorrow.

[mail-mi]

I don't think people were scumreading hyper. I can't see how you can get a meaningful VCA when 2 people were voting for ADK to be exiled instead.

Although he was at 4 votes, so meh.

There's scum in the 4 votes then, is that it? Since scum was confortable? Who's scum then Swowl? I'm only rereading IRL tomorrow.

I was.

[Swowl]

Who is it then?

why, you, of course.

could I inquire on your MiX case?

[MiX]

Vote: mail-mi

Wait you're town.

Let's see who was voting for him then...

...Oh...I feel stupid now...

Vote: ADK

[MiX]

faust really needs to learn from this game, he literally voted where scum was voting.

[Swowl]

I don't think people were scumreading hyper. I can't see how you can get a meaningful VCA when 2 people were voting for ADK to be exiled instead.

Although he was at 4 votes, so meh.

There's scum in the 4 votes then, is that it? Since scum was confortable? Who's scum then Swowl? I'm only rereading IRL tomorrow.

agreed that VCA isn't great now. That is never the reason for lynching Day 1. it will be valuable at some point in the game - it always is.

That being said, VCA aside, just "logic"....
there are 11 players. some portion (lets avg it off at 3) of those players... so 3/11 knew that Hyper was not on their team. it took 6 players to make that lynch happen. So, bc I agree with you it would be strange for so many people to actually be SRing him... I think there is a good chance of finding skum on the wagon.

So who is skum?
hypercube (6): jotheonah, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, Faust, Swowl
Joth is dead. Assuming town.
Swowl is me, and town.
Faust, for aforementioned reasons is off the table for me right now.
MM has the super revive IC creation claim in the mix.... so that isn't happening today.

So WCD/ADK is where I am at. From a "shitty VCA" pov.

PPE2

[WestCoastDidds]

Noooooooooooooo, Swowl! It’s not me. I hate when we don’t trust each other. But I do think ADK isn’t holding up well in the VCA.

I found Glooble scummy D1, I’m not sure I’m 100% sure Joth is a town host, but yams seems to have a sweet way for us to know. Otherwise, his spot on hyper doesn’t look good. I did t ind hyper towny at all, so I thought my vote was fine there. I should have invited after the EOD stall because things went down in a wacky way.

I have questions for yams that he can’t answer right now, but not knowing some of that has me stuck.

[mail-mi]

WCD is town. I could join on ADK. I also think some of the people that weren't around at EOD might be a good idea.

Noooooooooooooo, Swowl! It’s not me. I hate when we don’t trust each other. But I do think ADK isn’t holding up well in the VCA.

I found Glooble scummy D1, I’m not sure I’m 100% sure Joth is a town host, but yams seems to have a sweet way for us to know. Otherwise, his spot on hyper doesn’t look good. I did t ind hyper towny at all, so I thought my vote was fine there. I should have invited after the EOD stall because things went down in a wacky way.

I have questions for yams that he can’t answer right now, but not knowing some of that has me stuck.

Hopefully those will be answered later.

[WestCoastDidds]

Holy typos, Batman! Sorry about that.

I’m gonna be patient, yams, and trust that you know best about your information.

Hey, scola....where you been?

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, is Awa ever scum? Could this be the time?

[MiX]

MiX, is Awa ever scum? Could this be the time?

Yes. I don't know.

[Awaclus]

Everyone, why is faust scum?

Because he received a scum PM by random chance.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, is Awa ever scum? Could this be the time?

Yes. I don't know.

I think maybe it IS the time!

[A Drowned Kernel]

If I was scum I would be cackling with the EoD1, not outraged. I probably wouldn't even know what town's thinking since whenever I looked at it I would just laugh. Well unless a scumbuddy helped, but I'm basically scumreading all of you (LL, faust and Swowl, anyone else I'm missing) so, eh.

I'll stop posting as much now.

And you're incapable of lying in your posts?

[MiX]

If I was scum I would be cackling with the EoD1, not outraged. I probably wouldn't even know what town's thinking since whenever I looked at it I would just laugh. Well unless a scumbuddy helped, but I'm basically scumreading all of you (LL, faust and Swowl, anyone else I'm missing) so, eh.

I'll stop posting as much now.

And you're incapable of lying in your posts?

Yes, as this post is proof of.

No.

[A Drowned Kernel]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

[mail-mi]

Holy typos, Batman! Sorry about that.

I’m gonna be patient, yams, and trust that you know best about your information.

Hey, scola....where you been?

Good question. Vote: scola

[LaLight]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

no

[Awaclus]

MiX, is Awa ever scum? Could this be the time?

Yes. I don't know.

I think maybe it IS the time!

It is not the time.

[Swowl]

yeah I can go with
Vote: scola
for now

[Swowl]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

probably don't ask people this.

[Swowl]

Noooooooooooooo, Swowl! It’s not me. I hate when we don’t trust each other. But I do think ADK isn’t holding up well in the VCA.

I found Glooble scummy D1, I’m not sure I’m 100% sure Joth is a town host, but yams seems to have a sweet way for us to know. Otherwise, his spot on hyper doesn’t look good. I did t ind hyper towny at all, so I thought my vote was fine there. I should have invited after the EOD stall because things went down in a wacky way.

I have questions for yams that he can’t answer right now, but not knowing some of that has me stuck.

Glooble is not in this game homie.

[faust]

Everyone, why is faust scum?

He's not.

Faust, why is ADK scum?

It's just that everything about them is off. Like that post where he thought people who aren't voting are town by that virtue. A lot of their posts are like that.

Faust's scum for not having a result on ADK and wanting them dead.

So you have a result on me? Should probably claim that stuff.

[faust]

Well actually I need to answer Swowl's question with "not sure" instead.

faust did you do anything interesting last night?

Well mildly. It would be helpful if I knew whether joth was a mafia kill.

Helpful enough to have everyone claim whether or not they're responsible?

I would have pushed for that if it were so.

[faust]

you think faust would be that transparent as skum?

You think faust would be that transparently skum as town?

what? yes. like constantly in every single game ever. is this a real question?

Haha, much appreciated.

[faust]

faust really needs to learn from this game, he literally voted where scum was voting.

I'm sure the game is solved by never voting where scum votes, because bussing does not exist.

[MiX]

Faust's scum for not having a result on ADK and wanting them dead.

So you have a result on me? Should probably claim that stuff.

D1 I mean. I did eventually drop you. Now it's fine.

faust really needs to learn from this game, he literally voted where scum was voting.

I'm sure the game is solved by never voting where scum votes, because bussing does not exist.

Did you think ADK was bussing hypercube? That's not what I remember of D1.

Noooooooooooooo, Swowl! It’s not me. I hate when we don’t trust each other. But I do think ADK isn’t holding up well in the VCA.

I found Glooble scummy D1, I’m not sure I’m 100% sure Joth is a town host, but yams seems to have a sweet way for us to know. Otherwise, his spot on hyper doesn’t look good. I did t ind hyper towny at all, so I thought my vote was fine there. I should have invited after the EOD stall because things went down in a wacky way.

I have questions for yams that he can’t answer right now, but not knowing some of that has me stuck.

Glooble is not in this game homie.

Were you asleep for the first half of D1 or something? Glooble's joth, joth's Glooble. Yeah, the twin situation gets a little confusing this game.

[WestCoastDidds]

Noooooooooooooo, Swowl! It’s not me. I hate when we don’t trust each other. But I do think ADK isn’t holding up well in the VCA.

I found Glooble scummy D1, I’m not sure I’m 100% sure Joth is a town host, but yams seems to have a sweet way for us to know. Otherwise, his spot on hyper doesn’t look good. I did t ind hyper towny at all, so I thought my vote was fine there. I should have invited after the EOD stall because things went down in a wacky way.

I have questions for yams that he can’t answer right now, but not knowing some of that has me stuck.

Glooble is not in this game homie.

He became Joth. I was saying Joth didn’t change my mind much.

[WestCoastDidds]

Everyone, why is faust scum?

He's not.

Faust, why is ADK scum?

It's just that everything about them is off. Like that post where he thought people who aren't voting are town by that virtue. A lot of their posts are like that.

Faust's scum for not having a result on ADK and wanting them dead.

So you have a result on me? Should probably claim that stuff.

I think that faust has a point about the ADK posts.

[MiX]

Didds is scum.

Let's get her tomorrow!

For now we should do ADK or something.

[A Drowned Kernel]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

probably don't ask people this.

Here's the thing, and I've been going back and forth as to whether to reveal this, but I know for a fact that LaLight is human, so that makes his post here really really scummy

[LaLight]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

probably don't ask people this.

Here's the thing, and I've been going back and forth as to whether to reveal this, but I know for a fact that LaLight is human, so that makes his post here really really scummy

yeah, I am. but fact is a fact, my power would work on me if i was a host

[LaLight]

what i teally wanted to do is draw the nightkill. oh well

[LaLight]

because the host with power of being unlynchable while lynching their reads would be a primary target for nk

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds is scum.

Let's get her tomorrow!

Nope! Not this time.

What makes you think I am?

[MiX]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

probably don't ask people this.

Here's the thing, and I've been going back and forth as to whether to reveal this, but I know for a fact that LaLight is human, so that makes his post here really really scummy

Yes so do I and that post claims as such. It's clear that LL only thought of that usage now and not earlier, which suggests he's not host, thus he's human.

The fact that you need to go mechanically is scummy.

what i teally wanted to do is draw the nightkill. oh well

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

because the host with power of being unlynchable while lynching their reads would be a primary target for nk

Meh. Town can misexile themselves pretty easily.

Didds is scum.

Let's get her tomorrow!

Nope! Not this time.

What makes you think I am?

Just a wrong gut feeling I think. If ADK's town you're scum so I'm hedging a bit.

[LaLight]

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

we need hosts alive more

[MiX]

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

we need hosts alive more

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

Also why do you want to die? Your ability is great if you're town, right?

[LaLight]

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

we need hosts alive more

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

Also why do you want to die? Your ability is great if you're town, right?

i'm sorry what? vote: MiX if i wasn't

[MiX]

Hmm...what?

You were.

[faust]

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

we need hosts alive more

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

Also why do you want to die? Your ability is great if you're town, right?

i'm sorry what? vote: MiX if i wasn't

I agree with MiX, although I wish he were less flippant about... basically everything.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 2.2

LaLight (1): A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (3): faust, mail-mi, Swowl

Not Voting (1): WestCoastDidds

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 lasts until July 23rd, 2:10 am Forum Time

[Swowl]

Uh, no. We need humans alive.

we need hosts alive more

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

Also why do you want to die? Your ability is great if you're town, right?

I think I get what you mean by this.... except I don't. If there are [greater than 0] alive town hosts, 0 town humans, and 1 skum... and town lynches skum... town wins yes? why does the game end if all town humans are dead? That would mean if the game is continuing then there must be a chance for a Town host to win... and we need one of those alive to win...

Also... just like basic concept wise... LL you gotta be wrong unless you know some shit we don't. In terms of "alive" - it is def the humans we need alive more. Valuable... that is different, but specifically alive... from info given... mix is right.

[Swowl]

oh and I have another point, if I am host, I can use the power to protect myself every time. How good this power is for scum? Too good maybe?

Are you claiming host?

probably don't ask people this.

Here's the thing, and I've been going back and forth as to whether to reveal this, but I know for a fact that LaLight is human, so that makes his post here really really scummy

well then I obviously take back my comment about not asking - but it is also why i put "probably in there".
I am assuming you think it is skummy because they were insinuating the op-nature of "if they were a host" when they were not?

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

[Swowl]

Were you asleep for the first half of D1 or something? Glooble's joth, joth's Glooble. Yeah, the twin situation gets a little confusing this game.

jesus... yes I was? I totally forgot that happened.

[Swowl]

LL - why were you so willing to burn your one shot power on day 1?

[Awaclus]

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

That's the exact reverse of how it is.

[MiX]

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

That's the exact reverse of how it is.

Not really. In fact it's neither extreme, although I do like how as long as there's 1 town human, town hosts can just be brought back forever so that gives us time.

Who here thinks ADK is scum?

[faust]

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

That's the exact reverse of how it is.

Not really. In fact it's neither extreme, although I do like how as long as there's 1 town human, town hosts can just be brought back forever so that gives us time.

Who here thinks ADK is scum?

Me!

Also, request prod on scolapasta

[faust]

I guess I might as well

Vote: ADK

Human/Host Cop is a pretty scummy role in any case.

[LaLight]

LL - why were you so willing to burn your one shot power on day 1?

it is not 1-shot

[Awaclus]

Not really. In fact it's neither extreme, although I do like how as long as there's 1 town human, town hosts can just be brought back forever so that gives us time.

How do you know that?

[A Drowned Kernel]

We don't really, if all town humans are dead the game is essentially over...whereas if all town hosts are dead it's not.

That's the exact reverse of how it is.

Not really. In fact it's neither extreme, although I do like how as long as there's 1 town human, town hosts can just be brought back forever so that gives us time.

Who here thinks ADK is scum?

Not me, and I'm not even sure why so many people do

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, so....from the set up post

2. Maintenance (Living): While Dead, each Day you may post Request: [Player Name] in your QT. At the end of the Day, if the requested player is a Living Human and you are a Dead Host, you will enter Analysis Mode with them at the beginning of the Night. During that Night, you may talk to each other privately. They may post Fix in their Personal QT to have you become Living at the beginning of the next Day.

The hosts can be dead, but we need a living human to bring them back. It sounds like it can happen more than once, yeah?

But to win we need a living town host, so we need a living human to bring one back before the end of the game. So, both important but we can afford to have hosts die but we can’t afford to lose all of our humans.

[WestCoastDidds]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

[faust]

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

[WestCoastDidds]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

[faust]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

Don't you like the existing wagons?

[scolapasta]

I'm here, just another busy weekend. Will spend some time today and tomorrow catching up.

But what I can say now:

Hosts are more important than humans. We can not win without a host. Humans can bring them back, of course, but let's take it to an extreme, which would you rather have:
1 Host and 9 Humans or 9 Hosts and 1 Human?

[MiX]

1 host and 9 humans, since we can rez the dead hosts.

PPE idk

[faust]

I'm here, just another busy weekend. Will spend some time today and tomorrow catching up.

But what I can say now:

Hosts are more important than humans. We can not win without a host. Humans can bring them back, of course, but let's take it to an extreme, which would you rather have:
1 Host and 9 Humans or 9 Hosts and 1 Human?

In the latter case it would be extremely difficult for a Host to successfully target a human with maintenance, so I'd prefer the first option.

[mail-mi]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

[MiX]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

[mail-mi]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

Hosts are more important than humans. If all humans died, we could still win. If all hosts died, I guess we could still win, though it would be more difficult; especially because hosts can only be resurrected in the morning.

[faust]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

[faust]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

[scolapasta]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

so which is it?

[MiX]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

Hosts are more important than humans. If all humans died, we could still win. If all hosts died, I guess we could still win, though it would be more difficult; especially because hosts can only be resurrected in the morning.

What the hell does that have to do with my alignment?

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

I think scum's win condition is "town can't win", but hosts being dead early is temporary. A D1/N1/D2/N2 host exile is meaningless if they have maintenence.

[WestCoastDidds]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

Don't you like the existing wagons?

Scola is my next up, but I am worried my view is skewed by his absence... and then ADK after that, although by a pretty big margin.  I'm not feeling MiX or you, and we have plenty of time so no pressure to consolidate yet, I figure.

[faust]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

Don't you like the existing wagons?

Scola is my next up, but I am worried my view is skewed by his absence... and then ADK after that, although by a pretty big margin.  I'm not feeling MiX or you, and we have plenty of time so no pressure to consolidate yet, I figure.

Why is scola so much scummier than ADK?

[faust]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

so which is it?

You tell me!

[Awaclus]

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

[LaLight]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

[LaLight]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

[LaLight]

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

I confirm this statement

[MiX]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

I confirm this statement

I confirm this confirm.

[WestCoastDidds]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

What is it that you’re finding scummy?

[WestCoastDidds]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

This seems to beg the question that we were musing on earlier...how many hosts and humans are there. One or the other has to be a limited resource, right? Whichever is more precious should be of the greatest value to us.

[Swowl]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

potential 4 - there could be a larger than normal skum team but they also have to have a host alive?

The 50% of town control thing could be possible? That would create decent balance. It would probably read something like "when the day begins" tho, just cuz of revival potential.

[Swowl]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

bump

[Swowl]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

bump

quote fail  - previous post is @ ADK

[LaLight]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

What is it that you’re finding scummy?

now that M128 is over, I am ready to say, that MiX is extremely alike to how he played in that game and there he was scum, so yeah. ingenious (imo) reactions, overconfidence. I don't know, he just plays the same

[Swowl]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

This seems to beg the question that we were musing on earlier...how many hosts and humans are there. One or the other has to be a limited resource, right? Whichever is more precious should be of the greatest value to us.

OK here is the thing about the value though..

there are 9 alive.
Some amount of those are hosts and some amount of those are humans.
Just gonna act under the assumption that there is at most 3 skum.
so either way 2 max of one and 1 of the other (assuming they all are not the same) that doesn't really matter

point is that all of this talk is of course leading to the potential of some sort of claim.
I think the host/human claim is bad.
We do not know what the skum win con is, and the town win con is public. So, as human vs host value is being weighted against what the unknown wincon potentially is... we should probably just kind of drive the conversation elsewhere. for now at least.

[A Drowned Kernel]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

bump

Mafia

[MiX]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

What is it that you’re finding scummy?

now that M128 is over, I am ready to say, that MiX is extremely alike to how he played in that game and there he was scum, so yeah. ingenious (imo) reactions, overconfidence. I don't know, he just plays the same

Woah, really? Thanks, that's a huge compliment, I didn't know my scum game was that good!

I do have to admit, this town game's been sloppy. I'm not that upset that you're scumreading me here.

[faust]

Didds-ie, why are you ignoring me?

Why is scola so much scummier than ADK?

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds-ie, why are you ignoring me?

Why is scola so much scummier than ADK?

Ack! I went to gather my thoughts and then wandered away. Stupid quarantine attention span. Sorry!

I keep going back and forth on ADK, and I haven’t waffled at all on Scola (although I recognize my sense of him is formed by absence) so the waffling has him down a couple of rings for me. At various points I have found ADK towny, then I’m ready to vote for them- most notably at the start of today I was was completely feeling ADK, then they were het up about how they were the target of the EOD hijinks and I had sympathy for them, then the series of fairly not-characteristically-empty ADK posts had me feeling it again. And then a vote count came down, and I didn’t think their votes were scummy, or have a super towny sense of the people voting for them. So, this mental flip flopping has me with a good chunk of suspicion about them but also doubting my read.

Scola’s return hasn’t done much to move him down my list, but I’m trying to be patient.

Awa is pretty firmly at the top. Mix often puts on his Awaclus badge and rides into defend him vociferously against all comers, so I’ve been waiting for that to happen. That it hasn’t also has me scratching my head.

More than you asked for, I know. It’s my way of apologizing for leaving you hanging. Also, I love “Diddsie”, I’ve decided.

[Swowl]

Swowl Count:

A Drowned Kernel (2): MiX, faust
MiX (2): LaLight, mail-mi
faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
LaLight (1): A Drowned Kernel
scolapasta (1): Swowl
Awaclus (1): WestCoastDidds


Fairly certain that is correct.
DL is also in like 36 hours so we should probably consolidate somewhere...

That being said I have no idea where I wanna go. So, I'll be back.

[Swowl]

ADK - sanity check sorry - you are claiming a HUMAN result on LL right? Not something later that is gonna be like "it was just a read"?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hmmm....I didn’t realize deadline was so close.

ADK, MiX, and faust are the only viable choices? I need to think more about MiX after seeing the end of other game.

[mail-mi]

I think MiX is my preference out of those three. I could see myself voting for ADK or faust if necessary. I'm also willing to go back to scola.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams, I’m going to stand next to you for awhile.

Why is MiX the better of those choices?

[mail-mi]

Yams, I’m going to stand next to you for awhile.

Why is MiX the better of those choices?

I think he is somewhat similar to his last game performance, and I don't think he has the town wincon. I think my preferences are MiX >> scola >> ADK >> faust.

[faust]

Hmmm....I didn’t realize deadline was so close.

ADK, MiX, and faust are the only viable choices? I need to think more about MiX after seeing the end of other game.

Seems a bit arbitrary to make the cutoff for "viable choice" at 2 votes rather than 1. scola had 3 votes at one point, I'm sure that wagon is still viable.

[scolapasta]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

[faust]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

[Swowl]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

you role blocked, or you believe you were role blocked?

[MiX]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

you role blocked, or you believe you were role blocked?

He tried to do something, but he got roleblocked.

[faust]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

Do you have more than one read?

Also why would you reveal that you know you were blocked? That severely limits the roles you could reasonably be.

[faust]

scolapasta: Who did you try to target?

[Swowl]

@LL - What was your reasoning end of day 1 switching to ADK from MiX?

[Swowl]

@ ADK - is your ability a result of "Human" vs "Host" or yes/no on one or the other?

[LaLight]

@LL - What was your reasoning end of day 1 switching to ADK from MiX?

no one wanted to vote for MiX

[Swowl]

@LL - What was your reasoning end of day 1 switching to ADK from MiX?

no one wanted to vote for MiX

right, but specifically why ADK over others?

[LaLight]

@LL - What was your reasoning end of day 1 switching to ADK from MiX?

no one wanted to vote for MiX

right, but specifically why ADK over others?

I scumread ADK more than hyper and faust was going to join me only if we lynch ADK. Also, lynching ADK was better than no lynch. Same with hyper

[Swowl]

@LL - What was your reasoning end of day 1 switching to ADK from MiX?

no one wanted to vote for MiX

right, but specifically why ADK over others?

I scumread ADK more than hyper and faust was going to join me only if we lynch ADK. Also, lynching ADK was better than no lynch. Same with hyper

ok - what is your read on ADK now?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hmmm....I didn’t realize deadline was so close.

ADK, MiX, and faust are the only viable choices? I need to think more about MiX after seeing the end of other game.

Seems a bit arbitrary to make the cutoff for "viable choice" at 2 votes rather than 1. scola had 3 votes at one point, I'm sure that wagon is still viable.

Totally arbitrary. I was looking at the Swowl vote count and gathering my thoughts. I was talking out loud, not providing limitations for others

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK - sanity check sorry - you are claiming a HUMAN result on LL right? Not something later that is gonna be like "it was just a read"?

I'm told whether my target is a human or a host and get additional information if they're a host

[WestCoastDidds]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

[scolapasta]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

you role blocked, or you believe you were role blocked?

I accidentally ate a word - I was role blocked.

[scolapasta]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

Do you have more than one read?

Also why would you reveal that you know you were blocked? That severely limits the roles you could reasonably be.

I don't really trust my reads. I still think maybe you, maybe MiX.


Seems to me most roles can be blocked. Why do you think it severely limits?

[scolapasta]

scolapasta: Who did you try to target?

I'm not ready to reveal this just yet.

[MiX]

Seems to me most roles can be blocked. Why do you think it severely limits?

Most roles don't know if they're roleblocked.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 2.3

LaLight (1): A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): MiX, faust
MiX (2): LaLight, mail-mi
faust (2): Awaclus, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): Swowl
Awaclus (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (0):

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 lasts until July 23rd, 2:10 am Forum Time (~33 hours)

[Swowl]

Vote: ADK

[faust]

Hmm, I was just about ready to go back to scola...

[Swowl]

Hmm, I was just about ready to go back to scola...

I could still do that.

My issue is with ADK right now is primarily based around their selection of player for their PR.
They have the ability to find out if someone is host or human. They found LL skummy NOT for being a human... but for shit that happend Day 1. They come into day 2 and out right state "I am not moving my vote".
why check the skum read you are unwilling to move from for host/human? you are gonna lynch them anyways right? what good does knowing host/human do?
Town with that ability should use it on town reads to try and have useful information for people that need it down the road. Finding out someone you think is skummy is human/host is completely useless.

[faust]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

[LaLight]

Hmm, I was just about ready to go back to scola...

I could still do that.

My issue is with ADK right now is primarily based around their selection of player for their PR.
They have the ability to find out if someone is host or human. They found LL skummy NOT for being a human... but for shit that happend Day 1. They come into day 2 and out right state "I am not moving my vote".
why check the skum read you are unwilling to move from for host/human? you are gonna lynch them anyways right? what good does knowing host/human do?
Town with that ability should use it on town reads to try and have useful information for people that need it down the road. Finding out someone you think is skummy is human/host is completely useless.

it looks so.. sloppy for him to do that, i think scum!ADK play would be to seem as townie as possible.

on the other hand that could be planned me!mislynch on their part. All in all I am willing to lynch ADK, I think.

[LaLight]

Vote: ADK

but when MiX wins again, y'all know better!

[Swowl]

Vote: ADK

why?

[Swowl]

Vote: ADK

but when MiX wins again, y'all know better!

just stay on mix and rd the kill? that is why I assumed you had been doing nothing all day, why vote a wagon?

[Swowl]

Only 36 hours to DL? Huh. I have been absent the last few days; weekend beach trip then busy work before taking the rest of the week off (yay!). I should be around tonight and tomorrow a little more.

I'm not sure I have much to add though, honestly.

Seems like we don't have anything really solid and few, if any people are willing to reveal what they did last night. I don't want to reveal what I did, though I am admitting to trying to something, but I did role blocked.

Do you have more than one read?

Also why would you reveal that you know you were blocked? That severely limits the roles you could reasonably be.

I don't really trust my reads. I still think maybe you, maybe MiX.


Seems to me most roles can be blocked. Why do you think it severely limits?

OK fine. lets rule out the obv.
why say you were blocked? just literally what was you hopeful gain from that?

[Swowl]

ADK- pick someone that is not LL. it has been clear from hour one that is not happening today

[Swowl]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

this is so inaccurate it is borderline skummy.

[Swowl]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

this is so inaccurate it is borderline skummy.

like for real. one example. one single example of mix being mafia and this being the case. please.

[LaLight]

Vote: ADK

but when MiX wins again, y'all know better!

just stay on mix and rd the kill? that is why I assumed you had been doing nothing all day, why vote a wagon?

because we approach the deadline and there is no consolidation. I am willing to just lynch ADK.

[faust]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

this is so inaccurate it is borderline skummy.

like for real. one example. one single example of mix being mafia and this being the case. please.

Well this prompted me to go back and skim some games. The two most recent "classic" scum games (no multiball or Traitor shenanigans) I could find were RMM54 and RMM53. I don't know that I can explicitly find what you are asking about, but MiX definitely was a lot less antagonistic and vocal in those games.

[Swowl]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

this is so inaccurate it is borderline skummy.

like for real. one example. one single example of mix being mafia and this being the case. please.

Well this prompted me to go back and skim some games. The two most recent "classic" scum games (no multiball or Traitor shenanigans) I could find were RMM54 and RMM53. I don't know that I can explicitly find what you are asking about, but MiX definitely was a lot less antagonistic and vocal in those games.

lol are you testing me like I wouldn't check?

[Swowl]

I did not follow the other game, but I think the things that LaLight pointed out that make them suspicious of MiX are largely just MiX tells, and I am not sure that a multiball scum performance is the best source for scum!MiX tells.

Well, then, what does scum Mix look like?

I think he would act more purposeful. Like, he went into this Day all upset at my play, but then dropped that case midway through without any strong trigger to do so. I think scum!MiX would ride that out longer.

this is so inaccurate it is borderline skummy.

like for real. one example. one single example of mix being mafia and this being the case. please.

Well this prompted me to go back and skim some games. The two most recent "classic" scum games (no multiball or Traitor shenanigans) I could find were RMM54 and RMM53. I don't know that I can explicitly find what you are asking about, but MiX definitely was a lot less antagonistic and vocal in those games.

lol are you testing me like I wouldn't check?

PSA - mix was not skum in 54

[faust]

lol are you testing me like I wouldn't check?

Err... no?

[faust]

Oh, ah, this is confusing... there are two games labeled RMM54. I mean Hunger Games.

[faust]

(there are also 2 RMM55s... something went seriously wrong there)

[Swowl]

Oh, ah, this is confusing... there are two games labeled RMM54. I mean Hunger Games.

k makes more sense. but also to be clear - they were SK in Hunger Games, not "not third party or multi ball"

[faust]

Oh, ah, this is confusing... there are two games labeled RMM54. I mean Hunger Games.

k makes more sense. but also to be clear - they were SK in Hunger Games, not "not third party or multi ball"

Ah I guess. I didn't remember the mafia flavor name there correctly, my bad.

[MiX]

(there are also 2 RMM55s... something went seriously wrong there)

The important part is that, technically, Swowl started the mistake first, and thus it's NAI. All is well in the world.

Well this prompted me to go back and skim some games. The two most recent "classic" scum games (no multiball or Traitor shenanigans) I could find were RMM54 and RMM53. I don't know that I can explicitly find what you are asking about, but MiX definitely was a lot less antagonistic and vocal in those games.

My most recent normal scum game is...BM27? That was pretty standard in terms of day play, so it's a better example than hunger games.

I'd look at that the most, I remember it as me going "??" all day every day until I hammered for the win.

Uh, I also felt like normal scum in M128 D3 when pushing for an exile, so you can take some of it, the day phase's a bit different but not that much.

Vote: ADK

but when MiX wins again, y'all know better!

Yeah I hope we all win!

[MiX]

Well this prompted me to go back and skim some games. The two most recent "classic" scum games (no multiball or Traitor shenanigans) I could find were RMM54 and RMM53. I don't know that I can explicitly find what you are asking about, but MiX definitely was a lot less antagonistic and vocal in those games.

My most recent normal scum game is...BM29? That was pretty standard in terms of day play, so it's a better example than hunger games.

I'd look at that the most, I remember it as me going "??" all day every day until I hammered for the win.

Uh, I also felt like normal scum in M128 D3 when pushing for an exile, so you can take some of it, the day phase's a bit different but not that much.

EBWOP. You know, bud light mafia.

I want pubby back 

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: ADK

but when MiX wins again, y'all know better!

Unannounceed X-1, throwing that out there

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hmm, I was just about ready to go back to scola...

I could still do that.

My issue is with ADK right now is primarily based around their selection of player for their PR.
They have the ability to find out if someone is host or human. They found LL skummy NOT for being a human... but for shit that happend Day 1. They come into day 2 and out right state "I am not moving my vote".
why check the skum read you are unwilling to move from for host/human? you are gonna lynch them anyways right? what good does knowing host/human do?
Town with that ability should use it on town reads to try and have useful information for people that need it down the road. Finding out someone you think is skummy is human/host is completely useless.

X-1 is time to claim, yes? I track my target if they're a host, so I targeted my main scum read

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK- pick someone that is not LL. it has been clear from hour one that is not happening today

Fine

Vote: faust

[WestCoastDidds]

WCD count 2.1

A Drowned Kernel (4): MiX, faust, swowl, LL
MiX (2): mail-mi
faust (3): Awaclus, scolapasta, ADK
Awaclus (1): WestCoastDidds

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 lasts until July 23rd, 2:10 am Forum Time

[faust]

ADK- pick someone that is not LL. it has been clear from hour one that is not happening today

Fine

Vote: faust

When exactly did your opinion on me change?

[WestCoastDidds]

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

[faust]

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

I have thought some more and come to the conclusion that we should not exile scola today.

[faust]

ADK: What's your character name?

[MiX]

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

I have thought some more and come to the conclusion that we should not exile scola today.

Accurate.

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

Can you have a different partner? I don't want an ADK/Didds team. That sounds...good.

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK: What's your character name?

Clementine Pennyfeather

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK- pick someone that is not LL. it has been clear from hour one that is not happening today

Fine

Vote: faust

When exactly did your opinion on me change?

I don't have a strong opinion on you but we're apparently playing the "pressure ADK into self-preservation votes" game again

[WestCoastDidds]

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

I have thought some more and come to the conclusion that we should not exile scola today.

Why’s that?

[faust]

Sheesh....I’m not feeling the ADK or faust wagons right now, although if it comes down to it, I’ll vote for ADK. But can we do better?

Is there enough support for Vote: Scola?

I have thought some more and come to the conclusion that we should not exile scola today.

Why’s that?

Because reasons.

[faust]

ADK- pick someone that is not LL. it has been clear from hour one that is not happening today

Fine

Vote: faust

When exactly did your opinion on me change?

I don't have a strong opinion on you but we're apparently playing the "pressure ADK into self-preservation votes" game again

Seems to me like you've had a bunch of strong opinions on me over the course of the game:

faust is towny

faust has been scummy this game

[faust]

Also the self-preservation argument is bullshit given that you're a host.

[faust]

I don't think ADK's claim makes a ton of sense flavor-wise.

[scolapasta]

ADK - your claim:

you try to track someone; if they're a host you see who they targeted? And nothing if they're human? How do you know if no results are they are human vs they're not targeting someone vs being blocked?

[LaLight]

I don't think ADK's claim makes a ton of sense flavor-wise.

I completely agree.

[LaLight]

How do you know if no results are they are human vs they're not targeting someone vs being blocked?

Amazing question actually.

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK - your claim:

you try to track someone; if they're a host you see who they targeted? And nothing if they're human? How do you know if no results are they are human vs they're not targeting someone vs being blocked?

I get a positive result on whether they're human or host, but I only get the tracking if they're a host

[LaLight]

ADK - your claim:

you try to track someone; if they're a host you see who they targeted? And nothing if they're human? How do you know if no results are they are human vs they're not targeting someone vs being blocked?

I get a positive result on whether they're human or host, but I only get the tracking if they're a host

so you're flavor cop AND Tracker? Given my role I don't think it's possible for town to have those roles.

[LaLight]

I mean too powerful

[faust]

I mean too powerful

Really? I think it's fairly weaksauce. Host/human knowledge doesn't help us catch scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't think ADK's claim makes a ton of sense flavor-wise.

I don't know a lot about the flavor but that's my role. The ability name is "greet newcomers", does that make it make any more sense?

Also the self-preservation argument is bullshit given that you're a host.

Yes because being dead and not able to use my power or vote isn't important at all

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK - your claim:

you try to track someone; if they're a host you see who they targeted? And nothing if they're human? How do you know if no results are they are human vs they're not targeting someone vs being blocked?

I get a positive result on whether they're human or host, but I only get the tracking if they're a host

so you're flavor cop AND Tracker? Given my role I don't think it's possible for town to have those roles.

"Host or human" is a far cry from flavor cop

[scolapasta]

One issue I see in exiling ADK is if they are a host (seemed fairly likely that claim is true?) then we still remain in doubt about whether they are scum or not.

That feels like it plays to scum's favor. Exile and kill hosts (which they know are not on their team, but we do not).

[mail-mi]

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

I do have maintenance but that's it

How much does scum actually care about killing humans vs. hosts? Hosts can be revived but maintenance takes a long time and requires the dead hosts to correctly pick town humans

[scolapasta]

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

True, this related to what I posted. Having this power would help scum in the effectiveness of their NKs.

I mean if there is a scum host (and there must be, right?), it'll be tough to exile them, but exile them we must.

[faust]

I don't think ADK's claim makes a ton of sense flavor-wise.

I don't know a lot about the flavor but that's my role. The ability name is "greet newcomers", does that make it make any more sense?

Less, actually. The newcomers are the humans, so if the power was named like that it would make more sense for it to do stuff to humans.

I mean, my powers aren't all that flavorful either, but this seems like a particularly ill fit.

[mail-mi]

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

I do have maintenance but that's it

How much does scum actually care about killing humans vs. hosts? Hosts can be revived but maintenance takes a long time and requires the dead hosts to correctly pick town humans

I guess they may not care, but it would still be a useful power for them. Especially if they have powers that only work on hosts/humans, like you.

[mail-mi]

I don't want another end of day Europe scramble like yesterday. I think we're likely to hit a scum host here anyway.

Vote: ADK

[scolapasta]

I don't want another end of day Europe scramble like yesterday. I think we're likely to hit a scum host here anyway.

Vote: ADK

That's the hammer, right?

I agree there's a good chance of scum here, I'm just concerned we won't know. I guess it'll be interesting for whatever human ADK contacts...

[scolapasta]

I don't want another end of day Europe scramble like yesterday. I think we're likely to hit a scum host here anyway.

Vote: ADK

That's the hammer, right?

I agree there's a good chance of scum here, I'm just concerned we won't know. I guess it'll be interesting for whatever human ADK contacts...

Though the "I don't want another end of day Europe scramble like yesterday" is a little weird. It's still only 11am forum time, i.e USA East time, so way plenty of time before we get to European scrambled.

[mail-mi]

I don't want another end of day Europe scramble like yesterday. I think we're likely to hit a scum host here anyway.

Vote: ADK

That's the hammer, right?

I agree there's a good chance of scum here, I'm just concerned we won't know. I guess it'll be interesting for whatever human ADK contacts...

I think so.

[MiX]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

It's fine to be honest. I just wish ADK was worse as scum.

Can you maintenence this night?

[mail-mi]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

It's fine to be honest. I just wish ADK was worse as scum.

Can you maintenence this night?

uh, that would be why I hammered. Also not wanting another horrible EoD like D1

[MiX]

What do we gain from roleblocking a scum tracker?

You know what, faust was right. Exiling is wrong.

I wish I was here to unvote when ADK claimed host.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

It's fine to be honest. I just wish ADK was worse as scum.

Can you maintenence this night?

I can maitenance tomorrow, because that's how maitenance works

[faust]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

Well I doubt that claim was truthful.

[MiX]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

Well I doubt that claim was truthful.

Do you think ADK's not a tracker and flavor cop?

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh.

This will be the least helpful flip ever if ADK is a host.

[WestCoastDidds]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

[scolapasta]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

Funny you think I may have engineered this when I made both the points you made:
• ADK being host is not very helpful
• hammer when so much of day is remaining

[mail-mi]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

"So much of the day remaining"? There was less than 24 hours, and I didn't want another EoD like day 1. I think ADK was scummy and it was a good enough exile for me.

Also, we're never going to just lynch humans. We have to lynch hosts at some point because I'm 100% sure there's at least 1 scum host.

[mail-mi]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

"So much of the day remaining"? There was less than 24 hours, and I didn't want another EoD like day 1. I think ADK was scummy and it was a good enough exile for me.

Also, we're never going to just lynch humans. We have to lynch hosts at some point because I'm 100% sure there's at least 1 scum host.

*Exile, woops

[faust]

Hammer's anti town. Why did we kill a scum tracker? It's not like they're not getting revived.

Well I doubt that claim was truthful.

Do you think ADK's not a tracker and flavor cop?

Yes, I think he's not a Tracker.

[WestCoastDidds]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

Funny you think I may have engineered this when I made both the points you made:
• ADK being host is not very helpful
• hammer when so much of day is remaining

That’s fair. I was annoyed and scanning quickly and it felt to me that you only really just shown up and started participating and then the exile goes off, but I see now that you were being critical of it as well. I’m clearly not a good reader when I’m annoyed. Or multitasking. Or perhaps ever.

[WestCoastDidds]

It also feels a lot like faust and scola were engineering this with yams, and that feels pretty scummilicous to me.  I am still a bit mystified about the hammer with so much of the day remaining and so few people around at the time.

"So much of the day remaining"? There was less than 24 hours, and I didn't want another EoD like day 1. I think ADK was scummy and it was a good enough exile for me.

Also, we're never going to just lynch humans. We have to lynch hosts at some point because I'm 100% sure there's at least 1 scum host.

I mean, I guess we’ll see. But the hammer came out of the blue without an intent or anything like that. Logging into a game in the morning only to find out the hammer dropped is disconcerting.

[Swowl]

yeah yall that was probably not the best. i mean I think skummy still, but after the host claim we probably should of shifted.
too late now though.

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 2.FINAL

A Drowned Kernel (5): MiX, faust, Swowl, LaLight, mail-mi
faust (3): Awaclus, scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel
scolapasta (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (0):

[Archetype]

The Mariposa seemed as good as any to carry out the group's conversation. Accusations turned to one of the courtesans of the brothel who was well known among frequent visitors to the park. Perhaps she was defective or perhaps they just didn't need her services any longer. Whatever the case, she was quietly removed...

A Drowned Kernel has been Exiled. They were Clementine Pennyfeather, a Host

Night 2 Start!

Night Actions due by July 24th at 3:00 am. Day 3 will begin July 24th at 2:30 pm.

[Archetype]

~8 hours until night action deadline

[Archetype]

Unlike the Westworld guests were typically acclimated to, the past Night left no casualties. Instead, visitors were treated with the return of a familiar face...

No one died

jotheonah has returned to life!


Day 3 Start!


Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (9): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, faust, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, Awaclus, jotheonah

With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time


Thread Unlocked!

[MiX]

Very interesting. I would be surprised if ADK wasn't scum.

Joth, what happened?

Mail-mi, didn't your action fail then? I would like to know more details.

[jotheonah]

Joth, what happened?

I died, then I came back. I might know more, but I want to wait a bit to share. Weird that there's no nightkill though.

[mail-mi]

vote: joth

My ability specifically states that if a host is town-aligned, they will come back to life at the beginning of the night. Joth was resurrected using Maintenance, not my ability. Thus, he is not town-aligned.

[LaLight]

joth is town. i know it for sure

[mail-mi]

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is not town. I know that for sure.

[MiX]

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is not town. I know that for sure.

Fight, fight, fight, fight.

Joth, you should probably claim now.

[jotheonah]

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is not town. I know that for sure.

Fight, fight, fight, fight.

Joth, you should probably claim now.

Should I though?

[MiX]

I don't know! You're the one with information!

Same for LaLight! How serious is this conflict?

[jotheonah]

I too was surprised when mail-mi's power didn't resurrect me. I thought perhaps he misspoke about the timing. The person I did maintenance with suggested not fixing me so that we could know for sure whether mail-mi's power would revive me, but ultimately we decided it was better to bring me back sooner so I can use my powers.

You guys can keep exiling me and I can keep coming back, if you think that's a productive use of our time. Or we can look for scum.

[mail-mi]

I too was surprised when mail-mi's power didn't resurrect me. I thought perhaps he misspoke about the timing. The person I did maintenance with suggested not fixing me so that we could know for sure whether mail-mi's power would revive me, but ultimately we decided it was better to bring me back sooner so I can use my powers.

You guys can keep exiling me and I can keep coming back, if you think that's a productive use of our time. Or we can look for scum.

I just specifically asked Archetype if a town-host would resurrect at the beginning of the night. He said that they would. Therefore, you cannot be town. Maybe you're a survivor or something (a survivor host would be an interesting survivor variant, actually...) but I know that you cannot be town.

[MiX]

I'm almost 100% positive joth's a third-party. That would perfectly explain my read on Glooble and this "conflict".

I'd like to hear more from LL.

[LaLight]

I know one of joth's power which is phrased and does something I can't see a scum player doing.

[LaLight]

basically i have the exact same power name and description as he does. there is a smaller chance that scum has that power, but it doesn't look like it

[LaLight]

and no, for third partythis power makes even less sense than for scum

[MiX]

I know one of joth's power which is phrased and does something I can't see a scum player doing.

Okay, so...mail-mi's also scum? Is that what you think?

Who revived joth? Is that good to claim?

Is it at all possible for your power to not work mail-mi?

[WestCoastDidds]

For the kids in back, how could tell the difference between Joth being revived at the beginning of the day or the beginning of the night? Wouldn’t we find out both at the beginning of the day?

Or do you know something more yams?

[MiX]

For the kids in back, how could tell the difference between Joth being revived at the beginning of the day or the beginning of the night? Wouldn’t we find out both at the beginning of the day?

Or do you know something more yams?

If we was revived earlier, not only would he not be able to maintenance, but he would be able to do night actions.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, okay.

Thanks, Mixy.

I have reasons to believe yams is town. I don’t have those same reasons to believe LaLight.

Yams, would other people have reasons to believe you’re town?

[jotheonah]

I have reason to believe Didds is scum, and responsible for killing me night 1.

[WestCoastDidds]

I did targeted you N1, but it wasn’t for the kill

[jotheonah]

Of course you would say that. So why did you target me?

[mail-mi]

Ah, okay.

Thanks, Mixy.

I have reasons to believe yams is town. I don’t have those same reasons to believe LaLight.

Yams, would other people have reasons to believe you’re town?

Hopefully a couple other people have reasons to believe I'm town. That number should increase by the end of today.

[MiX]

Okay, so, we should exile Didds? Is that it?

I'm leaning towards "joth wasn't shot by scum just so that they could conflict mail-mi and Didds, knowing that they would both target him with something".

Also, can the rest of town wake up? I also wanna do big reveals and stuff.

[MiX]

A-ha! I cracked the win condition! We need 1 living town host alive so that, if there's only town humans alive, and all scum are dead, scum aren't endgamed as long as they can be revived.

Although that doesn't really make much sense unless there's exactly 1 town human alive and everyone else is dead, and even then surely there's some host that must be town, right...

Well, that's still my theory. Ignore it if you want.

[WestCoastDidds]

Wake up, wake up, wake up!

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m not sure that Joth is town. I have reasons to believe yams is.

I’m going to stay in that liminal space until there is a good reason to believe otherwise. If have people have heard whispers, maybe we can add it up

[scolapasta]

Huh. this is all very interesting to me. Though I have to figure out how to interpret it.

The easy part is it does seem like we might have two grouping, amongst which one of them we should find scum (I mean I don't see how they could all be town?)

Lalight or joth, would either of you be willing to say what the name of the power is?

[scolapasta]

Ah, okay.

Thanks, Mixy.

I have reasons to believe yams is town. I don’t have those same reasons to believe LaLight.

Yams, would other people have reasons to believe you’re town?

Hopefully a couple other people have reasons to believe I'm town. That number should increase by the end of today.

What's supposed to happen at the end of the day?

[scolapasta]

A-ha! I cracked the win condition! We need 1 living town host alive so that, if there's only town humans alive, and all scum are dead, scum aren't endgamed as long as they can be revived.

Although that doesn't really make much sense unless there's exactly 1 town human alive and everyone else is dead, and even then surely there's some host that must be town, right...

Well, that's still my theory. Ignore it if you want.

Yeah only two town humans and scum *are* end gamed. Revive host, if not game over, exile host and try different host. So not sure how this really helps.

[Swowl]

I too was surprised when mail-mi's power didn't resurrect me. I thought perhaps he misspoke about the timing. The person I did maintenance with suggested not fixing me so that we could know for sure whether mail-mi's power would revive me, but ultimately we decided it was better to bring me back sooner so I can use my powers.

You guys can keep exiling me and I can keep coming back, if you think that's a productive use of our time. Or we can look for scum.

I just specifically asked Archetype if a town-host would resurrect at the beginning of the night. He said that they would. Therefore, you cannot be town. Maybe you're a survivor or something (a survivor host would be an interesting survivor variant, actually...) but I know that you cannot be town.

Why are you so sure your shot like “landed” Scola previously brought up the potential of a roleblovker - is something like that not an option?

[Swowl]

Didds - I also have a reason to suspect you for N1.
Some reassurance regarding that nights actions would potentially go a long way right now.

[Swowl]

basically i have the exact same power name and description as he does. there is a smaller chance that scum has that power, but it doesn't look like it

For scouts honor points you wanna just give the flavor name of the ability? Just so we can get a confirmation.

[faust]

This is a bit boring so far, right? Let's spice it up.

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

Vote: Awaclus

[faust]

joth is town. i know it for sure

joth is not town. I know that for sure.

You could have been roleblocked, correct?

[Swowl]

This is a bit boring so far, right? Let's spice it up.

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

Vote: Awaclus

Wows we are getting to a lots of skum. Bigger reason than the rest of this stuff?

[faust]

I have reason to believe Didds is scum, and responsible for killing me night 1.

Are are definitely going to need to give us more.

[faust]

I have reason to believe Didds is scum, and responsible for killing me night 1.

Are You are definitely going to need to give us more.

EBWOP

[faust]

This is a bit boring so far, right? Let's spice it up.

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

Vote: Awaclus

Wows we are getting to a lots of skum. Bigger reason than the rest of this stuff?

From what I can see, my reason to think he is scum is less strong than mail-mi's reason to think joth is scum, and on the other things I have not enough information to judge.

[Swowl]

I have reason to believe Didds is scum, and responsible for killing me night 1.

Are are definitely going to need to give us more.

No he doesn’t. Well he does. But Didds should go first here.

[Awaclus]

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

No you don't.

[Awaclus]

Vote: faust

[faust]

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

No you don't.

If that's all you have to say for yourself then I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.

[faust]

basically i have the exact same power name and description as he does. there is a smaller chance that scum has that power, but it doesn't look like it

Is there any confirmation of joth having the power he claims to have?

[Awaclus]

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

No you don't.

If that's all you have to say for yourself then I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.

I don't know what I could say to convince lying scum to stop lying.

[faust]

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

No you don't.

If that's all you have to say for yourself then I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.

I don't know what I could say to convince lying scum to stop lying.

Lol yeah fine continue your fake obsession with me so you can ignore everything else that's going on in the game.

[Awaclus]

I have reason to believe Awaclus is scum.

No you don't.

If that's all you have to say for yourself then I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.

I don't know what I could say to convince lying scum to stop lying.

Lol yeah fine continue your fake obsession with me so you can ignore everything else that's going on in the game.

What fake obsession? I'm town and you're softclaiming a guilty PR result on me.

[LaLight]

vote: joth

My ability specifically states that if a host is town-aligned, they will come back to life at the beginning of the night. Joth was resurrected using Maintenance, not my ability. Thus, he is not town-aligned.

i don't understand. if joth was resurrected by Maintenance, why does it mean he's not town-aligned? did you resurrect him?

[LaLight]

vote: Didds

[LaLight]

wait, unvote

joth, you didn't use your ability, how do you know Didds targeted you?

[MiX]

Scola, what happened last night?

Okay, so we have Didds & mail-mi versus joth & LaLight, and we have faust versus Awaclus...that's 3 scum right there.

I presume faust copped Awaclus, as that seems to be about the level of confidence he has.

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

[LaLight]

Scola, what happened last night?

Okay, so we have Didds & mail-mi versus joth & LaLight, and we have faust versus Awaclus...that's 3 scum right there.

I presume faust copped Awaclus, as that seems to be about the level of confidence he has.

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

not really, I found the discrepancy in joth's words/actions

[MiX]

So what's your stance now?

[jotheonah]

wait, unvote

joth, you didn't use your ability, how do you know Didds targeted you?

I used an ability Night 1 that told me Didds targeted me. Obviously I didn't use an ability night 2.

[jotheonah]

I have already claimed my info in QT to the person who rezz'd me so they can keep me from changing my story, therefore it does not make sense for me to fullclaim my info first. Popcorn faust.

[LaLight]

I used an ability Night 1

Although I have a result that clearly says you didn't. Do you have more than one ability? Did you use the one that needs Protect to be posted?

[LaLight]

So what's your stance now?

As you can see I am asking questions and try to make sense of it all.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

I missed the night action deadline by like 2 hours. Which is to say, I was going to, but didn't.

[LaLight]

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

[MiX]

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

I missed the night action deadline by like 2 hours. Which is to say, I was going to, but didn't.

Really? Anything N1 then?

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

What do you mean by "who the person is"? Did you get a yes N1?

So there's a scum me going around...that makes sense. That makes me look hella scummy, haha.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

I missed the night action deadline by like 2 hours. Which is to say, I was going to, but didn't.

Really? Anything N1 then?

I did do something N1.

[MiX]

Should you say anything about it?

[Awaclus]

No.

[WestCoastDidds]

I can deflect actions from one person to another.

N1 I deflected actions meant for ADK to Joth.
N2 I deflected actions meant for faust to Awaclus

Vote: Awaclus

[MiX]

I can deflect actions from one person to another.

N1 I deflected actions meant for ADK to Joth.
N2 I deflected actions meant for faust to Awaclus

Vote: Awaclus

Vote: Didds

So Didds didn't kill, and neither did ADK...so who did?

Whoever doc'd faust, well done!

[WestCoastDidds]

wait, unvote

joth, you didn't use your ability, how do you know Didds targeted you?

I used an ability Night 1 that told me Didds targeted me. Obviously I didn't use an ability night 2.

You used an ability, or it was info you received after being rezzed?

[LaLight]

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

I missed the night action deadline by like 2 hours. Which is to say, I was going to, but didn't.

Really? Anything N1 then?

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

What do you mean by "who the person is"? Did you get a yes N1?

So there's a scum me going around...that makes sense. That makes me look hella scummy, haha.

you can say that. basically, i got that joth has an ability but he didn't target anyone with it

[WestCoastDidds]

I think Joth received the targeting information when he was rezzed as part of his role. If he did, that explains why LL  got the no action result in Joth N1.

[MiX]

LaLight, can you go over how your role works in more detail? It's extremely important.

I think Joth received the targeting information when he was rezzed as part of his role. If he did, that explains why LL  got the no action result in Joth N1.

That's not what he claimed.

[WestCoastDidds]

Agreed.

We need verification from whomever he claimed to, but I think I’m right and that he misspoke.

[MiX]

Agreed.

We need verification from whomever he claimed to, but I think I’m right and that he misspoke.

That would be a severe enough mistake for us to assume he's not town in my book.

[scolapasta]

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

I don't understand this:
so you choose joth and N1  and got NO. Then what exactly do you mean by you guessed joth? You already picked joth with the action?

Color me confused.

[MiX]

Color me scola'd.

Scola what did you do last night?

[scolapasta]

I can deflect actions from one person to another.

N1 I deflected actions meant for ADK to Joth.
N2 I deflected actions meant for faust to Awaclus

Vote: Awaclus

Vote: Didds

So Didds didn't kill, and neither did ADK...so who did?

Whoever doc'd faust, well done!

Why do you think someone doctored faust? Why not awaclus?

[scolapasta]

Color me scola'd.

Scola what did you do last night?

Waiting on some mod answers before deciding to claim anything.

I can say I was not blocked this time.

[WestCoastDidds]

Even if he misspoke, though, I don’t know if that makes him town, and it doesn’t explain why yams’ ability couldn’t work on him, so he could be a scum host for sure.

PPE... yep, yep. It’s pretty big, since he definitely implied it was something he used rather than a passive ability. We can exile him again, but learn nothing new. Whomever rezzed him must have found him town. I’m guessing Swowl?

PPE 3 more

[MiX]

Faust is cooler.

Sorry Awaclus.

Color me scola'd.

Scola what did you do last night?

Waiting on some mod answers before deciding to claim anything.

I can say I was not blocked this time.

I have a scum result on you then.

Vote: scola

Please claim as soon as you can.

[scolapasta]

Faust is cooler.

Sorry Awaclus.

Color me scola'd.

Scola what did you do last night?

Waiting on some mod answers before deciding to claim anything.

I can say I was not blocked this time.

I have a scum result on you then.

Vote: scola

Please claim as soon as you can.

Let me at least get my answers first...

Ironically (?) I can understand your vote on me and it makes me think you are town.

[jotheonah]

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

Not to me.

[jotheonah]

I do have more than one ability. I used a targeted ability night 1.

[Awaclus]

I can deflect actions from one person to another.

N1 I deflected actions meant for ADK to Joth.
N2 I deflected actions meant for faust to Awaclus

Why?

[LaLight]

LaLight, can you go over how your role works in more detail? It's extremely important.

I think Joth received the targeting information when he was rezzed as part of his role. If he did, that explains why LL  got the no action result in Joth N1.

That's not what he claimed.

I don't want to fullclaim to be honest. why is that important?

[LaLight]

I do have more than one ability. I used a targeted ability night 1.

well, this directly counterclaims what I saw.

i will think about claiming on my way home, this is an hour or something

[MiX]

LaLight, can you go over how your role works in more detail? It's extremely important.

I think Joth received the targeting information when he was rezzed as part of his role. If he did, that explains why LL  got the no action result in Joth N1.

That's not what he claimed.

I don't want to fullclaim to be honest. why is that important?

Because I don't understand your softclaim and I believe you have really good information.

[scolapasta]

<b>Vote: Didds</b>

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

[scolapasta]

Sigh...

Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

[MiX]

...Still waiting for the mod, huh.

Let's call him!

Vote count please!

[scolapasta]

Nope, i got my answer. which is how I know Didds is fabricating.

[MiX]

Scola, what did you do last night?

[faust]

It seems we have a caught scum. Even so, I think at this junction it is important that I claim.

I'm a modified Roleblocker. I can target a player and block all actions they take that target a subset of player that I name.

Night 1 I blocked scolapasta from targeting LaLight, MiX, WCD.
Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

I have another ability that I did not use yet.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

[MiX]

I'm all in on the "Didds is scum" wagon, but why is she caught?

[faust]

I'm all in on the "Didds is scum" wagon, but why is she caught?

I read scolapasta as saying he knows that she is lying.

[MiX]

I'm all in on the "Didds is scum" wagon, but why is she caught?

I read scolapasta as saying he knows that she is lying.

But that's impossible, I specifically made it so that he can't know that...

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m 100% telling the truth.

I have nothing to backpedal from.

I’ma town host, though, so we can exile me without a real loss. Nothing in the way of information from my flip though.

Mail-mi has communicated with me about something through arch. He can likely vouch for my town/host-ness.

Vote: Scola

[MiX]

What else do you do, other than redirect people?

[MiX]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

[scolapasta]

I'm all in on the "Didds is scum" wagon, but why is she caught?

I read scolapasta as saying he knows that she is lying.

But that's impossible, I specifically made it so that he can't know that...

What did you do to me?

[MiX]

I asked for you to claim what you did way before! I'm not answering before you do.

[scolapasta]

I’m 100% telling the truth.

I have nothing to backpedal from.

I’ma town host, though, so we can exile me without a real loss. Nothing in the way of information from my flip though.

Mail-mi has communicated with me about something through arch. He can likely vouch for my town/host-ness.

Vote: Scola

If what I did last night worked correctly, you cannot be telling the truth.

Now, of course, it sounds like MiX is claiming he did something to me that would make what I did not work correctly? Waiting to hear from him more. But if that is true, then there is an explanation for you telling the truth and why I thought you were not.

As a host, do you have maintenance then? (are we at the point where we should assume all host have maintenance?) What's your character name?

[scolapasta]

I asked for you to claim what you did way before! I'm not answering before you do.

Yeah, but you did something to me. I did not target you. I'd like to understand how what you did affected what I did before I claim more.

[MiX]

How about you claim already and drop this! We probably caught scum already, so now let's catch another one!

Unvote

I asked for you to claim what you did way before! I'm not answering before you do.

Yeah, but you did something to me. I did not target you. I'd like to understand how what you did affected what I did before I claim more.

No! That's not hot that works. I specifically need you to claim exactly what you did before I claim. Otherwise this is useless.

[MiX]

Okay, I might've gotten redirected, so let's take it from the top.

Did every ability of yours work perfectly, from your point of view?

[scolapasta]

Okay, I might've gotten redirected, so let's take it from the top.

Did every ability of yours work perfectly, from your point of view?

It's impossible to be certain, but from my point of view, I had no reason to doubt the results of my abilities, until you said that you did something to me. Hence why I was willing to come out so definitively against Didds' claim.

[MiX]

I was definitely redirected then.

Who was roleblocked?

[scolapasta]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m 100% telling the truth.

I have nothing to backpedal from.

I’ma town host, though, so we can exile me without a real loss. Nothing in the way of information from my flip though.

Mail-mi has communicated with me about something through arch. He can likely vouch for my town/host-ness.

Vote: Scola

If what I did last night worked correctly, you cannot be telling the truth.

Now, of course, it sounds like MiX is claiming he did something to me that would make what I did not work correctly? Waiting to hear from him more. But if that is true, then there is an explanation for you telling the truth and why I thought you were not.

As a host, do you have maintenance then? (are we at the point where we should assume all host have maintenance?) What's your character name?

I don’t know what happened to you. But I have claimed exactly what my night orders were. No squirming, no back peddling.

My powers are deflection, maintenance, and finding out who targeted me when I come back to life (why I thought Joth would know this without “using” a power)

I’m Maeve Millay

[MiX]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

My roleblock failed N1, if that's what you're asking.

PPE: Towny powers, for sure. Calling it "deflection" means you're definitley a redirector, at least.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, you need to present as similarly definitive claim now.

Who are, what did you do, what have you done?

[WestCoastDidds]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

My roleblock failed N1, if that's what you're asking.

PPE: Towny powers, for sure. Calling it "deflection" means you're definitley a redirector, at least.

I don’t know the mafia names for powers. When I guess I screw it up. I redirect from a target to a different target. I’ve been choosing to deflect from people I think are town to my scumreads.

[LaLight]

me first!

[scolapasta]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

My roleblock failed N1, if that's what you're asking.

PPE: Towny powers, for sure. Calling it "deflection" means you're definitley a redirector, at least.

"be" should have been "me". Since you are a roleblocker, and I got roleblocked N1, was wondering if it was you. Sounds like it wasn't meaning there's another roleblocker out there.

Didds, if you got roleblocked, would you know?

[scolapasta]

i.e. I want to believe you, but my results say otherwise.

I will claim something (but not all) in a few.

[WestCoastDidds]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

My roleblock failed N1, if that's what you're asking.

PPE: Towny powers, for sure. Calling it "deflection" means you're definitley a redirector, at least.

"be" should have been "me". Since you are a roleblocker, and I got roleblocked N1, was wondering if it was you. Sounds like it wasn't meaning there's another roleblocker out there.

Didds, if you got roleblocked, would you know?

No, I wouldn’t know if I was blocked.

[LaLight]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

[MiX]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

What did you do first night?

Also, my PR works very well with that ability, and I think you can't be scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

[WestCoastDidds]

LL could also tell us if our powers are on his list of the possible powers.

[MiX]

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

He can't use it N2. He was dead.

LL could also tell us if our powers are on his list of the possible powers.

I presume he doesn't know the names...?

[scolapasta]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

What does it mean that you saved ADK? When you first explained your power in #304, you said that the host you saved would stay alive and the person you chose would be exiled. But that is not what happened.

[MiX]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

What does it mean that you saved ADK? When you first explained your power in #304, you said that the host you saved would stay alive and the person you chose would be exiled. But that is not what happened.

Well, LL was voting for ADK, so...uh...he saved ADK and killed them?

[LaLight]

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

he can't use it dead

[LaLight]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

What does it mean that you saved ADK? When you first explained your power in #304, you said that the host you saved would stay alive and the person you chose would be exiled. But that is not what happened.

Well, LL was voting for ADK, so...uh...he saved ADK and killed them?

yes. but if comes back, he will be counted as 'saved'

[LaLight]

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

He can't use it N2. He was dead.

LL could also tell us if our powers are on his list of the possible powers.

I presume he doesn't know the names...?

i don't

[LaLight]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

What did you do first night?

Also, my PR works very well with that ability, and I think you can't be scum.

visited some people and got no on both. i don't see a reason to share who

[scolapasta]

Stop making me have to go back and hunt old discrepancies:

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

He can't use it N2. He was dead.

LL could also tell us if our powers are on his list of the possible powers.

I presume he doesn't know the names...?

i don't

[LaLight]

Stop making me have to go back and hunt old discrepancies:

let me softclaim smth

I can see the name and the effect of the ability of a person. To find out what it is I choose a person and a night. If a person used this ability that night i get the result, basically "yes". than, during the day I can guess who the person is and if I guess right, I get to know the effect and the name of the ability.

So I got the result that joth didn't use the ability N1, but then I guessed joth and got it right. Does this make sense?

LL wouldn’t he have used it on N2 to find out what happened to him on N1?

He can't use it N2. He was dead.

LL could also tell us if our powers are on his list of the possible powers.

I presume he doesn't know the names...?

i don't

yeah, if i guess right

[LaLight]

so i misunderstood something about my role. at night i see if the person was targeted by a role I'm looking for, not have the role. My bad. so joth is truthful

vote: Didds

[LaLight]

basically I know tei people, whom joth didn't target N1

[LaLight]

two*

[faust]

Well, then if you were redirected*, Didds is lying.

* so you roleblocked? Did you roleblock be two nights in a row?

My roleblock failed N1, if that's what you're asking.

PPE: Towny powers, for sure. Calling it "deflection" means you're definitley a redirector, at least.

"be" should have been "me". Since you are a roleblocker, and I got roleblocked N1, was wondering if it was you. Sounds like it wasn't meaning there's another roleblocker out there.

Didds, if you got roleblocked, would you know?

You um should go check out my claim.

[scolapasta]

It seems we have a caught scum. Even so, I think at this junction it is important that I claim.

I'm a modified Roleblocker. I can target a player and block all actions they take that target a subset of player that I name.

Night 1 I blocked scolapasta from targeting LaLight, MiX, WCD.
Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

I have another ability that I did not use yet.

Ah, somehow I completely missed this post.

N1 checks out, I had targeted LL.

How many can you include in the subset?

[scolapasta]

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

[WestCoastDidds]

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

I didn’t target him. I redirected people who targeted him to Awaclus.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: Awaclus

[Swowl]

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

I didn’t target him. I redirected people who targeted him to Awaclus.

Does t that mean you targeted him?

[MiX]

Vote: Awaclus

Hmm?

Well, this day seems to be solved.

Kill: Didds

[Swowl]

Vote: Awaclus

Hmm?

Well, this day seems to be solved.

Kill: Didds

Is that real?

[MiX]

It is if Didds is done claiming, which looks like it is the case. I'm fairly certain I was redirected, Didds is a redirector...

[WestCoastDidds]

It is if Didds is done claiming, which looks like it is the case. I'm fairly certain I was redirected, Didds is a redirector...

Huh?

[WestCoastDidds]

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

I didn’t target him. I redirected people who targeted him to Awaclus.

Does t that mean you targeted him?

No? I targeted Awaclus.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m don’t get what I’m missing.

MiXy, if I’m really dead again and you’re town this is TWiCE that you’ve mis-killed me. Cut it out. If you’re scum, we’ll, then, of course you did.

[Swowl]

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

I didn’t target him. I redirected people who targeted him to Awaclus.

Does t that mean you targeted him?

No? I targeted Awaclus.

How is your action of switching their stuff to another player not defined as rage testing the other player. An RD would target both right A and B right?

[MiX]

I’m don’t get what I’m missing.

MiXy, if I’m really dead again and you’re town this is TWiCE that you’ve mis-killed me. Cut it out. If you’re scum, we’ll, then, of course you did.

You have maintenance, right? I was planning to kill joth, but...if you're going to be the exile, might as well, right?

OK, so here's my claim:

I watched faust last night; Didds did not target him.

I didn’t target him. I redirected people who targeted him to Awaclus.

Does t that mean you targeted him?

No? I targeted Awaclus.

How is your action of switching their stuff to another player not defined as rage testing the other player. An RD would target both right A and B right?

Not to mention that scola would've targetted Awaclus instead, since you redirected him.

[MiX]

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't want a redirector alive.

Actually killing for real: Didds

[scolapasta]

I confirmed with mod that if Didds had redirected from faust to awaclus, I would have received a response on Didds. I did not, therefore, something is not right.

Seems reasonable to think that she redirected MiX, since he claims to have roleblocked me, and clearly that did not happen.

[MiX]

Someone out there knows they were roleblocked. It should be trivial to know who I ended up picking.

You know, if they actually claimed as such.

I think out of the alive players, mail-mi, joth and Swowl are the only ones with no opportunity to have claimed that.

It's also possible I was redirected onto ADK, but that would just be wierd.

[Archetype]

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[Archetype]

A shot burst out from the crowd, striking WestCoastDidds in the chest. They fell to the ground, their eyes blankly staring ahead. The park was temporarily stalled while their body was moved away...


WestCoastDidds has been killed. They were Maeve Millay the Host.

[Archetype]

Votes have been reset.

Vote Count 3.1

Not Voting ( 8 ): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, faust, Swowl, Awaclus, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time

Thread Unlocked

[MiX]

There. If 2 scum are dead, we have 1 shot at exiling the scum human today. I suggest a massclaim.

I will claim once everyone else claims about the roleblock thing I've been talking about. I'm also a 1-shot dayvig, that sadly can only kill hosts.

[Swowl]

I  is voice to text playing while driving back from Oregon. Yes to claim. Don’t kill anyone else for a minute please.

[Swowl]

Mix which kill command did it question mark

[MiX]

Mix which kill command did it question mark

The one in my QT.

[LaLight]

well, probably vote: Awaclus then

[LaLight]

i still don't understand mail-mi/joth discrepancy

[scolapasta]

i still don't understand mail-mi/joth discrepancy

Right. Plus there's Didds saying that mail-mi can vouch for her. So I'd like to her more from him and what he communicated to Didds via mod.

[Awaclus]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

[scolapasta]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

Why not use ability?

[MiX]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

Why not use ability?

Awaclus, did you do anything noteworthy last night?

I missed the night action deadline by like 2 hours. Which is to say, I was going to, but didn't.

[Awaclus]

Vote: faust

[mail-mi]

I too was surprised when mail-mi's power didn't resurrect me. I thought perhaps he misspoke about the timing. The person I did maintenance with suggested not fixing me so that we could know for sure whether mail-mi's power would revive me, but ultimately we decided it was better to bring me back sooner so I can use my powers.

You guys can keep exiling me and I can keep coming back, if you think that's a productive use of our time. Or we can look for scum.

I just specifically asked Archetype if a town-host would resurrect at the beginning of the night. He said that they would. Therefore, you cannot be town. Maybe you're a survivor or something (a survivor host would be an interesting survivor variant, actually...) but I know that you cannot be town.

Why are you so sure your shot like “landed” Scola previously brought up the potential of a roleblovker - is something like that not an option?

Have not read anything past this, but: my power is used during the day, not the night. I don't think there's a day-roleblocker this game.

[mail-mi]

vote: joth

My ability specifically states that if a host is town-aligned, they will come back to life at the beginning of the night. Joth was resurrected using Maintenance, not my ability. Thus, he is not town-aligned.

i don't understand. if joth was resurrected by Maintenance, why does it mean he's not town-aligned? did you resurrect him?

I targeted him with a rez during D2. If he was town, he would have been rezzed at the beginning of the night. He was not rezzed then. Thus, he is not town.

[mail-mi]

Aww, crap, I knew Didds was a host. 

I can claim something: I have no night abilities.

[faust]

Well alright. joth is scum, no? But we would rather exile a human scum today?

I don't think I want to claim more of my abilities right now. I could do host/human claim, and/or flavor name.

[faust]

Or you know, just do a fullclaim, it's probably fine.

I am Theresea Cullen, a human.

My remaining ability is that once if I use my Roleblock power, I can check whether it caused an action to fail. However this comes with a drawback: If a human kills me from that point forward, that killing ability is untraceable for the rest of the game.

[faust]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

You can go reread my Day 2, it should become apparent that I blocked scola then.

[LaLight]

Or you know, just do a fullclaim, it's probably fine.

I am Theresea Cullen, a human.

My remaining ability is that once if I use my Roleblock power, I can check whether it caused an action to fail. However this comes with a drawback: If a human kills me from that point forward, that killing ability is untraceable for the rest of the game.

why did you claim the second part at all?

[faust]

Or you know, just do a fullclaim, it's probably fine.

I am Theresea Cullen, a human.

My remaining ability is that once if I use my Roleblock power, I can check whether it caused an action to fail. However this comes with a drawback: If a human kills me from that point forward, that killing ability is untraceable for the rest of the game.

why did you claim the second part at all?

Because we're doing a massclaim.

[faust]

And I don't think having this information about my role helps scum.

[MiX]

Aww, crap, I knew Didds was a host. 

I can claim something: I have no night abilities.

So did we all. What did you guys talk about?

Well alright. joth is scum, no? But we would rather exile a human scum today?

I don't think I want to claim more of my abilities right now. I could do host/human claim, and/or flavor name.

I think mail-mi is scum. I'd like to remind everyone that mail-mi and Didds had a neighborhood during this day. Isn't that convenient? It's almost like they simply had a way to communicate last night...why else would mail-mi pick Didds? And you know who can communicate at night? Scum.

I believe the scum team's ADK/Didds/mail-mi, and if we kill mail-mi we win, and hopefully so does the third-party we're missing. I think 8v3 is too strong for town in this setup, given we can revive people.

Who revived joth?

[faust]

Who revived joth?

LaLight.

I would be pretty elaborate for mail-mi to set up joth the way he did, especially as he framed it as confirming himself as town, not as checking joth's alignment. I don't quite see a mail-mi/Didds team going for something like that.

[faust]

At the very least we should have a claim from Awaclus, he's the only one we don't have any information on.

[MiX]

Who revived joth?

LaLight.

I would be pretty elaborate for mail-mi to set up joth the way he did, especially as he framed it as confirming himself as town, not as checking joth's alignment. I don't quite see a mail-mi/Didds team going for something like that.

Fair enough. Did he claim that?

Well, it's elaborate and backfired for no reason, but I really don't see any other reason for that to have worked this way. I think joth's just a third-party, but it doesn't mean mail-mi's town.

At the very least we should have a claim from Awaclus, he's the only one we don't have any information on.

Do you know anything of Swowl? At least Awaclus claimed to not know anything of note.

[LaLight]

Who revived joth?

LaLight.

I would be pretty elaborate for mail-mi to set up joth the way he did, especially as he framed it as confirming himself as town, not as checking joth's alignment. I don't quite see a mail-mi/Didds team going for something like that.

what no. I didn't revive joth. I thought it was yams

[jotheonah]

You're both wrong. It was Swowl. So he and I can both confirm each other's claims, which is why I propose we should go last. Although, I only claimed half my role to Swowl so I can claim the other half now.

[MiX]

You're both wrong. It was Swowl. So he and I can both confirm each other's claims, which is why I propose we should go last. Although, I only claimed half my role to Swowl so I can claim the other half now.

What's your win condition? Why did you pick Swowl?

[jotheonah]

I win when all the mafia are dead and there's at least one town host alive.

I picked Swowl because he seemed to believe I was town and I had no reason to think he wasn't human.

[MiX]

What's the other half of your role?

[Awaclus]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

You can go reread my Day 2, it should become apparent that I blocked scola then.

So you were lying here?

Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

[MiX]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

You can go reread my Day 2, it should become apparent that I blocked scola then.

So you were lying here?

Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

Night 1 I blocked scolapasta from targeting LaLight, MiX, WCD.
Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

Day 2 is before Night 2.

[jotheonah]

I'm Teddy Flood.

My second power is called Massacre and it lets me, once per game, during the day but only early in the day, kill everyone who has already been killed. Now that I see how this game is going I see how this could be useful for town. It does not guarantee that they can't be rezzed again. Also, I assume if I used it now it would affect myself, which doesn't mean I won't do it but I have to be pretty darn sure it will win us the game.

[faust]

At the very least we should have a claim from Awaclus, he's the only one we don't have any information on.

Do you know anything of Swowl? At least Awaclus claimed to not know anything of note.

He claimed some mystery knowledge about joth's death on D2 IIRC.

[Awaclus]

Day 2 is before Night 2.

Sure. I don't see how that's relevant.

[faust]

Day 2 is before Night 2.

Sure. I don't see how that's relevant.

You can read my Day 2 and it will become apparent that I had blocked scolapasta during N1.

[Awaclus]

Day 2 is before Night 2.

Sure. I don't see how that's relevant.

You can read my Day 2 and it will become apparent that I had blocked scolapasta during N1.

Sure. I don't see how that's relevant.

Eh, I guess I can confirm that I indeed was not blocked during N1.

[MiX]

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

You can go reread my Day 2, it should become apparent that I blocked scola then.

So you were lying here?

Night 2 I blocked Awaclus from targeting joth, LaLight, MiX, Swowl and me.

How is faust lying? Why do you think he's scum?

[scolapasta]

Some things I'd like to know:

• more about mail-mi / didds - he conveniently posted a few things last night, yet ignored questions around this
• who was roleblocked last night - MiX claims to have role blocked me, but deflected by didds, so who was roleblocked instead?
• MiX why did you think faust was doctored?
• related, why was there no NK last night?

[Awaclus]

How is faust lying? Why do you think he's scum?

Assuming that this post has absolutely nothing to do with the post that it's quoting:

I think I see what's happening now...

Was anyone roleblocked last night?

Faust claims he roleblocked me, but I can neither confirm nor deny this as I did not use any abilities. If I had used my ability and gotten roleblocked, I would have known something unusual was up.

You can go reread my Day 2, it should become apparent that I blocked scola then.

then he might not be lying.

[MiX]

Some things I'd like to know:

• more about mail-mi / didds - he conveniently posted a few things last night, yet ignored questions around this
• who was roleblocked last night - MiX claims to have role blocked me, but deflected by didds, so who was roleblocked instead?
• MiX why did you think faust was doctored?
• related, why was there no NK last night?

- So do I.
- Good question! Whoever was knows it, so how hard can it be?
- It made sense when I thought Didds was town.

[scolapasta]

I'm Teddy Flood.

My second power is called Massacre and it lets me, once per game, during the day but only early in the day, kill everyone who has already been killed. Now that I see how this game is going I see how this could be useful for town. It does not guarantee that they can't be rezzed again. Also, I assume if I used it now it would affect myself, which doesn't mean I won't do it but I have to be pretty darn sure it will win us the game.

That's a pretty cool power.

Did you tell us your first power? (probably) If so, can you remind me, so I don't have to go find it?

[scolapasta]

• MiX why did you think faust was doctored?

- It made sense when I thought Didds was town.

Would you please elaborate? I get the no NK could mean someone doctored, sure. But why faust specifically? Why not you or me or anyone else?

[MiX]

• MiX why did you think faust was doctored?

- It made sense when I thought Didds was town.

Would you please elaborate? I get the no NK could mean someone doctored, sure. But why faust specifically? Why not you or me or anyone else?

Because faust is cool.

Look, I almost fullclaimed, anything else is me trying to piece together possibilities.

[MiX]

I'm Teddy Flood.

My second power is called Massacre and it lets me, once per game, during the day but only early in the day, kill everyone who has already been killed. Now that I see how this game is going I see how this could be useful for town. It does not guarantee that they can't be rezzed again. Also, I assume if I used it now it would affect myself, which doesn't mean I won't do it but I have to be pretty darn sure it will win us the game.

That's a pretty cool power.

Did you tell us your first power? (probably) If so, can you remind me, so I don't have to go find it?

He knows that Didds picked him? Or something?

[mail-mi]

Aww, crap, I knew Didds was a host. 

I can claim something: I have no night abilities.

So did we all. What did you guys talk about?

Well alright. joth is scum, no? But we would rather exile a human scum today?

I don't think I want to claim more of my abilities right now. I could do host/human claim, and/or flavor name.

I think mail-mi is scum. I'd like to remind everyone that mail-mi and Didds had a neighborhood during this day. Isn't that convenient? It's almost like they simply had a way to communicate last night...why else would mail-mi pick Didds? And you know who can communicate at night? Scum.

I believe the scum team's ADK/Didds/mail-mi, and if we kill mail-mi we win, and hopefully so does the third-party we're missing. I think 8v3 is too strong for town in this setup, given we can revive people.

Who revived joth?

No neighborhood. I can send 2 messages to people per day, and if they are a host I can use a special ability to help or harm them. I messaged Didds cause she's nice and I figured she might be a host. Turns out, she was. This is the same power that let me attempt to rez joth.

[scolapasta]

I'm Teddy Flood.

My second power is called Massacre and it lets me, once per game, during the day but only early in the day, kill everyone who has already been killed. Now that I see how this game is going I see how this could be useful for town. It does not guarantee that they can't be rezzed again. Also, I assume if I used it now it would affect myself, which doesn't mean I won't do it but I have to be pretty darn sure it will win us the game.

That's a pretty cool power.

Did you tell us your first power? (probably) If so, can you remind me, so I don't have to go find it?

He knows that Didds picked him? Or something?

Ah, right, I remember that now. Vaguely.

[scolapasta]

OK, I'm ready for a more complete claim.

I am a modified Watcher. Each Night I can watch someone and get a count of how many people targeted them. Additionally I can try to identify up to 2 people and get a yes/no response if they were part of that count.

N1, I was blocked.
N2, faust was targeted by 4 people. One was me, so 3 others.

Which is why I'm been asking MiX about faust being doctored. Since a reasonable explanation for 2 of those others were NK and doctor.

Didds did not target faust. Neither did mail-mi.

Assuming my above hypothesis, mail-mi is either not scum, or at least not the only scum left.

[jotheonah]

I haven't claimed the details of my other power in the thread, but I have claimed them to Swowl, so I maintain that I should wait until the last moment to claim it publicly for the sake of making scum claim with less info. Ditto for Swowl's power and actions, which he claimed to me.

That said, although Swowl is basically conf!town to me for agreeing to rez me, my investigative result could point to him rather than to Didds. Which I would have shared earlier if I had known MiX had a dayvig and a twitchy trigger finger.

[MiX]

I haven't claimed the details of my other power in the thread, but I have claimed them to Swowl, so I maintain that I should wait until the last moment to claim it publicly for the sake of making scum claim with less info. Ditto for Swowl's power and actions, which he claimed to me.

That said, although Swowl is basically conf!town to me for agreeing to rez me, my investigative result could point to him rather than to Didds. Which I would have shared earlier if I had known MiX had a dayvig and a twitchy trigger finger.

Dayvigs in this setup don't matter. I just wanted to remove the redirector for a day. Swowl, feel free to rez Didds, I won't stop you.

[faust]

So 4 people targeted me, and it was not me, not Didds, not mail-mi, not Awaclus.

...there were only 4 other people alive.

[MiX]

So 4 people targeted me, and it was not me, not Didds, not mail-mi, not Awaclus.

...there were only 4 other people alive.

Ain't me either!

So it can only be...umm...LaLight, ADK, Swowl, joth, Awaclus, right?

[faust]

So 4 people targeted me, and it was not me, not Didds, not mail-mi, not Awaclus.

...there were only 4 other people alive.

Ain't me either!

So it can only be...umm...LaLight, ADK, Swowl, joth, Awaclus, right?

But joth/ADK were dead.... also actions on me could have been redirected to whoever you've been targeting.

[faust]

& I specifically blocked Awaclus from targeting me.

[MiX]

& I specifically blocked Awaclus from targeting me.

I forgot about that.

So 4 people targeted me, and it was not me, not Didds, not mail-mi, not Awaclus.

...there were only 4 other people alive.

Ain't me either!

So it can only be...umm...LaLight, ADK, Swowl, joth, Awaclus, right?

But joth/ADK were dead.... also actions on me could have been redirected to whoever you've been targeting.

Maintenance works when dead, why not something else? At this point I just presume I was redirected to ADK, and that they did something.

I couldn't have targeted you, as you weren't roleblocked. Right?

[scolapasta]

You could have targeted him with the NK...

[MiX]

You could have targeted him with the NK...

We can worry about that once we have a doc claim that picked faust and only 3 people claiming to have picked faust. Until then, we have 3 ppl that picked him out of "MiX/LaLight/ADK/Swowl/joth", and I claim that I didn't.

[scolapasta]

Not saying yet, I think you did, just pointing out that for sure you could have.

Also, I reread maintenance in the OP; it is a daytime ability.

[jotheonah]

I did not target faust with anything. Actually I did nothing at all night 2.

[MiX]

I did not target faust with anything. Actually I did nothing at all night 2.

Well, you were in a QT with Swowl, I presume?

[scolapasta]

Once thing I've just realized, there's more details about MiX's role blocking he's not telling us - every other power is "modified" like my Watcher, Faust's roleblocker, so I'm sure there's something else there.

Care to share?

[MiX]

Once thing I've just realized, there's more details about MiX's role blocking he's not telling us - every other power is "modified" like my Watcher, Faust's roleblocker, so I'm sure there's something else there.

Care to share?

I will once I know who I ended up picking.

My 1-shot dayvig's also more complicated than it needs to be.

[LaLight]

I didn't target faust N2.

I targeted hypercube and joth

[jotheonah]

I did not target faust with anything. Actually I did nothing at all night 2.

Well, you were in a QT with Swowl, I presume?

well yes

[Swowl]

I did not target faust with anything. Actually I did nothing at all night 2.

Well, you were in a QT with Swowl, I presume?

been away this weekend. let me catch up to be sure on what is happening.

I was with Joth. Everything that he has posted thus far seems to check out with what he told me. I will confirm in a few moments once I have read.

[Swowl]

jfc all... I will get it done tonight, but I need like a CIS whiteboard and some string for this shit.

I am gonna ask a few questions in a minute - I am pre apologizing if I looked over it being asked previously...

[Swowl]

OK caught up:

Faust - is there a downside to your subset. Like is there a way your block does not go off based on your own actions?

[Swowl]

@ MM - I specifically have an ability that is built around blocking Day use abilities. So that does for sure exist.

[Swowl]

General whatever with Joth....

1. They claimed to have a result on me targeting them (which is accurate) prior to me telling them. In fact I even tested them and half claimed the front part of my actions first just on the off chance, withholding them from my target list. After that, they said something like that is weird... I got you targeting me or WCD (neither of which I claimed to him), and I did in fact target Joth. So it is supppper unlikely Joth is lying because even if a potential skum mate had a result, how would they relay that info to them. Or I guess I should say it is super unlikely Joth is lying... I think they are town for a plethora of other reasons.

2. We had no kill NIght 2 and one kill on Night 1. someone explain to me the less than obvious explanation for how that does not make Joth Town here.

3. WCD would of popped up on multiple radars if they did what they said they did. They didn't. They are skum (love you homie), but no one rez that.

[Swowl]

I want MiX to claim. Not coming after you - just we need info and we might be able to put some good stuff together with your claim.

[Swowl]

I think we should mass claim. I do not give a eff about the order other than I want MiX to go first and I want to go last.

[Swowl]

Oh also I did not say this in the Joth Post .... but everything Joth has posted in thread adds up 100% with what they told me in out QT.

[faust]

OK caught up:

Faust - is there a downside to your subset. Like is there a way your block does not go off based on your own actions?

I don't know what you mean, but I claimed everything so you know what I know.

[Swowl]

OK caught up:

Faust - is there a downside to your subset. Like is there a way your block does not go off based on your own actions?

I don't know what you mean, but I claimed everything so you know what I know.

so you could say Player A blocks "every player in the game" and it would work on your end no matter what?

[faust]

OK caught up:

Faust - is there a downside to your subset. Like is there a way your block does not go off based on your own actions?

I don't know what you mean, but I claimed everything so you know what I know.

so you could say Player A blocks "every player in the game" and it would work on your end no matter what?

I see. No, it's up to 5 people I can name.

[faust]

Some possible solutions for our weird situation.

- Didds was telling the truth about the deflection thing, and actions targeting me went to Awaclus instead. This way, we'd get me, scola +2 targeting Awaclus... Problem: this does not account for the redirection of MiX, and scola would have seen Didds do this. Maybe the power could have been Ninja, and MiX was redirected another way, but you know... it's a stretch.

- Someone activated a Lightning Rod. We'd need to check the total number of people who did targeting actions to see if that works out.

[LaLight]

Some possible solutions for our weird situation.

- Didds was telling the truth about the deflection thing, and actions targeting me went to Awaclus instead. This way, we'd get me, scola +2 targeting Awaclus... Problem: this does not account for the redirection of MiX, and scola would have seen Didds do this. Maybe the power could have been Ninja, and MiX was redirected another way, but you know... it's a stretch.

- Someone activated a Lightning Rod. We'd need to check the total number of people who did targeting actions to see if that works out.

how does Lightning rod works with the fact that I visit two people? do both actions get redirected?

[faust]

Some possible solutions for our weird situation.

- Didds was telling the truth about the deflection thing, and actions targeting me went to Awaclus instead. This way, we'd get me, scola +2 targeting Awaclus... Problem: this does not account for the redirection of MiX, and scola would have seen Didds do this. Maybe the power could have been Ninja, and MiX was redirected another way, but you know... it's a stretch.

- Someone activated a Lightning Rod. We'd need to check the total number of people who did targeting actions to see if that works out.

how does Lightning rod works with the fact that I visit two people? do both actions get redirected?

I assume so, though other powers are modified and a Lightning Rod could be modified as well, so I don't know. Also you apparently targeted dead people, maybe that's different.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 3.2

faust (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (7): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, faust, Swowl, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time

[LaLight]

ah, my vote didn't count again. Vote: Awaclus

[MiX]

I want MiX to claim. Not coming after you - just we need info and we might be able to put some good stuff together with your claim.

Were you or were you not roleblocked N2?

Some possible solutions for our weird situation.

- Didds was telling the truth about the deflection thing, and actions targeting me went to Awaclus instead. This way, we'd get me, scola +2 targeting Awaclus... Problem: this does not account for the redirection of MiX, and scola would have seen Didds do this. Maybe the power could have been Ninja, and MiX was redirected another way, but you know... it's a stretch.

- Someone activated a Lightning Rod. We'd need to check the total number of people who did targeting actions to see if that works out.

I would not be surprised if Awaclus is a lightning rod and did something else. But then scola would've seen a lot more people, right?

[Awaclus]

I am not a lightning rod and did not do anything, else or otherwise, N2.

[MiX]

I am not a lightning rod and did not do anything, else or otherwise, N2.

It's looking less and less likely that that is the case.

What could you have done, had you done something?

[faust]

I want MiX to claim. Not coming after you - just we need info and we might be able to put some good stuff together with your claim.

Were you or were you not roleblocked N2?

Come on and claim already.

[faust]

Also Vote: Awaclus

[MiX]

I want MiX to claim. Not coming after you - just we need info and we might be able to put some good stuff together with your claim.

Were you or were you not roleblocked N2?

Come on and claim already.

That's boring!

Anyway, my non-dayvig power lets me pick someone, and if they learn a Yes/No result, I learn it instead. I picked faust N1 and got nothing, then picked scola N2 and got Yes/No. One of the two.

And it's really good at catching scum if they don't know the result of their actions! So I don't wanna say it until I'm positive exactly what action I stole.

[Awaclus]

I am not a lightning rod and did not do anything, else or otherwise, N2.

It's looking less and less likely that that is the case.

What could you have done, had you done something?

I could have watched LaLight, detected all human players targeting him that night or the previous day, and rendered all host actions targeting him undetectable by investigative actions for the night. Which I did N1 and only saw myself.

[MiX]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

I didn't target faust N2.

I targeted hypercube and joth

So what did you really do?

[MiX]

I could have watched LaLight, detected all human players targeting him that night or the previous day, and rendered all host actions targeting him undetectable by investigative actions for the night. Which I did N1 and only saw myself.

Did you do anything else N1? Do you have any other role? This seems to step into scola's role, I don't think you're both town.

[mail-mi]

Vote: joth

[mail-mi]

@ MM - I specifically have an ability that is built around blocking Day use abilities. So that does for sure exist.

Did you block me yesterday?

[MiX]

Vote: joth

That's useless.

@ MM - I specifically have an ability that is built around blocking Day use abilities. So that does for sure exist.

Did you block me yesterday?

It's possible that scum did.

[mail-mi]

Vote: joth

That's useless.

@ MM - I specifically have an ability that is built around blocking Day use abilities. So that does for sure exist.

Did you block me yesterday?

It's possible that scum did.

It's not useless. My result says specifically that joth is not town. Thus, he needs to be dead and remain dead, unless he claims survivor or something.

[faust]

It's not useless. My result says specifically that joth is not town. Thus, he needs to be dead and remain dead, unless he claims survivor or something.

He won't remain dead unless we exile the scum humans though.

[mail-mi]

It's not useless. My result says specifically that joth is not town. Thus, he needs to be dead and remain dead, unless he claims survivor or something.

He won't remain dead unless we exile the scum humans though.

And then someone has to claim to have revived him.

But I suppose you have a point. I don't have a better place to put my vote rn, tho. I'll have to look into the claims and see if I want to join y'all on Awa.

[scolapasta]

Lightning rod wouldn't work because I would have gotten yes results.

But, this makes me think: MiX you say you receive the results "instead". What does that mean? If you do this to me, what results would I get instead?

[MiX]

Lightning rod wouldn't work because I would have gotten yes results.

But, this makes me think: MiX you say you receive the results "instead". What does that mean? If you do this to me, what results would I get instead?

I presumed you wouldn't get one of them. That's why I was asking for who was roleblocked.

[Swowl]

@ MM - I specifically have an ability that is built around blocking Day use abilities. So that does for sure exist.

Did you block me yesterday?

I did not. I was speaking to your previous mindset that “you didn’t think the ability to do so existed in the game”.

[scolapasta]

Lightning rod wouldn't work because I would have gotten yes results.

But, this makes me think: MiX you say you receive the results "instead". What does that mean? If you do this to me, what results would I get instead?

I presumed you wouldn't get one of them. That's why I was asking for who was roleblocked.

What do you mean by "one of them"?

Can you check with mod? I ask because power specifically points out I'd get no result , but does not say the same thing for the yes/no part. Is it possible you replace by answers with no/no?

(that seems weird to me)

also, this seems to always roleblock then, because it always blocks AND it gives you info. Which is more powerful than faust's blocking.

[MiX]

Lightning rod wouldn't work because I would have gotten yes results.

But, this makes me think: MiX you say you receive the results "instead". What does that mean? If you do this to me, what results would I get instead?

I presumed you wouldn't get one of them. That's why I was asking for who was roleblocked.

What do you mean by "one of them"?

Can you check with mod? I ask because power specifically points out I'd get no result , but does not say the same thing for the yes/no part. Is it possible you replace by answers with no/no?

(that seems weird to me)

also, this seems to always roleblock then, because it always blocks AND it gives you info. Which is more powerful than faust's blocking.

"one of" your Yes/No results. I guess you'd just get one "Yes/No"

I think I would block only the result, and nothing else, although I'm not sure. It shouldn't matter in this case, as it didn't happen to you, according to your claim.

It's kinda weird.

It's not better than faust since he has that extra info that comes with a cost, whereas I "just" have a host dayvig.

[Awaclus]

I could have watched LaLight, detected all human players targeting him that night or the previous day, and rendered all host actions targeting him undetectable by investigative actions for the night. Which I did N1 and only saw myself.

Did you do anything else N1? Do you have any other role? This seems to step into scola's role, I don't think you're both town.

I do have another role but it is not an action, it's a modifier which is active all the time.

My role wouldn't make sense unless there was at least one another investigative role in the game, and I don't think it's that unlikely for town to have two watchers that are limited in different ways.

[MiX]

I could have watched LaLight, detected all human players targeting him that night or the previous day, and rendered all host actions targeting him undetectable by investigative actions for the night. Which I did N1 and only saw myself.

Did you do anything else N1? Do you have any other role? This seems to step into scola's role, I don't think you're both town.

I do have another role but it is not an action, it's a modifier which is active all the time.

My role wouldn't make sense unless there was at least one another investigative role in the game, and I don't think it's that unlikely for town to have two watchers that are limited in different ways.

Thank you for clarifying. I agree with you now.

[scolapasta]

Anyway, my non-dayvig power lets me pick someone, and if they learn a Yes/No result, I learn it instead. I picked faust N1 and got nothing, then picked scola N2 and got Yes/No. One of the two.

And it's really good at catching scum if they don't know the result of their actions! So I don't wanna say it until I'm positive exactly what action I stole.

OH, so here you are saying you only got 1 response, but aren't telling us if it is "yes" or "no". I thought you meant you got a "yes" and a "no".

Do you also find out who it applies to?

[MiX]

Anyway, my non-dayvig power lets me pick someone, and if they learn a Yes/No result, I learn it instead. I picked faust N1 and got nothing, then picked scola N2 and got Yes/No. One of the two.

And it's really good at catching scum if they don't know the result of their actions! So I don't wanna say it until I'm positive exactly what action I stole.

OH, so here you are saying you only got 1 response, but aren't telling us if it is "yes" or "no". I thought you meant you got a "yes" and a "no".

Do you also find out who it applies to?

No. I just know I picked you, and the "Yes/No".

[scolapasta]

Can you check with mod what happens to my result? I'm no longer convinced you were redirected.

[MiX]

Can you check with mod what happens to my result? I'm no longer convinced you were redirected.

Okay...so...did you get "No" twice?

[scolapasta]

Correct. I got a No for both.

So here's the scenario:
Didds was telling the truth about redirecting faust -> Awaclus.
MiX stole one of my answers.

He sees a Yes (for Didds) and I see No. 4 people targeted faust / awaclus: Didds, myself, and two others (possibly a NK and a doctor?)

[jotheonah]

@mail-mi if I’m scum, who killed me? Nobody’s claiming to have vigged me. I suppose ADK could be a vig. But I have investigative results that say the only two people who could have targeted me the night I died were WCD and Swowl.

[MiX]

Correct. I got a No for both.

So here's the scenario:
Didds was telling the truth about redirecting faust -> Awaclus.
MiX stole one of my answers.

He sees a Yes (for Didds) and I see No. 4 people targeted faust / awaclus: Didds, myself, and two others (possibly a NK and a doctor?)

It doesn't make sense that you'd get a No if I steal from you. What if I would also get a No? Then the flavor of my ability is just...wrong?

@mail-mi if I’m scum, who killed me? Nobody’s claiming to have vigged me. I suppose ADK could be a vig. But I have investigative results that say the only two people who could have targeted me the night I died were WCD and Swowl.

Scum killed you, clearly. It doesn't mean you're not scum. But given they didn't then use a strongman-like, that seems unlikely.

[scolapasta]

Correct. I got a No for both.

So here's the scenario:
Didds was telling the truth about redirecting faust -> Awaclus.
MiX stole one of my answers.

He sees a Yes (for Didds) and I see No. 4 people targeted faust / awaclus: Didds, myself, and two others (possibly a NK and a doctor?)

Oh wait, Awaclus targeted faust. So no room for both NK and doctor.

Anyone else willing to claim targeting Awaclus?

[scolapasta]

Other way around, I mean faust targeted Awaclus.

[faust]

So - Swowl, did you do anything that could prevent a kill? Because otherwise, we caught Awaclus; my power is the only one that could have stopped the kill so far.

[mail-mi]

@mail-mi if I’m scum, who killed me? Nobody’s claiming to have vigged me. I suppose ADK could be a vig. But I have investigative results that say the only two people who could have targeted me the night I died were WCD and Swowl.

Hm.

I suppose that scum could have dayblocked me after I claimed I was going to rez you, since swowl has a dayblocking power.

hrmph.

it's hard to disbelieve an actual result I have on you, though.

[LaLight]

So, I have this VERY complicated ability.

There are 7 powers in the game I am looking for. Every Day I can guess a person and if they have the power #1, it will be revealed to me. Then I'll be looking for power #2. I can only guess once, unless I save a host from lynching, then as long as they live I will have an additional guess. I also "saved" ADK, so if they come back, I'll have two guesses.

At night I can visit 2 people, name a night, and see if they targeted anyone with the power I seek. I get a "yes" or "no" for each one of my targets. And in the end of the night Arch tells me how many times I targeted a person with the power I am looking for.

This Night, I chose joth and ADK and got No both times and the info that I have targeted the person I need once. So at the start of the day I guessed joth and was right. He has a power that CAN tell him if he was targeted for a kill, but he didn't use it Night 1, that's what I have.

I didn't target faust N2.

I targeted hypercube and joth

So what did you really do?

yeah, sorry, it was joth and cube, i consulted my qt, not my memory

[scolapasta]

Correct. I got a No for both.

So here's the scenario:
Didds was telling the truth about redirecting faust -> Awaclus.
MiX stole one of my answers.

He sees a Yes (for Didds) and I see No. 4 people targeted faust / awaclus: Didds, myself, and two others (possibly a NK and a doctor?)

It doesn't make sense that you'd get a No if I steal from you. What if I would also get a No? Then the flavor of my ability is just...wrong?

I've confirmed with mod that I will always get a "Yes" or "No".

[scolapasta]

So - Swowl, did you do anything that could prevent a kill? Because otherwise, we caught Awaclus; my power is the only one that could have stopped the kill so far.

This. ^^^

Waiting to hear from Swowl.

[Swowl]

I took no actions that can block anything.

[Swowl]

I also targeted Faust last night tho. So anything that was switched that should be taken into consideration.

[Swowl]

Oh actually i targeted Faust and Awaclus so i can probably account for the remainder of the 4 people. I’m mobile rn - I’ll check in an hour if that all adds everything up or if we are still missing something.

[scolapasta]

Oh actually i targeted Faust and Awaclus so i can probably account for the remainder of the 4 people. I’m mobile rn - I’ll check in an hour if that all adds everything up or if we are still missing something.

Will you tell us what you did?

Also, have we had a vote count, recently? I think I'm ready to vote Awaclus, but would prefer to see the count first.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 3.3

Awaclus (2): LaLight, faust
faust (1): Awaclus
jotheonah (1): mail-mi


Not Voting (4): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time

[scolapasta]

Thanks! I'm fine being the 3rd vote (x-2):

Vote: awaclus

[Swowl]

Oh actually i targeted Faust and Awaclus so i can probably account for the remainder of the 4 people. I’m mobile rn - I’ll check in an hour if that all adds everything up or if we are still missing something.

Will you tell us what you did?

Also, have we had a vote count, recently? I think I'm ready to vote Awaclus, but would prefer to see the count first.

I need to make sure everyone has claimed, but yes I do not see a point in with holding any info.

What is it that I am missing on Awaclus? Is it more than the fact that there was no kill and he was blocked? I mean MiX was also blocked right? And it is fausts claim. Why is the focus on Awaclus?

[Awaclus]

Oh wait, Awaclus targeted faust.

I did not target faust. I did not do anything last night.

[Awaclus]

Oh sorry, I posted that before reading further.

[scolapasta]

Oh actually i targeted Faust and Awaclus so i can probably account for the remainder of the 4 people. I’m mobile rn - I’ll check in an hour if that all adds everything up or if we are still missing something.

Will you tell us what you did?

Also, have we had a vote count, recently? I think I'm ready to vote Awaclus, but would prefer to see the count first.

I need to make sure everyone has claimed, but yes I do not see a point in with holding any info.

What is it that I am missing on Awaclus? Is it more than the fact that there was no kill and he was blocked? I mean MiX was also blocked right? And it is fausts claim. Why is the focus on Awaclus?

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

[MiX]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

[scolapasta]

That's weird, because that seems different from my understanding when I clarified with him.

[Swowl]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

but you 100% still got a No correct?

[Swowl]

also scola who were the players you selected?

[Swowl]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

but you 100% still got a No correct?

bc if you for sure did get a result then the situation potential is:

1. you are lying
2. pasta is lying
3. Someone should have a yes or no result that does not have one.

am I missing something - or does that check out?

[MiX]

4. One of us doesn't understand both of our roles and there's a misunderstandment.

I'm going with "I got redirected to ADK" for now. Or to scum, I guess.

[scolapasta]

My vote is 4, and I'm trying to get further clarification.

Also, I've been assuming MiX got a Yes, but he has neither confirmed nor denied that.

[scolapasta]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

So when you clarified, mod told you that if you stole from me, I would not get a result at all? i.e. I would just get the other result? That just doesn't seem right. I could believe a "no result", but I have 100% confirmed that that is not a possibility.

[scolapasta]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

but you 100% still got a No correct?

bc if you for sure did get a result then the situation potential is:

1. you are lying
2. pasta is lying
3. Someone should have a yes or no result that does not have one.

am I missing something - or does that check out?

Actually, I guess I don't quite understand why these options. If MiX stole from me, regardless of whether he got YES or NO, why would one of us have to be lying? I mean, if we assume that Didds did redirect, then yes, this makes sense, but we don't know for sure that that was true.

MiX, I don't see how you getting redirected fits in with my 4 result. Because if you got redirected, then my 4 result on faust should be 4 targeted him, and we have my claim that I did. (i.e. the other 3 only fit if Didds redirected from faust to awaclus, as she claimed)

[Swowl]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

but you 100% still got a No correct?

bc if you for sure did get a result then the situation potential is:

1. you are lying
2. pasta is lying
3. Someone should have a yes or no result that does not have one.

am I missing something - or does that check out?

Actually, I guess I don't quite understand why these options. If MiX stole from me, regardless of whether he got YES or NO, why would one of us have to be lying? I mean, if we assume that Didds did redirect, then yes, this makes sense, but we don't know for sure that that was true.

MiX, I don't see how you getting redirected fits in with my 4 result. Because if you got redirected, then my 4 result on faust should be 4 targeted him, and we have my claim that I did. (i.e. the other 3 only fit if Didds redirected from faust to awaclus, as she claimed)

1. that is why option 3 exists. the concept you are lying is just a practical "could be". Obviously... one person in this game, at a minimum, is currently lying about something.

2. are you counting me twice in your results of "4 visits"?

[MiX]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

So when you clarified, mod told you that if you stole from me, I would not get a result at all? i.e. I would just get the other result? That just doesn't seem right. I could believe a "no result", but I have 100% confirmed that that is not a possibility.

Yeah, that seems consistent with what I asked...although I really do hate asking specific questions based on the day claims. I just did generic questions that would lead me to believe that, yes, you'd get some sort of "no result"

[Swowl]

@mail-mi if I’m scum, who killed me? Nobody’s claiming to have vigged me. I suppose ADK could be a vig. But I have investigative results that say the only two people who could have targeted me the night I died were WCD and Swowl.

Hm.

I suppose that scum could have dayblocked me after I claimed I was going to rez you, since swowl has a dayblocking power.

hrmph.

it's hard to disbelieve an actual result I have on you, though.

can you float a theory on Joth being the solo kill N1 and there being no death N2?

[scolapasta]

I am counting you twice, yes.

Oh wait, does that not work?

i.e. of Didds redirected to awaclus, then we'd have 5?
Didds
me (redirected)
faust
Swowl1 (redirected)
Swowl2

But I just reread my power, and it's number of players, so I think you should only be counted once, which is 4.

[scolapasta]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

So when you clarified, mod told you that if you stole from me, I would not get a result at all? i.e. I would just get the other result? That just doesn't seem right. I could believe a "no result", but I have 100% confirmed that that is not a possibility.

Yeah, that seems consistent with what I asked...although I really do hate asking specific questions based on the day claims. I just did generic questions that would lead me to believe that, yes, you'd get some sort of "no result"

I've tried also generic questions and specific examples. Based on my answers, I think your interpretation is incorrect.

[Swowl]

I am counting you twice, yes.

Oh wait, does that not work?

i.e. of Didds redirected to awaclus, then we'd have 5?
Didds
me (redirected)
faust
Swowl1 (redirected)
Swowl2

But I just reread my power, and it's number of players, so I think you should only be counted once, which is 4.

I was gonna say. I said to count me twice at first. But honestly, if it is just "number of players", then I would only count as 1

[scolapasta]

If claims are to be believed, MiX was not blocked. He "stole" a result from me.

I clarified with Arch, and if you got two "No"'s, then I didn't steal from you.

So when you clarified, mod told you that if you stole from me, I would not get a result at all? i.e. I would just get the other result? That just doesn't seem right. I could believe a "no result", but I have 100% confirmed that that is not a possibility.

Yeah, that seems consistent with what I asked...although I really do hate asking specific questions based on the day claims. I just did generic questions that would lead me to believe that, yes, you'd get some sort of "no result"

I've tried also generic questions and specific examples. Based on my answers, I think your interpretation is incorrect.

OK, received another response from mod and I'm even more satisfied with my interpretation.

MiX if you got a NO and not a YES, you should tell us know. Because my whole hypothesis breaks, if that's true.

[MiX]

MiX if you got a NO and not a YES, you should tell us know. Because my whole hypothesis breaks, if that's true.

Really? Can I just vote you for getting wrong things from the mod? My role makes no sense with your claim.

Yes, I got a Yes. Now what? What does that tell you?

[Swowl]

MiX if you got a NO and not a YES, you should tell us know. Because my whole hypothesis breaks, if that's true.

Really? Can I just vote you for getting wrong things from the mod? My role makes no sense with your claim.

Yes, I got a Yes. Now what? What does that tell you?

why would pasta just cast shade on your for whatever and then ignore you and go for Awaclus instead?

[scolapasta]

MiX if you got a NO and not a YES, you should tell us know. Because my whole hypothesis breaks, if that's true.

Really? Can I just vote you for getting wrong things from the mod? My role makes no sense with your claim.

Yes, I got a Yes. Now what? What does that tell you?

I'm not sure why you think I got things wrong: but here's what I was told, I will always get a response and it will always be either YES or NO.

You getting YES allows my hypothesis that Didds redirected from faust to awaclus to my true.

It's also possible she didn't and mail-mi targeted faust(?). But then we'd still be missing one.

Actually faust, does your blocking definitely block the NK?

[scolapasta]

I need to make sure everyone has claimed, but yes I do not see a point in with holding any info.

Are you waiting on anyone else?

[Swowl]

I need to make sure everyone has claimed, but yes I do not see a point in with holding any info.

Are you waiting on anyone else?

Yes? Been considering the ups and downs but yeah probably just claiming here in a sec is best so info is out there

[Swowl]

Actually you know what I wanna get an opinion here...

@Joth - The results I got from N2 were equally useless as N1. Do you think I should claim here?

[faust]

Actually faust, does your blocking definitely block the NK?

Seems like it would be pretty useless if it didn't. Though there is some ambiguity in the phrasing, I'll go and clarify.

[MiX]

Actually you know what I wanna get an opinion here...

@Joth - The results I got from N2 were equally useless as N1. Do you think I should claim here?

Just claim, Swowl, you lose nothing. Everyone else already claimed anyway.

[jotheonah]

I agree. They could be useful in a way you’re not seeing. We’re massclaiming, we should massclaim.

Also, anyone object to me putting Awa to X-1?

[faust]

I agree. They could be useful in a way you’re not seeing. We’re massclaiming, we should massclaim.

Also, anyone object to me putting Awa to X-1?

How about you follow your own advice and claim first?

[faust]

Or did you already claim everything? I'm not sure, it was a bit disjointed.

[jotheonah]

I half-claimed and claimed the rest privately to Swowl. But here's the details of my results on WCD.

I have an ability that lets me target a player. All night actions targeting them are redirected to me. If I die that night, but only if I die that night, I get a list of players who targeted either me or my target. (It does not include my own use of the ability, so I don't automatically show up in the list). It does not tell me which player each person targeted or what they targeted me with.

I targeted Didds, who I was townreading at the time. I died, and I got Swowl, Didds. Swowl claimed to me that he targeted me with his convoluted tracker ability, so from his perspective only Didds could have done the kill. From my perspective, of course, Swowl could also have done the kill and could have targeted either Didds or me. But I don't think Swowl could be scum, because why would he res me if he was? He had the perfect cover for not resing me because of mail-mi's claim.

[LaLight]

I have an ability that lets me target a player. All night actions targeting them are redirected to me. If I die that night, but only if I die that night, I get a list of players who targeted either me or my target. (It does not include my own use of the ability, so I don't automatically show up in the list). It does not tell me which player each person targeted or what they targeted me with.

I confirm this ability

[Swowl]

K.
As Joth stated I am a weird af modified Tracker.

I get to target 2 players every night.
Each player gets their own set of targets (the amount of targets must be a minimum of 2, but can range to any maximum).
I receive a YES if the target ONLY visits players within their assigned set of targets.
I receive a NO if they do not target someone in their set OR if they target some one in the set and ALSO someone outside of the set. **So they must target players 100% within their assigned set to get a yes*
Additionally, it tracks for the current NIGHT as well as the PREVIOUS day.

Yeah.... so been struggling with how to use that effectively. Could not really come up with anything, so this is what I got.

Night 1:
Tracked Joth to set of players [Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight, MiX] - Result was NO.
Tracked MiX to set of players [Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight] - Result was NO.
*I chose Joth bc I found Glooble skummy, and Mix bc they seemed off. I wanted to pick one on wagon and one off. I was pretty sure the kill would be off wagon, seemed like a weird spread, which is why I picked off wagon targets*

Night 2:
Tracked faust to set of players [Awaclus, LL, MailMi] - got a NO
Tracked Awaclus to set of players [LL, MailMi] - got a NO
*you can probably math out the reasoning behind the picks there. Unfortunately, was gonna do LL and WCD originally, which would of been far more telling.... but then I had the QT with Joth and was like 100% we caught WCD so I didn't wanna burn it.


OK so.
From what I can tell all results "check out" from what has been claimed so far with my checks. But it is a wide span ability so that doesn't mean much bc I don't have any positive hits.

I have also confirmed I would get no result instead of no if I were blocked. So I have not been blocked.

[Swowl]

I have an ability that lets me target a player. All night actions targeting them are redirected to me. If I die that night, but only if I die that night, I get a list of players who targeted either me or my target. (It does not include my own use of the ability, so I don't automatically show up in the list). It does not tell me which player each person targeted or what they targeted me with.

I confirm this ability

hey what 3rd party are you?

[LaLight]

I have an ability that lets me target a player. All night actions targeting them are redirected to me. If I die that night, but only if I die that night, I get a list of players who targeted either me or my target. (It does not include my own use of the ability, so I don't automatically show up in the list). It does not tell me which player each person targeted or what they targeted me with.

I confirm this ability

hey what 3rd party are you?

yeeeeah, still town.

[MiX]

So Swowl, your info says faust is lying, right?

[faust]

Tracked faust to set of players [Awaclus, LL, MailMi] - got a NO

That contradicts what I did.

[faust]

Confirm that I would be able to block the mafia NK.

[faust]

Tracked faust to set of players [Awaclus, LL, MailMi] - got a NO

That contradicts what I did.

Ah no, of course according to our theory Swowl would have been redirected to Awaclus, in which case the result chekcs out.

[mail-mi]

Hot take: Swowl and Joth are mafia human/host partners--that's why joth knew he could get rezzed by Swowl.

Tracked faust to set of players [Awaclus, LL, MailMi] - got a NO

That contradicts what I did.

PPE: swowl is lying then? perhaps my hot-take is less hot than I thought.

PPE2: oh nvm.

[Swowl]

not lying.
looks like you mathed it out.

[Swowl]

OK I was not going to but I am gonna claim the second part as well.

It is important because it is one of the core reasons I was confident that Joth is Town.

I have the ability (one shot) to permanently disable a host from using Maintenance.
So, unless it is a 100% negative utility role, I assume skum has host with Maintenance. Which would beg the question of... if Joth is skum, why would they target me to bring them back instead of one of their Human mates?

[Swowl]

gonna assume that checks another one off your list there LaLight.

[LaLight]

gonna assume that checks another one off your list there LaLight.

erm, no. Why should it?

[LaLight]

I have no idea what abilities are on my list until i guess them

[Swowl]

I have no idea what abilities are on my list until i guess them

oh em gee... sorry your power is convoluted. I get it now - I think. I withdraw that one, and also the third party comment. I read your list of 7 thing as in you had a list and you were hunting for the abilities. Not like, you need to match them up. mb

[LaLight]

I have no idea what abilities are on my list until i guess them

oh em gee... sorry your power is convoluted. I get it now - I think. I withdraw that one, and also the third party comment. I read your list of 7 thing as in you had a list and you were hunting for the abilities. Not like, you need to match them up. mb

i have a list of numbers 1-7 :)

[Swowl]

I have no idea what abilities are on my list until i guess them

oh em gee... sorry your power is convoluted. I get it now - I think. I withdraw that one, and also the third party comment. I read your list of 7 thing as in you had a list and you were hunting for the abilities. Not like, you need to match them up. mb

i have a list of numbers 1-7

yeah I think I get it now.

[MiX]

I uphold Swowl's third-party comment.

What other power do you have LL?

[LaLight]

I uphold Swowl's third-party comment.

What other power do you have LL?

The one where I save a host and gain an additional guess

[LaLight]

as long as they're alive

[mail-mi]

What happens if you guess all of them right?.

[mail-mi]

I'm still trying to think things through in my head. I'm not 100% convinced that joth is not scum, but I'm convinced enough that we can save it for tomorrow. I can see the case on awaclus, and am willing to vote there.

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

[MiX]

I'm still trying to think things through in my head. I'm not 100% convinced that joth is not scum, but I'm convinced enough that we can save it for tomorrow. I can see the case on awaclus, and am willing to vote there.

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

He claimed to be human.

[Awaclus]

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

For what purpose does this matter?

[MiX]

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

For what purpose does this matter?

Exiling hosts is temporary, so it's less important to do so.

[Awaclus]

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

For what purpose does this matter?

Exiling hosts is temporary, so it's less important to do so.

Is this why mail-mi was asking the question?

[MiX]

Given that he asked that after considering voting for you, maybe.

[mail-mi]

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

For what purpose does this matter?

MiX is right. We get more info if you're human, but we also won't be able to revive you.

[Awaclus]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

[jotheonah]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

Are you Bernard?

[MiX]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

That's sneaky. You should've told us that earlier, it would've been nice for me to shoot you to prove it.

[Awaclus]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

Are you Bernard?

Yes.

[Awaclus]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

That's sneaky. You should've told us that earlier, it would've been nice for me to shoot you to prove it.

It looked like the consensus was against claiming human/host plus I wanted to keep my passive ability a secret for as long as possible, because it doesn't seem to be a very impressive ability so I was hoping scum would play around me potentially having something actually useful.

[MiX]

Does anyone know the host/human status of mail-mi, LL or scola? I'm collecting the claims and I don't have those 3. Did they claim?

[scolapasta]

Does anyone know the host/human status of mail-mi, LL or scola? I'm collecting the claims and I don't have those 3. Did they claim?

I haven't claimed.

[scolapasta]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

So if you get exiled, your alignment flips? and you don't have maintenance? (I guess we still don't know if all hosts do, do we?)

[Awaclus]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

So if you get exiled, your alignment flips? and you don't have maintenance? (I guess we still don't know if all hosts do, do we?)

I do not have maintenance and my alignment will not flip since I'm not Living after I've been exiled.

[scolapasta]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

So if you get exiled, your alignment flips? and you don't have maintenance? (I guess we still don't know if all hosts do, do we?)

I do not have maintenance and my alignment will not flip since I'm not Living after I've been exiled.

I'd call that another (fairly important) exception.

[Awaclus]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

So if you get exiled, your alignment flips? and you don't have maintenance? (I guess we still don't know if all hosts do, do we?)

I do not have maintenance and my alignment will not flip since I'm not Living after I've been exiled.

I'd call that another (fairly important) exception.

[scolapasta]

The thing is, I'm not a human. I'm a host. My passive ability is that I count as a human for all intents and purposes except for the town win con while I'm Living.

So if you get exiled, your alignment flips? and you don't have maintenance? (I guess we still don't know if all hosts do, do we?)

I do not have maintenance and my alignment will not flip since I'm not Living after I've been exiled.

I'd call that another (fairly important) exception.

OK, I'll give you benefit of the doubt there. I read that "while" as only modifying the "except for town win con", which made sense to me that you wouldn't modify it while dead, since you can't be rezzed.

[Awaclus]

Oh and also there is a secret condition that, when met, will cause my passive ability to stop working. I don't know what it is.

[MiX]

Oh and also there is a secret condition that, when met, will cause my passive ability to stop working. I don't know what it is.

What's the description of this secret condition?

[scolapasta]

Thematically, it seems to me that it would be Bernard finding out he's not human. So how could that happen?

[Awaclus]

Oh and also there is a secret condition that, when met, will cause my passive ability to stop working. I don't know what it is.

What's the description of this secret condition?

That's the description.

[Swowl]

Will you be informed when it is met? /if it is met?

[Awaclus]

Will you be informed when it is met? /if it is met?

I don't know, I'm getting that clarified right now.

Also it turns out I misremembered my ability, I do also count as a human for the purposes of the town win con while Living, i.e. I don't count towards the win con.

[mail-mi]

Do we know if Awa is host or human?

For what purpose does this matter?

MiX is right. We get more info if you're human, but we also won't be able to revive you.

PPE: 19 had to eat dinner.

[faust]

So Awaclus is a human in every regard except that he doesn't have his alignment flip. Convenient.

Since he's considered a human, I assume he's able to perform maintenance. So, we should still exile him to prevent scum resurrections.

[Awaclus]

So, we should still exile him to prevent scum resurrections.

Am I the last remaining player who can perform maintenance?

[LaLight]

What happens if you guess all of them right?.

i have no idea. and I don't think we have 6 more Days

[LaLight]

I am a human, ADK checked me

[LaLight]

I am William

[faust]

So, we should still exile him to prevent scum resurrections.

Am I the last remaining player who can perform maintenance?

No but you may be the last remaining scum with that ability.

[Awaclus]

So, we should still exile him to prevent scum resurrections.

Am I the last remaining player who can perform maintenance?

No but you may be the last remaining scum with that ability.

No I'm not.

[faust]

So, we should still exile him to prevent scum resurrections.

Am I the last remaining player who can perform maintenance?

No but you may be the last remaining scum with that ability.

No I'm not.

I'm eager to hear your explanation of why there hasn't been a nightkill.

[Awaclus]

I'm eager to hear your explanation of why there hasn't been a nightkill.

You're better off asking scum that. I don't have any idea, since I didn't take any actions last night.

[faust]

I'm eager to hear your explanation of why there hasn't been a nightkill.

You're better off asking scum that. I don't have any idea, since I didn't take any actions last night.

If you don't have any idea how the thing that implicates you can be explained other than by you being scum then I assume you're okay with being exiled.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 3.4

Awaclus (3): LaLight, faust, scolapasta
faust (1): Awaclus
jotheonah (1): mail-mi


Not Voting (3): MiX, Swowl, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time (~2.5 days)

[Awaclus]

I'm eager to hear your explanation of why there hasn't been a nightkill.

You're better off asking scum that. I don't have any idea, since I didn't take any actions last night.

If you don't have any idea how the thing that implicates you can be explained other than by you being scum then I assume you're okay with being exiled.

Wtf? That doesn't follow at all. I did not miss the night action deadline on purpose, and even if I had used my ability (which I didn't choose on purpose in an effort to get exiled either), I would have had a very low chance of discovering an explanation for the lack of NK.

[faust]

I'm eager to hear your explanation of why there hasn't been a nightkill.

You're better off asking scum that. I don't have any idea, since I didn't take any actions last night.

If you don't have any idea how the thing that implicates you can be explained other than by you being scum then I assume you're okay with being exiled.

Wtf? That doesn't follow at all. I did not miss the night action deadline on purpose, and even if I had used my ability (which I didn't choose on purpose in an effort to get exiled either), I would have had a very low chance of discovering an explanation for the lack of NK.

The only claimed thing that explains that lack of a Nightkill is my blocking you. You are unable to present an alternative explanation. So is the rest of town. Do you see how from town's perspective the only sensible thing is to exile you?

[Awaclus]

You are unable to present an alternative explanation. So is the rest of town.

Well thanks for acknowledging that I'm town.

[Awaclus]

In other news: yes, I will learn about it if my ability gets disabled.

[faust]

Compiling claims for my own sanity.

mail-mi: Can send 2 messages to players per Day. If they're a Host, stuff can happen. This also ties in with being able to resurrect dead Hosts somehow. Host/human status unclear.
Please fullclaim.

MiX: Host-only Dayvig + Can steal YES/NO results. Host/human status unclear.

LaLight: Targets 2 people at Night looking for power X, gets told if they have been targeted by power X for each and also whether one of them has power X. Can guess player that has power X; if correct, power X is revealed and moves on to next power. Can redirect host exiles for an additional guess. Is human.

scolapasta: Targets people to learn how many players targeted them, and for 2 people learns whether they were among that number. Host/human status unclear.

A Drowned Kernel: Targets people to learn whether they are host/human. If host, also learns their target. Is host with maintenance.

faust: Targets people and names set of up to 5 players, the target is blocked from targeting the named players that night, or the following Day. Once per game, can get a result of whether the target did try to target among the named group, but if activated, makes Nightkill Ninja when killed by a Human. Is human.

Swowl: Targets 2 players, names sets of players for each. For each, gets YES if they targeted at least 1 player from their set and no players outside the set, and NO otherwise. Host/human status unclear.

Didds: Targets 2 players, deflects from 1 to the other. Is host with maintenance.

hypercube: Unknown, is human.

joth: During the Day, can kill all revived Hosts. Can redirect all actions from a player to himself, and if he dies, gets a list of people who ended up targeting him. Is host with maintenance.

Awaclus: Targets people and sees all human players targeting the target, all host actions targeting the target become untracable. Is host, but treated as a human for in-game purposes. No maintenance.

Day 1
No claimed Day actions.

Night 1
MiX: Targets faust.
LaLight: Targets XXX and XXX. Please claim.
scolapasta: targets XXX; is blocked.
ADK: targets LaLight, get human result.
faust: targets scolapasta, names {MiX/LaLight/Didds}
Swowl: targets joth, names {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight, MiX}; and targets MiX, names {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight}, result: No, No.
Didds: deflects ADK to joth
joth: draws actions meant for Didds to himself; gets result Didds, Swowl.
Awaclus: targets LaLight, result: {Awaclus}.

Day 2
mail-mi: targets joth/Didds (?)
joth: targets Swowl for maintenance
LaLight: saves ADK to exile ADK.

Night 2
MiX: targets scolapasta, gets YES.
LaLight: Targets hypercube and joth.
scolapasta: targets faust, gets results: 4, No, No for Didds/mail-mi.
faust: targets Awaclus, names {MiX/LaLight/joth/mail-mi/faust}
Swowl: targets faust, names {Awaclus, LL, MailMi}, and targets Awaclus, names {LaLight, mail-mi}, results: No, no.
Didds: deflects faust to Awaclus.

Day 3:
MiX kills Didds.

Please let me know if I got anything wrong.

[faust]

joth: Why would you target one of the candidates for killing you with maintenance?

[faust]

I'd very much like to know whether LaLight targeted ADK N1.

[LaLight]

i am not told if they have power X, only if they are targeted by it.

Night 1 - Awaclus and MiX, Night 2 - joth and hypercube

[LaLight]

on D1 i guessed Didds, D2 faust, D3 joth

[LaLight]

also, in the end of the night i get told how many times throughout the game I targeted the bearer of searched power

[LaLight]

that's how I guessed joth

[faust]

Let's say the team is Awaclus/ADK/Didds.

N1 actions do not make a lot of sense. Like... why do ADK and Awaclus target LaLight? For ADK, targeting LaLight is a good cover, but Awaclus also targeting them means that cover is undetectable, which seems counterproductive.

So either one of them lied, or at most one of them is scum.

ADK definitely knew the LaLight was a human, so they certainly did target them. No lie there. Which leaves Awaclus - but who else would he have targeted? joth, to cover up the nightkill? But joth would have seen that. It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be: If this is the team, then a scum is responsible for blocking mail-mi during D2. That would be what Awaclus did. So, he's the Roleblocker.

This also fits with the fact that we don't have any evidence of someone other than Awaclus being roleblocked during N2.

Another option is that ADK was town, actually. If we go with Didds/Awaclus are still scum, who is the partner?

Could be joth, conceivably. That mainly makes sense if he's a Traitor, since scum would still have engineered for him to die. This also fits with him targeting Swowl - as he was a candidate for having kiled him, and he would want a QT with fellow scum. In that case however, I'm not sure why he'd offer up Didds as an exile by forcing her to claim.

[Awaclus]

It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be

I don't think it's plausible for my role to be made up, given that apparently it fits my character's flavor so well that joth could guess what it was.

[faust]

It's possible that all of Awaclus' role is made up, indeed I think it has to be

I don't think it's plausible for my role to be made up, given that apparently it fits my character's flavor so well that joth could guess what it was.

My point was clearly about the Watcher part, not the Host/human part, as you could easily determine if you cared about context rather than silly gotchas.

[MiX]

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

Now the second part: joth vs mail-mi. mail-mi, did you message anyone D2?

[jotheonah]

joth: Why would you target one of the candidates for killing you with maintenance?

Just reads, man. I had a townread on Swowl and reason to believe he was human. The letter is a big one, most people at that point were still big old question marks in that regard.

[jotheonah]

*the latter

[Awaclus]

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

No I didn't, and we don't know what non-town factions have because they could be lying.

[faust]

joth: Why would you target one of the candidates for killing you with maintenance?

Just reads, man. I had a townread on Swowl and reason to believe he was human. The letter is a big one, most people at that point were still big old question marks in that regard.

What was the reason for thinking that Swowl was human?

[MiX]

We don't have a doctor. We don't have bulletproof. The only way to stop NKs is with roleblocking. Only 1 person could've been roleblocked. We know who it is because of scola's result, and we know all 4 people that picked Awaclus (scola, faust, Swowl, Didds), which means we know where the redirection went and also where the roleblocking went. Therefore Awaclus made the NK, unsucessfully.

No I didn't, and we don't know what non-town factions have because they could be lying.

You think scum stopped their own night kill? I see no town manipulation that would cause this.

[faust]

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

[MiX]

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?

[faust]

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?

Not sure what you mean? Night 1? There they tried to shoot ADK and failed due to classic Diddsian meddling.

[MiX]

I think we need to consider a scenario where the scum team is Awaclus/joth/Swowl.

I'd like for mail-mi to answer my question first, but sure.

Why would scum forego their NK?

Not sure what you mean? Night 1? There they tried to shoot ADK and failed due to classic Diddsian meddling.

Oh yeah! That should explain most things.

Well, that's a good theory too. It might just be the solve!

[mail-mi]

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.

[Awaclus]

You think scum stopped their own night kill? I see no town manipulation that would cause this.

NK-less 3rd party could have stopped a different faction's NK, there could have been a traitor that converts to full scum when NK'd, it's possible the scum team is unable to kill and also perform some other action they deemed more important last night, it's possible the kills are odd-night only, it's possible the factional kill only works while scum meets a specific requirement that they currently don't (e.g. a scum host being alive), it's possible we only ever had a serial killer plus a NK-less scum team in the first place and now the SK is exiled, etc. It's an RMM, there's a lot of different possibilities and we don't know anything about the setup.

My point was clearly about the Watcher part, not the Host/human part, as you could easily determine if you cared about context rather than silly gotchas.

I think my Watcher claim is also pretty believable, because it's kind of specific and I have reported results that I have gotten with it that are consistent with everyone else's claims.

[MiX]

Did ADK fullclaim to you? What was it?

[faust]

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.

Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what he claimed?

[faust]

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.

Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what hethey claimed?

EBWOP

[faust]

mail-mi: Could you send someone another message for confirmation purposes?

[jotheonah]

I'm ready to vote: Awaclus

[MiX]

In response to faust's question I will add that I regret killing Didds, however it should be good mechanically speaking.

Carry on.

I'm ready to vote: Awaclus

X-1.

I think we're not done with this day yet. You didn't get mail-mi's message, yet Didds did. Is that correct?

[faust]

unvote

There's stuff to discuss before the Day ends.

[faust]

Unvote

just to make sure we got the syntax.

[MiX]

Unvote

just to make sure we got the syntax.

I guess joth's vote wasn't legit then.

[faust]

Unvote

just to make sure we got the syntax.

I guess joth's vote wasn't legit then.

It's better to be safe anyways. Arch has been counting votes that did not follow the syntax before.

[Awaclus]

Vote: joth

[faust]

Vote: joth

Leat useful vote of the month award.

[mail-mi]

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.

Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what he claimed?

I asked "Is ADK a Tracker" and Arch asked me to clarify, so I said tracker like being able to target a player and see what players they targeted.

[faust]

Here is my fullclaim:

I am Robert Ford, a human. During the day, I can send up to 2 messages to other people. Along with the first message in a day, I can send commands that will effect hosts but will not effect humans. I can only use each command once. They are: make the host a lightning rod for human actions (unused), roleblock them (unused), doctor them for the night (unused), rez them if they're town (used on joth during d2) and if they're dead, make them stay dead permanently (used on ADK today).

During D1, I messaged Didds pretty late in the day (I was townreading her and thought she was a host), didn't use the second message, and didn't use any abilities. I asked didds to use the word "pineapple" in her next post if she was host, and she used it during the first post of D2. I was probably gonna doctor her tonight, until all the claiming happened.

D2, I messaged joth and used the rez power and then I messaged Didds again and explained I can only use one power per night.

D3, I've messaged ADK a blank message and used the permanent-death power on him because I think that he is scum. Here is why:

I have a second ability that each day after a host is exiled, I get a QT with them that night. After conversing with them, I can ask the mod a yes/no question about their abilities. I asked Arch if ADK was a tracker. I got a "no." So I made him perma-dead.

Would be kind of nice if you discussed things with town before going around making decisions like this.

Did you ask "Is ADK a Tracker?" ... that's a pretty ambiguous question to say the least. Are you absolutely sure that your information is in conflict with what he claimed?

I asked "Is ADK a Tracker" and Arch asked me to clarify, so I said tracker like being able to target a player and see what players they targeted.

Well um, he claimed to only see it if the target is a Host, is ADK does not have the power to "target a [as in: any] player and see what players they targeted]".

[mail-mi]

mail-mi: Could you send someone another message for confirmation purposes?

Yes, I'll send one to MiX right now. (It won't send til Arch gets online, though.)

[jotheonah]

I never said I didn't get mail-mi's message. I got mail-mi's message.

[faust]

Well um, he claimed to only see it if the target is a Host, so ADK does not have the power to "target a [as in: any] player and see what players they targeted".

Sorry, EBWOP.

[MiX]

I never said I didn't get mail-mi's message. I got mail-mi's message.

And you didn't claim this because?

What was it?

[faust]

I never said I didn't get mail-mi's message. I got mail-mi's message.

I think someone didn't read his own memo:

We’re massclaiming, we should massclaim.

[mail-mi]

Well um, he claimed to only see it if the target is a Host, so ADK does not have the power to "target a [as in: any] player and see what players they targeted".

Sorry, EBWOP.

Oh shoot. When Arch asked me to clarify, I typed up the definition of tracker real quickly and forgot to look at the thread to see exactly what ADK had claimed.

[mail-mi]

I just sent a message to MiX.

[MiX]

Well um, he claimed to only see it if the target is a Host, so ADK does not have the power to "target a [as in: any] player and see what players they targeted".

Sorry, EBWOP.

Oh shoot. When Arch asked me to clarify, I typed up the definition of tracker real quickly and forgot to look at the thread to see exactly what ADK had claimed.

Thread? Didn't you have a QT?

Surely you could've asked if ADK was town or not.

[mail-mi]

Well um, he claimed to only see it if the target is a Host, so ADK does not have the power to "target a [as in: any] player and see what players they targeted".

Sorry, EBWOP.

Oh shoot. When Arch asked me to clarify, I typed up the definition of tracker real quickly and forgot to look at the thread to see exactly what ADK had claimed.

Thread? Didn't you have a QT?

Surely you could've asked if ADK was town or not.

No, I can only ask about their abilities, not their alignment. I asked if ADK was really a tracker, he said yes. Then I asked Arch and he said no.

[mail-mi]

Well, I still think ADK is a scum host, so even if I did make a mistake in asking my question, I think we still have one scum host down for good.

[mail-mi]

Also, I asked Arch how day-roleblocking would work (If I had already sent a message to someone, would the command be blocked retroactively, or would they have to roleblock me before I sent my message?) and he said it could work either way.

[jotheonah]

I never said I didn't get mail-mi's message. I got mail-mi's message.

And you didn't claim this because?

What was it?

To  be honest I  kind of forgot about it. It was just the same information he put in the thread.

[jotheonah]

I wonder ... can  perma-dead hosts with maintenance not use maintenance, or can they use it but then they can't be  fixed? Because if it's the latter there could still  be value to ADK opening a QT with someone just in case he has info that contradicts something that's been claimed today.

[mail-mi]

I wonder ... can  perma-dead hosts with maintenance not use maintenance, or can they use it but then they can't be  fixed? Because if it's the latter there could still  be value to ADK opening a QT with someone just in case he has info that contradicts something that's been claimed today.

Yes, they can. My power specifically says that any attempt to Fix them will fail, but they can still use Maintenance.

[jotheonah]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

[mail-mi]

I think I'm okay with lynching Awa now. I still have suspicions for Joth and would not be surprised at a Joth/Swowl scumteam.

[faust]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

[faust]

Also, I don't think there's a world where a scumteam of ADK, joth, Didds makes sense regardless of human/host considerations.

[Awaclus]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

[faust]

Human: faust, MiX, mail-mi, Swowl, scolapasta, LaLight, (hypercube)
Host: Didds, ADK, joth
Both but also neither: Awaclus

Is this about right?

I will say this: If ADK were the only town host, then mail-mi would have just endgamed us. Which is to say... if this is correct, then either joth or Didds have to be town.

[faust]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

[faust]

Okay, I think scola did not actually claim Host/Human, and I'm also not sure about MiX, can we do that? It seems like it's helpful to figure stuff out.

[faust]

Where stuff is "should we resurrect Didds"?

[MiX]

I didn't claim human/host status yet.

Okay, I think scola did not actually claim Host/Human, and I'm also not sure about MiX, can we do that? It seems like it's helpful to figure stuff out.

I see no reason to.

[Awaclus]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

[faust]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

Yes. I thought that was implicit in my first answer.

[MiX]

Where stuff is "should we resurrect Didds"?

Yes.

[Awaclus]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

Yes. I thought that was implicit in my first answer.

Have I ever done something like that as scum?

[mail-mi]

MiX should have just received a message.

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

Yes. I thought that was implicit in my first answer.

Have I ever done something like that as scum?

Perhaps not, but isn't the goal to be unpredictable as scum and do new things so that you aren't lynched?

[MiX]

I have the message.

[scolapasta]

I didn't claim human/host status yet.

Okay, I think scola did not actually claim Host/Human, and I'm also not sure about MiX, can we do that? It seems like it's helpful to figure stuff out.

I see no reason to.

Catching up. Also don't see reason to claim this yet.

[scolapasta]

Where stuff is "should we resurrect Didds"?

Yes.

Wait, why? (not saying I'm against it, just wanting to understand the why's of it)

[MiX]

Where stuff is "should we resurrect Didds"?

Yes.

Wait, why? (not saying I'm against it, just wanting to understand the why's of it)

To gain time. Also to confirm that I shot her, although that's a bit useless. Plus, given all the shenanigans we uncovered today, I have no reason to think Didds is scum.

[faust]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

Yes. I thought that was implicit in my first answer.

Have I ever done something like that as scum?

I think you can answer that question better than me, so I'm not sure why you are asking.

[Swowl]

@ faust - clarification for your list of abilities and actions from a few pages back:

I also claimed the Maintenance shut down ability. Once per game, during the day, I can target a dead host and make it so they can never use Maintenance again.

Also also, Host/Human status unclear on me? I rezed Joth. I thought that made it clear I was Human. Just to be clear - I am in fact Human.

[scolapasta]

MiX why were you so quick to dayvig WCD?

[Swowl]

I will not use my ability on Didds unless it is like decided here that I should. But I do not believe that she is Town.
Within the realm of plausible shit, if she is town, that means either:
1. I shot Joth, then brought him back. Which is not accurate.
2. Joth was killed by a 3rd party. Which could make Joth either skum or town still. But if skum, then either that third party was me or didds, or they are lying.
3. Somehow Joth is skum that died and there was not other kill that night or the following night. Not really super believable.
4. Some sort of Ninja kill on Joth. So Joth is probably town.

So yeah. I really do not see Joth being skum. And if they are, then Didds still is likely third party. Or if Joth is Town... then didds is likely skum. So I do not like the idea of bringing Didds back at this point.

I am stilling trying to parse any other options of the MM vs Joth thing.

I think the best lynch is to lynch skum, and I think that it is most likely to be awaclus. I understand the concept people are talking about regarding not choosing them based on Host/Human... but like, who is a suitable lynch outside of them?

[MiX]

MiX why were you so quick to dayvig WCD?

I need to do it some time before deadline, and it was...sorta compulsive that I had to do it today? So, yeah.

I haven't claimed everything, but you don't need more from me at all.

[scolapasta]

MiX why were you so quick to dayvig WCD?

I need to do it some time before deadline, and it was...sorta compulsive that I had to do it today? So, yeah.

I haven't claimed everything, but you don't need more from me at all.

I ALWAYS need more from you.

Why compulsive to do today?

You do see that it's kind of weird that you did it very early before we can a chance to fully process WCD's claim (which seems to have turned out to be true) and then also the confusion of how your ability on me should work. (i.e. using my receiving two NOs as a way of claiming Didds was lying; rather than a misunderstanding of how your PR works on the target)

Also, why are you not William?

[MiX]

I have a passive. That passive somehow lead me to have to kill today. It's not important.

It's weird, yes, but...I don't know what else to say. I played with the information I had, and I didn't want to get to a point where I had passed the time to dayvig.

[Awaclus]

Another thought. If the scum team is <Didds, ADK, someone else> that someone else is probably a human, right? I mean, it makes sense that there would be a mix of hosts and humans for scum. So in that case, Awaclus would be a bad choice for today's exile, as would I. We'd want to be choosing from a pool of humans.

Awaclus counts as a human for maintenance.

Do you think scum!me has an ability with a clarification about how it works with the town win con, or do you think I made that up?

You made it up.

Did I also make up the part where I got it wrong at first and realized my mistake upon opening my QT to ask a question about my role?

Yes. I thought that was implicit in my first answer.

Have I ever done something like that as scum?

I think you can answer that question better than me, so I'm not sure why you are asking.

The answer of course is that I haven't. If I was scum, I would have set up something better than that, such as a lack of nightkill that you can then blame on someone you claimed to roleblock.

[MiX]

Why do you need something better than this? Why would scum!you have to fabricate a way to exile someone?

How could faust know there were no doctors (alive, I presume hypercube was the doc)?

[Awaclus]

Why do you need something better than this? Why would scum!you have to fabricate a way to exile someone?

How could faust know there were no doctors (alive, I presume hypercube was the doc)?

1) So that I don't get exiled.
2) He didn't need to know that, and in fact fishing for a doctor claim could have potentially been his intention all along.

[faust]

Have I ever done something like that as scum?

I think you can answer that question better than me, so I'm not sure why you are asking.

The answer of course is that I haven't.

A wise man once said:

doing the thing you never do as scum is a classic scum play.

[faust]

Also worth pointing out that this is when ADK claims to have investigated LaLight. If Awaclus is truthful then at this point he would have known ADK is either lying or a host. But in his next couple of posts Awaclus ignores ADK completely.

[Awaclus]

Also worth pointing out that this is when ADK claims to have investigated LaLight. If Awaclus is truthful then at this point he would have known ADK is either lying or a host. But in his next couple of posts Awaclus ignores ADK completely.

What do you suggest the correct play would have been there?

[faust]

Also worth pointing out that this is when ADK claims to have investigated LaLight. If Awaclus is truthful then at this point he would have known ADK is either lying or a host. But in his next couple of posts Awaclus ignores ADK completely.

What do you suggest the correct play would have been there?

Push for an ADK exile.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 3.5

Awaclus (2): LaLight, scolapasta
jotheonah (2): mail-mi, Awaclus

Not Voting (4): MiX, Swowl, jotheonah, faust

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until July 31st, 2:40 pm Forum Time (~1.5 days)

[MiX]

Also worth pointing out that this is when ADK claims to have investigated LaLight. If Awaclus is truthful then at this point he would have known ADK is either lying or a host. But in his next couple of posts Awaclus ignores ADK completely.

What do you suggest the correct play would have been there?

Push for an ADK exile.

Doesn't it make more sense that Awaclus would know ADK's a host, and thus not push them, as it's useless?

[faust]

Also worth pointing out that this is when ADK claims to have investigated LaLight. If Awaclus is truthful then at this point he would have known ADK is either lying or a host. But in his next couple of posts Awaclus ignores ADK completely.

What do you suggest the correct play would have been there?

Push for an ADK exile.

Doesn't it make more sense that Awaclus would know ADK's a host, and thus not push them, as it's useless?

Maybe. Maybe not. ADK could have been lying after all. This discussion isn't particularly productive as we should exile Awaclus anyways.

[jotheonah]

Vote: Awaclus

[jotheonah]

I'm ready to vote: Awaclus

I guess this didn't count because I didn't capitalize vote? The pedantic insistence on exact syntax is a little meh.

[faust]

Vote: Awaclus

[mail-mi]

I think I'll say Intent to hammer. There's no other likely way that the night kill was stopped last night, right?

[scolapasta]

One idea occurred to me, what if all scum are hosts? I mean, there's no design need for a scum human is there?

[Awaclus]

Meh. Not really much I can do about it I guess. I have claimed everything truthfully and I'm not hiding any further info that I have.

[mail-mi]

Vote: Awaclus

[faust]

One idea occurred to me, what if all scum are hosts? I mean, there's no design need for a scum human is there?

My role seems to indicate that there is a human scum. But maybe Awaclus would fit that bill.

[jotheonah]

Are there any night actions it makes sense to coordinate?

[mail-mi]

If Awa is actually a host, I'll get a QT with him tonight. What question should I ask about his abilities?

[faust]

If Awa is actually a host, I'll get a QT with him tonight. What question should I ask about his abilities?

Who his scumpartners are? There's not really a point to asking any more questions.

[MiX]

If Awa is actually a host, I'll get a QT with him tonight. What question should I ask about his abilities?

Who his scumpartners are? There's not really a point to asking any more questions.

He means with his role.

[faust]

If Awa is actually a host, I'll get a QT with him tonight. What question should I ask about his abilities?

Who his scumpartners are? There's not really a point to asking any more questions.

He means with his role.

Ah. The phrasing is strange there. Whetherhe can be resurrected would be good. We could also try to confirm the Watcher bit, but that doesn't really do anything for us other than potentially confirm he was lying.

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 3.FINAL

Awaclus (5): LaLight, scolapasta, jotheonah, faust, mail-mi
jotheonah (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (2): MiX, Swowl

With 8 alive it took 5 to exile.

[Archetype]

The Mesa was in a panic. Many of the park's Hosts had been sent back for diagnostics and guests were getting unhappy. Bernard Lowe decided to investigate, unknownigly meeting a similar fate...


Awaclus has been Exiled. They were Bernard Lowe, a Host

Night 3 Start!

Night action deadline is August 1st at 2:30 am Forum Time. Day 4 will begin August 1st at 2:30 pm Forum Time.

[Archetype]

It was yet another surprisingly death-absent time for the park. If people aren't attending for Westworld's carnage, why are they attending at all?

No one died

WestCoastDidds has returned to life!


Day 4 Start!


Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting ( 8 ): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, faust, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time


Thread Unlocked!

[scolapasta]

Didds! You're back!

Sorry for my saying you were not telling the truth - I had a NO result for you, and didn't know about MiX's power.

That said, while I believe you were truthful in what you were redirected, still unsure if your alignment.

Faust, who did you block last night?

[MiX]

Uh...welcome back Didds! Sorry about that.

Awaclus seems to be dead for good then?

Who else can roleblock other than faust?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hooray, She has risen!

MiXy...come on, dude.  QUIT KILLING ME!

Scola, I'm town.  Not only is it true, but it seems like that's the best operating assumption after the massclaims yesterday.

Also, it was all I could do not not +1 faust's "classcial Diddsian meddling" post.  Pure gold.

No one died!  Cha cha cha!  That's awesome!

[scolapasta]

Hooray, She has risen!

MiXy...come on, dude.  QUIT KILLING ME!

Scola, I'm town.  Not only is it true, but it seems like that's the best operating assumption after the massclaims yesterday.

Also, it was all I could do not not +1 faust's "classcial Diddsian meddling" post.  Pure gold.

No one died!  Cha cha cha!  That's awesome!

Do you have any other PR besides redirect?

[WestCoastDidds]

Just redirect and maintenance (obvi). 

I also get to know who has targeted me, but I have a question about that out to Arch. It looks like a list of who has targeted me since the beginning of the game until I died, but I can't quite parse it.

[faust]

Faust, who did you block last night?

I don't think I should be the firstperson to claim.

In fact, here's an order:

MiX
Swowl
joth
scolapasta
LaLight
faust
mail-mi

[faust]

(Didds already knows who I targeted)

[MiX]

I did nothing last night.

Turns out my steal is a one-shot when it works. Same for my dayvig btw.

Swowl, you're up!

[LaLight]

i have some news, I just guessed the second ability correctly

[Swowl]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

[mail-mi]

Faust, who did you block last night?

I don't think I should be the firstperson to claim.

In fact, here's an order:

MiX
Swowl
joth
scolapasta
LaLight
faust
mail-mi

I am okay with this order.

[Swowl]

Uh...welcome back Didds! Sorry about that.

Awaclus seems to be dead for good then?

Who else can roleblock other than faust?

Says awa flipped host - why can’t he be brought back? Did he claim not to be able to?

[MiX]

He claimed to not have maintenance, right?

Although I think mail-mi can revive hosts? I didn't memorize all of his options.

[mail-mi]

He claimed to not have maintenance, right?

Although I think mail-mi can revive hosts? I didn't memorize all of his options.

I can revive a town host once. I already tried to use that power on Joth, and it didn't work (it still got used up tho)

[WestCoastDidds]

Uh...welcome back Didds! Sorry about that.

Awaclus seems to be dead for good then?

Who else can roleblock other than faust?

Says awa flipped host - why can’t he be brought back? Did he claim not to be able to?

He claimed he was a host that was masquerading as a human. So he seemed human, but wasn’t in terms of our win con and that he didn’t have maintenance.

[faust]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

One part? Which is the part that you didn't fuck up?

[jotheonah]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

[Swowl]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

One part? Which is the part that you didn't fuck up?

your opinion is noted? explain to me in your own words why you don't like my selections.

[Swowl]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

[MiX]

Usually a fullclaim includes things that weren't mentioned before last fullclaim. Just saying, joth.

[jotheonah]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

how could I know the answer to the second question?
To answer the first, I just got  it at the beginning of the night. I got a message from the mod that said 'you've found a thing. because you're a host you can't use it, but you can give it to someone else'. So I gave it to you.

[faust]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

One part? Which is the part that you didn't fuck up?

your opinion is noted? explain to me in your own words why you don't like my selections.

Didn't you say it yourself? It was pointless to track joth as you would have gotten the same result regards of his alignment.

[faust]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

how could I know the answer to the second question?
To answer the first, I just got  it at the beginning of the night. I got a message from the mod that said 'you've found a thing. because you're a host you can't use it, but you can give it to someone else'. So I gave it to you.

Why to Swowl?

[faust]

Seems like the person you defend and the person you give it to should be one and the same.

[LaLight]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

how could I know the answer to the second question?
To answer the first, I just got  it at the beginning of the night. I got a message from the mod that said 'you've found a thing. because you're a host you can't use it, but you can give it to someone else'. So I gave it to you.

Why to Swowl?

why not me?

[Swowl]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

One part? Which is the part that you didn't fuck up?

your opinion is noted? explain to me in your own words why you don't like my selections.

Didn't you say it yourself? It was pointless to track joth as you would have gotten the same result regards of his alignment.

... unless a human dies and joth is still alive. obviously. Sorry, thought that was more straightforward of a point given Joth's ability.

[Swowl]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

how could I know the answer to the second question?
To answer the first, I just got  it at the beginning of the night. I got a message from the mod that said 'you've found a thing. because you're a host you can't use it, but you can give it to someone else'. So I gave it to you.

Do you know what it does? Do you know the restrictions it carries?

[jotheonah]

Seems like the person you defend and the person you give it to should be one and the same.

why?

[jotheonah]

Is it my turn to claim?

I used my defend ability on Mail-mi. I gave Swowl the thing that he got. I agree there’s no good reason to say what it is.

how did you get the thing that you gave to me?
do you have the same info that I have about it?

how could I know the answer to the second question?
To answer the first, I just got  it at the beginning of the night. I got a message from the mod that said 'you've found a thing. because you're a host you can't use it, but you can give it to someone else'. So I gave it to you.

Do you know what it does? Do you know the restrictions it carries?

Assuming we're talking about the same thing, I know what it does. Not sure about restrictions.

[Swowl]

scolapasta
LL
Faust
MM

lets go

[Swowl]

Usually a fullclaim includes things that weren't mentioned before last fullclaim. Just saying, joth.

also you need to claim whatever the unclaimed thing is. unless you have already and I missed it.

[Swowl]

Usually a fullclaim includes things that weren't mentioned before last fullclaim. Just saying, joth.

usually full claim means everything. ppe myself.

[MiX]

Usually a fullclaim includes things that weren't mentioned before last fullclaim. Just saying, joth.

also you need to claim whatever the unclaimed thing is. unless you have already and I missed it.

I'll do it if I need to claim Human/Host status.

[Swowl]

Usually a fullclaim includes things that weren't mentioned before last fullclaim. Just saying, joth.

also you need to claim whatever the unclaimed thing is. unless you have already and I missed it.

I'll do it if I need to claim Human/Host status.

I mean I think everyone can do their claims in the order that was silently agreed to. So we can adress it after it that I suppose.

[Swowl]

MiX - did you get any flavor regarding your ability yesterday?

[MiX]

MiX - did you get any flavor regarding your ability yesterday?

Which ability? Nothing has happened to me since mail-mi's message.

Oh! I think I know what you mean. I did nothing last night, and also did not learn anything either.

[Swowl]

MiX - did you get any flavor regarding your ability yesterday?

Which ability? Nothing has happened to me since mail-mi's message.

Oh! I think I know what you mean. I did nothing last night, and also did not learn anything either.

aright damn.

[Swowl]

MiX - did you get any flavor regarding your ability yesterday?

Which ability? Nothing has happened to me since mail-mi's message.

Oh! I think I know what you mean. I did nothing last night, and also did not learn anything either.

aright damn.

I am just gonna stop for now. But I got some questions for you when the claim is over I suppose.

[faust]

Seems like the person you defend and the person you give it to should be one and the same.

why?

If you don't answer my question I don't feel inclined to answer yours.

[faust]

Well i completely fucked up on one part of my shit. Sorry.

Mistake = tracker MM to everyone alive last night, but i included MiX by error in the subset. I got YES, but the yes Could just be mix getting MMS message.

I also tracked Joth to {MM, Swowl, LaLight} and got a yes. Figures if skum they go for humans and if town they try to defend humans. I am assuming they just targeted me again.

I also got a thing from someone. Don’t know the someone, or even if it was a someone to be honest, and I’m not claiming the thing at this point. Will claim post claims.

One part? Which is the part that you didn't fuck up?

your opinion is noted? explain to me in your own words why you don't like my selections.

Didn't you say it yourself? It was pointless to track joth as you would have gotten the same result regards of his alignment.

... unless a human dies and joth is still alive. obviously. Sorry, thought that was more straightforward of a point given Joth's ability.

Any particular reason you didn't include me in that list?

[jotheonah]

Sorry. Swowl decided to withhold information about the nature of the item from public claiming. All I’ve done is follow his lead on that. Obviously explaining why I gave him the item would involve giving away what the item is, which is why I haven’t answered Faust’s question.

I don’t believe that doing a massclaim once means now and forever for the rest of the game we need to be fully transparent about everything. I understand why Swowl wanted to keep the details of the thing to himself. I think that’s the pro-town move.

[faust]

I disagree.

Vote: Swowl

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, where you at? You’re up.

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth, why do you think Swowl is town?

[jotheonah]

Joth, why do you think Swowl is town?

Mainly because he brought me back to life, even though he had perfect cover not to.

Apparently the scum team this game can't get a kill through to save their lives, so I just can't believe they would actually UNDO the one kill they've actually done.

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth, why do you think Swowl is town?

Mainly because he brought me back to life, even though he had perfect cover not to.

Apparently the scum team this game can't get a kill through to save their lives, so I just can't believe they would actually UNDO the one kill they've actually done.

So, if you're town...let's assume that you were the target (instead of getting a redirected hit aimed at ADK which is also possible and doesn't really change anything), Swowl says he targeted you for something else so he has some sort of cover when you get a result on him. If he's scum, he'd have had a QT with his buddies while he had analysis mode with you and one of the hosts could have told him about Reveries. So, he creates some cover for having whacked you.

Then he revives you and creates a perma-ally for the rest of the game. 

Nervy, but not outside the realm of possibility, yeah?  And at the time he fixed you, scum didn't know that killing was going to be such a challenge.

In his explanation for why he targeted you, he said it was because he thought Glooble was scummy, but earlier he corrected something I wrote and said Glooble wasn't in the game...obviously he forgot that you had replaced in, but that makes it harder to believe he thought you were scummy because he thought Glooble had been.

I am not at all sure about Swan, and his investigations last night make no sense at all to me, and now my only conf!town fasut is voting for him, so I just want to think through your confidence in him more fully. It works, right?

Of course, if you're scum, and he's scum, it works much better.

[scolapasta]

Busy days, will need to get caught up.

But I can at least claim my actions:
Watched Lalight, only 1 person targeted, i.e. me.

Also, @Didds, "reveries"?

[LaLight]

I visited faust and Awaclus on Night 2 after a long way trying to figure out if deflecting would work retroactively and being told it wouldn't.

Here I should say again that I misunderstood my ability again and I get to see if people I visit are targeted by a person who has the ability I am looking for, not the ability itself. So I got a Yes on faust and No on Awaclus and the info that I targeted the bearer of ability 2 times.

This Day I guessed Awaclus and got to know that his passive ability is the one he was talking about. He is seen a human instead of Host. If some condition he doesn't know anything about is met, the ability will be switched off. and also while this ability is active, he can't be the last remaining town host.

[scolapasta]

I visited faust and Awaclus on Night 2 after a long way trying to figure out if deflecting would work retroactively and being told it wouldn't.

Here I should say again that I misunderstood my ability again and I get to see if people I visit are targeted by a person who has the ability I am looking for, not the ability itself. So I got a Yes on faust and No on Awaclus and the info that I targeted the bearer of ability 2 times.

This Day I guessed Awaclus and got to know that his passive ability is the one he was talking about. He is seen a human instead of Host. If some condition he doesn't know anything about is met, the ability will be switched off. and also while this ability is active, he can't be the last remaining town host.

Does visiting count as targetting? Shouldn't I have seen you, then?

I saw 4 people, we were assuming it was me, faust, Didds, and Swowl. (with the assumption Didds redirected from faust to Awaclus). But if you're one of the 4, then one of the other 3 can't be; and if it's not Didds, then it wouldn't be faust either, since he cliams to have targeted Awaclus)

[faust]

Well.

I targeted MiX tonight and blocked him from {faust, LaLight, scolapasta, mail-mi, Awaclus}. I also activated my special power and learned that MiX did not attempt to target someone from that group.

I was targeted for maintenance by Didds and ADK. I attempted to revive ADK, which apparently failed. ADK told me that they asked the question mail-mi supposedly asked about them and got a different answer.

[faust]

I think it is safe to say that whatever is going on with scum's nightkills, I'm not the one blocking them.

[WestCoastDidds]

Busy days, will need to get caught up.

But I can at least claim my actions:
Watched Lalight, only 1 person targeted, i.e. me.

Also, @Didds, "reveries"?

When I am rezzed, I get to find out who targeted them me I was living. I assume this is a host ability rather than something specific to me, although I could be wrong. If there is another host (besides Joth) they know if it's correct or not. It's called Reveries. 

[scolapasta]

Well.

I targeted MiX tonight and blocked him from {faust, LaLight, scolapasta, mail-mi, Awaclus}. I also activated my special power and learned that MiX did not attempt to target someone from that group.

I was targeted for maintenance by Didds and ADK. I attempted to revive ADK, which apparently failed. ADK told me that they asked the question mail-mi supposedly asked about them and got a different answer.

How could Didds have been revived then? (or are you saying you also revived her)

[faust]

Well.

I targeted MiX tonight and blocked him from {faust, LaLight, scolapasta, mail-mi, Awaclus}. I also activated my special power and learned that MiX did not attempt to target someone from that group.

I was targeted for maintenance by Didds and ADK. I attempted to revive ADK, which apparently failed. ADK told me that they asked the question mail-mi supposedly asked about them and got a different answer.

How could Didds have been revived then? (or are you saying you also revived her)

Yeah I revived both, I thought that I revived Didds went without saying, sorry for the confusion.

[faust]

When I am rezzed, I get to find out who targeted them me I was living.

I do not understand this...

[WestCoastDidds]

@Scola- I think that LL "visited" them on N2 last night...I think the "visit" is more like visiting a memory or whatever.  I don't thinlk is saying that he did this on N2. 

LL, is that right?

[WestCoastDidds]

When I am rezzed, I get to find out who targeted them me I was living.

I do not understand this...

So, in my role description has three parts. One is the description of the deflection.  Another tells me that I can request someone and then enter analysis mode.  They can fix me and then I am back in the game. And then another is that when I am brought back to life I will be told the names of players who targeted me with abilities when I was alive.  (the list was Joth, yams, and MiX which checks out with the claims, I think).

This is the reason that when Joth said he knew who had targeted him that I thought he had misspoken because I assumed he would get that information without having to activate anything, because that is how it is for me. 

[WestCoastDidds]

This is also the reason that I wondered if scum!Swowl would have known to tell Joth he targeted him one of his scum host buddies has the same ability.

[scolapasta]

@Scola- I think that LL "visited" them on N2 last night...I think the "visit" is more like visiting a memory or whatever.  I don't thinlk is saying that he did this on N2. 

LL, is that right?

Ah, that makes sense.

[LaLight]

I visited faust and Awaclus on Night 2 after a long way trying to figure out if deflecting would work retroactively and being told it wouldn't.

Here I should say again that I misunderstood my ability again and I get to see if people I visit are targeted by a person who has the ability I am looking for, not the ability itself. So I got a Yes on faust and No on Awaclus and the info that I targeted the bearer of ability 2 times.

This Day I guessed Awaclus and got to know that his passive ability is the one he was talking about. He is seen a human instead of Host. If some condition he doesn't know anything about is met, the ability will be switched off. and also while this ability is active, he can't be the last remaining town host.

Does visiting count as targetting? Shouldn't I have seen you, then?

I saw 4 people, we were assuming it was me, faust, Didds, and Swowl. (with the assumption Didds redirected from faust to Awaclus). But if you're one of the 4, then one of the other 3 can't be; and if it's not Didds, then it wouldn't be faust either, since he cliams to have targeted Awaclus)

yeah, it doesn't work like this. I did that This Night, but I get to choose which night do I go to visit

[LaLight]

@Scola- I think that LL "visited" them on N2 last night...I think the "visit" is more like visiting a memory or whatever.  I don't thinlk is saying that he did this on N2. 

LL, is that right?

Ah, that makes sense.

yes

[MiX]

Hmm...so...Awaclus is town?

Or, uh, we have no results that help us because there's no kills to track/watch!

We killed our cop/doctor D1 then??

What's with this game...

[Swowl]

Joth, why do you think Swowl is town?

Mainly because he brought me back to life, even though he had perfect cover not to.

Apparently the scum team this game can't get a kill through to save their lives, so I just can't believe they would actually UNDO the one kill they've actually done.

So, if you're town...let's assume that you were the target (instead of getting a redirected hit aimed at ADK which is also possible and doesn't really change anything), Swowl says he targeted you for something else so he has some sort of cover when you get a result on him. If he's scum, he'd have had a QT with his buddies while he had analysis mode with you and one of the hosts could have told him about Reveries. So, he creates some cover for having whacked you.

Then he revives you and creates a perma-ally for the rest of the game. 

Nervy, but not outside the realm of possibility, yeah?  And at the time he fixed you, scum didn't know that killing was going to be such a challenge.

In his explanation for why he targeted you, he said it was because he thought Glooble was scummy, but earlier he corrected something I wrote and said Glooble wasn't in the game...obviously he forgot that you had replaced in, but that makes it harder to believe he thought you were scummy because he thought Glooble had been.

I am not at all sure about Swan, and his investigations last night make no sense at all to me, and now my only conf!town fasut is voting for him, so I just want to think through your confidence in him more fully. It works, right?

Of course, if you're scum, and he's scum, it works much better.

no clue what a reverie is.
none of that happened.
Also, I wouldn't of led with half a result like I did if it were true - way to suspicious as skum (especially if I knew the answer already because "I did it").

In regards to my selection of night action targets, I do not understand what is confusing to people about the selection.

Also - @ faust - I cannot remember why you are not on the list of subset two. I mean, you are not - double checked - but either I just forgot to include you or I had a reason, probably just forgot. Doesn't matter anyways now I suppose.

[Swowl]

I disagree.

Vote: Swowl

calm down. I said I would spill what it was eventually. Not planning on holding onto the info like indefinitely, I just wanted to get the claims out first.

Joth - you wanna go ahead and tell them what you gave me please.

[Swowl]

I think it is safe to say that whatever is going on with scum's nightkills, I'm not the one blocking them.

well as you are the only blocker and you blocked mix and no one died and you checked him... yeah I would agree there is something else probably.

maybe like enabler skum!host or something like that?

[jotheonah]

I disagree.

Vote: Swowl

calm down. I said I would spill what it was eventually. Not planning on holding onto the info like indefinitely, I just wanted to get the claims out first.

Joth - you wanna go ahead and tell them what you gave me please.

Sure. It’s a dayvig that will fail under certain unknown circumstances. If it succeeds it protects Swowl from the night kill tonight.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 4.1

Swowl (1): faust

Not Voting (7): mail-mi, MiX, LaLight, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time

[Swowl]

I disagree.

Vote: Swowl

calm down. I said I would spill what it was eventually. Not planning on holding onto the info like indefinitely, I just wanted to get the claims out first.

Joth - you wanna go ahead and tell them what you gave me please.

Sure. It’s a dayvig that will fail under certain unknown circumstances. If it succeeds it protects Swowl from the night kill tonight.

sorry, just wanted to be sure.
and yes that is what it is. and I have to use it today.

[Swowl]

also I have no idea at all what the conditions of which it will fail under are... so if anyone has any light to shed on that. that would just be great.

It would be nice to have MM confirm no actions and then I think pasta and Mix need to finalize. We are playing with half a deck here. full claims need to be finished.

[faust]

Cool. joth, can you now explain why you gave it to Swowl?

[Swowl]

Cool. joth, can you now explain why you gave it to Swowl?

insert obvious answer here.

Why did you block MiX?

[Swowl]

I have also brought this up to everyone a few times now and gotten no feedback.
I have the ability to perma shutdown a host with maintenance. What does everyone make of that?

Also... vig shot and all. I know where I am at with how to handle it, but I think it would be beneficial to get some opinions put down from everyone.

[Swowl]

Also faust, is your current stance that ADK was town?

[faust]

Cool. joth, can you now explain why you gave it to Swowl?

insert obvious answer here.

Why did you block MiX?

I was worried about him playing me. Also his claimed role didn't seem important, so it was fine to block, I wanted to have tracking/watching results unblocked.

[faust]

Also faust, is your current stance that ADK was town?

The host situation is very irritating. I read both ADK and joth as scum, but it seems very unlikely that they both are, given the kill.

If ADK is town then mail-mi would be implicated, and I townread mail-mi, so that's strange. However if joth is town then mail-mi is also implicated. We have no evidence of powers being blocked other than by me, so it's unclear why resurrecting joth failed.

[faust]

I want joth to be the target of the vig shot.

[jotheonah]

and I have to use it today.

You mean you have to use it today or lose it, or it’s mandatory that you use it today?

[jotheonah]

Cool. joth, can you now explain why you gave it to Swowl?

Because he’s my scum partner and my night kills keep failing. /s

...

Because, as I’ve said 1000 times now, I’m strongly townreading him because he revived me when he didn’t have to.

[jotheonah]

I want joth to be the target of the vig shot.

I want faust to be the target of the vig shot.

Rezzing Didds was scummy.

Vote: faust

[MiX]

I want joth to be the target of the vig shot.

I want faust to be the target of the vig shot.

Rezzing Didds was scummy.

Vote: faust

Was it? Isn't rezzing you when mail-mi said you were scum even scummier? Look at it from an outside perspective, what looks worse? Also, didn't we decide Didds was town, or at least telling the truth?

I like how there's another compulsive dayvig, but is that how scum NKs...?

[WestCoastDidds]

In response to Swowl’s permadead a host....

So, we have three hosts that have maintenance that we know of...WCD, Joth, and ADK. ADK is already permadead from yams, so we’re down to 2. Could be that either Scola or mix is a host, and that would give us some more wiggle room. I’m assuming they aren’t for the moment, and that hosts are our most limited resource.

We win when there is a town host alive and scum have been eliminated. I’m not 100% that Joth is town, but I’m not so sure that I’d want to risk offing him for good. I’m 100% that I’m town, and I know we shouldn’t off me for good. Further, offing either one of us for good makes it much easier for scum to focus on eliminating the last one.

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

PPE: 2

[jotheonah]

I want joth to be the target of the vig shot.

I want faust to be the target of the vig shot.

Rezzing Didds was scummy.

Vote: faust

Was it? Isn't rezzing you when mail-mi said you were scum even scummier? Look at it from an outside perspective, what looks worse? Also, didn't we decide Didds was town, or at least telling the truth?

I like how there's another compulsive dayvig, but is that how scum NKs...?

Yes in that case I would definitely openly and brazenly claim that I gave it out.

[MiX]

Of course you would!

What were your night actions?

[jotheonah]

I don’t think we win this game by killing the same people over and over and over again. It seems like scum can’t use its kill for whatever reason but instead of pressing that advantage town just wants to throw ours away by rezzing everyone we kill and then using our kills on people we already rezzed. And by town I mean faust. Faust is trying to do damage control for his team here by getting us to waste our weapons and spin our wheels.

[jotheonah]

Of course you would!

What were your night actions?

I already claimed.

I defended mail-mi (redirect actions that target him to me and I get investigative results if I die that night) and gave the vig power to Swowl.

[WestCoastDidds]

I was never scummy. I was entirely forthcoming way before anyone else had claimed and the series of claims afterwards has born that out. I’m not even sure that MiX thought I was scummy when he whacked me, but by the end of the day Scola, MiX, and faust had figured out I was telling the truth.

This is part of why I’m have so much distrust of Joth/Swowl. I don’t get the insistence that I’m scum, nor the nonchalance about leaving hosts dead.

[WestCoastDidds]

I don’t think we win this game by killing the same people over and over and over again. It seems like scum can’t use its kill for whatever reason but instead of pressing that advantage town just wants to throw ours away by rezzing everyone we kill and then using our kills on people we already rezzed. And by town I mean faust. Faust is trying to do damage control for his team here by getting us to waste our weapons and spin our wheels.

I agree with this. I think we need to exile a human. I think that pool, for me, is Swowl, faust, or yams.

I have some of the same feelings about faust that you have about Swowl. Rezzing me makes him more town for me. It also gives them both more town cred since hosts are good for town. I think we need to both consider that bias in trying to evaluate them. I’m not sure I can see outside of it.

[faust]

I don’t think we win this game by killing the same people over and over and over again. It seems like scum can’t use its kill for whatever reason but instead of pressing that advantage town just wants to throw ours away by rezzing everyone we kill and then using our kills on people we already rezzed. And by town I mean faust. Faust is trying to do damage control for his team here by getting us to waste our weapons and spin our wheels.

I agree with this. I think we need to exile a human. I think that pool, for me, is Swowl, faust, or yams.

I have some of the same feelings about faust that you have about Swowl. Rezzing me makes him more town for me. It also gives them both more town cred since hosts are good for town. I think we need to both consider that bias in trying to evaluate them. I’m not sure I can see outside of it.

I'm absolutely in favor of exiling Swowl, but I somehow doubt I'll succeed at convincing him to shoot himself.

[faust]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

[WestCoastDidds]

Right?!!

[MiX]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

Are you suggesting they can't NK? Why claim to have a dayvig then? Just use it silently, right?

[faust]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

Are you suggesting they can't NK? Why claim to have a dayvig then? Just use it silently, right?

Maybe they can't? It's not clear to me that they could hide using it.

[jotheonah]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

A one-shot dayvig that kicks in on day 4 and the ability to kill people who are already dead? That's definitely comparable in power level to a nightkill every night.

[faust]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

A one-shot dayvig that kicks in on day 4 and the ability to kill people who are already dead? That's definitely comparable in power level to a nightkill every night.

So I assume you have a better explanation for the lack of nightkills?

[jotheonah]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

A one-shot dayvig that kicks in on day 4 and the ability to kill people who are already dead? That's definitely comparable in power level to a nightkill every night.

So I assume you have a better explanation for the lack of nightkills?

Weird assumption.

I don't know why they're not happening. I do know that we should press the advantage while we can, and I want to know why you don't want to do that.

[faust]

It makes me super nervous that Joth could wipe out everyone who has died before (him and me) and it makes me super nervous that Swowl could off one of us, too. And now a vig shot, too. That’s a lot of killing power residing in that pair, and it’s a pair that is solidified as a pairing.

Yeah a lot of killing power... it's almost like... they don't even need a nightkill!

A one-shot dayvig that kicks in on day 4 and the ability to kill people who are already dead? That's definitely comparable in power level to a nightkill every night.

So I assume you have a better explanation for the lack of nightkills?

Weird assumption.

I don't know why they're not happening. I do know that we should press the advantage while we can, and I want to know why you don't want to do that.

It's not an advantage. It's clear that town isn't stopping the kills, so scum is either deciding to not kill as they think that's in their best interest, or they have something up their sleeves that makes up for their inability to kill.

I don't know what "pressing the advantage" is even supposed to mean. Judging by your vote, it means exiling town, and if that's the case then I am not in favor.

[LaLight]

I think Vote: mail-mi

The closest thing to nightkills scum might have is an ability to shut down hosts for good. What if each scum has their own "kill" with this one being one of them?

[mail-mi]

I am back from vacation and ready to play.

So night happened right when I went on vacation. I talked to Awa a little bit, and he suggested that I could confirm the fact that he doesn't count as a host for town's wincon. I posted that question, and a while later Arch said it wasn't valid. By the time I was able to check back, the action deadline had passed :/ so I did nothing of use last night.

[WestCoastDidds]

How was your vacation?  Do you go anywhere or just not work??

What is your opinion of Swowl and of faust?

[scolapasta]

The fact that we don't learn anything about hosts is very challenging. I'm surprised there's not a cop that sees alignment but just of hosts (or something like that).

I do think joth could be scum. I'm wary of faust, swowl, and mail-mi.

Would prefer to vote a human, I think, lean towards easier swowl or mail-mi.

[scolapasta]

That said, and I'm now possibly contradicting myself -

I had early posited a hypothesis that all scum are hosts. Let's look at that again.

In the show, hosts can't hurt humans. So what if? They are all hosts, can only NK other hosts, and have to use other special ways of killing (or exile) to get rid of humans.

that could explain the no NKs, i.e. at the time of night there were no town hosts alive. (Didds may be a town host, but she was dead); Joth could be a scum host.

Something like that at least.

[mail-mi]

How was your vacation?  Do you go anywhere or just not work??

What is your opinion of Swowl and of faust?

Went to rocky mountain national park in CO. It was awesome.

I am still very wary of joth/swowl. We have no claim of me being blocked during D1. So I scumread swowl. I townread faust right now, but that could change.

[WestCoastDidds]

That said, and I'm now possibly contradicting myself -

I had early posited a hypothesis that all scum are hosts. Let's look at that again.

In the show, hosts can't hurt humans. So what if? They are all hosts, can only NK other hosts, and have to use other special ways of killing (or exile) to get rid of humans.

that could explain the no NKs, i.e. at the time of night there were no town hosts alive. (Didds may be a town host, but she was dead); Joth could be a scum host.

Something like that at least.

That I was already dead explains N3. 

N2 is not as clear... unless they tried to shoot a host but it wasn't a host and it failed?

[MiX]

That doesn't make a lot of sense: although it's very much possible they can't kill humans (goes perfectly with my dayvig), why wouldn't they kill a host last night?

Unless...they went for a human and then scola/me? Why risk it?

Did mail-mi claim human?

[scolapasta]

That said, and I'm now possibly contradicting myself -

I had early posited a hypothesis that all scum are hosts. Let's look at that again.

In the show, hosts can't hurt humans. So what if? They are all hosts, can only NK other hosts, and have to use other special ways of killing (or exile) to get rid of humans.

that could explain the no NKs, i.e. at the time of night there were no town hosts alive. (Didds may be a town host, but she was dead); Joth could be a scum host.

Something like that at least.

That I was already dead explains N3. 

N2 is not as clear... unless they tried to shoot a host but it wasn't a host and it failed?

You were dead both N2 and N3, right? You died D2, D3 requested maintenance, and were rezzed for D4.

I really do think joth is likely scum. I think it'd be a clever tactic on N1 (given D1 we exiled town) to NK one of their own. (also guarantees a successful NK if there's any truth to the above ^^^)

[scolapasta]

That doesn't make a lot of sense: although it's very much possible they can't kill humans (goes perfectly with my dayvig), why wouldn't they kill a host last night?

Unless...they went for a human and then scola/me? Why risk it?

Did mail-mi claim human?

Well, what known host could they go for? Only joth, no?

[mail-mi]

That doesn't make a lot of sense: although it's very much possible they can't kill humans (goes perfectly with my dayvig), why wouldn't they kill a host last night?

Unless...they went for a human and then scola/me? Why risk it?

Did mail-mi claim human?

Yes.

[jotheonah]

On the one hand, this is a good explanation. On the other hand, I'm skeptical that Arch would design a game that hamstrings scum that much. Like, how are they suppose to kill humans? Just with town votes? With this vig thing? I mean, it just sort of showed up for me so I can believe that it came from scum. It's a weird number of steps for it to come to me and then for me to have to give it away, but I guess it kind of makes sense since it makes it harder to track.

[Swowl]

@ Joth - vig shot is use it or lose it.

@ WCD - just to be clear, my perma dead ability can only be used on a DEAD host. So, not like a vig shot.

[mail-mi]

@ Joth - vig shot is use it or lose it.

@ WCD - just to be clear, my perma dead ability can only be used on a DEAD host. So, not like a vig shot.

You could vig any living host and then use your perma dead ability.

So it kinda is a vig shot, now that you have an actual vig shot.

[Swowl]

@ Joth - vig shot is use it or lose it.

@ WCD - just to be clear, my perma dead ability can only be used on a DEAD host. So, not like a vig shot.

You could vig any living host and then use your perma dead ability.

So it kinda is a vig shot, now that you have an actual vig shot.

right fair enough. I was just specifying based on the language she used in her response to me. just to be clear.

[Swowl]

I also don't think I would use it on a host given the info we have already... that is to say there probably isn't any more coming out. IDK about that. I value a flip a lot here, but also I assume we are down to the wire (ish) in terms of being able to achieve win con. or not. I don't know. This game is weird.

Does anyone else want to weigh in on the vig shot?

So far I am underwhelmed with the suggestions given.

[scolapasta]

I also don't think I would use it on a host given the info we have already... that is to say there probably isn't any more coming out. IDK about that. I value a flip a lot here, but also I assume we are down to the wire (ish) in terms of being able to achieve win con. or not. I don't know. This game is weird.

Does anyone else want to weigh in on the vig shot?

So far I am underwhelmed with the suggestions given.

We have no idea if we're down to the wire. We have one dead townie (for sure) and two hosts who could be town or scum, one of which we could revive if we wanted to.

[WestCoastDidds]

@ Joth - vig shot is use it or lose it.

@ WCD - just to be clear, my perma dead ability can only be used on a DEAD host. So, not like a vig shot.

You could vig any living host and then use your perma dead ability.

So it kinda is a vig shot, now that you have an actual vig shot.

right fair enough. I was just specifying based on the language she used in her response to me. just to be clear.

Yeah, I definitely thought it was make and keep someone dead who had been dead. 

So, you essentially have the same thing that yams did to ADK?

[WestCoastDidds]

That said, and I'm now possibly contradicting myself -

I had early posited a hypothesis that all scum are hosts. Let's look at that again.

In the show, hosts can't hurt humans. So what if? They are all hosts, can only NK other hosts, and have to use other special ways of killing (or exile) to get rid of humans.

that could explain the no NKs, i.e. at the time of night there were no town hosts alive. (Didds may be a town host, but she was dead); Joth could be a scum host.

Something like that at least.

That I was already dead explains N3. 

N2 is not as clear... unless they tried to shoot a host but it wasn't a host and it failed?

You were dead both N2 and N3, right? You died D2, D3 requested maintenance, and were rezzed for D4.

I really do think joth is likely scum. I think it'd be a clever tactic on N1 (given D1 we exiled town) to NK one of their own. (also guarantees a successful NK if there's any truth to the above ^^^)

No.... I died on D3 and then was fixed by faust on D4. I was a MiX kill, not a NK.

On D1 Hypercube exiled
N1 Joth died
D2 ADK is exiled
N2 no one died, Joth had analysis mode with Swan
D3 Joth rezzed, MiX dayvigs WCD, Awaclus is exiled, yams makes ADK permadead
N3 no one died, ADK and WCD had analysis with faust
D4: WCD is rezzed, ADK rez fails

[jotheonah]

That's actually a good point though -- we need to take MiX's vig into account if our theory is that scum doesn't have a nightkill but is compensating with other tools. Maybe MiX is scum.

[MiX]

That's actually a good point though -- we need to take MiX's vig into account if our theory is that scum doesn't have a nightkill but is compensating with other tools. Maybe MiX is scum.

Hmm...no, because Didds got revived, so I did nothing. Also it's clear my vig shot was secret, so why would I use it publicly as scum?

There's a trigger that lets hosts kill humans. We just need to find out what it is...

In the mean time, kill joth and Didds at the same time? Didds at day so we can rez her?

Joth, what are your PRs?

[scolapasta]

That said, and I'm now possibly contradicting myself -

I had early posited a hypothesis that all scum are hosts. Let's look at that again.

In the show, hosts can't hurt humans. So what if? They are all hosts, can only NK other hosts, and have to use other special ways of killing (or exile) to get rid of humans.

that could explain the no NKs, i.e. at the time of night there were no town hosts alive. (Didds may be a town host, but she was dead); Joth could be a scum host.

Something like that at least.

That I was already dead explains N3. 

N2 is not as clear... unless they tried to shoot a host but it wasn't a host and it failed?

You were dead both N2 and N3, right? You died D2, D3 requested maintenance, and were rezzed for D4.

I really do think joth is likely scum. I think it'd be a clever tactic on N1 (given D1 we exiled town) to NK one of their own. (also guarantees a successful NK if there's any truth to the above ^^^)

No.... I died on D3 and then was fixed by faust on D4. I was a MiX kill, not a NK.

On D1 Hypercube exiled
N1 Joth died
D2 ADK is exiled
N2 no one died, Joth had analysis mode with Swan
D3 Joth rezzed, MiX dayvigs WCD, Awaclus is exiled, yams makes ADK permadead
N3 no one died, ADK and WCD had analysis with faust
D4: WCD is rezzed, ADK rez fails

Oh, right, forgot you were a day kill.  That said, did they know you were a host N2? i.e. they could've targeted a human.

[scolapasta]

That's actually a good point though -- we need to take MiX's vig into account if our theory is that scum doesn't have a nightkill but is compensating with other tools. Maybe MiX is scum.

Not no NK, but no NK of humans. (at least that's my hypothesis)

[LaLight]

if scum can't kill humans, ADK's role makes sense as scum

[scolapasta]

There's a trigger that lets hosts kill humans. We just need to find out what it is...

Do we know such a trigger exists? I believe it could, just don't want to go back and reread to find it.

And do we need to find it? Wouldn't that benefit scum in this hyopthesis?

[scolapasta]

If anyone is interested, I'd love to see a recap of what are all the roles. (I could maybe take a crack at it tonight, if no one else gets to it first).

[jotheonah]

That's actually a good point though -- we need to take MiX's vig into account if our theory is that scum doesn't have a nightkill but is compensating with other tools. Maybe MiX is scum.

Hmm...no, because Didds got revived, so I did nothing. Also it's clear my vig shot was secret, so why would I use it publicly as scum?

There's a trigger that lets hosts kill humans. We just need to find out what it is...

In the mean time, kill joth and Didds at the same time? Didds at day so we can rez her?

Joth, what are your PRs?

I'm really done answering questions I've already answered that you can easily look up.

[MiX]

There's a trigger that lets hosts kill humans. We just need to find out what it is...

Do we know such a trigger exists? I believe it could, just don't want to go back and reread to find it.

And do we need to find it? Wouldn't that benefit scum in this hyopthesis?

I think Awaclus mentioned something of the sort. It would make sense that the switch did something to all hosts, to the point Awaclus couldn't pass off as human anymore.

PPE: How did you get your item?

[jotheonah]

Also if you really want to kill me and Didds at the same time, I can do that right now. I just use my Massacre ability. But I'm going to need some kind of assurance that someone will rez me, which seems unlikely unless Swowl does it again.

[jotheonah]

Arch just messaged me at the start of the night and said that tonight I can give away this ability. idk if it's because of someone else's power, a secret power, a natural trigger. It's RMM.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, we hadn’t shared human/host information by N2. Yams knew I was a host because I had responded to his message with the pineapple-if-host codeword (which you totally called out as random word posting! Ha!) I also know that before I died I had been targeted by MiX (killed me), Yams (messaged me), and Joth (he says he tracked the people who had targeted him).

It seems entirely possible scum tried to kill a human and it failed, thus no NK on N2 and N3. Joth died on N1 so we know a host can be killed at night.

[WestCoastDidds]

Also if you really want to kill me and Didds at the same time, I can do that right now. I just use my Massacre ability. But I'm going to need some kind of assurance that someone will rez me, which seems unlikely unless Swowl does it again.

Why is it a good idea to kill us?

And why does MiX want to find the trigger that lets hosts kill humans?

MiX, what did I miss?

[MiX]

Also if you really want to kill me and Didds at the same time, I can do that right now. I just use my Massacre ability. But I'm going to need some kind of assurance that someone will rez me, which seems unlikely unless Swowl does it again.

Why is it a good idea to kill us?

And why does MiX want to find the trigger that lets hosts kill humans?

MiX, what did I miss?

We were exploring the possibility that all scum were hosts. Thus, hosts couldn't kill humans, and that would explain the no NKs. But that alone seems too weak for scum, so they probably have a way to start killing humans. And with Awaclus' claim, we know something can happen that affects hosts. So, maybe that thing would make them kill humans.

[Swowl]

@ Joth - vig shot is use it or lose it.

@ WCD - just to be clear, my perma dead ability can only be used on a DEAD host. So, not like a vig shot.

You could vig any living host and then use your perma dead ability.

So it kinda is a vig shot, now that you have an actual vig shot.

right fair enough. I was just specifying based on the language she used in her response to me. just to be clear.

Yeah, I definitely thought it was make and keep someone dead who had been dead. 

So, you essentially have the same thing that yams did to ADK?

correct.
must be used during the day.
must target dead host.

[Swowl]

the problem with the trigger concept is that I feel like the general wagons and choices and talk up until today have not been very centered around "caring" who was host vs human.
Like... we had day 1 lynch with no info on host or human.
Then day 2 WCD was shot after being claimed host.
Then we lynch ADK who I wanna say was also a claimed host.
Then we have no kill.
Then we lynch Awaclus, who was also... a claimed host.

I mean I guess we could just have town af heavy wagons on skum hosts... but the point is - if skum can't NK Humans, I feel like more of the thread would be directed in a sense of them attempting to figure out who the Humans are so they can go for those mis-lynches.

[faust]

the problem with the trigger concept is that I feel like the general wagons and choices and talk up until today have not been very centered around "caring" who was host vs human.
Like... we had day 1 lynch with no info on host or human.
Then day 2 WCD was shot after being claimed host.
Then we lynch ADK who I wanna say was also a claimed host.
Then we have no kill.
Then we lynch Awaclus, who was also... a claimed host.

I mean I guess we could just have town af heavy wagons on skum hosts... but the point is - if skum can't NK Humans, I feel like more of the thread would be directed in a sense of them attempting to figure out who the Humans are so they can go for those mis-lynches.

I dunno, I feel like multiple people have said we should exile a human today, that seems fairly directed to me.

[MiX]

Shouldn't we exile mail-mi? Or are we just going to forget the only information we have this game? Tha mail-mi/joth conflict's great...right?

We can also exile Swan and shoot mail-mi for them flips, but that can get ugly fast.

[mail-mi]

Shouldn't we exile mail-mi? Or are we just going to forget the only information we have this game? Tha mail-mi/joth conflict's great...right?

We can also exile Swan and shoot mail-mi for them flips, but that can get ugly fast.

I mean, you could. But you'd be wasting your exile.

unfortunately, we're wasting exiles on hosts too. I'm suspicious of the Swowl/joth combo.

Vote: Swowl

[jotheonah]

I think Swowl shooting mail-mi is not the worst idea. mail-mi flipping scum is maybe the only way town will ever start townreading me again.

[scolapasta]

I think Swowl shooting mail-mi is not the worst idea. mail-mi flipping scum is maybe the only way town will ever start townreading me again.

And when mail-mi flips town?

[Archetype]

Vote Count 4.2

Swowl (2): faust, mail-mi
faust (1): jotheonah
mail-mi (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time

[jotheonah]

I think Swowl shooting mail-mi is not the worst idea. mail-mi flipping scum is maybe the only way town will ever start townreading me again.

And when mail-mi flips town?

if that happens, I'm no worse off than I am now.

Vote: mail-mi

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

[mail-mi]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

I can make a host a lightning rod for humans, I can roleblock their actions for the night, and I can doctor them. Those are the ones I haven't used

[scolapasta]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

I can make a host a lightning rod for humans, I can roleblock their actions for the night, and I can doctor them. Those are the ones I haven't used

What's your name?

[mail-mi]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

I can make a host a lightning rod for humans, I can roleblock their actions for the night, and I can doctor them. Those are the ones I haven't used

What's your name?

Robert Ford.

[Swowl]

I think Swowl shooting mail-mi is not the worst idea. mail-mi flipping scum is maybe the only way town will ever start townreading me again.

And when mail-mi flips town?

if that happens, I'm no worse off than I am now.

Vote: mail-mi

false. If I shoot MM or they flip by any means and they flip green.... you are way worse off then you are now.

[Swowl]

Shouldn't we exile mail-mi? Or are we just going to forget the only information we have this game? Tha mail-mi/joth conflict's great...right?

We can also exile Swan and shoot mail-mi for them flips, but that can get ugly fast.

wrong order. I have the shot.

[Swowl]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

[scolapasta]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

[scolapasta]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

And how does it help town, in practical terms?

[Swowl]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

the 100% certainty that we need to have all the information available out in the open out weighs the off chance scenario you have presented.

Also, I did not ask for a host/human claim. I asked for a full claim. So I will meet you in the middle.

Let's call it "all information you have barring if you are host/human".

[Swowl]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

And how does it help town, in practical terms?

I get you probably don't get this because you hold your results a lot as town...not sure what you would do as skum..  but information in this game is assuredly key.

[Swowl]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

I can make a host a lightning rod for humans, I can roleblock their actions for the night, and I can doctor them. Those are the ones I haven't used

if you can make a host a lightning rod for humans and you have been hard SRing Joth all game, why have you not used that on Joth?

[scolapasta]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

the 100% certainty that we need to have all the information available out in the open out weighs the off chance scenario you have presented.

Also, I did not ask for a host/human claim. I asked for a full claim. So I will meet you in the middle.

Let's call it "all information you have barring if you are host/human".

I just don't see how knowing human vs host helps town at the moment. Even without this scenario being true, I think it is more likely to help scum.

That said, I'm not sure what else you would want me to claim - I believe I've claimed everything else.

[Swowl]

Also I have been politely hinting or asking or whatever.

But MiX/Scola need to full claim. like rn.

Like, why?

If theirs any possibility that scum hosts can't NK humans, why would you provide that info?

the 100% certainty that we need to have all the information available out in the open out weighs the off chance scenario you have presented.

Also, I did not ask for a host/human claim. I asked for a full claim. So I will meet you in the middle.

Let's call it "all information you have barring if you are host/human".

I just don't see how knowing human vs host helps town at the moment. Even without this scenario being true, I think it is more likely to help scum.

That said, I'm not sure what else you would want me to claim - I believe I've claimed everything else.

well lets be clear. You should be sure you have claimed everything else. But it also was not just directed at you.

[faust]

I think Swowl shooting mail-mi is not the worst idea. mail-mi flipping scum is maybe the only way town will ever start townreading me again.

And when mail-mi flips town?

if that happens, I'm no worse off than I am now.

Vote: mail-mi

Oh look, joth is concerned about noone expect joth.

[faust]

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

[mail-mi]

Yams, what are the powers you have left?

I can make a host a lightning rod for humans, I can roleblock their actions for the night, and I can doctor them. Those are the ones I haven't used

if you can make a host a lightning rod for humans and you have been hard SRing Joth all game, why have you not used that on Joth?

Because I've found that other abilities would be more helpful. I could use it today, though. Perhaps.

[MiX]

Shouldn't we exile mail-mi? Or are we just going to forget the only information we have this game? Tha mail-mi/joth conflict's great...right?

We can also exile Swan and shoot mail-mi for them flips, but that can get ugly fast.

wrong order. I have the shot.

Of course a day shot comes before exiles...

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

That's what Swowl has, sure.

[WestCoastDidds]

I feel stuck and don't know what to do. :/

[jotheonah]

Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time[/b]

I should mention that Swowl has to use his vig shot before the last 48 hours of the day. So that would mean tomorrow at 3:09 is his last shot. We have about 24 hours to decide what he should do with it.

[Swowl]

correct. Thought that was stated already mb.

[Swowl]

hey also... can't believe I didn't think of this before... but my vig shot comes with the explicit statement of "if it works I will be saved from any and all NK actions that night". So skum not having an NK to point at humans probably ain't super likely.

[Swowl]

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

also doesn't your one off ability make it so if you are killed by a human the night kill becomes ninja? would kind of dictate that there is skum!humans yeah?

[faust]

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

also doesn't your one off ability make it so if you are killed by a human the night kill becomes ninja? would kind of dictate that there is skum!humans yeah?

That's true, I forgot about that. Unless it's a red herring.

[faust]

But I thought the general idea was scum can only killl hosts until unspecified event X happens and then they can kill everyone. That would still work with the item.

[scolapasta]

Also, and maybe I missed this, did joth have to give to a human? Could he have given it to a host?

There very well could be human scum, it was just a hypothesis.

So was scum hosts can't NK kill humans, which could still be true even if there are human scum. (maybe scum doesn't want their human to be tracked or seen by a watcher?)

[jotheonah]

Vote: faust

I hate it when I accidentally contradict my fakeclaim.

[MiX]

Vote: faust

I hate it when I accidentally contradict my fakeclaim.

Hmm, what?

[Swowl]

Swowl - Subset Tracker, 2 targets per night; One shot (day only) perma shut down a dead host; given day vig D4

N1 - Analysis mode with Joth; revived Joth....Track: [MiX], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight}, Track: [Joth], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight, MiX} ----NOs for both.
N2 - Track: [Awaclus], Valid Targets: {LaLight, MailMi,}, Track: [Faust], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, LL, MailMi} --- NOs on both sets.
N3 - Track: [Mail-Mi], Valid Targets: {Faust, MiX, LaLight, ScolaPasta, Swowl, Joth}... Track: [Joth], Valid Targets: {Swowl, LaLight, Mail-Mi} - YES's on both sets.



MiX - Host only Day Vig that somehow is effected by an unknown passive; Steal Yes/No answer that, when it works, runs out of shots?

N1 - Targets faust. Get's no result, assuming bc faust does not get yes not results N1.
D2 - Vigs WCD
N2 - Targets Scola... gets a YES ***** could you please break that one down... what was the yes on? I thought scola just got number of people visiting each night?*****
N3 - Took no actions.



faust - Subset Roleblocker; one-shot find out if target attempted to target any of their subset.

N1 - Blocked pasta. Works on subset [MiX, LL, Didds]. Or at least of the claim of scolapasta being blocked.
N2 - Targets Awaclus. Unknown I suppose. Subset was [MiX/LaLight/joth/mail-mi/faust]
N3 - Targets MiX to subset faust, LaLight, scolapasta, mail-mi, Awaclus. Also uses one-shot to confirm that MiX did not target anyone from that set of players. Also, revived Didds and attempted to revive ADK, both via analysis.



scolapasta - Watcher that learns the amount of people that targeted them that night. Gets to guess at 2 names and told if they were one's that targeted them.

N1 - Blocked by faust. (target I can't remember)
N2 - Targets faust; result is 4. Guesses WCD, MM; result no for both
N3- Targeted LL; Result 1... himself.



Didds - Targets 2 players, deflects from 1 to the other. Is host with maintenance.

N1 - Deflects actions from ADK to Joth.
N2 - deflects faust to Awaclus
D3- shot by MiX.
N3 - Targets faust for analysis; is revived. ***what was your reverie claim?****



Joth - During the Day, can kill all revived Hosts. Can redirect all actions from a player to himself, and if he dies, gets a list of people who ended up targeting him. Is host with maintenance.

N1 - Targets WCD. Is killed.
N2 - Enters Analysis with Swowl; Is revived start Day 3.
N3 - Gives day vig shot to Swowl; Targets MailMi with defend - nothing happens.



Mail-Mi - Can open 2 chats per day, at which time they can give certain abilities to that player? The list is I believe Doctor, Lightning Rod, Perma Dead Host, and Bring Town host back to life. They also get a QT with a host when they die. They can ask MOD one question about the dead host ability to get a yes/no.

N1 - nothing?
D2 - Targets wCD and Joth. Uses revive Town Host on Joth.
N2 - Talks to ADK?
D3 - Targets ADK and MiX. Perma death on ADK.
N4 - nothing



LaLight - Has a list of abilities they are working their way down to learn who has them? They get to target 2 people per night and learn if they were targeted by the ability that they seek. Then they get to guess a name for the ability and are told yes or no? *********is that correct? I am still confused by your ability a little I think****
Also, can re-direct Host exiles to the target they are on at EOD. - can you still do this??*****

*** can you just fill yours out please? It will be more accurate that way, and less confusing for everyone.***



K. That is what I have in summary of abilities and uses of shit. I am sure there is some missing crap, so everyone read yours and we can edit in a sec.

[MiX]

MiX - Host only Day Vig that somehow is effected by an unknown passive; Steal Yes/No answer that, when it works, runs out of shots?

N2 - Targets Scola... gets a YES ***** could you please break that one down... what was the yes on? I thought scola just got number of people visiting each night?*****

scolapasta - Watcher that learns the amount of people that targeted them that night. Gets to guess at 2 names and told if they were one's that targeted them.

N2 - Targets faust; result is 4. Guesses WCD, MM; result no for both

I stole one of scola's "Yes" results on this, which means Didds (or mail-mi I guess) targeted faust.

[WestCoastDidds]

The reverie is that when I am revived, I find out who has targeted me while I was alive. (Would be useful if I hadn’t been whacked in the daytime). Result was Joth, MiX, and yams

[Swowl]

My primary issues right now still are with ....

1. Joth v MailMi
a) Joth was not brought back via MM claim - either day block or one of them is lying. 
b) Joth only got Swowl and WCD on the target list... since I did not kill Joth, it either means that ADK was the attempted target (so town) and that shot was RD'd from aDK to Joth (so WCD probably also... town), and Swowl is Town... so Just would be Skum there I feel like.... or alternatively, WCD is skum and they just shot Joth.
--- So the issue with the Joth MailMi thing is that the more I think about it the more likely it is that Joth is potentially skum... However the issue is that with the players that are tied into the triangle of fucking ridiculousness here... The only way we can get a clear on anyone is to know the alignment of Joth (can't), WCD (can't), ADK (can't), and/or Mail Mi (can... but idk how I feel about that option).---


2. Pasta v WCD/MiX
The discrepancy between N2 results of WCD and Pasta. WCD deflected from faust to Awaclus (IDC what anyone says, every game I have ever played would dictate that that means WCD TARGETED both faust and awaclus). However, Pasta tracked faust (ending up on Awaclus), and then guessed MM and WCD and got no's for both of them. Is that right? And then there is the MiX getting the Yes thing. Just a shit ton of confusion there - no clue what to make of it, but there is skum there somewhere.
--- Again, the issue here is that Didds flip does not happen and we do not know if Pasta or MiX will flip. Now that being said... it probably is NOT Didds and MiX bc of the day vig --- PPE - MiX explanation... need to think about that.


3. faust - I am suspicious to the extent that 2/3 people he targeted have claimed to take no actions and the person he targeted on Day 1 is still alive and no flip... so again just a lack of confirmation. Flip green would mean like essentially nothing. Flip red is huge FOS on WCD and small on on Pasta.

4. LaLight - Ability is just skummy af. its a hunter essentially. I need to put in some time looking at the connections their claims would have to people because running out of time and I am just so confused by their role in general.



Anyone wanna attempt to throw out some clarification or new ideas for that shit, please go for it.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 4.3

Swowl (2): faust, mail-mi
faust (1): jotheonah
mail-mi (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl, WestCoastDidds

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time (~69 hours)

[mail-mi]

@Swowl I also have a roleblock option. I don't open a QT with them, they get sent a message (presumably in their own QT or over the forum).

Also, on your Pasta vs. WCD, I can conceive of a universe where WCD's power only "counts" as targeting faust. Less likely that it counts as only targeting awaclus, though.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’ll ask arch about the targeting results. You all would know better than me since you actually mod stuff. It feels like when I’m redirecting that the target is the one who is the redirected to, but what makes sense to me often makes no sense.

I know that is a minor point, but I’ll try to clear it up

[jotheonah]

Vote: faust

I hate it when I accidentally contradict my fakeclaim.

Hmm, what?

This:

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

also doesn't your one off ability make it so if you are killed by a human the night kill becomes ninja? would kind of dictate that there is skum!humans yeah?

That's true, I forgot about that. Unless it's a red herring.

Town faust doesn't forget parts of his own ability that contradict his theories. Scum!faust who has to keep track of his fakeclaim and his real role? Yeah.

I will add that the last time I got caught as scum it was because I forgot something I'd claimed and contradicted it.

[MiX]

Was it his theory that all scum are hosts?

[Swowl]

@Swowl I also have a roleblock option. I don't open a QT with them, they get sent a message (presumably in their own QT or over the forum).

ok sorry I think I have missed something then. When is it that you can activate the 1 shot powers? Is that if you successfully message a host during the day? or is that a separate thing at night?

[Swowl]

Vote: faust

I hate it when I accidentally contradict my fakeclaim.

Hmm, what?

This:

And on the "all scum are hosts" theory - within the flavor, human parkgoers also get weapons that cannot hurt other humans, so I don't think scum being unable to kill humans would necessarily mean  that they are all hosts.

also doesn't your one off ability make it so if you are killed by a human the night kill becomes ninja? would kind of dictate that there is skum!humans yeah?

That's true, I forgot about that. Unless it's a red herring.

Town faust doesn't forget parts of his own ability that contradict his theories. Scum!faust who has to keep track of his fakeclaim and his real role? Yeah.

I will add that the last time I got caught as scum it was because I forgot something I'd claimed and contradicted it.

I mean this was obviously what I was trying to bring up when I asked faust... but if it is a fake claim then it is just so overly specific. and then bc so specific... you really think he forgets about it?

[scolapasta]

I’ll ask arch about the targeting results. You all would know better than me since you actually mod stuff. It feels like when I’m redirecting that the target is the one who is the redirected to, but what makes sense to me often makes no sense.

I know that is a minor point, but I’ll try to clear it up

I specifically asked about this when we were sorting it out. I was told I'd get a yes for Didds in this situation. (this was before I learned the MiX stole by answer)

[WestCoastDidds]

I target both the people involved in the redirect.

So, N1 I targeted ADK and Joth
N2, faust and Awaclus
D3, faust (for maintenance)

[WestCoastDidds]

I’ll ask arch about the targeting results. You all would know better than me since you actually mod stuff. It feels like when I’m redirecting that the target is the one who is the redirected to, but what makes sense to me often makes no sense.

I know that is a minor point, but I’ll try to clear it up

I specifically asked about this when we were sorting it out. I was told I'd get a yes for Didds in this situation. (this was before I learned the MiX stole by answer)

Cool. Cool cool cool.

[Swowl]

wait so to be clear... the assumption is that WCD did in fact come back as a YES... just that MiX got said YES instead of scola right?

[WestCoastDidds]

wait so to be clear... the assumption is that WCD did in fact come back as a YES... just that MiX got said YES instead of scola right?

Correct

[mail-mi]

@Swowl I also have a roleblock option. I don't open a QT with them, they get sent a message (presumably in their own QT or over the forum).

ok sorry I think I have missed something then. When is it that you can activate the 1 shot powers? Is that if you successfully message a host during the day? or is that a separate thing at night?

It is when I successfully message a host during the day.

[Swowl]

K. Completely open. This is where I am at.

1. I think it would be most valuable for me to shoot a human. I think that it would be increasingly valuable if I shoot a human, and if they are town (assuming the shot works) we then lynch another human.
I know I played into it, but it was just for kicks and reads... I think there is a 0% chance that skum is all host. If anything maybe they have a edit on their maintenance that says they cannot be brought back by their own faction. But all host, given what we "know" no way. I don't have a better explanation, or better reasoning, but I think that there is at least one skum Human. Because of that, I want to start taking out humans. The downsides are noted, so save it, I get how it sounds, it is just what I think is best.

2. Second choice is to shoot mix or scola. huge gap on that though.

3. Third would be to not shoot at all.

4. Fourth favorite is to shoot a host. This would play into the "skum being able to do things based on x" idea. As Joth has been alive and still no death, not a huge fan of that. and with the new WCD info as says the MOD, not a huge fan of that either.

Right now it is LaLight. 10 hours to change my mind if you care.

[Swowl]

@Swowl I also have a roleblock option. I don't open a QT with them, they get sent a message (presumably in their own QT or over the forum).

ok sorry I think I have missed something then. When is it that you can activate the 1 shot powers? Is that if you successfully message a host during the day? or is that a separate thing at night?

It is when I successfully message a host during the day.

so what can you do at night?

[faust]

Right now it is LaLight. 10 hours to change my mind if you care.

LaLight is literally the towniest player alive.

[faust]

Do you think they have that role as scum? Do you think they make it up? What's even going on in your head?

[faust]

And nice to make a whole show of "who do you want me to shoot" only to go for someone that literally noone proposed.

[LaLight]

LaLight - Has a list of abilities they are working their way down to learn who has them? They get to target 2 people per night and learn if they were targeted by the ability that they seek. Then they get to guess a name for the ability and are told yes or no? *********is that correct? I am still confused by your ability a little I think****
Also, can re-direct Host exiles to the target they are on at EOD. - can you still do this??*****

*** can you just fill yours out please? It will be more accurate that way, and less confusing for everyone.***

I don't have the list of abilities, not their names or effects, I need to find them. Also at night I target people and see if people with ability I seek targeted them.

[faust]

My primary issues right now still are with ....

1. Joth v MailMi
a) Joth was not brought back via MM claim - either day block or one of them is lying. 
b) Joth only got Swowl and WCD on the target list... since I did not kill Joth, it either means that ADK was the attempted target (so town) and that shot was RD'd from aDK to Joth (so WCD probably also... town), and Swowl is Town... so Just would be Skum there I feel like.... or alternatively, WCD is skum and they just shot Joth.

The redirection theory doesn't work here as the redirected folks would also have shown up on joth's list. It has to be one of Didds/you who did the killing (spoiler: it's you!)

3. faust - I am suspicious to the extent that 2/3 people he targeted have claimed to take no actions and the person he targeted on Day 1 is still alive and no flip... so again just a lack of confirmation. Flip green would mean like essentially nothing. Flip red is huge FOS on WCD and small on on Pasta.

How would confirmation even help you... clearly Roleblocker is a power that scum can just have. Also I claimed both my blocks of the people who did not action before they claimed to have done so, so unless your theory is that I am in cahoots with all of scola/Awaclus/MiX, I don't see how that's not confirmation.

4. LaLight - Ability is just skummy af. its a hunter essentially. I need to put in some time looking at the connections their claims would have to people because running out of time and I am just so confused by their role in general.

What does this even mean? Why is it scummy?

[faust]

@LaLight: Could you vote for Swowl? I think it is best if we can exile him before he gets a chance to use his shot.

[faust]

We have a window of time where Swowl is unavailable right now, and we should absolutely quixile.

[LaLight]

Vote: Swowl, sure. He doesn't make any sense

[LaLight]

I mean, @Swowl, I am sorry, but the fact you don't understand my ability doesn't make me scum

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: Swowl

[WestCoastDidds]

X-1, I think

[WestCoastDidds]

I feel like the sharing of his thoughts is pretty towny, but either he killed Joth or it was a ninja because I for sure didn’t.

[MiX]

I mean, @Swowl, I am sorry, but the fact you don't understand my ability doesn't make me scum

Does it make him scum?

I feel like the sharing of his thoughts is pretty towny, but either he killed Joth or it was a ninja because I for sure didn’t.

I guess? I'd still rather have him dayvig mail-mi first.

[faust]

I feel like the sharing of his thoughts is pretty towny, but either he killed Joth or it was a ninja because I for sure didn’t.

I guess? I'd still rather have him dayvig mail-mi first.

He won't though, if he knows that he's going down, he'll try to do as much damage as he can.

[faust]

And as much as things are weird I don't think mail-mi would play the way that he did as scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

I mean, @Swowl, I am sorry, but the fact you don't understand my ability doesn't make me scum

Does it make him scum?

I feel like the sharing of his thoughts is pretty towny, but either he killed Joth or it was a ninja because I for sure didn’t.

I guess? I'd still rather have him dayvig mail-mi first.

But he’s gonna shoot lalighty

[LaLight]

I mean, @Swowl, I am sorry, but the fact you don't understand my ability doesn't make me scum

Does it make him scum?

I feel like the sharing of his thoughts is pretty towny, but either he killed Joth or it was a ninja because I for sure didn’t.

I guess? I'd still rather have him dayvig mail-mi first.

But he’s gonna shoot lalighty

for no reason whatsoever

[WestCoastDidds]

Just for reference:

Vote Count 4.WCD

Swowl (4): faust, mail-mi, LL, WCD
faust (1): jotheonah


Not Voting (3): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time

[jotheonah]

I mean,  I think he could probably be persuaded to shoot mail-mi if he comes on and realizes that he'll be exiled if he shoots LaLight.

[jotheonah]

We can still control the shot. But faust doesn't want to do that. He wants to take out the shooter and eliminate the shot. Wonder why.

[faust]

We can still control the shot. But faust doesn't want to do that. He wants to take out the shooter and eliminate the shot. Wonder why.

I can tell you why. Because I don't want scum to go about killing people.

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth, what do you think the chances are that you were killed by a ninja shot? I’m trying to suss out the likelihood of swan being scum and that’s my glitch.

There is so much tracking that it doesn’t seem super unlikely, but then why have all that tracking, redirecting, and result stealing?

On face, MiX’s abilities seem the scummiest to me, but I’m not sure if that matters at all

[jotheonah]

I guess I would think that this much tracking flying around makes it more likely that there is a ninja ability in the setup. So it's not totally crazy. Especially if there was no downside to it for scum.

[faust]

If Swowl comes back and shoots me, just remember to exile him afterwards. Thanks.

[faust]

And then joth after that, the scummiest scumster who ever scummed.

[jotheonah]

And then joth after that, the scummiest scumster who ever scummed.

I know you are, but what am I?

[MiX]

And then joth after that, the scummiest scumster who ever scummed.

I know you are, but what am I?

Why aren't you voting him then?

One-liners are fun, but back them up with a vote if you're being serious.

[MiX]

Vote Count 4.WCD

Swowl (4): faust, mail-mi, LL, WCD
faust (1): jotheonah


Not Voting (3): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time

Sigh...withdrawn...

Vote: Swowl, this game isn't being solved by us doing nothing.

Why the hell did you give Swowl the shot, joth? Did you not foresee this event?

[LaLight]

Vote Count 4.WCD

Swowl (4): faust, mail-mi, LL, WCD
faust (1): jotheonah


Not Voting (3): MiX, scolapasta, Swowl

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 lasts until August 8th, 3:10 pm Forum Time

Sigh...withdrawn...

Vote: Swowl, this game isn't being solved by us doing nothing.

Why the hell did you give Swowl the shot, joth? Did you not foresee this event?

probably because they're partners

[jotheonah]

What was I supposed to foresee? faust bullying the town into quixiling Swowl before he could shoot scum

[jotheonah]

?

[jotheonah]

faust is scum. he had a plan of some kind. the dayvig threatened that plan so he powerwolfed to get rid of it. re-read the day and you'll see.

[scolapasta]

Huh, I feel I missed a bunch by not being a morning person.

So Swowl is exiled, yes?

Just in case:

Vote: Swowl

[MiX]

What was I supposed to foresee? faust bullying the town into quixiling Swowl before he could shoot scum

?

Yes.

[jotheonah]

I honestly didn't foresee him announcing the shot to the whole town, much less the chain of events that followed. I think maybe we've all learned a lesson today about how not to use a dayvig.

[WestCoastDidds]

Huh, I feel I missed a bunch by not being a morning person.

So Swowl is exiled, yes?

Just in case:

Vote: Swowl

Ha! I am totally a morning person although my mornings are getting later now that I don’t have to drive to work. I can sometimes make myself sleep,as late as 6:30!

[mail-mi]

So it's swowl/joth then? I guess we'll see when swowl flips, but I'm like 98% sure he'll flip scum.

If he doesn't flip scum, probably faust is scum then. Not LaLight. Maybe one of MiX or Scola too.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX and Scola aren’t getting much scrutiny.

It’s been so long since we’ve had a flip...useful information for sure

[mail-mi]

I am going to try to use an ability on someone before the day ends.

We'll see if it works. I'm not going to share just in case of dayblockers.

[Swowl]

Well i was lying. Never planned on shooting LL - but also didn’t think y’all would actually quick lynch me :/ the flip assuredly would of been valuable.

I tried to shoot still when i woke up a minute ago, but not sure on what the ruling is. I  straight up human town so that is the flip you’ll get from me.

Bummer. Some of the people on my wagon had to be town - shame on those people that was a badddsdd play all.

GL

[LaLight]

Well i was lying. Never planned on shooting LL - but also didn’t think y’all would actually quick lynch me :/ the flip assuredly would of been valuable.

I tried to shoot still when i woke up a minute ago, but not sure on what the ruling is. I  straight up human town so that is the flip you’ll get from me.

Bummer. Some of the people on my wagon had to be town - shame on those people that was a badddsdd play all.

GL

oh well, I am sorry

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 4.FINAL

Swowl (5): faust, mail-mi, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, MiX
faust (1): jotheonah

Not Voting (2): scolapasta, Swowl

With 8 alive it takes 5 to exile.

[Archetype]

The group consensus seemed that Lee Sizemore spent more time at the rooftop bar than he should...

Swowl has been Exiled. They were Lee Sizemore, the Town Human


Night 4 start!

Night action deadline is August 8th at 2:20 am Forum Time. Day 5 will begin August 8th at 2:20 pm Forum Time

[Archetype]

The parkgoers desperately needed some carnage to sustain their appetites. Westworld staff thought it was time for the bandits to make their way into Sweetwater. However, they didn't expect their leader to be a part of the victims...


MiX has been Killed! They were Hector Escaton, the Host.

Day 5 Start!

Vote Count 5.0

Not Voting (6): faust, mail-mi, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, scolapasta

With 6 alive it takes 4 to Exile. Day 5 lasts until August 15th, 3:20 pm Forum Time

Thread Unlocked

[WestCoastDidds]

Le sigh.... sorry, Swowl

[faust]

I'm a bit at a loss now. I guess we need a claiming order or something.

I blocked MiX again, from LaLight, mail-mi, joth, Didds, scolapasta.

I popcorn joth.

[LaLight]

I won't say anything until my guess proves true. Which I have 33% of.

[LaLight]

the fact that hosts flip with no alignment makes me very sad.

[jotheonah]

I defended mail-mi again. Nothing else of note happened.

[mail-mi]

I did nothing last night, since no host was exiled.

[WestCoastDidds]

I did nothing last night in hopes of not messing up anyone else

[scolapasta]

Going with my scum hosts can only kill hosts, I watched Didds. I was the only one who targeted her.

[faust]

Vote: jotheonah

[faust]

joth, please enlighten me: What are your townreads? Yesterday you were ready to have mail-mi shot, tonight you have protected him from the same fate. Why?

[LaLight]

booooy do I have news for you!

[LaLight]

vote: mail-mi

[LaLight]

Vote: mail-mi

[LaLight]

his ability that I guessed right is that when he dies hosts would be able to kill humans.

[faust]

Is that a reason to vote for him?

[LaLight]

Is that a reason to vote for him?

I'm sorry? He didn't claim anything of sorts and this is obviously a scum ability

[LaLight]

fwiw, I think you're the other scum, faust

[LaLight]

also also if we lynch mail-mi, he won't be able to shut down hosts for good. So we resurrect MiX and probably Awaclus, where did he go

[faust]

Is that a reason to vote for him?

I'm sorry? He didn't claim anything of sorts and this is obviously a scum ability

I obviously can't speak for mail-mi but it seems wise to keep this hidden as otherwise scum would know who to kill. On the other hand of course... if scum could already kill him, then they already can kill human, I suppose? It's weird.

[faust]

fwiw, I think you're the other scum, faust

You think wrong.

[faust]

also also if we lynch mail-mi, he won't be able to shut down hosts for good. So we resurrect MiX and probably Awaclus, where did he go

I don't think we can resurrect Awaclus. We should revive MiX, that much is true.

I didn't think that mail-mi can shut down another host. He could be lying about it, but that would be fairly easy to catch.

[faust]

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.

[LaLight]

if scum could already kill him, then they already can kill human, I suppose? It's weird.

When did they kill him?

[LaLight]

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.

How do you know he's not the last scum?

[LaLight]

I mean, does it really matter that they would be able to kill humans now? well, they'll kill me. oh wow

[LaLight]

part of mail-mi's claim was that he is able to make it so that hosts can't return even with maintenance. That's a bit scary for town as well. I guess this makes sense from the balance perspective, mail-mi's life makes host's deaths permanent, his death makes human kills possible. This is an amazing game design.

[faust]

BUt even if you think mail-mi is scum, it wouldn't be smart to exile him, right? That would only enable human kills.

How do you know he's not the last scum?

I mean, assuming there's 3 scum total, it's unclear to me who the others would be. ADK explicitly tried to sabotage mail-mi from the grave, and I guess it could be Awaclus, but that would also be weird as his special ting is probably also triggered by mail-mi's death.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, interesting LaLight. Okay....so knowing that, I think we don’t want to give hosts that power by exiling yams now. We need to figure out the other one. Scola or faust. More likely faust.

Joth, what do you think?

[scolapasta]

Ha! I was right! (at least on one count)

Now, on the other count (all scum are hosts), if mail-mi were scum, why wouldn't he use the NK in order to kill a human?

Lots to think about here. I'm off to play tennis.

[LaLight]

Ha! I was right! (at least on one count)

Now, on the other count (all scum are hosts), if mail-mi were scum, why wouldn't he use the NK in order to kill a human?

Lots to think about here. I'm off to play tennis.

i think mail-mi can't use the nk.

[LaLight]

instead he has that ability to shut down hosts for good

[LaLight]

faust, remind me your flavor namre?

[WestCoastDidds]

part of mail-mi's claim was that he is able to make it so that hosts can't return even with maintenance. That's a bit scary for town as well. I guess this makes sense from the balance perspective, mail-mi's life makes host's deaths permanent, his death makes human kills possible. This is an amazing game design.

Totally amazing!

He said he used the permadead on ADK, so I don’t think he has that ability any longer.

[WestCoastDidds]

Unless he is lying, but then why not make Joth and I permadead, too?

[jotheonah]

Vote: faust

I’m going to do a reread and a mega post, but his behavior today and yesterday had been highly anti town. He orchestrated the Swan exile without even really making a case that he thought Swowl was scum. He just didn’t want a town vig to use his power and maybe kill him or his partner. A faust/mail-mi team makes a lot of sense to me.

Why did I protect mail-mi? His powers seemed useful to have around. I didn’t remember that he could only do the permadeath thing once and I have been thinking of that as an ability that scum is probably very afraid of, rather than one they have access to: if scum is mostly hosts, Mail-mi’s power is the only thing keeping them from being invincible. So that’s why I’ve been protecting him. The reason I suggested shooting him yesterday is because it seemed like the best bad option for Swowl’s shot, which I absolutely think he should have used.

[jotheonah]

Idk if I buy this game design though. Let’s suppose scum is two hosts and a human. The human can’t nightkill and the hosts can’t nightkill humans until Mail-mi dies. That means of the two hosts die first, scum is basically out of the game. Mail-mi has no way to win on his own. And as long as mail-mi is alive, if scum have killed all the hosts, they’ve basically lost their nightkill. Seems like a really raw deal for scum no matter how they play.

Now if mail-mi is town, scum has one towny who they have to kill by vig shot or mixile, but once they do that they unlock the ability to function as a normal scum team. That seems more likely to me. BUT I kind of need mail-mi to be scum at this point or I can’t explain his “result” on me.

So I can’t really figure out this game. But I do know that faust is playing a dangerous, scummy, anti town game and brazenly led yesterday’s terrible exile so I’m super happy with my vote there.

[mail-mi]

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.

[faust]

faust, remind me your flavor namre?

Theresea Cullen

[faust]

joth you still haven't answered my question. Who do you townread?

[faust]

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.

If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.

[faust]

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.

If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.

*they, sorry.

[scolapasta]

I'm going to be lazy and wait for a vote count, but I'm leaning towards a joth vote.

It seems to be mail-mi should be town. scum mail-mil with no NK doesn't make as much sense to me.

faust, lalight could incriminate mail-mi with some other power, but then mail-mi would deny. It seems as if you do better in this game being truthful.

I'm not sure on lalight, then, I think as town lalight I might not reveal mail-mi's power, at least not so quickly.

But I'm willing to give then some benefit of the doubt still. As I'm holding on to my hypothesis that scum are all hosts.

What was ADK's power again? Was he the one who could determine human vs host? That seems to be a scummy power in this game.

[scolapasta]

The other thing one of us should do (I'll try to find time, but like I said, lazy), is figure out which unknown human where alive the two nights there were no NKs. Since it's safe to assume the attempted targets were human.

[mail-mi]

Vote: LaLight

Yes, I have this ability. Yes, I did not claim it because in what world is that a good idea to claim? And why does lalight want to kill me? In the world where I'm scum, you would want to kill all the other scum first. So lalight wants to kill me because he is scum.

If LaLight wanted to exile you so badly he could have made up an ability that's far more incriminating.

True, but I agree with scola. Its better to be truthful this game.

[jotheonah]

joth you still haven't answered my question. Who do you townread?

scola I suppose. That’s about it. I was townreading MiX and Swowl...

[LaLight]

Now, I have thought about it and yeah, Unvote. I am sorry, mail-mi, I guess you were right about not claiming the ability. But it all made so much sense when I thought about it earlier.

Let's say the scumteam is all hosts. This leaves 3 hosts in a game right now. Out of them I think Vote: jotheonah

Also, who resurrected joth?

[WestCoastDidds]

Swowl rezzed Joth

[Archetype]

Vote Count 5.1

jotheonah (2): faust, LaLight
faust (1): jotheonah
LaLight (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta

With 6 alive it takes 4 to Exile. Day 5 lasts until August 15th, 3:20 pm Forum Time

[faust]

Given the apparent limitations on the scum kill, we should assume that there are 3 scum. The game is still going, so it seems likely that one of those scum is dead. (Though the game could be going for other reasons, i.e. maintenance plus abilities that block/redirect kills.)

The dead hosts are ADK, Awaclus, MiX.

It seems unlikely that scum would kill scum!MiX if they otherwise they would have a blocking majority for the exile. So if MiX was scum (and thus this kill a ploy for us the resurrect and townread MiX) then I think that means that another scum is already dead.

Which leaves ADK and Awaclus. But Awaclus had, by LaLight's admission, an ability that directly ties into the town wincon (i.e. he would not count as a host towards the town wincon) - which doesn't make a ton of sense if he's scum. The conclusion would be that either Awaclus and LaLight are both scum and LaLight is covering for Awaclus (but that seems a bit strange given that Awaclus seemingly cannot be resurrected), or - most likely - Awaclus is town.

Which in turn leads me to conclude that ADK is scum. And ADK being scum strongly implies that mail-mi is town, since he shut them down for good (as confirmed). And if we work under the assumption that mail-mi is town, then we should also trust his result on joth. Which, in turn, makes joth scum as well.

This all means that scum shot scum N1. Which, considering that there are 2 scum hosts, seems like a decent play for towncred. It also makes Didds look towny, since if scum already planned to shoot their own it doesn't make much sense to also have redirection going on.

Do you see flaws in this logic?

[jotheonah]

Unless the human scum is a traitor. Maybe mail-mi didn’t know ADK was his partner. In that scenario there’s nothing making him town (and this nothing making me scum).

[jotheonah]

b]Unvote[/b]

Faust’s theory at least doesn’t leave room for faust to be scum.

Vote: Mail-mi

We have to hit the human scum to end this game and from my perspective it has to be Mail-mi unless there’s some other reason his weird investigative power thingy failed.

[faust]

Why would scum!ADK try to smear scum!mail-mi by suggesting they got a different answer to the question to the question mail-mi asked?

[faust]

Plus if mail-mi was a Traitor, I strongly doubt he'd just willy-nilly remove someone form the game who might very well be his partner.

[faust]

Sanity check for the case where there's 3 living scum and everyone currently dead is town.

As per the additional info LaLight revealed about mail-mi's role, we would know that there is at least one mafia host. Of course it would be possible that mail-mi/LaLight are both scum and pointlessly making something up. But that doesn't seem very likely.

In this scenario, mail-mi would be scum by ADK's accusation. Which means that joth would likely be town. So the only candidate for a mafia Host would be Didds. Thus we'd have like mail-mi/Didds plus either LaLight or scola.

Voting patterns today make it quite unlikely that it would be LaLight/mail-mi, so that leaves it at mail-mi, Didds, scola.

[mail-mi]

I am following along with faust's logic, and that leads me once again to a Vote: Joth. Let's get the last scum host out of the picture.

[scolapasta]

That's X-1, no? I'm not ready for this day to end so quickly, but still have intent to vote joth.

I do think faust's suggestion (though he discounted it) that Lalight and mail-mi made up this power interesting. (if they had had more NKs that all been hosts, that would be an amazing scum move. But going to NKs without kills to make this happen. Seems probably too risky. But something to noodle on.

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning!

Huh....so, we exile Joth? I kind of feel like there has to be a scum human, no? I don’t think it’s mail-mi, though. Messaging me on the first day asking if I was a host would be super nervy as scum.

I don’t know why it would be LaLight, so that leaves faust or Scola.

Scola is all in on all scum are hosts. If it’s true, and we exile Joth, we win. If it’s not true, and I’m the last town host and get whacked, we’re screwed.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, are you ready for us to test the all-host scum theory? If so, I’ll hammer.

[mail-mi]

I mean, if WCD gets whacked, we can always bring her back to life. We can also bring MiX back to life, I'm pretty sure he's town. As long as we keep 1 town host alive, we can win.

[scolapasta]

Scola, are you ready for us to test the all-host scum theory? If so, I’ll hammer.

I think I'd like to spend a little more time before we end the day. (Monday-Wednesday are my my high meeting days)

[faust]

Well, this does feel an awful lot like the last Day. That's a bit worrisome.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, I think if I get whacked, then we don't get to a point where MiX is rezzed, so there are no human hosts alive. 

Unless Scola is a host. If Scola is a host we have some wiggle room.  If he's not, then we gotta be sure, sure unless there is some protection that I am forgetting (entirely possible) that gets me to tomorrow

[jotheonah]

Hang on.

[jotheonah]

Vote: joth

[scolapasta]

UH - OH.

[scolapasta]

Why would town joth exile themselves???

[scolapasta]

Joth, please explain yourself??

[faust]

Joth, please explain yourself??

He's scum is why.

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 5.FINAL

jotheonah (4): faust, LaLight, mail-mi, joth

Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta

With 6 alive it takes 4 to Exile.

[Archetype]

Delos industries was worried about the impact malfunctioning Hosts would have on their bottom line. With unknown deaths and now an apparent suicide, only time would tell what will happen...


jotheonah has been Exiled. They were Teddy Flood, a Host.

Night 5 start!

Night action submission deadline is August 12th at 1:00 am Forum Time. Day 6 will begin August 12th at 1:00 pm Forum Time. Given the smaller player count, each Living Player may post Short Night in their Personal QT. If every Living Player does, I'll resolve all Night Actions as-submitted and start Day 6 shortly after.

[Archetype]

There were those who thought Westworld should be run differently and those who saw the technology housed within as more powerful than its creators allowed. Who would budge first?

No one was killed

MiX has returned to life!


Day 6 start!

Vote Count 6.0

Not Voting (6): faust, LaLight, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, MiX

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Exile. Day 6 will end August 19th at 3:30 pm Forum Time

Thread Unlocked!

[mail-mi]

Joth decided not to talk with me last night. Makes me think he's more likely to be scum.

[scolapasta]

No one dies and people come back to life? This game is never going to end!

[scolapasta]

No one dies and people come back to life? This game is never going to end!

Also, welcome back MiX.

[MiX]

Hi everyone!

I'm just confused.

Scola, are you human or host? Why shouldn't this be claimed?

I have my shots back: my remaining power is that if both shots are down, they're returned when I'm revived. I didn't claim it since it would imply I'm a host.

What are we doing? Joth will be coming back tomorrow if the scum!human's alive, and surely there's a scum human alive, right? Otherwise we can just win if mail-mi's alive...

What's the plan?

[MiX]

Oh, and LL revived me.

No one dies and people come back to life? This game is never going to end!

Yeah I feel like town paranoia is what kills us? But how?

No one dies and people come back to life? This game is never going to end!

Also, welcome back MiX.

Thank you! I'm glad I'm alive again. I wanted to say ?? ?? a bunch yesterday.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh! We didn’t lose!! I thought for sure our goose was cooked when Joth hammered.

So, why did he hammer? There has to have been an advantage. I’m assuming he thought they could kill me last night. So there has to be scum in yams, Scola, faust. Is that right?

Mix! I missed you! Let’s solve this....

[MiX]

Oh! We didn’t lose!! I thought for sure our goose was cooked when Joth hammered.

So, why did he hammer? There has to have been an advantage. I’m assuming he thought they could kill me last night. So there has to be scum in yams, Scola, faust. Is that right?

Mix! I missed you! Let’s solve this....

I'm confused as to why he didn't use massacre. I presume he wants to revive and kill us all tomorrow. That actually works, so watch out.

We need to find scum human I think. But first we should know if scola's human or host, right? I've been assuming he's human since I'm host, but I don't actually know.

[MiX]

Uh...we need a claim order again, right?

faust
LaLight
scola
mail-mi
Didds

I don't know, this seems fine.

[LaLight]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

[mail-mi]

I'll claim when its my turn but I got an answer to my question.

[WestCoastDidds]

What question, yams?

[mail-mi]

What question, yams?

I asked if joth received the result "Didds, swowl" on N1.

[scolapasta]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

Why?

[MiX]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

Why?

Why not? I've been the second scum NK, and the first was just outed as scum.

[scolapasta]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

Why?

Why not? I've been the second scum NK, and the first was just outed as scum.

How was the first outed?

And who cares if you'd be 2nd? Plus when you were killed joth (I'm assuming that's the first) had been revived.

[scolapasta]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

Why?

Why not? I've been the second scum NK, and the first was just outed as scum.

How was the first outed?

And who cares if you'd be 2nd? Plus when you were killed joth (I'm assuming that's the first) had been revived.

* Who

[MiX]

as usual, I will be here after my guess. Also yeah, I revived MiX.

Why?

Why not? I've been the second scum NK, and the first was just outed as scum.

How was the first outed?

And who cares if you'd be 2nd? Plus when you were killed joth (I'm assuming that's the first) had been revived.

Joth, uh, hammered himself, in case you didn't notice? For no reason? And said nothing else? He's not town.

So either scum is incapable of killing town, or they're only shot scum, or I'm town. Besides, why not undo what scum does?

[scolapasta]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

[MiX]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

[WestCoastDidds]

What question, yams?

I asked if joth received the result "Didds, swowl" on N1.

Oh! Good question!

Can we know the answer?

[MiX]

What question, yams?

I asked if joth received the result "Didds, swowl" on N1.

Oh! Good question!

Can we know the answer?

I don't understand. Don't you already know the answer, given swowl was town and joth was scum?

[WestCoastDidds]

We don’t know if that was really what Joth found out. If there is a third name, it’s scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

Because I targeted him and Swowl targeted him...but someone shot him

[MiX]

We don’t know if that was really what Joth found out. If there is a third name, it’s scum.

But mail-mi won't learn a third name. They'll just learn "no".

[WestCoastDidds]

Well that’s not nearly as good.

[scolapasta]

Didds, can you remind me what you did N1 to joth (in that you targeted him?)

[scolapasta]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

[MiX]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

[scolapasta]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

But you don't think human scum can kill humans?

[LaLight]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

the fourth ability I guessed was right, and this is MiX's ability, which is called as Roland from Stephen King's Black Tower: he can kill a host every day before the last 48 hours of the day, and if a person dies, the ability is disabled. The text of the ability also tells that when something happens he will be able to kill humans. Doesn't tell which something.

[LaLight]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

I presume there's a scum human alive and no I have no idea.

But you don't think human scum can kill humans?

This would be too easy. Either there is no scum humans or they can't kill. Maybe if they are alone on the team, they can, or something like that.

[LaLight]

I have no idea. I think if all scums are hosts, it's Didds.

[faust]

Uh...we need a claim order again, right?

faust
LaLight
scola
mail-mi
Didds

I don't know, this seems fine.

Mhf, don't start the claiming with the person who just went to bed!

Anyways, I blocked scolapasta last Night, from Didds, mail-mi, faust, joth.

[faust]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

The obvious reason would be he hoped that MiX hadn't yet selected a target for maintenance.

[faust]

Also Vote: scolapasta is where I'm at. Largely PoE.

[LaLight]

what's scola's flavor name?

[MiX]

How useful is it worth to speculate joth's self hammer? There has to be a reason, of course.

The obvious reason would be he hoped that MiX hadn't yet selected a target for maintenance.

Lol?

Also Vote: scolapasta is where I'm at. Largely PoE.

Did scola claim human/host yet?

what's scola's flavor name?

Oh god I was almost going to flavor claim when I realized my flip did that.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

[WestCoastDidds]

I have spent some time wondering about the self hammer.

Joth could have killed me (and himself) with this wipeout power. He knows I’m a town host but he must not have been sure about Scola. Otherwise, wipeout and scum wins, right?

[MiX]

I have spent some time wondering about the self hammer.

Joth could have killed me (and himself) with this wipeout power. He knows I’m a town host but he must not have been sure about Scola. Otherwise, wipeout and scum wins, right?

I presume he intends to massacre us when he's revived by his human partner. That's what makes the most sense right now.

[WestCoastDidds]

So, we need to win before that happens. He’d be rezzed at the beginning of tomorrow.

Your shot only works on hosts? So, we could use that on Scola if we think he’s a host? Or if he won’t say?

But would Joth self hammer to leave one last host who he thought could NK me and then they win? It would be pretty gutsy to put all his eggs in that basket. Perhaps more likely that there is one human left so that he could potentially come back. And then it’s probably one of Scola, faust, or yams?

[LaLight]

why would scola not claim??

[MiX]

why would scola not claim??

So he didn't claim yesterday either, right? I wasn't paying close attention to D5.

So, we need to win before that happens. He’d be rezzed at the beginning of tomorrow.

Your shot only works on hosts? So, we could use that on Scola if we think he’s a host? Or if he won’t say?

But would Joth self hammer to leave one last host who he thought could NK me and then they win? It would be pretty gutsy to put all his eggs in that basket. Perhaps more likely that there is one human left so that he could potentially come back. And then it’s probably one of Scola, faust, or yams?

It's probably scola or faust, yes. Mail-mi quite literally had a scum result on joth from D2, I think he's town.

[faust]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

[MiX]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

What? Why?

[faust]

Scola, on N1 I redirected actions that targeted ADK to Joth.

We know Joth is scum, and while he could have been the target himself it seems more likely that whomever targeted ADK killed Joth instead.

No, like, they were both scum.

What? Why?

I made a whole big post and everything.

Given the apparent limitations on the scum kill, we should assume that there are 3 scum. The game is still going, so it seems likely that one of those scum is dead. (Though the game could be going for other reasons, i.e. maintenance plus abilities that block/redirect kills.)

The dead hosts are ADK, Awaclus, MiX.

It seems unlikely that scum would kill scum!MiX if they otherwise they would have a blocking majority for the exile. So if MiX was scum (and thus this kill a ploy for us the resurrect and townread MiX) then I think that means that another scum is already dead.

Which leaves ADK and Awaclus. But Awaclus had, by LaLight's admission, an ability that directly ties into the town wincon (i.e. he would not count as a host towards the town wincon) - which doesn't make a ton of sense if he's scum. The conclusion would be that either Awaclus and LaLight are both scum and LaLight is covering for Awaclus (but that seems a bit strange given that Awaclus seemingly cannot be resurrected), or - most likely - Awaclus is town.

Which in turn leads me to conclude that ADK is scum. And ADK being scum strongly implies that mail-mi is town, since he shut them down for good (as confirmed). And if we work under the assumption that mail-mi is town, then we should also trust his result on joth. Which, in turn, makes joth scum as well.

This all means that scum shot scum N1. Which, considering that there are 2 scum hosts, seems like a decent play for towncred. It also makes Didds look towny, since if scum already planned to shoot their own it doesn't make much sense to also have redirection going on.

Do you see flaws in this logic?

[MiX]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

[faust]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?

[MiX]

I should've written down answers to your big posts while I was dead, actually. I just didn't think I could solve this game better than everyone else. I'm honestly kinda lost.

Is the play to reread joth and see who's partners with him?

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?

Like he could have an ability that when LL checks it looks townie. Because LL exists, everything needs to be worded somewhat townie.

[faust]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?

Like he could have an ability that when LL checks it looks townie. Because LL exists, everything needs to be worded somewhat townie.

It seems nonsensical to have a scum host with a role that says "you don't count for town's win condition". I don't think abilities would include such pointless fluff just for the sake of LaLight's role.

[MiX]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?

Like he could have an ability that when LL checks it looks townie. Because LL exists, everything needs to be worded somewhat townie.

It seems nonsensical to have a scum host with a role that says "you don't count for town's win condition". I don't think abilities would include such pointless fluff just for the sake of LaLight's role.

It's definitely possible if the setup wasn't hand picked. Given how this game's going, this doesn't seem like a typical role distribution either.

[faust]

There is also the fact that ADK claimed to me to have received an answer that conflicts with what mail-mi said. If we think mail-mi is town, it should follow that ADK is scum.

Also noone has so far claimed to have talked to ADK tonight. If they were town, they would have tried to talk to a townie.

[faust]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

[MiX]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

If ADK is scum, why did scum target scum? If they just shot joth...why even do that?

We're like missing all the pieces. Why does LaLight not have a single incriminating result?

[faust]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

If ADK is scum, why did scum target scum? If they just shot joth...why even do that?

For towncred. Isn't it obvious? Kill scum, have them resurrected, be townread for eternity.

[MiX]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

If ADK is scum, why did scum target scum? If they just shot joth...why even do that?

For towncred. Isn't it obvious? Kill scum, have them resurrected, be townread for eternity.

And hammer yourself?

[faust]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

If ADK is scum, why did scum target scum? If they just shot joth...why even do that?

For towncred. Isn't it obvious? Kill scum, have them resurrected, be townread for eternity.

And hammer yourself?

I mean, clearly those things aren't connected. Scum just didn't anticipate that mail-mi would out joth. And joth was clearly going down, there was no real reason for him not to hammer. Unless I guess to keep some ambiguity about his alignment. But everyone was already scumreading him.

[MiX]

So scum just prays they win during the day? Yeah okay I can see that I guess.

[WestCoastDidds]

Back to the claiming?

LL
Scola
WCD
MM

[LaLight]

I do see a flaw in your logic: given LaLight's role, it's very much possible that scum!Awaclus had something that makes him townie. Isn't that the whole point of LL's thing? Thus he can be scum.

What do you mean, something that makes him townie? Like he could alignment switch?

Like he could have an ability that when LL checks it looks townie. Because LL exists, everything needs to be worded somewhat townie.

It seems nonsensical to have a scum host with a role that says "you don't count for town's win condition". I don't think abilities would include such pointless fluff just for the sake of LaLight's role.

Yes, I am pretty sure Awaclus was town.

[LaLight]

Doesn't matter that much I suppose. Either way 2 scum are already dead. It's fine actually if you think Awaclus was scum since he pushed me all game, so maybe that will make you townread me.

If ADK is scum, why did scum target scum? If they just shot joth...why even do that?

We're like missing all the pieces. Why does LaLight not have a single incriminating result?

Yes, THAT is a problem. I was thinking I am kind of a modified cop, but so far I wasn't very useful at all.

[LaLight]

Back to the claiming?

LL
Scola
WCD
MM

I already did, I claimed I guessed MiX's ability

[LaLight]

fwiw I know that MiX didn't target himself or mail-mi on Night 5.

[mail-mi]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

the fourth ability I guessed was right, and this is MiX's ability, which is called as Roland from Stephen King's Black Tower: he can kill a host every day before the last 48 hours of the day, and if a person dies, the ability is disabled. The text of the ability also tells that when something happens he will be able to kill humans. Doesn't tell which something.

That's my ability. It doesn't just affect scum!hosts, it affects all hosts. Once I die, all hosts can kill humans with killing abilities.

[MiX]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

the fourth ability I guessed was right, and this is MiX's ability, which is called as Roland from Stephen King's Black Tower: he can kill a host every day before the last 48 hours of the day, and if a person dies, the ability is disabled. The text of the ability also tells that when something happens he will be able to kill humans. Doesn't tell which something.

That's my ability. It doesn't just affect scum!hosts, it affects all hosts. Once I die, all hosts can kill humans with killing abilities.

This sounds about right. I also confirm that LL's telling the truth, in case that was necessary, that is my ability.

[LaLight]

I agree I think joth is scum, I just don't consider that as outed.

Once reason for scum to kill you as scum is you get your 1 shot powers back. Especially if scum or scum hosts can't kill humans.

But I still can't kill humans. Mail-mi would need to die for that.

Are you human or host?

the fourth ability I guessed was right, and this is MiX's ability, which is called as Roland from Stephen King's Black Tower: he can kill a host every day before the last 48 hours of the day, and if a person dies, the ability is disabled. The text of the ability also tells that when something happens he will be able to kill humans. Doesn't tell which something.

That's my ability. It doesn't just affect scum!hosts, it affects all hosts. Once I die, all hosts can kill humans with killing abilities.

I know. I just tried to articulate MiX's ability as thorough as possible.

[scolapasta]

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

[LaLight]

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

why specifically me and faust?

[faust]

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

Because you're scum. Who do you suggest I should have blocked instead?

[faust]

LaLight, could you restate everything you've learned so far, and who you have targeted each Night?

[LaLight]

LaLight, could you restate everything you've learned so far, and who you have targeted each Night?

oh goodness, should I?

[LaLight]

tried to find where I did that and then remembered I did that in a QT with MiX. Alright then.

[scolapasta]

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

Because you're scum. Who do you suggest I should have blocked instead?

I'm not. Other than PoE, which doesn't seem as useful this game, why do you think this.

[MiX]

LaLight, could you restate everything you've learned so far, and who you have targeted each Night?

oh goodness, should I?

Well, yes, but I can simplify it based on what you said on our QT.

LL learned that:

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

2. Awaclus registers as a host, even for the town's win condition, until something happens.

3. mail-mi enables hosts killing humans when he dies.

That's the gist of it anyway. I'm sure LL has a bunch of targets and guessed and whatnot.

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

Because you're scum. Who do you suggest I should have blocked instead?

I'm not. Other than PoE, which doesn't seem as useful this game, why do you think this.

What else is useful then?

[LaLight]

Day is guess, night is visiting and seeing if the owner of current ability targeted them.

D1: Guessed WCD (No)
N1: Visited Awaclus and MiX on Night 1(No/No)
D2: Guessed faust (No)
N2: Visited hypercube and jotheonah on Night 1 (No/No)
D3: Guessed joth (Yes, ability is bodyguard and if killed know who targeted them and their target)
N3: Visited faust and Awaclus on Night 2 (Yes/No)
D4: Guessed Awaclus (Yes, considered Human, if secret condition is met, then no more and while host do not meet the town wincon requirement)
N4: Visited: ADK and WCD on Night 3 (No/No)
D5: Guessed mail-mi (Yes, when he dies, hosts can kill humans)
N5: Visited MiX and mail-mi on Night 4 (asked if one played can have more than one ability I am looking for, got a yes for that) (No/No), also rezzed MiX.
D6: Guessed MiX, got his ability to kill hosts.

[LaLight]

MiX, you messed up Awaclus' ability, it's the other way around.

[faust]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

[LaLight]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

I am sorry???

Vote: faust, so it's you! That would explain it!

[faust]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

[LaLight]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

But not for their targets, innit?

[LaLight]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

so why would I lie? For what specific reason? I just made up one ability while making all the other correct? Or did I make them up to and suddenly guessed right with MiX, including the name of the ability?

[faust]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

But not for their targets, innit?

I don't know what you're trying to say.

[faust]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

so why would I lie? For what specific reason? I just made up one ability while making all the other correct? Or did I make them up to and suddenly guessed right with MiX, including the name of the ability?

Cause you didn't want to reveal joth's actual power? And the other guesses were all townies so you didn't mind?

[LaLight]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

so why would I lie? For what specific reason? I just made up one ability while making all the other correct? Or did I make them up to and suddenly guessed right with MiX, including the name of the ability?

Cause you didn't want to reveal joth's actual power? And the other guesses were all townies so you didn't mind?

well, how does it make sense that I targeted him at all then? Wouldn't I try to guess as many townsfolk as I can instead and not target my partners?

[MiX]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

No. I think joth and Didds had different ways of seeing who picked them.

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

That's true, I suppose.

[LaLight]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

But not for their targets, innit?

I don't know what you're trying to say.

joth's power lets him see who targeted him and his target if he is killed.

It makes sense if we have vigs so scum will know who they are. Also makes sense if scum has more and less important players.

[LaLight]

I may have a slight problem with rewording abilities. I asked if I can just copypaste, but I don't expect the positive answer

[MiX]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

But not for their targets, innit?

I don't know what you're trying to say.

joth's power lets him see who targeted him and his target if he is killed.

It makes sense if we have vigs so scum will know who they are. Also makes sense if scum has more and less important players.

But we don't have vigs, so it makes zero sense.

[LaLight]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

Trust me, I have NO idea.

[LaLight]

1. joth is a bodyguard that learns who picked him if his bodyguard works.

Well, see this part is curious, since Didds seemed to imply earlier that there is something called Reveries for all hosts that allows them to see who targeted them. Then this wouldn't be specific to joth. Do you have anything like that, MiX?

Anyways I think Vote: LaLight for now.

But not for their targets, innit?

I don't know what you're trying to say.

joth's power lets him see who targeted him and his target if he is killed.

It makes sense if we have vigs so scum will know who they are. Also makes sense if scum has more and less important players.

But we don't have vigs, so it makes zero sense.

what about you?

[MiX]

I'm a dayvig, you can't bodyguard those!

[LaLight]

ah, you're a dayvig. Well, I don't know. I was truthful the whole game, I guess sometimes things don't make sense. Maybe joth is town and mail-mi is scum after all.

[faust]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

so why would I lie? For what specific reason? I just made up one ability while making all the other correct? Or did I make them up to and suddenly guessed right with MiX, including the name of the ability?

Cause you didn't want to reveal joth's actual power? And the other guesses were all townies so you didn't mind?

well, how does it make sense that I targeted him at all then? Wouldn't I try to guess as many townsfolk as I can instead and not target my partners?

I mean... no? You might still have to guess your scumpartner's power before you can guess town's, I don't see how that's a problem.

[MiX]

ah, you're a dayvig. Well, I don't know. I was truthful the whole game, I guess sometimes things don't make sense. Maybe joth is town and mail-mi is scum after all.

This game is definitely ???????

Why would you even revive me as scum?

[LaLight]

so, let's imagine the following scenario: if you lynch me and know I am town, you will se I told the truth and that makes joth town?

what if Arch put this ability to joth for the sole reason so this is the first ability I should guess to throw us off? What if scum has a way to alter what I see?

[LaLight]

Why would scum!joth even be a Bodyguard to begin with? The whole thing sounds kind of dodgy.

so why would I lie? For what specific reason? I just made up one ability while making all the other correct? Or did I make them up to and suddenly guessed right with MiX, including the name of the ability?

Cause you didn't want to reveal joth's actual power? And the other guesses were all townies so you didn't mind?

well, how does it make sense that I targeted him at all then? Wouldn't I try to guess as many townsfolk as I can instead and not target my partners?

I mean... no? You might still have to guess your scumpartner's power before you can guess town's, I don't see how that's a problem.

of course, but before that I would target each and every townsperson to not waste my guesses and visits if the first power is town's.

[LaLight]

ah, you're a dayvig. Well, I don't know. I was truthful the whole game, I guess sometimes things don't make sense. Maybe joth is town and mail-mi is scum after all.

This game is definitely ?

Why would you even revive me as scum?

you tell me. and faust.

[faust]

ah, you're a dayvig. Well, I don't know. I was truthful the whole game, I guess sometimes things don't make sense. Maybe joth is town and mail-mi is scum after all.

This game is definitely ?

Why would you even revive me as scum?

I mean, theory is that scum is waiting to be able to revive joth so they can massacre. Then it doesn't really make a difference whether to revive you, might as well do it for the towncred.

[LaLight]

my role has no sense whatsoever for scum. Let's lynch faust, please, who just yesterDay said the same words about it. What now, I'm an easy target?

[faust]

my role has no sense whatsoever for scum. Let's lynch faust, please, who just yesterDay said the same words about it. What now, I'm an easy target?

Rolecop makes no sense for scum. Sure.

[LaLight]

like, ok, inagine I am scum. What good my power ever did to the scumteam? Would Arch include such a useless scumrole into the scumteam? I think not. Especially given that I am really lucky to live this long, otherwise I would guess what, a power of my partner, Awaclus's "considered Host" and mail-mi's thing which scum clearly doesn't have anything to deal with?

[LaLight]

my role has no sense whatsoever for scum. Let's lynch faust, please, who just yesterDay said the same words about it. What now, I'm an easy target?

Rolecop makes no sense for scum. Sure.

oooooh if only I was one. So I could target people and see their roles. Would be Wow. Instead I have 2 nights of basically nothing and then the power of my partner, cool, awesome.

No.

[MiX]

I'm just waiting for scola. Where is he, anyway?

like, ok, inagine I am scum. What good my power ever did to the scumteam? Would Arch include such a useless scumrole into the scumteam? I think not. Especially given that I am really lucky to live this long, otherwise I would guess what, a power of my partner, Awaclus's "considered Host" and mail-mi's thing which scum clearly doesn't have anything to deal with?

What use is anyone's power to scum except faust's? What is scum doing this game? They seem underpowered, but town has no power as well, or something.

I'm not even against no exile today. I don't think scum can free win if we don't exile today.

[LaLight]

I'm just waiting for scola. Where is he, anyway?

like, ok, inagine I am scum. What good my power ever did to the scumteam? Would Arch include such a useless scumrole into the scumteam? I think not. Especially given that I am really lucky to live this long, otherwise I would guess what, a power of my partner, Awaclus's "considered Host" and mail-mi's thing which scum clearly doesn't have anything to deal with?

What use is anyone's power to scum except faust's? What is scum doing this game? They seem underpowered, but town has no power as well, or something.

I'm not even against no exile today. I don't think scum can free win if we don't exile today.

or lynch faust and win?

[mail-mi]

I've been thinking--couldn't LaLight be third party who wins if he finds all 7 roles?

Because he's right, his role doesn't make much sense for scum. But it doesn't make much sense for town either.

I can see LaLight being scum and being like a rolecop. And I can also see him being town and having his role be an ability to confirm others' rolepowers. But right now I think the most likely scenario is a third-party.

Vote: LaLight

[mail-mi]

well, Unvote if LaLight is 3rd party, he still has 3 more roles to guess until he wins.

I'm townreading faust, and scola could be a scum!host who targeted didds as one of the last living town hosts to try to kill her. So I'm gonna Vote: scola

[faust]

I've been thinking--couldn't LaLight be third party who wins if he finds all 7 roles?

Because he's right, his role doesn't make much sense for scum. But it doesn't make much sense for town either.

I can see LaLight being scum and being like a rolecop. And I can also see him being town and having his role be an ability to confirm others' rolepowers. But right now I think the most likely scenario is a third-party.

Vote: LaLight

It seems pretty punishing to have a role that cannot win before Day 7.

[MiX]

Don't vote scola. I'll shoot him if I have to.

[LaLight]

I've been thinking--couldn't LaLight be third party who wins if he finds all 7 roles?

Because he's right, his role doesn't make much sense for scum. But it doesn't make much sense for town either.

I can see LaLight being scum and being like a rolecop. And I can also see him being town and having his role be an ability to confirm others' rolepowers. But right now I think the most likely scenario is a third-party.

Vote: LaLight

It seems pretty punishing to have a role that cannot win before Day 7.

ikr. i look like a third-party, i didn't understand why I am town at all. Also my character looks damn like a third party in a series

[mail-mi]

I've been thinking--couldn't LaLight be third party who wins if he finds all 7 roles?

Because he's right, his role doesn't make much sense for scum. But it doesn't make much sense for town either.

I can see LaLight being scum and being like a rolecop. And I can also see him being town and having his role be an ability to confirm others' rolepowers. But right now I think the most likely scenario is a third-party.

Vote: LaLight

It seems pretty punishing to have a role that cannot win before Day 7.

True, but also, we're on D6 and still have, what, 7 people alive? This game is lasting a lot longer because we are getting next-to-no information from kills and half the town can come back to life.

[faust]

Maybe you're a Traitor. Early on I thought a setup with one host traitor and 2 human scum would be neat, but it actually also works the other way around.

[faust]

I've been thinking--couldn't LaLight be third party who wins if he finds all 7 roles?

Because he's right, his role doesn't make much sense for scum. But it doesn't make much sense for town either.

I can see LaLight being scum and being like a rolecop. And I can also see him being town and having his role be an ability to confirm others' rolepowers. But right now I think the most likely scenario is a third-party.

Vote: LaLight

It seems pretty punishing to have a role that cannot win before Day 7.

True, but also, we're on D6 and still have, what, 7 people alive? This game is lasting a lot longer because we are getting next-to-no information from kills and half the town can come back to life.

Maybe, though things could have gone a lot differently if we had exiled you early on.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh....I think LL is looking pretty towny in all of that exchange. 

Were is Scola's promised "more soon"?

MiX, if scola is human, and Joth comes back to wipe you and I out, I don't see how we can no-exile today

[scolapasta]

Do you all (USA located, of course) not work??

My more later will come when I have time to think through my thoughts and type a longer post. While working (at least on days with many meetings), I only have time to read and type these short ones.

[scolapasta]

Spoiler: I'm not convinced it is the right town move to reveal my "humanity". Now if everyone thinks it is, then that would clearly have to include town people, I would reconsider.

But for now, it seems mostly MiX and Didds, and I feel there's scum in at least one of them.

[WestCoastDidds]

I don’t know if you have to reveal it or not. If you’re a town host, keeping me/Mix alive isn’t as key. We are uber vulnerable town Joths massacre, because we only win when there is a town host alive. But his massacre would affect you since you haven’t died before.

[WestCoastDidds]

I work a little, but I’m on sabbatical this semester so it’s all kind of squishy. Yams works but he’s further west so his availability isn’t the same.

faust, Mix, and LL are all in Europe.

But mostly I’m just being impatient!

[MiX]

I don’t know if you have to reveal it or not. If you’re a town host, keeping me/Mix alive isn’t as key. We are uber vulnerable town Joths massacre, because we only win when there is a town host alive. But his massacre would affect you since you haven’t died before.

Also if you don't claim I will shoot you scola, so you'll have to make much better arguments for why scum didn't try to shoot you and failed because you're human, or why you're not the last scum!host.

I work a little, but I’m on sabbatical this semester so it’s all kind of squishy. Yams works but he’s further west so his availability isn’t the same.

faust, Mix, and LL are all in Europe.

But mostly I’m just being impatient!

Who are we waiting for? mail-mi? Scola's fullclaim?

I'd love to know who you redirected as soon as possible but it's probably not mechanically correct...

[WestCoastDidds]

Do we need Scola full post?

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m supposed to go next, I think

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay....

I didn’t redirect anyone last night.

Yams, you’re up.

Scola, we’re still waiting for the “later”

I'll post more later.

But last night: watched Didds thinking if she is town host, they would try to NK her. (specifically lalight and faust). Got blocked, which faust has confirmed.

Why would you block my watching???

[MiX]

Scola, you have one IRL day to claim or give arguments for why scum doesn't know what you are. Then I shoot you.

We can't just wait forever.

Okay....

I didn’t redirect anyone last night.

Redirect someone next night. We have no useful PRs anymore, except faust. You most likely want to redirect to someone that's dead, can you do that?

[faust]

You most likely want to redirect to someone that's dead, can you do that?

Why would that be? Fixing isn't a targeted action, it cannot be blocked or redirected.

[MiX]

You most likely want to redirect to someone that's dead, can you do that?

Why would that be? Fixing isn't a targeted action, it cannot be blocked or redirected.

Did you read that correctly?

[faust]

You most likely want to redirect to someone that's dead, can you do that?

Why would that be? Fixing isn't a targeted action, it cannot be blocked or redirected.

Did you read that correctly?

Ah, sorry, makes more sense now. I thought you were intending to stop the fixing of joth, which would be cool but unfortunately does not work.

[MiX]

You most likely want to redirect to someone that's dead, can you do that?

Why would that be? Fixing isn't a targeted action, it cannot be blocked or redirected.

Did you read that correctly?

Ah, sorry, makes more sense now. I thought you were intending to stop the fixing of joth, which would be cool but unfortunately does not work.

Yeah, I wish. I think day roleblockers can do that, however.

[scolapasta]

Scola, we’re still waiting for the “later”

Yeah, after posting my "spoiler" I realized that was the gist of what I wanted to say.

At least 1 of MiX and Didds is scum. I think maybe both.

I am not yet convinced there are scum humans. Though I still don't see how joth expects to get rezzed then. Maybe a host dying twice is some kind of trigger for something to happen? I don't know.

MiX seems to really want to know if I am human/host and is threatening to vig me if I don't reveal.  This seems very boldly scummy to me.

I honestly think it is better for town right now that I don't reveal. (except for MiX's threat, which actually increases my belief)

I want to hear from the three known humans if they think I should reveal. As there is at least 1 town in them (if not all 3), that will help me understand if other town think there's a reason for me to reveal.

[faust]

At least 1 of MiX and Didds is scum. I think maybe both.

Do you think there is any dead scum besides joth?

[WestCoastDidds]

Redirecting is tricky. I don’t want you (Mix) not to get rezzed, and I didn’t want to mess with what yams or faust might be doing to protect me. My biggest concern was getting whacked last night.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

The only way it could possibly be true that BOTH of us are scum is if you are a town host. Otherwise it’s game over.

[scolapasta]

At least 1 of MiX and Didds is scum. I think maybe both.

Do you think there is any dead scum besides joth?

ADK? I see it plausible that there could be 4 scum, especially since scum host seem unable to kill humans, so you'd have to buff them somehow.

[MiX]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

[scolapasta]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

[MiX]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

If we are scum, we shot you last night, ergo we know you're human.

Why are you not claiming?

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

I don’t want Mix to shoot you just to find out if you are a host

[faust]

At least 1 of MiX and Didds is scum. I think maybe both.

Do you think there is any dead scum besides joth?

ADK? I see it plausible that there could be 4 scum, especially since scum host seem unable to kill humans, so you'd have to buff them somehow.

No way are there 4 scum.

[faust]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

You can only reasonably hold this belief if you are a host, so I guess this is a claim?

[faust]

I'm also interested in your humanity by the way.

[WestCoastDidds]

He has to be a host, none of his assumptions make sense otherwise.

[scolapasta]

I'm also interested in your humanity by the way.

OK, let's hear from the other humans too.

[scolapasta]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

You can only reasonably hold this belief if you are a host, so I guess this is a claim?

Why? It may not be both MiX and Didds - or maybe it's not ADK.

But why not 4 scum hosts?

[scolapasta]

He has to be a host, none of his assumptions make sense otherwise.

I'll post the question to you too, why not?

[LaLight]

I'm also interested in your humanity by the way.

OK, let's hear from the other humans too.

Yes, you should claim. Also MiX can not possible be scum, who would kill him?

[WestCoastDidds]

I don’t see how Scola being stubborn about this is pro-town.  MiX will have to shoot him to know if he’s telling the truth, leaving Scola vulnerable to the massacre if Scola gets revived

He’s been pushing all scum are hosts for awhile, which makes sense if he is a town host. If he’s scum, he could be host or human. If he’s human he’s not afraid of the shot.

PPE: if your argument is that MiX and I are both scum, you have to be a town host otherwise the game would have ended as no town hosts would be alive

[LaLight]

And also, scum dayvig is super OP

[faust]

Scola, why do you think either Mix or I are scum?

I'm pretty sure I've answered. I'm going on the hypothesis that all scum are hosts. So a) there need to be some more and b) you both seem keenly interested in learning my "humanity".

You can only reasonably hold this belief if you are a host, so I guess this is a claim?

Why? It may not be both MiX and Didds - or maybe it's not ADK.

But why not 4 scum hosts?

There needs to be at least 1 town host still around, otherwise town's win condition is not reachable.

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, let’s figure this out....

Scum Scola says that all scum are hosts. What would be the play? Exile one of us so there is time to rezz Joth and massacre?

[faust]

I'm also interested in your humanity by the way.

OK, let's hear from the other humans too.

Yes, you should claim. Also MiX can not possible be scum, who would kill him?

joth. I mean, that's clearly not impossible. It is virtually certain that scum shot scum at some point in this game.

[WestCoastDidds]

Is Scola not realizing that 4 scum hosts idea outs him some kind of scumslip?

[mail-mi]

I think, at this point, it's best to have all information out in the open. So I vote for scola revealing.

Also, if he's host, I think he's most likely scum

[scolapasta]

Game would NOT end just because all town hosts are dead, since they can be rezzed.

i.e. game state is 3 alive town humans. Game does not end, they rez a host, if town, game ends, town wins, if scu, game not over. (but humans don't know if they rezzed a scum host or if actually one of them is actually scum).

Either way, everyone has opined for me to reveal. I'm still not convinced that is is the best move, but I'm ok with trusting there's something I'm not realizing. Also I do see some merit.

[scolapasta]

I am Delores Abernathy, town host. For those who watched the show, I feel this should have been fairly obvious, or at least likely, as she is the only major character not yet accounted for.

I breadcrumbed this in my very first post, too: "Welcome to Westworld" is how I greeted you all.

So, scum did not target me last night. I was surprised by this.

Also, I do not have reveries. So that is not something all hosts have.

I do have maintenance, which I did not claim earlier for obvious reasons.

[MiX]

Any last words before I shoot you?

Can you fullclaim again? I forgot what you are. My notes are very outdated and badly taken.

[scolapasta]

Why would you shoot me? I guess it's not the end of the world, if someone resurrects me. (since game will not be over). But it does make me vulnerable to joth's power.

What case do you have against me, other than my holding out my being a host. Which I think was effective to do.

What benefit does scum host get from not revealing as host?

[scolapasta]

Any last words before I shoot you?

Can you fullclaim again? I forgot what you are. My notes are very outdated and badly taken.

I'm a modified watcher. I watch, get told a #, and can also ask specifically about 2 people if they were part of that number.

[MiX]

Why would you shoot me? I guess it's not the end of the world, if someone resurrects me. (since game will not be over). But it does make me vulnerable to joth's power.

What case do you have against me, other than my holding out my being a host. Which I think was effective to do.

What benefit does scum host get from not revealing as host?

I won't shoot you.

Rest of town, including scola: why should we exile? I see no reason for it as of right now. We'll know if there's a scum human when joth is revived, and that happening seems better than not.

We're also not in XiLo, so it seems safe to me. As long as scola lives, scum can't endgame us.

[MiX]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

[MiX]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

[scolapasta]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

Shooting mail-mi allows hosts to kill humans!

[MiX]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

Shooting mail-mi allows hosts to kill humans!

He's a human, I'm a host. He can't die.

[scolapasta]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

Shooting mail-mi allows hosts to kill humans!

How is either actually confirmed? Why wouldn't a scum human (if they exist) not rezz a town host for this exact type of town cred?

[scolapasta]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

Shooting mail-mi allows hosts to kill humans!

He's a human, I'm a host. He can't die.

Oh right. Then why not save it? You don't have to shoot someone today, do you?

[scolapasta]

Re: exile, what about no exile?

[scolapasta]

I will instead shoot a human. Who is least likely to be human of the human claims?

(Sorry for all the posting)

faust is confirmed human by Didds. LL is confirmed human by me. Maintenance for the win.

So I'll shoot mail-mi. Wish me luck!

Shooting mail-mi allows hosts to kill humans!

He's a human, I'm a host. He can't die.

Oh right. Then why not save it? You don't have to shoot someone today, do you?

ALSO, what if my other idea, than a host dying twice is another trigger for scum to be able to kill human? What if you are scum and acting like oh I'll shoot mail-mi, he won't die. Then he dies, and you hide behind, "I didn't realize that could happen!

I mean, there is no reason to shoot a human at all.

[MiX]

Re: exile, what about no exile?

That's what I'm thinking about.

Oh right. Then why not save it? You don't have to shoot someone today, do you?

It's fine, testing mail-mi's humaness is good here.

ALSO, what if my other idea, than a host dying twice is another trigger for scum to be able to kill human? What if you are scum and acting like oh I'll shoot mail-mi, he won't die. Then he dies, and you hide behind, "I didn't realize that could happen!

I mean, there is no reason to shoot a human at all.

Er...then we'll know! And then we can't no exile, and will be down between a 1v1 between faust and LL.

[mail-mi]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

[scolapasta]

MiX how did you get your powers back, any way?

[MiX]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

There's no reason to kill scola. We can just wait a day if he's scum.

MiX how did you get your powers back, any way?

They come back when I'm revived.

[MiX]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

You are town, correct? So if humans never die, we'll know there's scum between faust and LL. Shooting you means we know for certain that hosts can't kill humans. Thus, a human is flipped, one of the other 2 must be scum.

Also I'm hungry for some action.

[MiX]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

You are town, correct? So if humans everdie, we'll know there's scum between faust and LL. Shooting you means we know for certain that hosts can't kill humans. Thus, a human is flipped, one of the other 2 must be scum.

Also I'm hungry for some action.

EBWOP.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams needs to claim still, yeah?

[scolapasta]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

While I don't love this, except for the don't make me vulnerable (which is good, but not major), I can't hate this logic. Honestly, I expected either Didds or I would would be the target (we probably all did). So I don't know what happened.

MiX, if you do decide to shoot me, please wait until I can suggest something - and if for some reason I don't before DL, then that's fine too.

I still would rather not be shot, but it's definitely better than shooting mai-mi.

[scolapasta]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

There's no reason to kill scola. We can just wait a day if he's scum.

MiX how did you get your powers back, any way?

They come back when I'm revived.

So, I still think MiX is scum. What if he only gets his powers back when rezzed if there's no NK? Then there'd be reason to not target me.

I know this feels like grasping at straws, but I don't understand why scum would not target either me or Didds.

[scolapasta]

If I need to be shot to prove I'm not scum, so be it. I get the logic. I think maybe it's better to save this 1-shot and just no exile.

then if joth does get rezzed by a sum human, you can shoot him tomorrow.

[MiX]

Yams needs to claim still, yeah?

Yeah.

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

While I don't love this, except for the don't make me vulnerable (which is good, but not major), I can't hate this logic. Honestly, I expected either Didds or I would would be the target (we probably all did). So I don't know what happened.

MiX, if you do decide to shoot me, please wait until I can suggest something - and if for some reason I don't before DL, then that's fine too.

I still would rather not be shot, but it's definitely better than shooting mai-mi.

I'm not shooting you. Too dangerous. We would just no exile anyway and then be endgamed once joth arrives. We just need to solve the faust/LL conflict that will eventually arise, and correctly find and exile faust scum.

If I need to be shot to prove I'm not scum, so be it. I get the logic. I think maybe it's better to save this 1-shot and just no exile.

then if joth does get rezzed by a sum human, you can shoot him tomorrow.

It doesn't really prove anything. It proves you're scum if you are, but that's a big gambit. Besides, I think you're town.

[scolapasta]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

You are town, correct? So if humans never die, we'll know there's scum between faust and LL. Shooting you means we know for certain that hosts can't kill humans. Thus, a human is flipped, one of the other 2 must be scum.

Also I'm hungry for some action.

How is this not scummy?

[MiX]

MiX, you should still shoot scola.

There should have been a NK last night. Scum knew everyone who is a host/human (except scola at that point), and yet there was none. We don't have an explanation for that other than scola being blocked, don't we?

You are town, correct? So if humans never die, we'll know there's scum between faust and LL. Shooting you means we know for certain that hosts can't kill humans. Thus, a human is flipped, one of the other 2 must be scum.

Also I'm hungry for some action.

How is this not scummy?

Because there's a scum human, and I'm calling for the exile of scum humans somewhere down the line.

Look I don't know, I'm making calls given what I've seen, I believe there must be a scum human, and we need to narrow them down.

[scolapasta]

But if there were a scum human, why would we have had 3 nights with no NK?

I can't believe the scenario is scum can't kill humans, generally.

[MiX]

But if there were a scum human, why would we have had 3 nights with no NK?

I can't believe the scenario is scum can't kill humans, generally.

I think scum's making us think that there's no scum human, for some reason. I'm not really sure what's happening, really.

The theory that scum's all hosts doesn't make sense either, right?

[scolapasta]

Does anyone have the bandwidth to go back to the the nights with no NKs and figure out which people where known as humans? i.e. scum would not have targeted them or targeted scum. So we might be able to narrow down who was actually targeted and that would be good town cred.

[scolapasta]

But if there were a scum human, why would we have had 3 nights with no NK?

I can't believe the scenario is scum can't kill humans, generally.

I think scum's making us think that there's no scum human, for some reason. I'm not really sure what's happening, really.

The theory that scum's all hosts doesn't make sense either, right?

I mean, I m the one who keeps pushing that hypothesis - not sure if anyone believes it besides me.

[MiX]

Does anyone have the bandwidth to go back to the the nights with no NKs and figure out which people where known as humans? i.e. scum would not have targeted them or targeted scum. So we might be able to narrow down who was actually targeted and that would be good town cred.

There were 3 nights (one of which I was NKd) where only we were unknown. I thought they shot you first, and then me, but now that theory doesn't hold anymore.

[faust]

I don't understand what we gain from no exile.

[MiX]

I don't understand what we gain from no exile.

LaLight information. If scum wants to stall, let them, we're still gaining info. And maybe a human flips eventually, although I have no idea what scum's plan is.

[faust]

I don't understand what we gain from no exile.

LaLight information. If scum wants to stall, let them, we're still gaining info. And maybe a human flips eventually, although I have no idea what scum's plan is.

LaLight is scum though. We don't know what's up up the kills, it's still possible that scum has something up their sleeve, like an Arsonist or some such. If all we have is LaLight I don't think that's worth waiting for; it doesn't seem like anyone alive lied about their abilities.

[scolapasta]

It helps us confirm if there's a human scum no? If joth gets rezzed?

[MiX]

It helps us confirm if there's a human scum no? If joth gets rezzed?

Exactly, yeah. Also that.

I don't understand what we gain from no exile.

LaLight information. If scum wants to stall, let them, we're still gaining info. And maybe a human flips eventually, although I have no idea what scum's plan is.

LaLight is scum though. We don't know what's up up the kills, it's still possible that scum has something up their sleeve, like an Arsonist or some such. If all we have is LaLight I don't think that's worth waiting for; it doesn't seem like anyone alive lied about their abilities.

If LL's scum, vote for them. I think the game culminates into faust/LL conflict, but I see no reason in doing this now.

[faust]

It helps us confirm if there's a human scum no? If joth gets rezzed?

I mean if scum think that it will not be in their advantage to reveal whether there is a human scum, then obviously they won't resurrect joth.

[faust]

I mean that argument is just silly. If scum resurrects joth, then only because it's better for scum to have joth alive than it is for us to know that there is a human scum.

[mail-mi]

Okay so I asked Arch if Joth targeted Didds and received the result Swowl, Didds on N1. I got the answer yes.

So, that means Swowl and Didds were the only people to target joth/didds on N1. Which means Didds is likely joth's partner, since who else could have killed him N1?

vote: Didds

[mail-mi]

Vote: Didds

[mail-mi]

I think that was the argument for exiling Didds a while ago, right?

I don't have the energy to reread to figure it out, honestly. This game is kinda wearing on me because it's D6, we still have 6 people alive, and we only have info from 2 flips. I don't like not knowing where we stand with the host!scum.

[mail-mi]

I think that was the argument for exiling Didds a while ago, right?

I don't have the energy to reread to figure it out, honestly. This game is kinda wearing on me because it's D6, we still have 6 people alive, and we only have info from 2 flips. I don't like not knowing where we stand with the host!scum.

Not exiling, sorry, for MiX shooting her.

[MiX]

I think that was the argument for exiling Didds a while ago, right?

I don't have the energy to reread to figure it out, honestly. This game is kinda wearing on me because it's D6, we still have 6 people alive, and we only have info from 2 flips. I don't like not knowing where we stand with the host!scum.

Not exiling, sorry, for MiX shooting her.

Weren't both of them dead at some point? There has to be scum outside joth/Didds or we would've won already.

Or did I kill Didds when joth was revived? I forgot.

[mail-mi]

I think that was the argument for exiling Didds a while ago, right?

I don't have the energy to reread to figure it out, honestly. This game is kinda wearing on me because it's D6, we still have 6 people alive, and we only have info from 2 flips. I don't like not knowing where we stand with the host!scum.

Not exiling, sorry, for MiX shooting her.

Weren't both of them dead at some point? There has to be scum outside joth/Didds or we would've won already.

Or did I kill Didds when joth was revived? I forgot.

Well, if there's a scum human in faust/LL, then we wouldn't have won already.

[MiX]

I think that was the argument for exiling Didds a while ago, right?

I don't have the energy to reread to figure it out, honestly. This game is kinda wearing on me because it's D6, we still have 6 people alive, and we only have info from 2 flips. I don't like not knowing where we stand with the host!scum.

Not exiling, sorry, for MiX shooting her.

Weren't both of them dead at some point? There has to be scum outside joth/Didds or we would've won already.

Or did I kill Didds when joth was revived? I forgot.

Well, if there's a scum human in faust/LL, then we wouldn't have won already.

Then exile them first.

[WestCoastDidds]

So, I 100% know that I didn’t kill Joth (other than redirecting the shot from ADK)

So, either scum is undetectable or yams is lying.

This, coupled with the conflicting claim about Joth, plus permadeading ADK unilaterally, is all adding up to something less than awesome.

[mail-mi]

So, I 100% know that I didn’t kill Joth (other than redirecting the shot from ADK)

So, either scum is undetectable or yams is lying.

This, coupled with the conflicting claim about Joth, plus permadeading ADK unilaterally, is all adding up to something less than awesome.

I mean, I figure scum probably has some kind of ninja, considering all the tracking/watching abilities flying around right now. What did you do N1, again?

Also, all I did was confirm joth's result. Also also, I don't have a conflicting claim with joth, he is not Town and my ability did not rez him because he is not town.

[WestCoastDidds]

You killed me D3, I think, because I had two nights of redirection.

Joth was killed N1, and rezzed D3

[MiX]

So, I 100% know that I didn’t kill Joth (other than redirecting the shot from ADK)

So, either scum is undetectable or yams is lying.

This, coupled with the conflicting claim about Joth, plus permadeading ADK unilaterally, is all adding up to something less than awesome.

But joth isn't town, so isn't that townie?

You killed me D3, I think, because I had two nights of redirection.

Joth was killed N1, and rezzed D3

Ah, dang.

[mail-mi]

Does someone have a document or something compiled of all night actions? We've had so many nights this game, I feel like we may be able to solve something by putting all the night/day actions together.

[MiX]

Does someone have a document or something compiled of all night actions? We've had so many nights this game, I feel like we may be able to solve something by putting all the night/day actions together.

I'm sure faust has something. We have basically zero assumptions on what scum's capable of, so for all we know they're strongman/ninja/godfather with a bunch of townie PRs attached to it.

[WestCoastDidds]

So, I 100% know that I didn’t kill Joth (other than redirecting the shot from ADK)

So, either scum is undetectable or yams is lying.

This, coupled with the conflicting claim about Joth, plus permadeading ADK unilaterally, is all adding up to something less than awesome.

I mean, I figure scum probably has some kind of ninja, considering all the tracking/watching abilities flying around right now. What did you do N1, again?

Also, all I did was confirm joth's result. Also also, I don't have a conflicting claim with joth, he is not Town and my ability did not rez him because he is not town.

N1, I redirected those targeting ADK to Joth. Joth died
N2, I redirected those targeting Faust to Awaclus

Someone killed Joth. It wasn’t me. I thought that perhaps you protected me last night. You’ve known I was a host from the first day, by saying you can help hosts. I’m still trying to figure out how sharing my status helped us at all.

[mail-mi]

I mean, I can put down a list of everything I've done, if it helps people.

D1: Messaged Didds, did not use any powers.
N1: nothing

D2: Messaged joth with rez power, also messaged Didds.
N2: Had a QT with ADK, learned that ADK is not a tracker.

D3: Messaged ADK with permadead power, sent message to MiX for ability confirmation.
N3: Had a QT with Awaclus, wasn't able to ask a question due to vacation.

D4: Tried to message joth and roleblock him that night, but failed because we were in twilight.
N4: nothing

D5: Didn't do anything.
N5: Had a QT with joth (he never spoke to me), asked about targetting didds and receiving "didds, swowl" and got yes.

[mail-mi]

So, I 100% know that I didn’t kill Joth (other than redirecting the shot from ADK)

So, either scum is undetectable or yams is lying.

This, coupled with the conflicting claim about Joth, plus permadeading ADK unilaterally, is all adding up to something less than awesome.

I mean, I figure scum probably has some kind of ninja, considering all the tracking/watching abilities flying around right now. What did you do N1, again?

Also, all I did was confirm joth's result. Also also, I don't have a conflicting claim with joth, he is not Town and my ability did not rez him because he is not town.

N1, I redirected those targeting ADK to Joth. Joth died
N2, I redirected those targeting Faust to Awaclus

Someone killed Joth. It wasn’t me. I thought that perhaps you protected me last night. You’ve known I was a host from the first day, by saying you can help hosts. I’m still trying to figure out how sharing my status helped us at all.

Ah, okay. So you probably didn't kill joth. Maybe someone was trying to kill ADK? Lol you probably redirected from one scum to the other. Unvote. Thanks for the clarification.

I didn't because I have to activate my powers during the day, and I didn't have a chance to do that yesterday.

[WestCoastDidds]

If hosts can’t kill humans, then we need to exile a human.

Exiling MM makes Mix able to kill humans. So, the choice is probably faust or LL.

[MiX]

If hosts can’t kill humans, then we need to exile a human.

Exiling MM makes Mix able to kill humans. So, the choice is probably faust or LL.

It wouldn't be the worst idea to kill mail-mi and let me shoot one of them and exile the other, sadly joth makes that impossible, as he would endgame us before we could exile the other if I made a mistake.

[mail-mi]

If hosts can’t kill humans, then we need to exile a human.

Exiling MM makes Mix able to kill humans. So, the choice is probably faust or LL.

It wouldn't be the worst idea to kill mail-mi and let me shoot one of them and exile the other, sadly joth makes that impossible, as he would endgame us before we could exile the other if I made a mistake.

Uh, no that would be a horrible idea, we don't want to get rid of all the humans. Especially if one of you/didds/scola is scum, which is pretty likely.

[scolapasta]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

[WestCoastDidds]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

[MiX]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

How has faust's roleblocking been helping us?

[mail-mi]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

LL has an investigative ability that can help us as well.

Just spitballing here, but we can prove if there is a human scum if we exile all hosts except one, then keep only 1 host alive as we cycle through those that are alive right now, can't we? I mean, it would be tedious and take a long time, but it would prove that to us.

[mail-mi]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

LL has an investigative ability that can help us as well.

Just spitballing here, but we can prove if there is a human scum if we exile all hosts except one, then keep only 1 host alive as we cycle through those that are alive right now, can't we? I mean, it would be tedious and take a long time, but it would prove that to us.

What I mean to say is, let's exile say scola today. Then tomorrow, we exile say MiX. If the game isn't over, we exile Didds and then bring one of MiX/scola back to life. If that doesn't end the game, we exile a human. The chances of Didds + Mix/Scola being the scumteam are so low that that basically proves if there is indeed a human scum.

[MiX]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

LL has an investigative ability that can help us as well.

Just spitballing here, but we can prove if there is a human scum if we exile all hosts except one, then keep only 1 host alive as we cycle through those that are alive right now, can't we? I mean, it would be tedious and take a long time, but it would prove that to us.

What I mean to say is, let's exile say scola today. Then tomorrow, we exile say MiX. If the game isn't over, we exile Didds and then bring one of MiX/scola back to life. If that doesn't end the game, we exile a human. The chances of Didds + Mix/Scola being the scumteam are so low that that basically proves if there is indeed a human scum.

You can't exile town today or scum endgames us by the way. Unless it's me/Didds.

[mail-mi]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

LL has an investigative ability that can help us as well.

Just spitballing here, but we can prove if there is a human scum if we exile all hosts except one, then keep only 1 host alive as we cycle through those that are alive right now, can't we? I mean, it would be tedious and take a long time, but it would prove that to us.

What I mean to say is, let's exile say scola today. Then tomorrow, we exile say MiX. If the game isn't over, we exile Didds and then bring one of MiX/scola back to life. If that doesn't end the game, we exile a human. The chances of Didds + Mix/Scola being the scumteam are so low that that basically proves if there is indeed a human scum.

You can't exile town today or scum endgames us by the way. Unless it's me/Didds.

hm you're right I forgot that the scum!human could bring joth back. Forget about that plan, then.

[LaLight]

I'm also interested in your humanity by the way.

OK, let's hear from the other humans too.

Yes, you should claim. Also MiX can not possible be scum, who would kill him?

joth. I mean, that's clearly not impossible. It is virtually certain that scum shot scum at some point in this game.

but then MiX is succeptible to Massacre and that's a problem

[LaLight]

at this point we should exile faust and win. other than sudden "LaLight is scum", he's throwing shade towards MiX. and, that's a more minor point, roleblocking is usually a scum power, no?

[scolapasta]

If mail mi scum and has that ability (for hosts to kill humans) I'd think scum would've engineered his exile earlier, before we discovered this.

That's a good point. 

I think I prefer LL to faust, if only because faust's roleblocking seems to be helping us. But I can be convinced.

LL has an investigative ability that can help us as well.

Just spitballing here, but we can prove if there is a human scum if we exile all hosts except one, then keep only 1 host alive as we cycle through those that are alive right now, can't we? I mean, it would be tedious and take a long time, but it would prove that to us.

What I mean to say is, let's exile say scola today. Then tomorrow, we exile say MiX. If the game isn't over, we exile Didds and then bring one of MiX/scola back to life. If that doesn't end the game, we exile a human. The chances of Didds + Mix/Scola being the scumteam are so low that that basically proves if there is indeed a human scum.

You can't exile town today or scum endgames us by the way. Unless it's me/Didds.

How do we get endgamed exactly?

[MiX]

How do we get endgamed exactly?

We don't. I cracked it. We win this game.

But we need to be sure mail-mi is town. Are we?

If we do know he's town, we can exile both faust and LL, and win.

[MiX]

I'm intentionally hiding why. I think scum made a mistake, and we can capitalize on it.

If we misexile today, joth is back tomorrow and I'm dead, we can still exile the other human. If joth isn't alive, then we can wait for me to get back so we can use the dayvig.

Otherwise, I'll say exactly what needs to happen in-game tomorrow.

But like, it's just faust, right?

Vote: faust

[WestCoastDidds]

You’re sure, MiX?

[MiX]

You’re sure, MiX?

As sure as I can be. But mail-mi has to be town, or the plan doesn't work. Obviously, any extra killing power from scum would ruin it, but it would also ruin no exile, so...

[MiX]

Also, the next day needs to start when I'm awake, so I guess I should be hammering.

Unvote

We can do either faust or LL. We can also do mail-mi if we think he's scum, but we need to decide on that now. The plan tries to guarantee both faust and LL die, but not much else.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams, Scola....what do you think?

[scolapasta]

Yams, Scola....what do you think?

I continue to think MiX is scum. Possibly MiX and you.

Vote: MiX

[MiX]

Yams, Scola....what do you think?

I continue to think MiX is scum. Possibly MiX and you.

Vote: MiX

Then scum can't kill humans and we win trivially.

[MiX]

Yams, Scola....what do you think?

I continue to think MiX is scum. Possibly MiX and you.

Vote: MiX

Then scum can't kill humans and we win trivially.

Also don't kill me when I'm trying to win the game plzkthx.

You can say we're scum over and over but it doesn't logically make sense that there's no scum humans knowing mail-mi's ability.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola,

Can you entertain the idea there is a scum human? If there is, who it it?

The long and the short of it is that we can keep killing the hosts, but we’re not moving the needle with that strategy.

[MiX]

Heck, we don't even need to believe mail-mi's town because we have a redirector.

Yeah we can just win if we exile faust. It's not 100%, but it's pretty hard for scum to find what they have to do to win, assuming they have no extra powers that break this.

Honestly, I'm just praying scum has strongman/ninja/godfather as their only scum powers and not bulletproof or vig.

[scolapasta]

Scola,

Can you entertain the idea there is a scum human? If there is, who it it?

The long and the short of it is that we can keep killing the hosts, but we’re not moving the needle with that strategy.

I'll make you a deal, I'll entertain that idea when either a) joth is rezzed or b) we exile MiX then you, and the game doesn't end with a town win.

[scolapasta]

How do we get endgamed exactly?

We don't. I cracked it. We win this game.

But we need to be sure mail-mi is town. Are we?

If we do know he's town, we can exile both faust and LL, and win.

Are you saying we don't because there isn't we don't get endgamed if joth is rezzed? (i.e. my actual question)

Or are you diverting from the answer by suggesting this other plan. Which, if you and Didds are scum, means we lose.

[MiX]

How do we get endgamed exactly?

We don't. I cracked it. We win this game.

But we need to be sure mail-mi is town. Are we?

If we do know he's town, we can exile both faust and LL, and win.

Are you saying we don't because there isn't we don't get endgamed if joth is rezzed? (i.e. my actual question)

Or are you diverting from the answer by suggesting this other plan. Which, if you and Didds are scum, means we lose.

We can't lose if all hosts are scum for a very obvious reason, so we need to kill the scum human. My plan nearly ensures that. And "nearly" is as best as we can do.

Also joth's going to kill me and Didds when he's back so we're town. Get out of your tunnel.

[scolapasta]

How do we get endgamed exactly?

We don't. I cracked it. We win this game.

But we need to be sure mail-mi is town. Are we?

If we do know he's town, we can exile both faust and LL, and win.

Are you saying we don't because there isn't we don't get endgamed if joth is rezzed? (i.e. my actual question)

Or are you diverting from the answer by suggesting this other plan. Which, if you and Didds are scum, means we lose.

We can't lose if all hosts are scum for a very obvious reason, so we need to kill the scum human. My plan nearly ensures that. And "nearly" is as best as we can do.

Also joth's going to kill me and Didds when he's back so we're town. Get out of your tunnel.

You still haven't answered my question - how would joth getting rezzed endgame us?

[scolapasta]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

[MiX]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

The risk is that if you die, joth can massacre you as well, which completely destroys my plan.

If all scum are hosts, town has to allow scum to shoot humans. We can just not allow that and then they can't kill the 3 alive town humans. How can scum win in such a game?

[scolapasta]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

Similarly, for all we know MiX's 1 shot dayvig - maybe it can kill humans? He doesn't just use it outright, because that outs him as scum. He even tried to suggest using it on mail-mi to "trest if he's human". WHAT?

1. That's a huge risk to take if it would somehow kill him?
2. What reason is there to doubt mail-mi's human claim? Just like people could have assumed Dolores was in th game, there's almost no chance the game doesn't include Robert Ford.

ppe 1

[scolapasta]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

The risk is that if you die, joth can massacre you as well, which completely destroys my plan.

If all scum are hosts, town has to allow scum to shoot humans. We can just not allow that and then they can't kill the 3 alive town humans. How can scum win in such a game?

I still think there could be multiple triggers for there to be that allow scum to kill humans. For all I know the same host being exiled / killed twice is one of those. (and why joth hammered himself*)

* I don't remember if anyone had a good explanation for why that would happen.

[MiX]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

The risk is that if you die, joth can massacre you as well, which completely destroys my plan.

If all scum are hosts, town has to allow scum to shoot humans. We can just not allow that and then they can't kill the 3 alive town humans. How can scum win in such a game?

I still think there could be multiple triggers for there to be that allow scum to kill humans. For all I know the same host being exiled / killed twice is one of those. (and why joth hammered himself*)

* I don't remember if anyone had a good explanation for why that would happen.

Given my ability, it would be some universal thing, and mail-mi hasn't flipped yet.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola seems to believe that he is the one and only town host of the five hosts.

I just don’t see a game being fair with a single person determining the entire game.

[mail-mi]

People seem to be doubting my all scum hosts hypotheses - and it could be wrong, I agree. But we haven't had any evidence yet that it is wrong. Let's not forget joth had a dyavig he could give out that could kill a human. He gave it to swowl, but that would have been a way (besides exile) for scu, to engineer a mail mi death.

Again, I'm not saying I'm 100% right about this (not my style). But show me the evidence that it is wrong? Or where the risk is in giving it at least another day and not killing a human tonight?

Similarly, for all we know MiX's 1 shot dayvig - maybe it can kill humans? He doesn't just use it outright, because that outs him as scum. He even tried to suggest using it on mail-mi to "trest if he's human". WHAT?

1. That's a huge risk to take if it would somehow kill him?
2. What reason is there to doubt mail-mi's human claim? Just like people could have assumed Dolores was in th game, there's almost no chance the game doesn't include Robert Ford.

ppe 1

LaLight confirmed that MiX's vig doesn't work on humans until I die.

[faust]

Scola seems to believe that he is the one and only town host of the five hosts.

I just don’t see a game being fair with a single person determining the entire game.

Well, he and Awaclus, right? I agree that it doesn't make a ton of sense though.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 6.1

LaLight (1): faust
faust (1): LaLight
MiX (1): scolapasta

Not Voting (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, MiX

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Exile. Day 6 will end August 19th at 3:30 pm Forum Time

[MiX]

Ok let's exile faust/LL.

Vote: faust

[faust]

Ok let's exile faust/LL.

Vote: faust

I agree! But why me though? It should be LaLight.

[MiX]

Ok let's exile faust/LL.

Vote: faust

I agree! But why me though? It should be LaLight.

Because you can roleblock Didds, and that messes up my plan.

[WestCoastDidds]

Do you have a particular redirection in mind? Or just try to keep a host safe? Or try to keep Joth from coming back (I am not sure I can do that, but I’ll ask)?

[MiX]

Do you have a particular redirection in mind? Or just try to keep a host safe? Or try to keep Joth from coming back (I am not sure I can do that, but I’ll ask)?

Redirect a human to...joth? Someone dead. I think that works.

[faust]

Ok let's exile faust/LL.

Vote: faust

I agree! But why me though? It should be LaLight.

Because you can roleblock Didds, and that messes up my plan.

Does it help if I promise that I won't? 

I mean I suppose following your plan isn't the worst thing ever, I'm just a bit worried that scum has been holding something back that would screw us.

[WestCoastDidds]

I checked with Arch. I can redirect to/from dead people, but fixing is not a targeted action so I can’t keep Joth from being rezzed.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: faust

It’s so weird to trust MiX, but such is life.

[faust]

 

[faust]

I checked with Arch. I can redirect to/from dead people, but fixing is not a targeted action so I can’t keep Joth from being rezzed.

Did you have to check to know whether you can target dead people? Did you not know before now?

[WestCoastDidds]

I checked with Arch. I can redirect to/from dead people, but fixing is not a targeted action so I can’t keep Joth from being rezzed.

Did you have to check to know whether you can target dead people? Did you not know before now?

I hadn’t thought about it. I’d done it among living people before. I was really asking about redirecting the fix but asked that, too. I have discovered that there is do much I don’t know, but I’m also learning I can ask a ton of questions

[faust]

I checked with Arch. I can redirect to/from dead people, but fixing is not a targeted action so I can’t keep Joth from being rezzed.

Did you have to check to know whether you can target dead people? Did you not know before now?

I hadn’t thought about it. I’d done it among living people before. I was really asking about redirecting the fix but asked that, too. I have discovered that there is do much I don’t know, but I’m also learning I can ask a ton of questions

Ummm.....

Each role’s abilities will also name which types (Living/Dead) of players in the game it can target (if it’s a targeted action).

This should have been very obvious that you can target dead players.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

I don't know anymore really, but that all seems fake.

[MiX]

Vote: Didds

I don't know anymore really, but that all seems fake.

Just vote yourself if you have to, Didds is town, we know this.

[faust]

Vote: Didds

I don't know anymore really, but that all seems fake.

Just vote yourself if you have to, Didds is town, we know this.

I thought so, it's just knee-jerk. I would like an explanation of how she could not know she was able to target dead people. It seems weird and unlikely. It also seems a bit OP that she'd be able to target dead people in the first place.

[WestCoastDidds]

Why would I want to target dead people?

I don’t understand what the utility would be. I used it to try to protect people. And then I stopped using it when it might mess someone results up.

You should no better than anyone that I’m never faking naïveté. It cones natural to me.

[WestCoastDidds]

And in my pm it doesn’t say living or dead, it just says players...I never went back and read the OP closely.

[scolapasta]

It seems like it would have been important to know if you could redirect to dead people, no? I mean you haven't redirected either of the last two nights, whereas you could have redirected from any living target to a dead target in order to stop the NK? That is very powerful tool to use.

Earlier someone suggested vote faust because blockers are usually scum. If that's a criteria to use, aren't redirectors usually scum, too?

[MiX]

It seems like it would have been important to know if you could redirect to dead people, no? I mean you haven't redirected either of the last two nights, whereas you could have redirected from any living target to a dead target in order to stop the NK? That is very powerful tool to use.

Earlier someone suggested vote faust because blockers are usually scum. If that's a criteria to use, aren't redirectors usually scum, too?

That's a terrible criteria to use. Also, given what we know of the game, yesterday we had 2 scum alive, and at least 1 scum is a human, ergo all hosts are town.

[scolapasta]

It seems like it would have been important to know if you could redirect to dead people, no? I mean you haven't redirected either of the last two nights, whereas you could have redirected from any living target to a dead target in order to stop the NK? That is very powerful tool to use.

Earlier someone suggested vote faust because blockers are usually scum. If that's a criteria to use, aren't redirectors usually scum, too?

That's a terrible criteria to use. Also, given what we know of the game, yesterday we had 2 scum alive, and at least 1 scum is a human, ergo all hosts are town.

I do agree it's a bad criteria.

But I don't see the certainty that 1 scum is human. I get most of you think it, but I'm going to stay stubborn on this. Which means it can't be so certain.

[faust]

Why would I want to target dead people?

I don’t understand what the utility would be. I used it to try to protect people. And then I stopped using it when it might mess someone results up.

You should no better than anyone that I’m never faking naïveté. It cones natural to me.

What better way is there to protect people than to redirect kills onto dead players?

[scolapasta]

And in my pm it doesn’t say living or dead, it just says players...I never went back and read the OP closely.

I believe thus to be true, BUT your maintenance definitely says "living", which implies that not saying anything means both. Or at least that you should ask, no?

If you had redirected the last two nights, MiX would still be alive!

[WestCoastDidds]

Do you have a particular redirection in mind? Or just try to keep a host safe? Or try to keep Joth from coming back (I am not sure I can do that, but I’ll ask)?

Redirect a human to...joth? Someone dead. I think that works.

I don’t redirect an actor. From a target to a target. From a human to Joth?

[MiX]

Do you have a particular redirection in mind? Or just try to keep a host safe? Or try to keep Joth from coming back (I am not sure I can do that, but I’ll ask)?

Redirect a human to...joth? Someone dead. I think that works.

I don’t redirect an actor. From a target to a target. From a human to Joth?

I'm confused. Choose your favourite scummy from LL/mail-mi, and redirect them to someone that is dead. You can also redirect scola into someone. Just do something that stops a kill and you'll be useful

[scolapasta]

Do you have a particular redirection in mind? Or just try to keep a host safe? Or try to keep Joth from coming back (I am not sure I can do that, but I’ll ask)?

Redirect a human to...joth? Someone dead. I think that works.

I don’t redirect an actor. From a target to a target. From a human to Joth?

Why would you redirect from a human? scum doesn't seem able to kill them. Why not from MiX or me? And between those two, why not me, so joth can't massacre me, if he does come back to life?

[MiX]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...target?

Didds, can you go over what you did the first 2 nights?

[WestCoastDidds]

Why would I want to target dead people?

I don’t understand what the utility would be. I used it to try to protect people. And then I stopped using it when it might mess someone results up.

You should no better than anyone that I’m never faking naïveté. It cones natural to me.

What better way is there to protect people than to redirect kills onto dead players?

Well, the first two nights I tried to direct onto scum. I succeeded, maybe, with Joth. And maybe I kept you safe by directing to Awaclus. No one died so maybe.

I couldn’t act N3. I was dead.

After that I was trying not to mess up the results because after the initial redirections there was much confusion and then Mix killed me for redirecting.

Ot maybe you just mean “why are so bad at using this power” and my answer to that is that I don’t know. I’m not as experiences as sone and I’m trying to be a good teammate.

PPE: agree, Scola. That’s why I was following up with MiX since it’s his plan.

[WestCoastDidds]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...target?

Didds, can you go over what you did the first 2 nights?

I redirect actions from one target to another target.

On N1 I redirected actions targeting ADK to Joth
On N2 I redirected actions targeting faust to Awaclus

[MiX]

Sighhhh that's bad then.

Just predict who's getting NK'd that isn't me or you, Didds. And uh, swap with someone dead at random. Good luck, I guess, but it's not as helpful as I thought.

[WestCoastDidds]

Right?! It’s not as useful as I originally thought either! Lol!

But I think I have a plan-ish.

[scolapasta]

Right?! It’s not as useful as I originally thought either! Lol!

But I think I have a plan-ish.

Didds, do you think MiX could be scum?

MiX, same question about Didds?

[MiX]

Right?! It’s not as useful as I originally thought either! Lol!

But I think I have a plan-ish.

Didds, do you think MiX could be scum?

MiX, same question about Didds?

No.

No.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 6.2

WestCoastDidds (1): faust
faust (3): LaLight, MiX, WestCoastDidds
MiX (1): scolapasta

Not Voting (1): mail-mi

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Exile. Day 6 will end August 19th at 3:30 pm Forum Time

[MiX]

Unvote so I'm around for when the next day starts.

This feels like cheating.

[scolapasta]

I just had an idea - and maybe it's not great, but 🤷‍♂️

Is there anyone who's power we doubt is what they say it is? I feel like it's likely everyone telling the truth about their power (but obv not how they used it).

[MiX]

Vote: faust I'm back.

I just had an idea - and maybe it's not great, but 🤷‍♂️

Is there anyone who's power we doubt is what they say it is? I feel like it's likely everyone telling the truth about their power (but obv not how they used it).

I think given LL's role, scum probably claimed all of their roles that aren't obviously scummy, or LL is scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

I just had an idea - and maybe it's not great, but 🤷‍♂️

Is there anyone who's power we doubt is what they say it is? I feel like it's likely everyone telling the truth about their power (but obv not how they used it).

My guess is that because of LLs role that everyone is doing what they say, but scum also have shots. This makes sense to me because my role has three parts: Maintenance, Deflection, and Reveries.

To your earlier question, I know I’m town and I think that there are three scum. 2 hosts and 1 human. Joth is one host, and the other is either ADK or Awaclus. There is an outside chance it’s MiX, but there is literally no end to this game just exiling Mix over and over again. Plus I think he’s playing like town.

[faust]

I guess it does not make a ton of sense for Didds to have been lying about that part of her role specifically.

Vote: LaLight

I understand the urge to exile me. Not sure what I can do about it. I just hope that we have enough time to still win after I am exiled.

[MiX]

Unvote

scola, mail-mi, please show up in around 11 hours, please? This dance is funny but we need to eventually exile faust.

[mail-mi]

I still don't know if Faust is the best idea, but I don't really have a preference between him and lalight.

[WestCoastDidds]

Do you have a better idea, yams?

[scolapasta]

Unvote

scola, mail-mi, please show up in around 11 hours, please? This dance is funny but we need to eventually exile faust.

I'll be sleeping. But it doesn't matter much, since I'm also not voting a human.

[MiX]

Unvote

scola, mail-mi, please show up in around 11 hours, please? This dance is funny but we need to eventually exile faust.

I'll be sleeping. But it doesn't matter much, since I'm also not voting a human.

Please do, eventually? We need an exile today.

[mail-mi]

Do you have a better idea, yams?

I mean, it's probably the best thing to do, since I think both scum hosts are probably dead. But MiX could be scum. And I think scola's stubbornness is bordering on scummy at this point.

[faust]

Do you have a better idea, yams?

I mean, it's probably the best thing to do, since I think both scum hosts are probably dead. But MiX could be scum. And I think scola's stubbornness is bordering on scummy at this point.

I don't think scola is scummy, he could have easily hammered me by now. I think he's misguided, my role makes it quite clear that there should be humans able to perform kills (unless that's a massive red herring; but Arch was actually in a game way back that had a red herring (Ninja without tracking) and that caused a massive disputed, so I'm somewhat doubtful he's go this route).

[faust]

I would say please exile LaLight tomorrow but really I'm not completely sure I have a grasp on this game.

[WestCoastDidds]

Do you have a better idea, yams?

I mean, it's probably the best thing to do, since I think both scum hosts are probably dead. But MiX could be scum. And I think scola's stubbornness is bordering on scummy at this point.

I feel you on this. If he wasn’t a host who hasn’t been previously dead I’d be totally down to exile him out of sheer frustration.

[faust]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

[faust]

Same for mail-mi.

[MiX]

Vote: faust, good morning.

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

You can do this now, I'd appreciate it. If you get LL to X-1 somehow that would work too.

[scolapasta]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

Everyone keeps threatening me. (Mix with dayvig, faust with self hammer which seems ridiculous if he's town or he's scum)

So let me throw my plan out there and understand why people are against it:
1. Exile MiX
2. Tonight - Didds redirects from me to joth, so I cannot be NKed. (unless fausr block Didds, but then we know last two scum with 5 players).
3. we see if joth comes back to life; if he does, he can only massacre himself and Didds.
4. we exile joth. then we can bring back Mix and try to figure out which human is the scum, and we can also bring me back the next day.
5. if joth doesn't come back, we exile Didds (and win?)

I'm sure I'm missing something here, so help me find the flaws.

[MiX]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

Everyone keeps threatening me. (Mix with dayvig, faust with self hammer which seems ridiculous if he's town or he's scum)

So let me throw my plan out there and understand why people are against it:
1. Exile MiX
2. Tonight - Didds redirects from me to joth, so I cannot be NKed. (unless fausr block Didds, but then we know last two scum with 5 players).
3. we see if joth comes back to life; if he does, he can only massacre himself and Didds.
4. we exile joth. then we can bring back Mix and try to figure out which human is the scum, and we can also bring me back the next day.
5. if joth doesn't come back, we exile Didds (and win?)

I'm sure I'm missing something here, so help me find the flaws.

Interesting. I think ultimately this spins some wheels around and accomplishes nothing. Again, if all scum are hosts, we trivially win, so confirming that this is or is not the case's a waste of time. And I'm not interested in giving scum time. I want to catch scum in the mistake of hammering joth by having my dayvig back, I think they missed that and we get them with my plan. Giving them more time might let them pull something off, I don't know.

But I'm not really finding "flaws" that scum can exploit, given the assumptions I made for my own plan to work.

Is anyone interesting in rereading joth for associations? That's kinda what we should be doing, but I have zero motivation for it.

[mail-mi]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

[MiX]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

[mail-mi]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

Everyone keeps threatening me. (Mix with dayvig, faust with self hammer which seems ridiculous if he's town or he's scum)

So let me throw my plan out there and understand why people are against it:
1. Exile MiX
2. Tonight - Didds redirects from me to joth, so I cannot be NKed. (unless fausr block Didds, but then we know last two scum with 5 players).
3. we see if joth comes back to life; if he does, he can only massacre himself and Didds.
4. we exile joth. then we can bring back Mix and try to figure out which human is the scum, and we can also bring me back the next day.
5. if joth doesn't come back, we exile Didds (and win?)

I'm sure I'm missing something here, so help me find the flaws.

This plan works only if all scum are hosts. It also drags the game out longer, if we confirm that all y'all living hosts are currently town, and we're back to where we are today. I don't necessarily want to drag this game out longer.

[scolapasta]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

Everyone keeps threatening me. (Mix with dayvig, faust with self hammer which seems ridiculous if he's town or he's scum)

So let me throw my plan out there and understand why people are against it:
1. Exile MiX
2. Tonight - Didds redirects from me to joth, so I cannot be NKed. (unless fausr block Didds, but then we know last two scum with 5 players).
3. we see if joth comes back to life; if he does, he can only massacre himself and Didds.
4. we exile joth. then we can bring back Mix and try to figure out which human is the scum, and we can also bring me back the next day.
5. if joth doesn't come back, we exile Didds (and win?)

I'm sure I'm missing something here, so help me find the flaws.

Interesting. I think ultimately this spins some wheels around and accomplishes nothing. Again, if all scum are hosts, we trivially win, so confirming that this is or is not the case's a waste of time. And I'm not interested in giving scum time. I want to catch scum in the mistake of hammering joth by having my dayvig back, I think they missed that and we get them with my plan. Giving them more time might let them pull something off, I don't know.

But I'm not really finding "flaws" that scum can exploit, given the assumptions I made for my own plan to work.

Is anyone interesting in rereading joth for associations? That's kinda what we should be doing, but I have zero motivation for it.

How do we trivially win?

[MiX]

No one forget to submit all of their night actions, we need all of them to win.

That specifically includes Didds, but it's for everyone.

Think very carefully about your targets. We may need good night actions to win this game.

Good luck everyone.

How do we trivially win?

Hosts can't kill humans, there's 3 humans alive. Surely you can put together the dots.

[mail-mi]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

I mean, I can tomorrow if that's hammer. There is (almost) certainly a human scum, and it's not me, so it's got to be one of them.

[MiX]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

I mean, I can tomorrow if that's hammer. There is (almost) certainly a human scum, and it's not me, so it's got to be one of them.

Well yes now it's trivial, and I find that scummy, but we'll see, right.

[WestCoastDidds]

This is tedious.

Scola - either you vote LaLight in the next 18 hours or I'll hammer myself.

Everyone keeps threatening me. (Mix with dayvig, faust with self hammer which seems ridiculous if he's town or he's scum)

So let me throw my plan out there and understand why people are against it:
1. Exile MiX
2. Tonight - Didds redirects from me to joth, so I cannot be NKed. (unless fausr block Didds, but then we know last two scum with 5 players).
3. we see if joth comes back to life; if he does, he can only massacre himself and Didds.
4. we exile joth. then we can bring back Mix and try to figure out which human is the scum, and we can also bring me back the next day.
5. if joth doesn't come back, we exile Didds (and win?)

I'm sure I'm missing something here, so help me find the flaws.

This should be quicker, I think.

If faust is scum, we win

If Joth comes back, we know either LL or yams is scum.

If MiX is scum, a human will die.

[faust]

Well, sad. But it's fine, I was kind of burning out in this game. Good luck, I hope LaLight flips scum.

[scolapasta]

No one forget to submit all of their night actions, we need all of them to win.

That specifically includes Didds, but it's for everyone.

Think very carefully about your targets. We may need good night actions to win this game.

Good luck everyone.

How do we trivially win?

Hosts can't kill humans, there's 3 humans alive. Surely you can put together the dots.

RIGHT, except you've just convinced others to exile a human. Now when you get joth back, if I'm right that you're all scum, you NK me, and you've got 3 scum, and 2 town.

tldr; scum doesn't need to kill town to win.

Sigh. I think we're toast. I hope I'm wrong.

[MiX]

No one forget to submit all of their night actions, we need all of them to win.

That specifically includes Didds, but it's for everyone.

Think very carefully about your targets. We may need good night actions to win this game.

Good luck everyone.

How do we trivially win?

Hosts can't kill humans, there's 3 humans alive. Surely you can put together the dots.

RIGHT, except you've just convinced others to exile a human. Now when you get joth back, if I'm right that you're all scum, you NK me, and you've got 3 scum, and 2 town.

tldr; scum doesn't need to kill town to win.

Sigh. I think we're toast. I hope I'm wrong.

Honestly you're right. If scum's you and Didds, you guys win, I think.

[scolapasta]

Oh, wait you can't just joth back.

But still with you and Didds vs 2 town, it's over no? Well except they can revive me.

But maybe another trigger to for hosts to kill humans (or your dayvig) is to have even scum vs town. 🤷‍♂️

[scolapasta]

I still think Didds, if you're town, you need to redirect from me to joth, so that I don't get killed.

[MiX]

Oh, wait you can't just joth back.

But still with you and Didds vs 2 town, it's over no? Well except they can revive me.

But maybe another trigger to for hosts to kill humans (or your dayvig) is to have even scum vs town. 🤷‍♂️

Lol yes you're right, I forgot if all scum are hosts joth can't go back.

Then if you are a human and Didds is also scum, you win. Which is very fair, in my opinion.

I still think Didds, if you're town, you need to redirect from me to joth, so that I don't get killed.

From you to literally anyone dead, yes. You or anyone that isn't me/Didds, to be honest. I don't think you matter more than others here. Not with my plan, anyway.

[scolapasta]

I guess one of my main arguments for you as scum, is that you kept trying to advance the argument that:

if we don't kill humans, we trivially win, so that can't be the case, so let's exile a human.

At this point, I don't think I have much more to say for the day, I'll just hope the game is not over when dawn comes.

And I hope I'm wrong about you and that your plan has legs and actually works.

[mail-mi]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

I mean, I can tomorrow if that's hammer. There is (almost) certainly a human scum, and it's not me, so it's got to be one of them.

Well yes now it's trivial, and I find that scummy, but we'll see, right.

It's not scummy, it's just lazy. I, like faust, am kinda getting burnt out of this game. It's hard when most flips don't give us information, and people keep coming back. Heck, for all we know, we've never exiled a scum this game.

[scolapasta]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

I mean, I can tomorrow if that's hammer. There is (almost) certainly a human scum, and it's not me, so it's got to be one of them.

Well yes now it's trivial, and I find that scummy, but we'll see, right.

It's not scummy, it's just lazy. I, like faust, am kinda getting burnt out of this game. It's hard when most flips don't give us information, and people keep coming back. Heck, for all we know, we've never exiled a scum this game.

Assuming you include the dayvig, that would make the scum team: you, me, and LaLight. Yay, we win! </sarcasm>

[MiX]

I find LL slightly scummier than faust, but we're going to be exiling both of them anyway, right? Vote: faust

Feel free to make a LL case, but I think you just hammered, so...

I mean, I can tomorrow if that's hammer. There is (almost) certainly a human scum, and it's not me, so it's got to be one of them.

Well yes now it's trivial, and I find that scummy, but we'll see, right.

It's not scummy, it's just lazy. I, like faust, am kinda getting burnt out of this game. It's hard when most flips don't give us information, and people keep coming back. Heck, for all we know, we've never exiled a scum this game.

Technically joth's self hammer counts as an exile, so...

But yeah, he could just be a third-party and we just lost. Who knows? Probably Archetype.

[faust]

There is a scum human. I knows it! So please just get rid of LaLight.

[mail-mi]

There is a scum human. I knows it! So please just get rid of LaLight.

That's MiX's plan, and he and WCD are my top townreads right now, so I trust them.

[WestCoastDidds]

I submitted my night action! Just so you don’t spend two days ruminating about it MiX!

[MiX]

I submitted my night action! Just so you don’t spend two days ruminating about it MiX!

Okay, thank you Didds!

There is a scum human. I knows it! So please just get rid of LaLight.

Is it you? How else do you know?

Oh right your PR.

[LaLight]

if it's not faust, it's gotta be mail-mi which is weird, but well.
i join those who are kind of burned down.

[Archetype]

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[Archetype]

Vote Count 6.FINAL

LaLight (1): faust
faust (4): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, MiX, mail-mi
MiX (1): scolapasta

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Exile.

[Archetype]

Delos suspected there was a mole within the corporation, but who? All fingers pointed to Theresea Cullen but she swore she was innocent...

faust has been Exiled. They were Theresea Cullen the Town Human

Night 6 start!

Night action submission deadline is August 19th at 2:00 am Forum Time. Day 7 will begin August 19th at 2:00 pm Forum Time. Given the smaller player count, each Living Player may post Short Night in their Personal QT. If every Living Player does, I'll resolve all Night Actions as-submitted and start Day 7 shortly after.

[Archetype]

With every eerie silence comes a gnawing suspicion of what lies before. What secrets could be hidden in this dark glimpse of understanding?

No one died

Day 7 Start!

Vote Count 7.0

Not Voting (5): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, MiX, mail-mi, scolapasta

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to Exile. Day 7 will end August 26th at 4:00 am Forum Time

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[LaLight]

Alright.

joth maintenanced me and claimed scum. He said they know there's a human traitor and he thinks that's me. Also he said that if I am third party, they might help me if I rez him.

Unfortunately for him I am town. And Vote: scolapasta

[LaLight]

wait, sorry

Vote: mail-mi of course. I confused something for a second there

[LaLight]

I remind you that it is not impossible for mail-mi to not have killing powers, because he always can return to life hosts with it. And if he's dead, hosts can kill people. It all makes sense now.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, interesting.

So he said that he was scum, and he was looking for the traitor? Are there any other living scum?

[LaLight]

Oh, interesting.

So he said that he was scum, and he was looking for the traitor? Are there any other living scum?

he didn't say anything about the second part. And yes, he claimed. I didn't see the message at first and he said that the wait makes him nervous and he's afraid he guessed wrong. After I said he did indeed guessed wrong, he said that this was a joke and he's town which I obviously didn't believe. Then we exchanged some sarcastic remarks and that was it.

[LaLight]

we either lynch mm and win or lynch me and lose, the question is who you believe.

[MiX]

We no exile. The situation hasn't changed from yesterday.

Can everyone claim what they did last night?

[WestCoastDidds]

Why no exile, Mix?

I redirected from Scola to Joth

[MiX]

Why no exile, Mix?

I redirected from Scola to Joth

Because my plan was to have a night with exactly us alive, no more, no less. I see no reason for my plan to not work now.

Good job Didds. Sadly I mathed that one out, and scola dying and joth being alive actually gave us the highest chances of winning. But you could've easily saved him.

[WestCoastDidds]

Good job Didds. Sadly I mathed that one out, and scola dying and joth being alive actually gave us the highest chances of winning. But you could've easily saved him.

Huh? Sorry, it’s early for me. Can you explain more clearly?

[MiX]

Good job Didds. Sadly I mathed that one out, and scola dying and joth being alive actually gave us the highest chances of winning. But you could've easily saved him.

Huh? Sorry, it’s early for me. Can you explain more clearly?

There's no reason to, and it's early for me too so maybe I'm wrong.

[LaLight]

We no exile. The situation hasn't changed from yesterday.

Can everyone claim what they did last night?

yeah, and then mm resurrects joth and we lose, aren't we?

[WestCoastDidds]

So, we no exile....

Yams rezzes Joth. Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me.

Scola and LL exile yams and we win?

Why wait and not exile yams today? Because it gives hosts killing?

PPE

[LaLight]

So, we no exile....

Yams rezzes Joth. Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me.

Scola and LL exile yams and we win?

Why wait and not exile yams today? Because it gives hosts killing?

PPE

does joth massacre himself though? How can we be sure?

[LaLight]

3 scum + traitor is a possibility, but then we lynch mail-mi, no one can rez joth, and we lynch scola. I don't see any downsides to lynching mm.

Also scum might be quite desperate if joth just gambled on me.

[WestCoastDidds]

So, we no exile....

Yams rezzes Joth. Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me.

Scola and LL exile yams and we win?

Why wait and not exile yams today? Because it gives hosts killing?

PPE

does joth massacre himself though? How can we be sure?

We can’t be sure, but when he explained the massacres, he wipes out anyone who had been previously exiled which would include him.

I’m still waiting to see why Mix thinks we don’t exile yams today

I also have the fear that you (LL) are just playing us. If we exile yams, then tomorrow you bring Joth back...he massacres himself, MiX, and I...that just leaves you and Scola so you win.

[MiX]

There's plans to be made, but of course LL's assumes not only that he's town, which we cannot, but that scola is host, which we don't know. If both of these things are true, then yes, we could just exile mail-mi and win, but that's not so easy.

Joth had no reason to claim to be a traitor, it could be a play to defend a scum host for all we know.

[LaLight]

There's plans to be made, but of course LL's assumes not only that he's town, which we cannot, but that scola is host, which we don't know. If both of these things are true, then yes, we could just exile mail-mi and win, but that's not so easy.

Joth had no reason to claim to be a traitor, it could be a play to defend a scum host for all we know.

he didn't claim to be a traitor. He said there is a traitor among humans and he believes it's me

Also didn't scola claim Dolores?

Also also, joth said "i believe it's you and not scola and mail-mi", so I don't know

[LaLight]

(it's paraphrased, obv)

[MiX]

We don't know if scola is a host. If we knew, we could just win, but we don't have a good way of doing so.

[scolapasta]

We don't know if scola is a host. If we knew, we could just win, but we don't have a good way of doing so.

Why do you doubt I'm a host? Do you really think Dolores wouldn't be in this game?

[MiX]

We don't know if scola is a host. If we knew, we could just win, but we don't have a good way of doing so.

Why do you doubt I'm a host? Do you really think Dolores wouldn't be in this game?

Yes?? Fakeclaims are real.

[scolapasta]

So, we no exile....

Yams rezzes Joth. Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me.

Scola and LL exile yams and we win?

Why wait and not exile yams today? Because it gives hosts killing?

PPE

Well, one reason to wait, and it's still early for me, so I'm going to take time to think about it, is if none of this is true! i.e. against all odds, my hypothesis is true.

[scolapasta]

We don't know if scola is a host. If we knew, we could just win, but we don't have a good way of doing so.

Why do you doubt I'm a host? Do you really think Dolores wouldn't be in this game?

Yes?? Fakeclaims are real.

I get they are real. I'm just saying from a setup perspective, how would you have a westword season 1 game and exclude arguably the most important character? That'd be like Hunger Games without Katniss.

(note I have only seen season 1, so not sure if things change later on importance - no spoilers please - but in season 1, she is clearly a main character)

[MiX]

Katniss can be scum. So can you.

[mail-mi]

Vote: LaLight obviously either he's playing us or joth is pulling some desparate scum gambit.

Also, I roleblocked scolapasta last night. Blocking scola has been the only thing to explain no deaths the past 2 nights, I think. (also didds redirection wouldn't work on me because my abilities activate during the day). Exile LL and scola and we win.

[MiX]

Vote: LaLight obviously either he's playing us or joth is pulling some desparate scum gambit.

Also, I roleblocked scolapasta last night. Blocking scola has been the only thing to explain no deaths the past 2 nights, I think. (also didds redirection wouldn't work on me because my abilities activate during the day). Exile LL and scola and we win.

If you blocked scola, why vote LL?

[mail-mi]

MiX, what exactly is your plan? What is the benefit of noxiling today?

You don't have to answer this if it's better for scum not to know.

[mail-mi]

Vote: LaLight obviously either he's playing us or joth is pulling some desparate scum gambit.

Also, I roleblocked scolapasta last night. Blocking scola has been the only thing to explain no deaths the past 2 nights, I think. (also didds redirection wouldn't work on me because my abilities activate during the day). Exile LL and scola and we win.

If you blocked scola, why vote LL?

I thought killing LL was the plan? I'm happy to vote for either.

[MiX]

MiX, what exactly is your plan? What is the benefit of noxiling today?

You don't have to answer this if it's better for scum not to know.

I'm not sure, but it's just the same as yesterday's.

I'll try to think if there's a better one to take advantage of what we know.

I think LL's town though.

[mail-mi]

MiX, what exactly is your plan? What is the benefit of noxiling today?

You don't have to answer this if it's better for scum not to know.

I'm not sure, but it's just the same as yesterday's.

I'll try to think if there's a better one to take advantage of what we know.

I think LL's town though.

Okay. Vote: scolapasta

[scolapasta]

Katniss can be scum. So can you.

Sure, but the point is about host vs human. Dolores is a host.

[scolapasta]

Vote: LaLight obviously either he's playing us or joth is pulling some desparate scum gambit.

Also, I roleblocked scolapasta last night. Blocking scola has been the only thing to explain no deaths the past 2 nights, I think. (also didds redirection wouldn't work on me because my abilities activate during the day). Exile LL and scola and we win.

OK, this should confirm I'm a host, no?

In meetings, so I'll need more time to formulate more thoughts.

[mail-mi]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

[scolapasta]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

[scolapasta]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

[mail-mi]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

[MiX]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

Do humans get messages?

[mail-mi]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

Do humans get messages?

Yes, they get messages, but I can't use any of my abilities on them.

[MiX]

Do you have any ability left that you know if it worked?

[mail-mi]

Do you have any ability left that you know if it worked?

That's a good question. I thought once I used it, I used it whether or not it worked, but I checked my qt to be sure, and from the way my QT is worded, it seems like if I try to use an ability on a Human, I can try again to use it on a Host. I'll ask Arch for clarification.

[scolapasta]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

Do humans get messages?

Yes, they get messages, but I can't use any of my abilities on them.

Really? That seems... unthematic. You're Robert Ford communicating with your hosts. Why / how exactly would humans also get the messages?

[MiX]

Do you have any ability left that you know if it worked?

That's a good question. I thought once I used it, I used it whether or not it worked, but I checked my qt to be sure, and from the way my QT is worded, it seems like if I try to use an ability on a Human, I can try again to use it on a Host. I'll ask Arch for clarification.

That wasn't my question, but your idea's much better.

If scola's a host, I believe we win.

[mail-mi]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

Do humans get messages?

Yes, they get messages, but I can't use any of my abilities on them.

Really? That seems... unthematic. You're Robert Ford communicating with your hosts. Why / how exactly would humans also get the messages?

I don't know the show at all, so I don't know what's thematic and what isn't. All I know is that my QT says I can send a message to any player. I can choose to attach an ability to it, and if the player is a Host, the ability will affect them.

[mail-mi]

Do you have any ability left that you know if it worked?

That's a good question. I thought once I used it, I used it whether or not it worked, but I checked my qt to be sure, and from the way my QT is worded, it seems like if I try to use an ability on a Human, I can try again to use it on a Host. I'll ask Arch for clarification.

That wasn't my question, but your idea's much better.

If scola's a host, I believe we win.

I guess I didn't understand your question.

[scolapasta]

Well, yes and no. If you're human, I could still target you, my ability would just fail.

Oh. Well, I did get roleblocked, I just assumed you would know it worked.

I also got a "message" end of day - but there was no content. You can confirm that you sent an empty message.

I can confirm that I sent an empty message. I have to send a message to use my abilities.

Do humans get messages?

Yes, they get messages, but I can't use any of my abilities on them.

Really? That seems... unthematic. You're Robert Ford communicating with your hosts. Why / how exactly would humans also get the messages?

I don't know the show at all, so I don't know what's thematic and what isn't. All I know is that my QT says I can send a message to any player. I can choose to attach an ability to it, and if the player is a Host, the ability will affect them.

You should watch it's quite good.

This should not spoil anything: Robert Ford is the creator of all these robots (Hosts). i.e. it would make sense to me that he could communicate with the Hosts in a way that would not work with humans.

[scolapasta]

I guess the fact that you can send a message doesn't necessarily mean that the message will be received by Humans.

[MiX]

Okay that should be enough confirmation scola's a host.

If a host is revived by Maintenance, and are targeted with a night kill in the same night, what happens?

[Archetype]

If a host is revived by Maintenance, and are targeted with a night kill in the same night, what happens?

Killing actions can’t be taken on dead players

[MiX]

If a host is revived by Maintenance, and are targeted with a night kill in the same night, what happens?

Killing actions can’t be taken on dead players

Sigh, yes, but like, redirections and what not.

If it is possible, what would happen?

[Archetype]

If a host is revived by Maintenance, and are targeted with a night kill in the same night, what happens?

Killing actions can’t be taken on dead players

Sigh, yes, but like, redirections and what not.

If it is possible, what would happen?

Nothing

[MiX]

Okay...thank you?

Then it's just LL I think.

My plan's much worse than it looked, of course.

[scolapasta]

Okay...thank you?

Then it's just LL I think.

My plan's much worse than it looked, of course.

What's just LL?

[MiX]

Okay...thank you?

Then it's just LL I think.

My plan's much worse than it looked, of course.

What's just LL?

Scum, I think.

We can't hedge on both LL and mail-mi, so we just have to trust one of them. I trust mail-mi more.

[mail-mi]

Arch replied to my question. If I try to use an ability on a human, it won't work, and I'll be able to use it again. I asked him if I still have access to my roleblocking ability. This should confirm whether scola is host 100%.

[mail-mi]

Arch said he can't tell me if my trigger phrase worked or not.

[LaLight]

Okay...thank you?

Then it's just LL I think.

My plan's much worse than it looked, of course.

What's just LL?

Scum, I think.

We can't hedge on both LL and mail-mi, so we just have to trust one of them. I trust mail-mi more.

how did you flip from LL is town to Ll is scum so fast?

[LaLight]

mail-mi able to send a message / dying enabling killing humans / ability to shut hosts for good are obvious traits of a traitor

[LaLight]

what's the point of me?

[LaLight]

how would my power work for scum team AT ALL?

[scolapasta]

Alright.

joth maintenanced me and claimed scum. He said they know there's a human traitor and he thinks that's me. Also he said that if I am third party, they might help me if I rez him.

Unfortunately for him I am town. And Vote: scolapasta

Why would joth do this this way? If he thinks your the traitor, why not start the QT and wait for you to reach out to him first?

[LaLight]

Alright.

joth maintenanced me and claimed scum. He said they know there's a human traitor and he thinks that's me. Also he said that if I am third party, they might help me if I rez him.

Unfortunately for him I am town. And Vote: scolapasta

Why would joth do this this way? If he thinks your the traitor, why not start the QT and wait for you to reach out to him first?

I don't know. but i assume he thought everyone was sure he's scum (and I was) and he will claim anyway, looking for a traitor. another point is that if I am not the traitor, then they lose the game, unless you don't believe me and lynch me. so why the heck not. he loses nothing. maybe it was different, I don't know

[LaLight]

the fact that mail-mi didn't claim one of his powers, has perfect role for a traitor and is a perfect flavor sense to be a traitor is enough to believe me, is it not?

[LaLight]

hard to wuote from the phone, but here's the quote from the op:

Character Names are assigned relatively independently of Alignment.

[LaLight]

this is a perfect game design right here.

[LaLight]

scum team if Clementine, Teddy and Ford makes the most sense. I am man in black, I should be third party at best, and I'm not

[LaLight]

scum team of*

[LaLight]

i know flavor arguments are the worst, but the word relatively really makes me sure

[LaLight]

and i also have a couple of not flavor arguments. how does mail-mi's role make sense as town? he claims he has the power of making hosts unable to kill humans and voila! no one lynches him and can't kill him and scum loses

[LaLight]

obviously we didn't see any confirmation that scum humans can kill humans so how would scum win?

[LaLight]

answer is: as long as mm lives, he can resurrect dead scum and they kill. if he dies, scum can kill humans. do i make sense or not?

[LaLight]

and the cherry on top: he can send messages to known scum that he can resurrect them and they should target him for maintenance.

Solved!

[scolapasta]

i know flavor arguments are the worst, but the word relatively really makes me sure

Sure?

I'm ok with the argument that flavor could help figure out alignment, but I don't see why these three would seem so obvious? Flavor wise, I'd think, for example, that Teddy and Dolores could be on the same team.

Why these three?

[scolapasta]

and the cherry on top: he can send messages to known scum that he can resurrect them and they should target him for maintenance.

Solved!

If this were true, why wouldn't joth have targeted him?

[LaLight]

i know flavor arguments are the worst, but the word relatively really makes me sure

Sure?

I'm ok with the argument that flavor could help figure out alignment, but I don't see why these three would seem so obvious? Flavor wise, I'd think, for example, that Teddy and Dolores could be on the same team.

Why these three?

SPOILER ALERT

Teddy and Clementine are the least selfaware of a bunch. Dolores and Maeve are, for example. And Ford is a puppeteer

[LaLight]

and the cherry on top: he can send messages to known scum that he can resurrect them and they should target him for maintenance.

Solved!

If this were true, why wouldn't joth have targeted him?

because he never sent messages to joth? after joth became known scum he was dead up to this point

[MiX]

and i also have a couple of not flavor arguments. how does mail-mi's role make sense as town? he claims he has the power of making hosts unable to kill humans and voila! no one lynches him and can't kill him and scum loses

Well you would be scum human.

But this makes sense. Mail-mi can't kill. That's why only hosts have died. The other scum were hosts.

[scolapasta]

People keep using this argument of "well if scum can't hill humans, how can scum win? So let's exile humans." Um, that's exactly how scum win, by making us paranoid and having us exile our own!

I'm no longer quite so sure this is true (want to think about this traitor thing), but people need to stop discounting this possibility.

This is the first time I've played an archtype game, but someone else pointed out that he had a game with a ninja but no tracker (or something like that). So we know he likes tricky designs.

[scolapasta]

i know flavor arguments are the worst, but the word relatively really makes me sure

Sure?

I'm ok with the argument that flavor could help figure out alignment, but I don't see why these three would seem so obvious? Flavor wise, I'd think, for example, that Teddy and Dolores could be on the same team.

Why these three?

SPOILER ALERT

Teddy and Clementine are the least selfaware of a bunch. Dolores and Maeve are, for example. And Ford is a puppeteer

MORE SPOILERS

I mean Bernard is even more self aware, no? And wouldn't you think less self aware is more likely town and more self aware scum?

[LaLight]

i know flavor arguments are the worst, but the word relatively really makes me sure

Sure?

I'm ok with the argument that flavor could help figure out alignment, but I don't see why these three would seem so obvious? Flavor wise, I'd think, for example, that Teddy and Dolores could be on the same team.

Why these three?

SPOILER ALERT

Teddy and Clementine are the least selfaware of a bunch. Dolores and Maeve are, for example. And Ford is a puppeteer

MORE SPOILERS

I mean Bernard is even more self aware, no? And wouldn't you think less self aware is more likely town and more self aware scum?

yeah, but the point is that self aware hosts are town and Ford controls those who are not

[LaLight]

People keep using this argument of "well if scum can't hill humans, how can scum win? So let's exile humans." Um, that's exactly how scum win, by making us paranoid and having us exile our own!

I'm no longer quite so sure this is true (want to think about this traitor thing), but people need to stop discounting this possibility.

This is the first time I've played an archtype game, but someone else pointed out that he had a game with a ninja but no tracker (or something like that). So we know he likes tricky designs.

and here we have the problem of not knowing scum wincon, so we can't just exile all hosts, as one should be alive for the town wincon. maybe scum wincon is "when no town hosts are alive" not regarding any maintenance shenanigans

[LaLight]

that's why we can't just exile all hosts

[MiX]

People keep using this argument of "well if scum can't hill humans, how can scum win? So let's exile humans." Um, that's exactly how scum win, by making us paranoid and having us exile our own!

I'm no longer quite so sure this is true (want to think about this traitor thing), but people need to stop discounting this possibility.

This is the first time I've played an archtype game, but someone else pointed out that he had a game with a ninja but no tracker (or something like that). So we know he likes tricky designs.

If all scum are hosts, then why would joth suicide?


Okay, I think I have a plan.

Vote: mail-mi

Didds, you need to redirect either scola or me, to someone that is dead. Be as unpredictable as you can, but basically your first target has to be (scola/MiX) and the second (ADK/Awaclus/joth). You can choose within this pool however you like. This should ensure maximum winrate.

Who here doubts scola's a host? If he is, then my plan is the best thus far.

[MiX]

I'm sure somewhere, somehow, raerae hates my guts.

I feel like this needs to be pointed out.

[LaLight]

i think he's a host, and if the game isn't over after mail-mi's exile, he's the most probable candidate to be the last scum

[MiX]

i think he's a host, and if the game isn't over after mail-mi's exile, he's the most probable candidate to be the last scum

Well, you are, but yes.

[mail-mi]

the fact that mail-mi didn't claim one of his powers, has perfect role for a traitor and is a perfect flavor sense to be a traitor is enough to believe me, is it not?

I will respond to each of these arguments in turn.

1. Of course I didn't claim one of my powers. Why would I ever claim that power without someone outing me (aka you)? That power is something I really didn't want scum to know and town could live without knowing.

2. So here's the thing. I cannot message dead players. A player has to be alive for me to message them. What use is that for being able to contact my theoretical dead scumbuddies? Also, why would a traitor have an ability to resurrect only a town host?

3. Flavor arguments are not valid.

[LaLight]

you can maintenance scum just like everybody else

[LaLight]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

[MiX]

the fact that mail-mi didn't claim one of his powers, has perfect role for a traitor and is a perfect flavor sense to be a traitor is enough to believe me, is it not?

I will respond to each of these arguments in turn.

1. Of course I didn't claim one of my powers. Why would I ever claim that power without someone outing me (aka you)? That power is something I really didn't want scum to know and town could live without knowing.

2. So here's the thing. I cannot message dead players. A player has to be alive for me to message them. What use is that for being able to contact my theoretical dead scumbuddies? Also, why would a traitor have an ability to resurrect only a town host?

3. Flavor arguments are not valid.

1. We should've actually done fullclaims. I was too stubborn, apologies for that. But if you knew that scum hosts couldn't kill humans, why wouldn't you say so? That way if you're killed we would know there's a scum human.

2. Well you would've known joth's scum when you failed to rez them. You can only rez town hosts because you can Maintenance the others.

3. Yes.

you can maintenance scum just like everybody else

See?

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

But this didn't happen, clearly. What's your explanation for this?

[LaLight]

the only explanation i have is that messaging is tied with roleblocking which mail-mi wouldn't want to happen to nightkill

[mail-mi]

Also, let's not forget that LaLight has a perfect a) third party role (perhaps all scum are hosts and he's a third party that is considered a "thread to town"), or b) if he's scum, he has a rolecop right there.

"But mail-mi," LaLight says, "why was the first power I had to find of my partner?" Because it's a gambit. You already knew your partner's power, so you claimed that it's the first one you needed to find for distancing and cover purposes. Or maybe it was a gimme. I don't know the game design.

Point is, arguing mechanics is not convincing--especially since LaLight seems to be ignoring the parts of my role that are definitely town-aligned (read: resurrecting only townies).

[mail-mi]

the fact that mail-mi didn't claim one of his powers, has perfect role for a traitor and is a perfect flavor sense to be a traitor is enough to believe me, is it not?

I will respond to each of these arguments in turn.

1. Of course I didn't claim one of my powers. Why would I ever claim that power without someone outing me (aka you)? That power is something I really didn't want scum to know and town could live without knowing.

2. So here's the thing. I cannot message dead players. A player has to be alive for me to message them. What use is that for being able to contact my theoretical dead scumbuddies? Also, why would a traitor have an ability to resurrect only a town host?

3. Flavor arguments are not valid.

1. We should've actually done fullclaims. I was too stubborn, apologies for that. But if you knew that scum hosts couldn't kill humans, why wouldn't you say so? That way if you're killed we would know there's a scum human.

2. Well you would've known joth's scum when you failed to rez them. You can only rez town hosts because you can Maintenance the others.

3. Yes.

I am confused by your arguments against my points and don't understand what you're trying to say.

[mail-mi]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

[mail-mi]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

[mail-mi]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

[MiX]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

[LaLight]

here's the point for scum!scola. Arch is known for excluding main characters and give them as fakeclaims to people

[mail-mi]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

[LaLight]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

he assumes scola is host

[MiX]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

Not so, nevermind.

We have so much power, yet there's like no ways of knowing who's scum.

[scolapasta]

here's the point for scum!scola. Arch is known for excluding main characters and give them as fakeclaims to people

Really? I'll admit that's. smart design. But I had no way of knowing that - well, except for going back and reading old games, but if you believe anything I say, know that I'm not *that* invested in these games.

Care to point me to any?

[scolapasta]

here's the point for scum!scola. Arch is known for excluding main characters and give them as fakeclaims to people

Really? I'll admit that's. smart design. But I had no way of knowing that - well, except for going back and reading old games, but if you believe anything I say, know that I'm not *that* invested in these games.

Care to point me to any?

Well, if you believe anything I say, first believe I'm town. Then this.

Don't forget I did breadcrumb being a host in my very first post, as well. I'd like to hope that counts for something.

[scolapasta]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

[LaLight]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

who killed him?

[mail-mi]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

Not so, nevermind.

We have so much power, yet there's like no ways of knowing who's scum.

I mean, we do have ways though.

Over the past 2 nights, scum have known who are hosts and who are humans. They also know that the ability that lets them kill humans is activated upon my death. Scum knows they cannot kill humans. Thus, scum would be dumb to target humans with their nightkill. So I think we can safely assume that scum has been trying to nightkill other hosts. Therefore, we have only 1 explanation for why there have been no deaths at night: scola being blocked.

[mail-mi]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

Not so, nevermind.

We have so much power, yet there's like no ways of knowing who's scum.

I mean, we do have ways though.

Over the past 2 nights, scum have known who are hosts and who are humans. They also know that the ability that lets them kill humans is activated upon my death. Scum knows they cannot kill humans. Thus, scum would be dumb to target humans with their nightkill. So I think we can safely assume that scum has been trying to nightkill other hosts. Therefore, we have only 1 explanation for why there have been no deaths at night: scola being blocked.

i guess there are a few other explanations, like all scum are dead and LaLight is a NKless 3rd party. But I think Occam's Razor applies in this scenario.

[scolapasta]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

who killed him?

Who killed who?

[MiX]

There was a night where I was roleblocked, only scola wasn't outed and no one died.

[mail-mi]

There was a night where I was roleblocked, only scola wasn't outed and no one died.

was there? There have been too many nights this game for me to keep track of.

was joth alive during that night?

[scolapasta]

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

Not so, nevermind.

We have so much power, yet there's like no ways of knowing who's scum.

I mean, we do have ways though.

Over the past 2 nights, scum have known who are hosts and who are humans. They also know that the ability that lets them kill humans is activated upon my death. Scum knows they cannot kill humans. Thus, scum would be dumb to target humans with their nightkill. So I think we can safely assume that scum has been trying to nightkill other hosts. Therefore, we have only 1 explanation for why there have been no deaths at night: scola being blocked.

Another explanation: Mix and Didds are scum and knew NKing me would make them look guilty.

If I'm scum, then all scum are hosts. Yet no one seems to believe that except me. Why would I be so stubborn about and not just to exiling faust, for example, or help to exile you or Lalight today, if this were true?

[MiX]

There was a night where I was roleblocked, only scola wasn't outed and no one died.

was there? There have been too many nights this game for me to keep track of.

was joth alive during that night?

Yes.

In any case, I don't actually know if LaLight is human scum, a third party, or misguided town. What I do know is that scola has been blocked the past 2 nights, and there haven't been nightkills the past two nights.

Vote: scolapasta if I wasn't already.

If we kill you and scola's scum, we win.

how so?

Not so, nevermind.

We have so much power, yet there's like no ways of knowing who's scum.

I mean, we do have ways though.

Over the past 2 nights, scum have known who are hosts and who are humans. They also know that the ability that lets them kill humans is activated upon my death. Scum knows they cannot kill humans. Thus, scum would be dumb to target humans with their nightkill. So I think we can safely assume that scum has been trying to nightkill other hosts. Therefore, we have only 1 explanation for why there have been no deaths at night: scola being blocked.

Another explanation: Mix and Didds are scum and knew NKing me would make them look guilty.

If I'm scum, then all scum are hosts. Yet no one seems to believe that except me. Why would I be so stubborn about and not just to exiling faust, for example, or help to exile you or Lalight today, if this were true?

Projection? For this exact argument?

If we're both scum I would've shot you tonight, lol.

[scolapasta]

Yeah, but I wouldn't be SO stubborn.

I would've thought so too (re: shooting me). Honestly the no alignment reveal makes it tough to game out.

Say you shoot me, then there's 4 of you, 2 scum. But game not over, because even though noxile, then no NK and town could bring me back...

So maybe not shooting me is better.

But yeah, I'm confused at all. I'lll have time after work to process and try to make any sense of it.

One thing I am trying to figure out is why is Didds so trusting of you this game?

[MiX]

Didds knows I'm town. Same reason I know she's town. We can read each other.

As for the rest of you, I have no idea.

[scolapasta]

Didds knows I'm town. Same reason I know she's town. We can read each other.

As for the rest of you, I have no idea.

You know as well as I do, in this game, there's no "knowing" (unless you actually know). There's strongly suspecting, but Didds knows as well as anyone that she can be fooled.

[MiX]

Didds knows I'm town. Same reason I know she's town. We can read each other.

As for the rest of you, I have no idea.

You know as well as I do, in this game, there's no "knowing" (unless you actually know). There's strongly suspecting, but Didds knows as well as anyone that she can be fooled.

In this game, there is knowing, and saying otherwise makes town lose.

The only reason we're in this mess is because this game makes scumhunting next to impossible.

[scolapasta]

So Didds, why is MiX town?

And MiX why is Didds town?

[MiX]

So Didds, why is MiX town?

And MiX why is Didds town?

The last scum's a human, also gut.

[scolapasta]

So Didds, why is MiX town?

And MiX why is Didds town?

The last scum's a human, also gut.

Why do you so discount the all scum are hosts hypothesis?

[MiX]

So Didds, why is MiX town?

And MiX why is Didds town?

The last scum's a human, also gut.

Why do you so discount the all scum are hosts hypothesis?

I don't think it makes sense.

Look, I'm not using strictly deductive processes, so if you trust me I can just say "because I do".

Why would joth self hammer?

[WestCoastDidds]

I just got off work. I’m going to get a beer with debatepro. I’ll be around later, though.

I think that faust also blocked Scola.

[scolapasta]

I just got off work. I’m going to get a beer with debatepro. I’ll be around later, though.

I think that faust also blocked Scola.

Yes, I have been blocked two nights in a row. But I am not scum.

[scolapasta]

So Didds, why is MiX town?

And MiX why is Didds town?

The last scum's a human, also gut.

Why do you so discount the all scum are hosts hypothesis?

I don't think it makes sense.

Look, I'm not using strictly deductive processes, so if you trust me I can just say "because I do".

Why would joth self hammer?

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that one out, too.

[WestCoastDidds]

MIx, I’m sure rye-rye would find your leadership admirable.

Scola, my MO is to choose someone I trust and stand next to them. I trust MiX. So much so that I’m willing to off faust, who I also trusted. I think I read him better than most, but I will fully admit that I can be fooled. When MiX and I are simpatico things are pretty good between us. Otherwise I annoy him and vice verse. Who do you trust?

MiXy, I think yams is town. But I think his powers scream traitor. And his defense (pretty aggro) vs the LL defense (more laid back) is interesting. Go back and read those three pages from an observer and see what you think.

I am rethinking Scola. If Joth doesn’t come back, I’m not sure what purpose he has and he is scummy af

[MiX]

MIx, I’m sure rye-rye would find your leadership admirable.

Scola, my MO is to choose someone I trust and stand next to them. I trust MiX. So much so that I’m willing to off faust, who I also trusted. I think I read him better than most, but I will fully admit that I can be fooled. When MiX and I are simpatico things are pretty good between us. Otherwise I annoy him and vice verse. Who do you trust?

MiXy, I think yams is town. But I think his powers scream traitor. And his defense (pretty aggro) vs the LL defense (more laid back) is interesting. Go back and read those three pages from an observer and see what you think.

I am rethinking Scola. If Joth doesn’t come back, I’m not sure what purpose he has and he is scummy af

Maybe raerae just knows when I'm doing town leadership and anti-town leadership. That might be the key.

I reread the 3 pages (do you use 25 post pages or 50 post pages?) and I can see what you're thinking. I'm just always scared of scum!LL, as we all should.

This game isn't winnable without trust, sadly. We should've trusted faust.....man, I feel bad about that exile.

(off topic: yay portuguese word randomly inserted in a post! although nice is a better word in these circumstances. Or uh..."amigaveis", is how I would put it.)

[MiX]

There's some other things to be said about scola, but that's not a topic for today.

[LaLight]

the fact that I am good as scum shouldn't affect your trust in me

[WestCoastDidds]

You are so, so good at scum LL. It’s unsettling.

So, yams could be a traitor, but I don’t think he scum.

I will try to insert more Portuguese randomly into my posts. I speak French, and a little Spanish, and then enough of everything else to travel. But I am so incredibly impressed by you and faust and calamity’s and everyone else playing in a second language. impressionado! I don’t know the right word for in-game trust, but it’s definitely easier among the folks I interact with most. Aside: I’m super interested in the town core concept. I think we could do this!

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Among the three, I think I trust yams> LL > Scola. I am not sure why it has been such an uphill battle to work with Scola and I feel like at this point it’s scummy. Like literally, he tells me to protect him, I protect him, and he still thinks I’m scum.

Have to go make dinner! Then time for some DNC. Back in a bit.

[MiX]

Impressionada. Words care about gender.

Oh I thought you were scumreading mail-mi, because that's the vibe I got from the 3 pages (also 25).

Really think it's scola? If so, we have XiLo to worry about.

[WestCoastDidds]

When I crate a language, it will have no gender!

So, my last three pages read has yams being way more aggressive in his defense and LL playing it lowkey. I haven’t read super closely because it as been a day, but LL does that lowkey this g whe he’s scum. I am not sure about yams, though. The last time he was scum was when he, EFHW, and e held  SwowlDidds hostage and that was super aggro, but also it was a strange game. (He was a WW with me in a multi all game, but I’m not counting that.

I think yams could be the traitor, but I don’t think he’s scum. He messsaged me the very first day. Used his name, said he could help hosts. It gave me pause, but it definitely wasn’t a scum move because he knew I could out him for doing it.

LL is being lowkey, but Scola is just being stubborn and wrong. I would have thought that not dying would have changed his mind about me/us. That it didn’t makes me wonder if it really has been the two nights of blocking that has kept you and I alive.

And as I was writing I started thinking about Joth. If Scola is his budddy (all scum could be hosts! Ha) hammering himself makes sense he had it kept Scola safe and gave him some cover. I am not sure why Joth would try the traitor appeal with LL though.

But I thought and still think that there is a scum human. I wish Scola would try to help us figure out who it is. Por favor.

What is the deal with your shots? You have a shot but it only works on a host? What about yams and LL?  LaLight...what did you learn last night, today? Yams, what powers do you have left?

[MiX]

It can easily be LL, right? But if your redirection works, then we can kill both mail-mi AND LL. And that seems like the best mechanical play.

I don't know what this game was trying to do when it was designed, but it's sure making me want to flip every human so I can see red.

I don't see an all scum host game. Maybe I'm pushing for their wincon by voting mail-mi, but...

[scolapasta]

So in this human scum game, can humans perform a NK?

[MiX]

So in this human scum game, can humans perform a NK?

Either yes, or mail-mi is scum.

[scolapasta]

So "either yes" means Lalight - then why so many nights without NKs?

and if mai-mi you're saying he cannot NK?

[MiX]

So "either yes" means Lalight - then why so many nights without NKs?

and if mai-mi you're saying he cannot NK?

Because I don't know, ask LL.

I am, yes, that's LL's theory and I like it.

[WestCoastDidds]

It can easily be LL, right? But if your redirection works, then we can kill both mail-mi AND LL. And that seems like the best mechanical play.

I don't know what this game was trying to do when it was designed, but it's sure making me want to flip every human so I can see red.

I don't see an all scum host game. Maybe I'm pushing for their wincon by voting mail-mi, but...

Kill them both... how do we do that? Exile one now, redirect to the other?

[WestCoastDidds]

If Scola is scum, and we exile yams then Scola can kill.

[WestCoastDidds]

Or in other words, why not LL first?

[MiX]

It can easily be LL, right? But if your redirection works, then we can kill both mail-mi AND LL. And that seems like the best mechanical play.

I don't know what this game was trying to do when it was designed, but it's sure making me want to flip every human so I can see red.

I don't see an all scum host game. Maybe I'm pushing for their wincon by voting mail-mi, but...

Kill them both... how do we do that? Exile one now, redirect to the other?

Exile one, shoot the other.

Remember to redirect (scola/MiX) to (ADK/Awaclus/joth) by the way. If you're successful, then my plan works, otherwise...it doesn't.

Or in other words, why not LL first?

Then I can't shoot mail-mi.

[scolapasta]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

MiX, Didds, did you have any thoughts on the above? (and LL, for that matter)

[MiX]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

MiX, Didds, did you have any thoughts on the above? (and LL, for that matter)

So it's you...? I don't get it.

I don't think MiX's scum, he's been trying to solve the game and coordinate, scum just sits back and watches us kill each other.

[scolapasta]

if someone is outed as scum you can message them so they will target you for maintenance

And so why didn't I do that?

Let's look at the traitor!mail-mi scenario. Joth is rezzed by swowl. Since he wasn't rezzed by me, I know that he's scum. In what world do I not message joth and say "hey, I'm the human traitor, when you die again, maintenance with me."? Answer: in this world. because I'm not a traitor.

This does make sense to me. Any reason why it doesn't to others?

I'd still like to exile MiX, fyi. He continues to push exiling mail-mi and still pings my scum radar.

MiX, Didds, did you have any thoughts on the above? (and LL, for that matter)

So it's you...? I don't get it.

I don't think MiX's scum, he's been trying to solve the game and coordinate, scum just sits back and watches us kill each other.

You get that I'm asking about what what mail-mi said, no?

[MiX]

Okay let's explore mail-mi's scenario:

If he's scum, he would've said something, right? So he can't be scum. By the same logic, LL can't be scum. Ergo, scola or Didds is scum, so scola's scum.

This seems wrong.

[scolapasta]

Okay let's explore mail-mi's scenario:

If he's scum, he would've said something, right? So he can't be scum. By the same logic, LL can't be scum. Ergo, scola or Didds is scum, so scola's scum.

This seems wrong.

well, first of all, how does that logic work for LL?

second, this doesn't actually answer my question. at all. and you ignore you could be scum, which is fine for you, but irrelevant for the rest of us.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams is at x1?

[MiX]

Okay let's explore mail-mi's scenario:

If he's scum, he would've said something, right? So he can't be scum. By the same logic, LL can't be scum. Ergo, scola or Didds is scum, so scola's scum.

This seems wrong.

well, first of all, how does that logic work for LL?

second, this doesn't actually answer my question. at all. and you ignore you could be scum, which is fine for you, but irrelevant for the rest of us.

What's your question then?

Yams is at x1?

I believe so, yes.

[scolapasta]

Okay let's explore mail-mi's scenario:

If he's scum, he would've said something, right? So he can't be scum. By the same logic, LL can't be scum. Ergo, scola or Didds is scum, so scola's scum.

This seems wrong.

well, first of all, how does that logic work for LL?

second, this doesn't actually answer my question. at all. and you ignore you could be scum, which is fine for you, but irrelevant for the rest of us.

What's your question then?

Yams is at x1?

I believe so, yes.

mail-mi's scenario seems legit to me. if he were scum, then wouldn't he have had joth target him for maintenance?

[MiX]

mail-mi's scenario seems legit to me. if he were scum, then wouldn't he have had joth target him for maintenance?

By the same argument, LL would've rezzed joth if he was scum. Right?

Why are we assuming joth wanted to be rezzed this night?

[Archetype]

Vote Count 7.1

mail-mi (2): LaLight, MiX
scolapasta (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to Exile. Day 7 will end August 26th at 4:00 am Forum Time

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning, friends.

Well, in the interest of moving things along, I’ll hammer yams later today so we can get this thing moving along unless you have a better idea, Scola and/or Mix.

MiX, would you be able to shoot LL during the night?

[WestCoastDidds]

Unless in the clear light of a new day, we now think that Scola is scum instead of one of the humans.

But I’m still stuck on Faust’s insistence that there is human scum. So, I guess our off the humans plan is better. (Sheesh...how very host of us)

[scolapasta]

I'd ask that we hold off on the hammer. We have time.

I spent last night rereading D1. I was planning on continuing that tonight / this weekend.

[MiX]

I'd ask that we hold off on the hammer. We have time.

I spent last night rereading D1. I was planning on continuing that tonight / this weekend.

What were you looking for?

If you wanna do stuff, we can wait, but I don't think we can do much considering last scum could just be a traitor.

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay... as long as you can promise me that you are actually doing an open minded read and not just tunneling your all scum host theory. Is that fair?

[mail-mi]

Please don't hammer yet, I have a few things to say.

[scolapasta]

Okay... as long as you can promise me that you are actually doing an open minded read and not just tunneling your all scum host theory. Is that fair?

Ha! That's fair. Of course, I am definitely looking for evidence for my theory, but am trying also find evidence against it.

[MiX]

Unvote

[mail-mi]

I hate how inevitable my exile feels. I bet this is how faust felt yesterday, knowing that there was nothing he could do about the exile.

Here's what I'm worried about: a joth/LL/scola team. I think it's the most likely option right now (knowing that I'm town). It makes sense with scola being blocked and everything. Joth could easily have told traitor!LL that scola is his partner last night.

Wait, hm. I guess that doesn't make any sense, because if LL rezzes joth, then they control 50% of town and they win (probably). So never mind, ignore that scenario.

Anyway, I know that scola has been blocked and there have been no NKs. I think that's better evidence than anything that's been brought against me.

[MiX]

Vote: mail-mi

[scolapasta]

I hate how inevitable my exile feels. I bet this is how faust felt yesterday, knowing that there was nothing he could do about the exile.

Here's what I'm worried about: a joth/LL/scola team. I think it's the most likely option right now (knowing that I'm town). It makes sense with scola being blocked and everything. Joth could easily have told traitor!LL that scola is his partner last night.

Wait, hm. I guess that doesn't make any sense, because if LL rezzes joth, then they control 50% of town and they win (probably). So never mind, ignore that scenario.

Anyway, I know that scola has been blocked and there have been no NKs. I think that's better evidence than anything that's been brought against me.

You know, if I weren't me - I'd agree with this logic. In fact I think I did agree back when we exiled ADK.

I think the main reason not to exile me is that I currently be massacred by joth. But honestly, between that or exiling mail-mi, I think I'd prefer we exile me.

Then when the game is not over, it'll be clear I'm not scum* and someone can rezz me. and maybe joth can't get rezzed, so that doesn't have to be as much of a concern.

* either because another NK happens; or no NK happens which would should no NK could be from a different cause than my getting blocked.

All that said, I'd still like to continue my reread.

LL, could you unvote right now? After I will add something else.

[MiX]

Unvote

[LaLight]

Unvote

Sorry, I have a huge ruckus for this and probably the next day

[mail-mi]

I hate how inevitable my exile feels. I bet this is how faust felt yesterday, knowing that there was nothing he could do about the exile.

Here's what I'm worried about: a joth/LL/scola team. I think it's the most likely option right now (knowing that I'm town). It makes sense with scola being blocked and everything. Joth could easily have told traitor!LL that scola is his partner last night.

Wait, hm. I guess that doesn't make any sense, because if LL rezzes joth, then they control 50% of town and they win (probably). So never mind, ignore that scenario.

Anyway, I know that scola has been blocked and there have been no NKs. I think that's better evidence than anything that's been brought against me.

You know, if I weren't me - I'd agree with this logic. In fact I think I did agree back when we exiled ADK.

I think the main reason not to exile me is that I currently be massacred by joth. But honestly, between that or exiling mail-mi, I think I'd prefer we exile me.

Then when the game is not over, it'll be clear I'm not scum* and someone can rezz me. and maybe joth can't get rezzed, so that doesn't have to be as much of a concern.

* either because another NK happens; or no NK happens which would should no NK could be from a different cause than my getting blocked.

All that said, I'd still like to continue my reread.

LL, could you unvote right now? After I will add something else.

Classic scumslip right there.

At least, I've been able to find scum by watching them say "Your arguments are good, and I agree-except I'm town" several times. Don't remember any specific examples, but I know I've been caught the same way too.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, do you only have one shot?

Yams, can you reload shots or give shots to hosts?

[WestCoastDidds]

If we really want to entertain Scola/LL/Joth...Mix can shoot Scola and we exile LL, yeah?

[mail-mi]

MiX, do you only have one shot?

Yams, can you reload shots or give shots to hosts?

Unfortunately not.

[mail-mi]

If we really want to entertain Scola/LL/Joth...Mix can shoot Scola and we exile LL, yeah?

I mean... we could? I was trying to make that argument, but then there's no reason for LL to not rez joth. Then they have 50% and (most likely) win.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, I figured that out right after I posted

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, do you only have one shot?

Yams, can you reload shots or give shots to hosts?

Unfortunately not.

Sheesh! Perhaps cake would be a good consolation prize. But IRL cake.

[scolapasta]

I hate how inevitable my exile feels. I bet this is how faust felt yesterday, knowing that there was nothing he could do about the exile.

Here's what I'm worried about: a joth/LL/scola team. I think it's the most likely option right now (knowing that I'm town). It makes sense with scola being blocked and everything. Joth could easily have told traitor!LL that scola is his partner last night.

Wait, hm. I guess that doesn't make any sense, because if LL rezzes joth, then they control 50% of town and they win (probably). So never mind, ignore that scenario.

Anyway, I know that scola has been blocked and there have been no NKs. I think that's better evidence than anything that's been brought against me.

You know, if I weren't me - I'd agree with this logic. In fact I think I did agree back when we exiled ADK.

I think the main reason not to exile me is that I currently be massacred by joth. But honestly, between that or exiling mail-mi, I think I'd prefer we exile me.

Then when the game is not over, it'll be clear I'm not scum* and someone can rezz me. and maybe joth can't get rezzed, so that doesn't have to be as much of a concern.

* either because another NK happens; or no NK happens which would should no NK could be from a different cause than my getting blocked.

All that said, I'd still like to continue my reread.

LL, could you unvote right now? After I will add something else.

Classic scumslip right there.

At least, I've been able to find scum by watching them say "Your arguments are good, and I agree-except I'm town" several times. Don't remember any specific examples, but I know I've been caught the same way too.

Sure, or it could just be NAI, because the "I've been blocked" and no NKs does make sense.

There was a recent game where someone made a good argument against me and I said the same type of thing... and was exiled as town.

[scolapasta]

So, my other thought - MiX why did you unvote and then revote mail-mi after he posted #1937?

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay...trying to think through LL.

If rezzes Joth, Joth massacres himself, me, and MiX.... that leaves LL, yams, and Scola so they lose because LL gets exiled.

So, it’s smarter to NOT fix Joth, tell everyone that he didn’t so get gets the towncred.

That works, yeah? But it makes Scola town.

[LaLight]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

[mail-mi]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

[LaLight]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

[WestCoastDidds]

Still thinking through LL

If his play was towncred... if yams gets exiled, assume no NK...The tomorrow it’s Joth, MiX, WCD, Scola, and LL.
Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me. That leaves Scola and LL. Scum wins.

[WestCoastDidds]

(I know that’s what you said yams, I just had to work through it)

[WestCoastDidds]

So, when we were in the process of exiling faust, MiX was clear that it would be faust then LL.

If LL is scum, he had to have a plan to shift that focus. The Joth revelation does that.

This works, I think.

MiX, yams, where are the holes?

[mail-mi]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

3rd party as "needing to find all your powers" and not needing a kill to do that--in fact, having a kill would be an antithesis to that because it would speed up the game.

[mail-mi]

So, when we were in the process of exiling faust, MiX was clear that it would be faust then LL.

If LL is scum, he had to have a plan to shift that focus. The Joth revelation does that.

This works, I think.

MiX, yams, where are the holes?

There is one hole. town could quickhammer joth tomorrow if they get on before he does.

But that's reliant on the 3 town players logging in before joth does, and on them deciding to quicklynch joth. So the plan is still pretty solid.

[MiX]

Still thinking through LL

If his play was towncred... if yams gets exiled, assume no NK...The tomorrow it’s Joth, MiX, WCD, Scola, and LL.
Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me. That leaves Scola and LL. Scum wins.

If we all live, I can shoot LL and win.

[WestCoastDidds]

That’s if we exile yams?

[WestCoastDidds]

Still thinking through LL

If his play was towncred... if yams gets exiled, assume no NK...The tomorrow it’s Joth, MiX, WCD, Scola, and LL.
Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me. That leaves Scola and LL. Scum wins.

If we all live, I can shoot LL and win.

But it would be a race, right? Shoot LL before Joth massacres

[WestCoastDidds]

I think I have convinced myself that exiling LL is better than yams.

I’m willing to be convinced otherwise, though.

[scolapasta]

I still want to keep rereading, but I'm more likely to vote ll than yams.

[LaLight]

Vote: mail-mi then.

[MiX]

Still thinking through LL

If his play was towncred... if yams gets exiled, assume no NK...The tomorrow it’s Joth, MiX, WCD, Scola, and LL.
Joth massacres himself, MiX, and me. That leaves Scola and LL. Scum wins.

If we all live, I can shoot LL and win.

But it would be a race, right? Shoot LL before Joth massacres

Yeah, but most likely both go through.

[MiX]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

3rd party as "needing to find all your powers" and not needing a kill to do that--in fact, having a kill would be an antithesis to that because it would speed up the game.

If LL's a third-party, why did joth hammer himself?

Vote: mail-mi

[LaLight]

I have no idea what else to tell you, I am sorry.

[LaLight]

it might be that scola and mm are both scum and WCD naturally doesn't trust me in endgame and I can understand that.

[mail-mi]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

3rd party as "needing to find all your powers" and not needing a kill to do that--in fact, having a kill would be an antithesis to that because it would speed up the game.

If LL's a third-party, why did joth hammer himself?

Vote: mail-mi

I'm not making the argument that LaLight is thirdparty, I'm just saying it's a possibility.

It looks like it's going to be me or Vote: LaLight today. Scum is him or scola. Obv. I prefer scola, but it looks like we're exiling a human today.

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola asked for the weekend to read. Unless that is actually scummy I’m inclined to give him the time.

[WestCoastDidds]

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

3rd party as "needing to find all your powers" and not needing a kill to do that--in fact, having a kill would be an antithesis to that because it would speed up the game.

If LL's a third-party, why did joth hammer himself?

Vote: mail-mi

I don’t follow. Can you explain for the kids in back?

[MiX]

Scola asked for the weekend to read. Unless that is actually scummy I’m inclined to give him the time.

Weekend? That's like, boring.

Unvote

there is a point where getting towncred isn't necessary any more. scum does what scum does. I would rez joth, he would massacre and I would hope to lynch mail-mi or something.

No, I think WCD is onto something. If you get the towncred from not rezzing joth, then lynch me or scola, then rez joth tomorrow and get him to massacre everyone before he and you can be lynched, then scum has 50% and (probably) wins.

We also can't forget that you're the most likely of all of us to be 3rd party.

can you please answer, what is the point of me being 3rd party without killing actions?

3rd party as "needing to find all your powers" and not needing a kill to do that--in fact, having a kill would be an antithesis to that because it would speed up the game.

If LL's a third-party, why did joth hammer himself?

Vote: mail-mi

I don’t follow. Can you explain for the kids in back?

Follow what?

[WestCoastDidds]

It is boring, I agree. But I trying to be accommodating instead of just being a Jabroni.

Why did Joth hammer himself? What does it have to do with LL?

[MiX]

It is boring, I agree. But I trying to be accommodating instead of just being a Jabroni.

Why did Joth hammer himself? What does it have to do with LL?

Well, joth hammered himself because that helped the living scum. Therefore, there's living scum.

Also, hold on.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, but it could be LL

[WestCoastDidds]

I get it now. It’s a reason that LL isn’t third party, but he (or anyone) could be scum

[MiX]

Also, let's not forget that LaLight has a perfect a) third party role (perhaps all scum are hosts and he's a third party that is considered a "thread to town"), or b) if he's scum, he has a rolecop right there.

"But mail-mi," LaLight says, "why was the first power I had to find of my partner?" Because it's a gambit. You already knew your partner's power, so you claimed that it's the first one you needed to find for distancing and cover purposes. Or maybe it was a gimme. I don't know the game design.

Point is, arguing mechanics is not convincing--especially since LaLight seems to be ignoring the parts of my role that are definitely town-aligned (read: resurrecting only townies).

This is the scumslip. Read the win condition again:

Alignment: Town
Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

Important bit bolded for your convenience.

Mail-mi is not town.

I'll hammer once scola votes mail-mi, but he might be coming up with something good.

[mail-mi]

Also, let's not forget that LaLight has a perfect a) third party role (perhaps all scum are hosts and he's a third party that is considered a "thread to town"), or b) if he's scum, he has a rolecop right there.

"But mail-mi," LaLight says, "why was the first power I had to find of my partner?" Because it's a gambit. You already knew your partner's power, so you claimed that it's the first one you needed to find for distancing and cover purposes. Or maybe it was a gimme. I don't know the game design.

Point is, arguing mechanics is not convincing--especially since LaLight seems to be ignoring the parts of my role that are definitely town-aligned (read: resurrecting only townies).

This is the scumslip. Read the win condition again:

Alignment: Town
Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

Important bit bolded for your convenience.

Mail-mi is not town.

I'll hammer once scola votes mail-mi, but he might be coming up with something good.

Dude, not a scumslip. I haven't looked at my win condition since the beginning of the game. I just assumed it was the same as most other town wincons, with the host thing added.

But that does rule out LL being a third-party that is a threat to town, which is a good find.

[MiX]

Also, let's not forget that LaLight has a perfect a) third party role (perhaps all scum are hosts and he's a third party that is considered a "thread to town"), or b) if he's scum, he has a rolecop right there.

"But mail-mi," LaLight says, "why was the first power I had to find of my partner?" Because it's a gambit. You already knew your partner's power, so you claimed that it's the first one you needed to find for distancing and cover purposes. Or maybe it was a gimme. I don't know the game design.

Point is, arguing mechanics is not convincing--especially since LaLight seems to be ignoring the parts of my role that are definitely town-aligned (read: resurrecting only townies).

This is the scumslip. Read the win condition again:

Alignment: Town
Win Condition: You win when all Mafia-aligned players are Dead and there is at least one Living Town Host.

Important bit bolded for your convenience.

Mail-mi is not town.

I'll hammer once scola votes mail-mi, but he might be coming up with something good.

Dude, not a scumslip. I haven't looked at my win condition since the beginning of the game. I just assumed it was the same as most other town wincons, with the host thing added.

But that does rule out LL being a third-party that is a threat to town, which is a good find.

Fine. But you're still scum.

The important part is, if LL's scum, what is happening with this game.

[mail-mi]

Fine. But you're still scum.

The important part is, if LL's scum, what is happening with this game.

Or we could agree on Scola being scum.

[MiX]

Fine. But you're still scum.

The important part is, if LL's scum, what is happening with this game.

Or we could agree on Scola being scum.

But we don't.

[WestCoastDidds]

We could, though

[scolapasta]

Fine. But you're still scum.

The important part is, if LL's scum, what is happening with this game.

Or we could agree on Scola being scum.

But we don't.

MiX why don't you think I'm scum?

[MiX]

Fine. But you're still scum.

The important part is, if LL's scum, what is happening with this game.

Or we could agree on Scola being scum.

But we don't.

MiX why don't you think I'm scum?

Weird question.

I think there's a scum human, and I think you're a host.

[WestCoastDidds]

Waiting on Scola to read is hard!

Whats going on with you is, MiX? Is school back in session?

LL, how are things? You’re back at work? Is it going okay?

Yams, do you have school this semester? How’s the wife and the future baby yams?

Scola, I’m. It going to ask you questions to distract you from the reading, but I hope that you’re doing well and that your car is being fixed!

Joth, you still reading? Miss you! I like when you sing songs on FB and I want your parents to adopt me. They are the cutest.

[MiX]

Nope! Starts somewhere in September, don't care until then. Having time for mafia all day feels great.

[WestCoastDidds]

Nope! Starts somewhere in September, don't care until then. Having time for mafia all day feels great.

That’s awesome! Will you have time to do anything more fun than play with us?? What kids of things do you like to do on during the break besides sleep more an not do math.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 7.2

mail-mi (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (3): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, MiX

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to Exile. Day 7 will end August 26th at 4:00 am Forum Time

[LaLight]

I am back to work and also we have a fast and spectacular development: our shop now has an office (since last Saturday), we make a bit more money and we have a third person joining us. But it's also very hard to make everything: ordering office supplies, making accounting work, couriering and all that jazz. Me and my mom, we work a lot, we are pretty exhausted, but we are absolutely love the fact that the shop really seems to be doing great!

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, LaLight! That’s such good news!

And at least busy, flourishing work tired is a familiar and steady feeling instead of the weirdo, bored with everything quarantine tired.

Good luck!

[scolapasta]

Still working on the reread - weekend finally starting!

But I have concluded that my hypothesis that MiX and Didds are the last two scum is wrong. So there's that.

[mail-mi]

Yams, do you have school this semester? How’s the wife and the future baby yams?

School starts in 10 days for me, and she's doing well! We're entering the third trimester, and things are getting uncomfortable again.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yams, do you have school this semester? How’s the wife and the future baby yams?

School starts in 10 days for me, and she's doing well! We're entering the third trimester, and things are getting uncomfortable again.

Will you be in person or remote? Third trimester! So exciting!!! Dude, you’re gonna be a daddy yams!

[WestCoastDidds]

Still working on the reread - weekend finally starting!

But I have concluded that my hypothesis that MiX and Didds are the last two scum is wrong. So there's that.

It would be awesome is you could discern the scum between yams and LL!

[scolapasta]

Still working on the reread - weekend finally starting!

But I have concluded that my hypothesis that MiX and Didds are the last two scum is wrong. So there's that.

It would be awesome is you could discern the scum between yams and LL!

Well, it could still be you OR MiX.

But yeah, I'm working in it.

[MiX]

Still working on the reread - weekend finally starting!

But I have concluded that my hypothesis that MiX and Didds are the last two scum is wrong. So there's that.

How?

Did it take this long to do that?

Still working on the reread - weekend finally starting!

But I have concluded that my hypothesis that MiX and Didds are the last two scum is wrong. So there's that.

It would be awesome is you could discern the scum between yams and LL!

Well, it could still be you OR MiX.

But yeah, I'm working in it.

Can you share more than conclusions?

I'm asking more than I deserve, but meh.

[mail-mi]

Yams, do you have school this semester? How’s the wife and the future baby yams?

School starts in 10 days for me, and she's doing well! We're entering the third trimester, and things are getting uncomfortable again.

Will you be in person or remote? Third trimester! So exciting!!! Dude, you’re gonna be a daddy yams!

I've got like half online classes, half in person. I know! It's so exciting!

[mail-mi]

So, scola, any updates?

[MiX]

Prod dodge?

[WestCoastDidds]

Scola, Scola Scola. We all wait for scola.

[WestCoastDidds]

In other news, I made oatmeal cookies and they are really good!

Oatmeal raisin for debate
Oatmeal cranberry for people who don’t like raisins (all sane people)
Oatmeal chocolate and butterscotch chip for the rest of the family

[scolapasta]

Hi all. Busy weekend. Finally got around to rereading some, man there's too much. I got through maybe 1000 posts.

Honestly, I'm mostly as lost as ever.

Here is one post that did jump out at me:

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

On the one hand, scum slip? But on the other, feels like something scum would be extra careful to let slip (i.e. in the few games, I'm not sure if I've seen any actual scumslip).

I also have been thinking about D1 where Lalight was happy to exile ADK (via his power). Can people remind em again why we think ADK is scum? Because if he is, we know (as much as we can) now that scum wanted to kill a scum host early (as they killed joth N1). Could Lalight trying to get ADK exiled have been v1 of this plan?

Also, faust's PR had a clause in it about humans killing him. Would that help confirm that there is a scum human? Or would that just be a red herring Archtype would throw into this game?

Does any of this help any one???

[MiX]

Also, faust's PR had a clause in it about humans killing him. Would that help confirm that there is a scum human? Or would that just be a red herring Archtype would throw into this game?

Does any of this help any one???

If I had a single shred of sanity left in this game, I would say that means LL must be scum, as they're the only human that can kill humans, since it makes a lot more sense that mail-mi can't than LL.

But I don't, so confirmation bias says "scola is town, Didds is town, mail-mi is scum" is my conclusion from that.

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

[scolapasta]

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

[scolapasta]

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

Oh, but I guess mail-mi knew about scum hosts at least. so it could just be mail-mi slip.

[MiX]

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

You're taking that quote out of context. At the time, a host/human cop is good so scum knows to kill humans, since those die permanently.

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

Oh, but I guess mail-mi knew about scum hosts at least. so it could just be mail-mi slip.

He did? How?

[scolapasta]

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

You're taking that quote out of context. At the time, a host/human cop is good so scum knows to kill humans, since those die permanently.

I don't think it's out of context. I agree that is what he could've meant. But I do think he might have written it more precisely then, and writing it this way could be a slip. (or at least, again, if he were scum, he would be careful not to write it this way). But again, this may be moot since he had more knowledge.

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

Oh, but I guess mail-mi knew about scum hosts at least. so it could just be mail-mi slip.

He did? How?

Because he knew that he had the passive ability that if he dies, hosts can kill humans.

[scolapasta]

I don't understand how the post you quoted is a scumslip.

At the time we didn't know that scum (or at least scum hosts) couldn't kill humans.

You're taking that quote out of context. At the time, a host/human cop is good so scum knows to kill humans, since those die permanently.

I don't think it's out of context. I agree that is what he could've meant. But I do think he might have written it more precisely then, and writing it this way could be a slip. (or at least, again, if he were scum, he would be careful not to write it this way). But again, this may be moot since he had more knowledge.

Well, now I'm just going to argue with myself. It's not moot, because even though town-mi would know that hosts couldn't kill humans, he wouldn't know that scum couldn't kill humans.

[MiX]

Huh. I agree that does sound like a scumslip. Or at the very least, something that is inconsistent with his claimed knowledge. With the ability he had, a host/human cop doesn't help scum, since they can't really kill anyone. Although if mail-mi's town, surely there's a way around this.

Not conclusive, but I like the argument.

[scolapasta]

I guess the fact that you can send a message doesn't necessarily mean that the message will be received by Humans.

mail-mi did you ever confirm this with archtype? if not could you?

[scolapasta]

Hi hi hi hi!

I hope that you all are doing well and holding up okay under the continued weirdness. Or at least it’s continued weirdness where I live.  My town opened up, a bajillion young people converged on it, there is a big spike, we closed back down.... it feels like Before Time was soooooo long ago.

I have questions about the humans and hosts and coming back to life, bring back to life that I’m sure will be clarified before I actually need to ask them. I’m especially curious about what the ratio might be. Lost of hosts, or not very many?

Another post I noticed - WCD wanting to know more about who is human vs hosts. Could be nothing, but scum early on would be host hunting.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 7.3 (No Change)

mail-mi (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (3): WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, MiX

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to Exile. Day 7 will end August 26th at 4:00 am Forum Time (~2 Days)

[WestCoastDidds]

I wasn’t host hunting, for huntings sake. I was trying to determine how important my host stays was and how closely I needed to guard it.  Was I the golden child or were there other town hosts.

[WestCoastDidds]

All in all, it looks like Scola a read is yams is more likely to be scum.

Are we ready to do this?

[MiX]

All in all, it looks like Scola a read is yams is more likely to be scum.

Are we ready to do this?

I am.

Vote: mail-mi

I wasn’t host hunting, for huntings sake. I was trying to determine how important my host stays was and how closely I needed to guard it.  Was I the golden child or were there other town hosts.

It's weird that people thought they were alone in their hostness. I guess given I had an ability than only worked when I was revived, I never thought about it, but so did Didds, so I don't get it.

[WestCoastDidds]

In the unfortunate events game, there were three children and one of us had to be alive to win. That was my only frame of reference for that kind of win con.

I didn’t think I was the only one, but I wondered what the limited resource was...hosts or humans to revive them.

It was my very post in the game. So this was wondering with no information.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, anything to know or discuss before I hammer?

[MiX]

MiX, anything to know or discuss before I hammer?

Not me.

In the unfortunate events game, there were three children and one of us had to be alive to win. That was my only frame of reference for that kind of win con.

I didn’t think I was the only one, but I wondered what the limited resource was...hosts or humans to revive them.

It was my very post in the game. So this was wondering with no information.

Hmm. Well, okay.

[MiX]

MiX, anything to know or discuss before I hammer?

Not me.

Wait, what does this mean, did I misread your question?

I have nothing else to add. Just the targeting tip I gave earlier.

[mail-mi]

Also, faust's PR had a clause in it about humans killing him. Would that help confirm that there is a scum human? Or would that just be a red herring Archtype would throw into this game?

Does any of this help any one???

If I had a single shred of sanity left in this game, I would say that means LL must be scum, as they're the only human that can kill humans, since it makes a lot more sense that mail-mi can't than LL.

But I don't, so confirmation bias says "scola is town, Didds is town, mail-mi is scum" is my conclusion from that.

So, what you're saying is, you've realized that the evidence brought up means your reads are likely wrong, but you're just going to go with them anyway? That's... a really bad reason to exile me.

[mail-mi]

Here's one more thing to think about: Scum having a host/human cop would be very useful to them, so they can find who they can actually kill.

ADK, do you have any more powers?

On the one hand, scum slip? But on the other, feels like something scum would be extra careful to let slip (i.e. in the few games, I'm not sure if I've seen any actual scumslip).

Dude, you've taken this post completely out of context. First of all, that was during the day where we were discussing whether it was best to kill humans (gives us information) or hosts (if we're wrong they can come back) so "actually kill" didn't mean "able to kill" but "kill without worry of the target coming back." Secondly, with my power, I'm thinking that at least one scum has to be a host, otherwise what's the point of my power?

[mail-mi]

I guess the fact that you can send a message doesn't necessarily mean that the message will be received by Humans.

mail-mi did you ever confirm this with archtype? if not could you?

I never confirmed it, I'll go ask him.

[scolapasta]

To be clear, I am not more certain of scum-mi than LaScum. as I said, I thought this post was interesting, but I've never been in a game with actual scumslip. Plus, I think scum would be more careful not to reveal something.

So I might be pointing more to LaLight, if it's a human.

At the very least, before you hammer, let's wait for mail-mil to ask archtype the question I've asked him.

Oh, and mail-mi have you messaged any hosts today?

[mail-mi]

To be clear, I am not more certain of scum-mi than LaScum. as I said, I thought this post was interesting, but I've never been in a game with actual scumslip. Plus, I think scum would be more careful not to reveal something.

So I might be pointing more to LaLight, if it's a human.

At the very least, before you hammer, let's wait for mail-mil to ask archtype the question I've asked him.

Oh, and mail-mi have you messaged any hosts today?

No, I haven't.

[scolapasta]

Another thing pointing to mail-mi over lalight is the design - if it a human:

a) who can't do NKs, probably makes more sense to be the one who doesn't have night actions
b) flavor wise, Robert Ford would make more sense than the man in black, who would have dome anything
c) the fact that joth had that vig he gave out,
i.e. scum can't kill humans, so from d1 they want to try to exile humans over hosts, and if they have to sacrifice Ford as an exile. But if they can't do that, then they get a vig that they can use to kill him, if needed and open up the floodgates.

Aack. I mean I guess I'm not really needed anyway. with LaLight voting mail-mi and vice versa, all that is needed is for two or three of us (Didds, Mix, and me).

[scolapasta]

Also, and I'm sure you all figured this out, already, but:

it can't be Mix by himself
it can't be Mix and Didds
so if it is Mix, it's Mix and a human

It could be Didds by herself or either human by themselves (or for that matter, me by myself)

i.e unless it's Didds (or me) one of the humans is definitely scum.

[MiX]

i.e unless it's Didds (or me) one of the humans is definitely scum.

I mean, yeah. This was known yesterday too.

it can't be Mix and Didds

This wasn't. Is this deductive, or a read?

[scolapasta]

i.e unless it's Didds (or me) one of the humans is definitely scum.

I mean, yeah. This was known yesterday too.

Yeah, but I'm slow. I don't blame myself, but my programming.

it can't be Mix and Didds

This wasn't. Is this deductive, or a read?

Deductive.

[MiX]

it can't be Mix and Didds

This wasn't. Is this deductive, or a read?

Deductive.

Can you explain it then?

[mail-mi]

Humans will receive my messages.

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay, let’s do this.

Vote: mail-mi

[mail-mi]

*sigh*

[MiX]

*sigh*

Sorry mail-mi.

[scolapasta]

I can't tell if the sigh is:
• I'm town and you've messed up
• I'm scum and my team has now lost.

I guess we'll find out. I do think there's a decent chance it's two, because I don't believe that mail-mi's messages are seen by humans. I think he was hoping that might convince people to still doubt I'm a host and maybe switch their votes.

mail-mil, if you are town, you should send me a message. Though not sure if better to doctor me (though you think I'm scum) or lightning rod me, so LL can't be killed. in fact, better not to tell me. that way if I were scum, I don't know if I can safely target LL or not as that could kill me instead)

* again, I'm not, but this would make sense from your perspective, if you think I could be scum.

This assumes that you can still send a message, I assume you can before the final vote count.

[mail-mi]

I can't tell if the sigh is:
• I'm town and you've messed up
• I'm scum and my team has now lost.

I guess we'll find out. I do think there's a decent chance it's two, because I don't believe that mail-mi's messages are seen by humans. I think he was hoping that might convince people to still doubt I'm a host and maybe switch their votes.

mail-mil, if you are town, you should send me a message. Though not sure if better to doctor me (though you think I'm scum) or lightning rod me, so LL can't be killed. in fact, better not to tell me. that way if I were scum, I don't know if I can safely target LL or not as that could kill me instead)

* again, I'm not, but this would make sense from your perspective, if you think I could be scum.

This assumes that you can still send a message, I assume you can before the final vote count.

I can't use any abilities once twilight has started, and twilight starts as soon as the hammer falls.

[MiX]

I can't tell if the sigh is:
• I'm town and you've messed up
• I'm scum and my team has now lost.

I guess we'll find out. I do think there's a decent chance it's two, because I don't believe that mail-mi's messages are seen by humans. I think he was hoping that might convince people to still doubt I'm a host and maybe switch their votes.

mail-mil, if you are town, you should send me a message. Though not sure if better to doctor me (though you think I'm scum) or lightning rod me, so LL can't be killed. in fact, better not to tell me. that way if I were scum, I don't know if I can safely target LL or not as that could kill me instead)

* again, I'm not, but this would make sense from your perspective, if you think I could be scum.

This assumes that you can still send a message, I assume you can before the final vote count.

I can't use any abilities once twilight has started, and twilight starts as soon as the hammer falls.

Woah. You should've used an ability by now. Why didn't you? We could've just won the game with something you had. Sorry for not remembering everything you had though, I thought your ability died with you.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, anything to know or discuss before I hammer?

This was plenty of notice, yeah?

[scolapasta]

I can't tell if the sigh is:
• I'm town and you've messed up
• I'm scum and my team has now lost.

I guess we'll find out. I do think there's a decent chance it's two, because I don't believe that mail-mi's messages are seen by humans. I think he was hoping that might convince people to still doubt I'm a host and maybe switch their votes.

mail-mil, if you are town, you should send me a message. Though not sure if better to doctor me (though you think I'm scum) or lightning rod me, so LL can't be killed. in fact, better not to tell me. that way if I were scum, I don't know if I can safely target LL or not as that could kill me instead)

* again, I'm not, but this would make sense from your perspective, if you think I could be scum.

This assumes that you can still send a message, I assume you can before the final vote count.

I can't use any abilities once twilight has started, and twilight starts as soon as the hammer falls.

Well, that's unfortunate. I guess this means you are town?

As WCD points out, you did have some warning.

[mail-mi]

I couldn't think of a way to use my abilities well. I guess I could have doctored MiX or something.

LL and/or scola are scum. Good luck guys.

[MiX]

I couldn't think of a way to use my abilities well. I guess I could have doctored MiX or something.

LL and/or scola are scum. Good luck guys.

What...oh my god, you could've done so many things! Doctor's just the start of it. We could've won the game!

Why didn't you talk about this more??

[scolapasta]

Let's assume it's LL, he will bring joth back and joth will massacre himself, Didds and Mix, leaving LL and me. Plus a NK tonight.

Is it worth discussing how to stop this? I have thoughts, but not sure whether it's safe to discuss...

[mail-mi]

I couldn't think of a way to use my abilities well. I guess I could have doctored MiX or something.

LL and/or scola are scum. Good luck guys.

What...oh my god, you could've done so many things! Doctor's just the start of it. We could've won the game!

Why didn't you talk about this more??

The human lightning rod would have only directed LL's actions to one of you three. What else could I have done?

[mail-mi]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

[scolapasta]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

Ha!

[MiX]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

This just hurts more.

Not the part you're omitting, just that you might be trolling as town and my heart can't take it.

Did you message anyone today?

[MiX]

Let's assume it's LL, he will bring joth back and joth will massacre himself, Didds and Mix, leaving LL and me. Plus a NK tonight.

Is it worth discussing how to stop this? I have thoughts, but not sure whether it's safe to discuss...

It's not.

Wait why am I still answering things game related.

I couldn't think of a way to use my abilities well. I guess I could have doctored MiX or something.

LL and/or scola are scum. Good luck guys.

What...oh my god, you could've done so many things! Doctor's just the start of it. We could've won the game!

Why didn't you talk about this more??

The human lightning rod would have only directed LL's actions to one of you three. What else could I have done?

You could've doctored me/scola, Didds redirects the other, and then we can kill LL and still have a shot at winning the game.

Wait, no, I'm wrong, nevermind, since I needed you dead to shoot humans. Yeah you couldn't do much if you're scum.

...are you scum?

[scolapasta]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

Ha!

So did I actually catch a legit scum slip? Do they really exist?

[MiX]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

Ha!

So did I actually catch a legit scum slip? Do they really exist?

No, even knowing mail-mi's scum I don't understand the scumslip. Sure, it comes from a scum mindset, but it could easily come from a town mindset instead. Even with mail-mi's ability, there could be scum humans, and thus scum wants to know who's human so they can shoot them.

But yes, they do exist, and I would link at least one of them here if I didn't expect to be scum with them sometime in the future.

[mail-mi]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

This just hurts more.

Not the part you're omitting, just that you might be trolling as town and my heart can't take it.

Did you message anyone today?

I'm not TELLLING!!!!

Let's assume it's LL, he will bring joth back and joth will massacre himself, Didds and Mix, leaving LL and me. Plus a NK tonight.

Is it worth discussing how to stop this? I have thoughts, but not sure whether it's safe to discuss...

It's not.

Wait why am I still answering things game related.

I couldn't think of a way to use my abilities well. I guess I could have doctored MiX or something.

LL and/or scola are scum. Good luck guys.

What...oh my god, you could've done so many things! Doctor's just the start of it. We could've won the game!

Why didn't you talk about this more??

The human lightning rod would have only directed LL's actions to one of you three. What else could I have done?

You could've doctored me/scola, Didds redirects the other, and then we can kill LL and still have a shot at winning the game.

Wait, no, I'm wrong, nevermind, since I needed you dead to shoot humans. Yeah you couldn't do much if you're scum.

...are you scum?

yeah I'm scum.

[MiX]

Hmm...

I have no words.

Good night everyone!

[scolapasta]

Hmm...

I have no words.

Good night everyone!

Is this a first?

[MiX]

Hmm...

I have no words.

Good night everyone!

Is this a first?

It might be a second, but yeah, it's definitely rare.

[scolapasta]

Lol, I'll stop trolling y'all. I'm scum.

Not gonna tell you if the game is over or not tho.

Ha!

So did I actually catch a legit scum slip? Do they really exist?

No, even knowing mail-mi's scum I don't understand the scumslip. Sure, it comes from a scum mindset, but it could easily come from a town mindset instead. Even with mail-mi's ability, there could be scum humans, and thus scum wants to know who's human so they can shoot them.

But yes, they do exist, and I would link at least one of them here if I didn't expect to be scum with them sometime in the future.

So I know it doesn't matter, but since there's nothing else to do right now while we wait, I just want to be on the same page.

The potential scumslip was asserting plainly that knowing if someone was human or host, scum would know who they could actually kill.

I interpret kill as NK, regardless of whether alignment flips, so this would be something only scum knew at the time.

[MiX]

The potential scumslip was asserting plainly that knowing if someone was human or host, scum would know who they could actually kill.

I interpret kill as NK, regardless of whether alignment flips, so this would be something only scum knew at the time.

Well at the time, me, and I presume all of town, read that as "actually kill and not have them be revived". You can't truly kill hosts this game. Scum NKd twice and both of them were revived. So scum wants to know who humans are so they can NK those. That's why it's not a scumslip in my opinion, since town can think like this. You need to go through some more logic if you have mail-mi's ability, but it's still possible for town to reach this conclusion.

[Archetype]

Thread Locked

[Archetype]

Vote Count 7.FINAL

mail-mi (3): LaLight, MiX, WestCoastDidds
LaLight (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): scolapasta

With 5 alive, it took 3 to Exile.

[Archetype]

The Hosts weren't behaving as they should have been. What could the source of this unrest be? Delos industries realized that the source was Robert Ford. The park director had one last trick up his sleeve, but it was too late...

mail-mi has been Exiled. They were Robert Ford the Mafia Human.


A win condition has been met. Mafia team of jotheonah, A Drowned Kernel, and mail-mi have been eliminated.


TOWN WINS!
 

[Archetype]

Links:

Analysis Mode
Swowl/jotheonah N2 (Maintenance): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/6k6hQtutsZqL
mail-mi/ADK N2 (Diagnostics): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/XpphykAmGh5Bg

WCD/faust N3 (Maintenance): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/rS9cwxr3Sqgg
ADK/faust N3 (Maintenance): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/QvSGBnvg9muJx
mail-mi/Awaclus N3 (Diagnostics): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/eGxxYjVivMqDK

mail-mi/jotheonah N5 (Diagnostics):
https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/CScGjJ45bSL
MiX/LaLight (Maintenance):
https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/4MkdvKfH8JVp

jotheonah/LaLight (Maintenance):
https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/9yBUJLTUHB4w6

Personal Qts
LaLight (Man in Black): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/fxkhQvfsiH6SN
jotheonah (Teddy Flood): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/R6LhtP9Ac8h
Swowl (Lee Sizemore): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/JjkeWaSKjUx
scolapasta (Delores Abernathy): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/ejA95tQVJgF
WestCoastDidds (Maeve Millay): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/HkEGZPuASwhE
mail-mi (Robert Ford): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/VmP5ky6ggFAV
A Drowned Kernel (Clementine Pennyfeather): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/nKaqZ5YewV5
faust (Theresea Cullen): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/wJqaBmq2Wf4pS
Awaclus (Bernard Lowe): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/7zcBZNGdVPq
MiX (Hector Escaton): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/6KPtBujA75Dhu
hypercube (Charlotte Hale): https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/cEq5T8b2r4qN

Mafia Chat: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/dsyC2vQGcETsA
Spectators: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/F4T6BevbRnrjA

[Archetype]

Player Actions:

Day 1:

LaLight guesses WCD (no)

Mail mi tells WCD “This is mail-mi. I have some powers that can benefit Hosts. If you're a host and would like me to use one of them on you, use the word "pineapple" in your next post."”

Night 1:

LaLight visits Awaclus and MiX on Night 1
Faust blocks scolapasta from LaLight, MiX, and WCD
scolapasta Watches LaLight and remembers night 1 with Faust and night 1 with MiX
MiX steals from Faust
jotheonah defends WCD
jotheonah activates Reset Loop
Awaclus Watches LaLight
ADK Greets LaLight
WCD Deflects ADK to jotheonah
Swowl:
Track: [MiX], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight}

Track: [Joth], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, Scolapasta, LaLight, MiX}

Results:
jotheonah dies
Mafia told reset loop has been used and joth will return to life at the end of Night 2
jotheonah is told “WCD and Swowl” Targetted them
Swowl is told “Target 1: No”, “Target 2: No”
ADK is told LaLights abilities
Awaclus is told “Awaclus” as targeting their target
scolapasta is told “No Result” for Watching and No for the others
LaLight is told “Target 1: No” and “Target 2: No”, still have yet to target the owner of the ability
ADK is Ninja N1

Day 2:

LaLight guesses Faust (No)
mail-mi tells jotheonah "This is mail-mi. I am going to try to bring you back to life. You will only come back to life if you're town. I can only do this once per game and creating an IC early I think is the best way to use this." and uses Bring Back Online
mail-mi tells WCD "I have more abilities I can use on hosts, but I can only use one per day."

Night 2:

mail-mi enters Analysis Mode with ADK (Diagnostics)
Swowls enters Analysis Mode with jotheonah (Maintenance)
MiX steals from scolapasta
mail-mi asks "Is ADK a Tracker?"
Swowl fixes jotheonah
scolapasta watches faust and remembers N2 with Didds and mail-mi
LaLight visits hypercube and jotheonah on Night 1
Swowl:
Track: [Awaclus], Valid Targets: {LaLight, MailMi,}

Track: [Faust], Valid Targets: {Awaclus, LL, MailMi}
WestCoastDidds moves all actions on faust to Awaclus

Results:
jotheonah is revived
MiX told "stole the result: yes, power disabled"
mail-mi told "ask result: yes"
scolapasta told : "4 people, first target: no, second target: no"
LaLight told: "First Target: No, Second Target: No" have targeted the owner of the ability 1 time.
Swowl told : "First Target: No, Second Target: No"

Day 3:

mail-mi tells ADK " " and using Turn the Other Cheek (ADK can only be fixed by mail-mi)
mail-mi tells MiX “I am sending this for power confirmation purposes, please post in-thread when you get this.”
LaLight correctly guesses jotheonah and moves to the next ability (owned by Awaclus)
MiX kills WCD
WCD requests faust
ADK requests faust

Night 3:

scolapasta -
Watch: Lalight
Remember: 3 with Swowl
Remember: 3 with MiX

joth-
Kill: Swowl
Defend: mail-mi

Swowl-
Track: [Mail-Mi], Valid Targets: {Faust, MiX, LaLight, ScolaPasta, Swowl, Joth}

Track: [Joth], Valid Targets: {Swowl, LaLight, Mail-Mi}

LaLight-
Visits Faust and Awaclus on N2

faust-
Fix: WestCoastDidds
Fix: A Drowned Kernel
Block: MiX from targets: {faust, LaLight, scolapasta, mail-mi, Awaclus}
uses A Closer Look

Results:
WestCoastDidds comes back to life
Swowl given Bounty Hunting ability
Swowl told First Target: "Yes", Second Target: "Yes"
scolapasta told "1 person" First Target: "No" Second Target: "No"
LaLight told First Target: "Yes" Second Target: "No", targeted the owner of the ability 2 times
faust told Recall Result: "No"
WCD told "jotheonah, mail-mi, MiX" targeted her since she was last Living

Day 4:

ADK requests maintenance from MiX (nothing happens as MiX is Human)
LaLight correctly guesses Awaclus and moves to the next ability (owned by mail-mi)

Night 4:

faust blocks MiX from LaLight, mail-mi, joth, Didds, scolapasta
scolapasta Watches WCD, remembers night 4 with faust and night 4 with joth
joth kills MiX
jotheonah defends LaLight
LaLight visits A Drowned Kernel and WestCoastDidds on Night 3
WCD does nothing

Results:
MiX dies (Hector Escaton, Host)
scolapasta gets told "1 person" "First Target: No" and "Second Target: No"
LaLight gets told "First Target: No" and "Second Target: No" and they have targeted the owner of the Third Ability 0 times

Day 5:

MiX requests maintanence from LaLight
LaLight correctly guesses mail-mi and moves on to the next ability (owned by MiX)

Night 5:

scolapasta watches WCD and remembers 4 with LaLight and Faust
mail-mi asks "Did Joth target Didds N1 and receive the result Swowl, Didds?"
LaLight Fixes MiX
LaLight Vists MiX and mail-mi on Night 4
faust blocks scolapasta from WCD, mail-mi, faust, and joth

Results:
MiX is revived
Mix gets access to his abilities again
scolapasta gets "No Result" and "First Target: No", "Second Target: No"
LaLight gets "First Target: No", "Second Target: No". Targetted the owner of the ability twice
mail-mi gets told "Yes"

Day 6:

MiX attempts to kill mail-mi (fails)
LaLight correctly guesses MiX and moves to the next ability (owned by joth)
joth requests maintenance from LaLight
ADK requests maintenance from scolapasta
mail-mi tells scolapasta "" and uses Freeze All Motor Functions

Night 6:

MiX steals from scolapasta
WCD redirects from scolapasta to jotheonah

scolapasta -
Watch: WCD
Remember: 6 with mail-mi
Remember: 6 with MiX

LaLight visits hypercube and faust on N1

Results:

scolapasta gets told "No Result" "First Target: No", "Second Target: No"
LaLight gets "First Target: No", Second Target: No". Yet to target owner of fifth ability

Day 7:

MiX attempts to kill LaLight (Failed)
ADK requests LaLight
joth requests mail-mi
mail-mi tells joth "I am the human traitor. Maintenance with me tonight to discuss more. Also, if ADK is your partner, he isn't actually permanently dead. He can maintenance with me as well."

[Archetype]

Thread Unlocked!

[MiX]

Refresh, refresh, refresh

Refresh, refresh, refresh

Words cannot describe what I think of this game.

I will read the QTs.

[Swowl]

Good damn job lol
I was dead wrong on that one. Would of def gone LL.

Thanks for the game Arch!

[scolapasta]

You'll see it my QT, but in case you don't look, I didn't fully claim.

My ability to "remember past loops" which gave me yes or no on my targets (if they targeted who I watched) could be used not only on the current night, but on past nights, as well. Seemed like a good thing to hide from scum, though it never came to play (I was blocked 3 nights and only got a result of more than 1 once - and we solved the 4 people in game).

Very cool game, Archetype!

[WestCoastDidds]

Cha cha cha!

The dance never gets old!

[WestCoastDidds]

Refresh, refresh, refresh

Refresh, refresh, refresh

Words cannot describe what I think of this game.

I will read the QTs.

It was totally worth the wait for the huge actions list!

[MiX]

You'll see it my QT, but in case you don't look, I didn't fully claim.

My ability to "remember past loops" which gave me yes or no on my targets (if they targeted who I watched) could be used not only on the current night, but on past nights, as well. Seemed like a good thing to hide from scum, though it never came to play (I was blocked 3 nights and only got a result of more than 1 once - and we solved the 4 people in game).

Very cool game, Archetype!

I still find it weird how our powers interact. Do I steal your result and flip it, or do I leave you with a "No" regardless?

Good damn job lol
I was dead wrong on that one. Would of def gone LL.

Thanks for the game Arch!

Thankfully I didn't follow any reads, lol.

LL was right about the setup solve though, impressive!

[scolapasta]

I still find it weird how our powers interact. Do I steal your result and flip it, or do I leave you with a "No" regardless?

You leave with a No. That's why I didn't think I was roleblocked.

Also, team (town), sorry it tool me for so long to accept that there was human scum. I just didn't really consider human scum couldn't NK, though human traitor now, of course, makes perfect sense.

[MiX]

I still find it weird how our powers interact. Do I steal your result and flip it, or do I leave you with a "No" regardless?

You leave with a No. That's why I didn't think I was roleblocked.

Also, team (town), sorry it tool me for so long to accept that there was human scum. I just didn't really consider human scum couldn't NK, though human traitor now, of course, makes perfect sense.

That's fair, I didn't truly believe it myself until LL put their theory forward.

[WestCoastDidds]

OMG....this was a hard game for scum! And for yams! Props ya‘ll! If Joth guesses yams instead of LL, we’re toast.

[WestCoastDidds]

it might be that scola and mm are both scum and WCD naturally doesn't trust me in endgame and I can understand that.

❤️

[WestCoastDidds]

Thank you, Arch! This was a mindfuck in the best possible way.

MiX, I like it when we work together. I hope the day comes that you stop killing me!

LL, you figured it out!!

[MiX]

I read everything but speccy. Man, poor scum. Every player in this game was in the dark. What a weird game.

I do like how LL's ability shred light on things, especially revealing mail-mi's ability.

Apparently hypercube's role was the most fun one for me to steal, it's sad that we killed him

Wasn't this the game where I scumread Glooble D1? I forgot, it's been like 2 months.

Thank you, Arch! This was a mindfuck in the best possible way.

MiX, I like it when we work together. I hope the day comes that you stop killing me!

LL, you figured it out!!

Yes, it's great! Killing you was part of the trust (and I wanted to reload the shot when I died), no hard feelings?

OMG....this was a hard game for scum! And for yams! Props ya‘ll! If Joth guesses yams instead of LL, we’re toast.

Yeah, I'd have to quickdraw joth, lol. I was getting ready for that.


Thanks Arch, what a wacky and amazing game!

[mail-mi]

Wow. I was trying so hard to be towny, I actually actively hurt my scumteam. In my defense, I didn't know who you guys were.

ADK, I didn't actually think you were scum. I actually got the answer "yes" to you being a tracker, so I used my perma-dead on you to try to rid town of an investigative role!

Joth, as soon as you self-hammered, I should have messaged you and told you I was the traitor. I forgot that I could message dead people. In fact, when you failed to resurrect D2, I should have started coordinating with you. Oh well, the things one wishes he could do better.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiXy, no hard feelings at all but I will continue to harass you anytime you kill me in the middle of a day.

[Archetype]

Thanks everyone playing! Like I mentioned in the speccy, it was intended to last longer than a 11 player game normally would but definitely not this long. With most of the investigative roles garnering information from the mafia kill and that just not happening too often, it made the pieces come together slower for all sides than I intended, but I'm glad they inventively did!

The game was designed around the 1 Human Traitor + 2 Scum Hosts (as someone guessed early on) with the kill restriction since it fit mechanically and thematically. I figured this would become evident over time (though scum had a few ways to get around the restriction) and it would be an easy design mechanic for those who knew the show, so there were a few other things that helped keep it hidden. Overall, I do think the setup was somewhat scumsided (mafia had a few ways to link up that I think went underutilized) and there should have probably have been an ability in addition to hyper's which allowed Town to get an alignment check on Hosts, but it was hard to gauge what the impact of no flip would have on the game and the potential for a never-dying conf!town. Maybe a limit on host resurrection before revealing their true identity would help on both the length/lack info critiques. 

[Archetype]

Also want to apologize for the higher than average mistakes on my end. Towards the end of development I had lost a lot of my work on the setup which led to its recreation having a few things worded poorly and missing prior consideration for other role interactions.

[MiX]

MiXy, no hard feelings at all but I will continue to harass you anytime you kill me in the middle of a day.

Yes please!

Thanks everyone playing! Like I mentioned in the speccy, it was intended to last longer than a 11 player game normally would but definitely not this long. With most of the investigative roles garnering information from the mafia kill and that just not happening too often, it made the pieces come together slower for all sides than I intended, but I'm glad they inventively did!

The game was designed around the 1 Human Traitor + 2 Scum Hosts (as someone guessed early on) with the kill restriction since it fit mechanically and thematically. I figured this would become evident over time (though scum had a few ways to get around the restriction) and it would be an easy design mechanic for those who knew the show, so there were a few other things that helped keep it hidden. Overall, I do think the setup was somewhat scumsided (mafia had a few ways to link up that I think went underutilized) and there should have probably have been an ability in addition to hyper's which allowed Town to get an alignment check on Hosts, but it was hard to gauge what the impact of no flip would have on the game and the potential for a never-dying conf!town. Maybe a limit on host resurrection before revealing their true identity would help on both the length/lack info critiques. 

Given how weak scum were (the traitor needs to flip before they can kill humans? that's the best one to take to XiLo) it's fine that town was also weak. I'd say the worst part about this game is how scum didn't know traitor AND traitor didn't know scum, which made rereading earlier days kinda pointless and misleading. I guess town doesn't know that, but being immune to association reads does turn off one way to scumhunt. Of course, mail-mi had ways to test hosts, and scum could eventually maintenance with the traitor, but it still affects the impact of early day discussion overall.

I guess people don't like "RMM but everyone's weak" as much as "RMM but everyone's strong", but this game was clearly meant to be a change of pace, so I think it works for this type of game. A longer game helps town already anyway.

[Swowl]

Joth you son a gun!

you had me 100% fooled.

Could it be MM? - sure
Could it be Joth? - ok yeah, but MM first
Could they both be town - Somehow yes

Never fucking got to "both skum" lol.

I know it was like moderately accidental, but still ya both hoodwinked the crap out of me on that one. gj.

[Swowl]

Arch - did you pull this game from a set up or was this all you? It was seriously fun. I mean... I hated every second of it lol but it was a blast.

The no flip on certain player bit was a super solid jumping off point. I think it is safe to say that the community is used to being able to "solve" most shit eventually... and bc that was absolutely not the case here it just flipped everyone sideways.

Nice to mix it up every once and a while imo!

[LaLight]

You'll see it my QT, but in case you don't look, I didn't fully claim.

My ability to "remember past loops" which gave me yes or no on my targets (if they targeted who I watched) could be used not only on the current night, but on past nights, as well. Seemed like a good thing to hide from scum, though it never came to play (I was blocked 3 nights and only got a result of more than 1 once - and we solved the 4 people in game).

Very cool game, Archetype!

I still find it weird how our powers interact. Do I steal your result and flip it, or do I leave you with a "No" regardless?

Good damn job lol
I was dead wrong on that one. Would of def gone LL.

Thanks for the game Arch!

Thankfully I didn't follow any reads, lol.

LL was right about the setup solve though, impressive!

THANK YOU!

I feel so goddamn satisfied

[LaLight]

Arch, can you post all thr abilities I was looking for?

[faust]

Well, I guess it didn't help that we exiled the one role that could determine Host alignments on D1.

[jotheonah]

Wow. I was trying so hard to be towny, I actually actively hurt my scumteam. In my defense, I didn't know who you guys were.

ADK, I didn't actually think you were scum. I actually got the answer "yes" to you being a tracker, so I used my perma-dead on you to try to rid town of an investigative role!

Joth, as soon as you self-hammered, I should have messaged you and told you I was the traitor. I forgot that I could message dead people. In fact, when you failed to resurrect D2, I should have started coordinating with you. Oh well, the things one wishes he could do better.

There is definitely blame to share! I ruled out you being the traitor because I couldn't reconcile you perma-killing ADK. But also, I completely missed the QT link you sent me after I died. Just did not see it. If I had I would have talked to you at least a little and things might have gone very differently.

[jotheonah]

Joth you son a gun!

you had me 100% fooled.

Could it be MM? - sure
Could it be Joth? - ok yeah, but MM first
Could they both be town - Somehow yes

Never fucking got to "both skum" lol.

I know it was like moderately accidental, but still ya both hoodwinked the crap out of me on that one. gj.

Ha! Well jokes on me, I thought you were my partner, which is why I gave you that vig shot. So we fooled each other.

[jotheonah]

Here's what's really quite hilarious: the only kill I actually successfully pulled off this game was MiX, and I wasn't trying to kill him. I thought he was a human and I was trying to give him another vig shot.

@Arch, it's hard to judge because scum had such a rough start, but I think you're underestimating the disutility of scum that can't use its nightkill. I was really surprised that when both host scum were dead the traitor did not inherit the nightkill. Honestly, that's such a standard part of the traitor role that it almost seems bastard to include a traitor and tell us about them but not mention that detail.

All told though, that was a fun game and well played. Good job to town. ADK and mail-mi, you both played very well and I feel like I (and a little bit Glooble) let you down. If just one of my guesses/gambles had gone right (thinking Swowl was traitor, thinking LaLight was traitor, thinking MiX was human), it's a very different game. But instead I just kept being wrong.

[jotheonah]

Archetype, why DIDN'T you make LaLight a third party?

[LaLight]

Archetype, why DIDN'T you make LaLight a third party?

I have the exact same questions. Although than scum would be a bit more overpowered than they already were.

[jotheonah]

Maybe it's the mark of a good game, but I did not feel anything close to overpowered that game.

[WestCoastDidds]

Maybe it's the mark of a good game, but I did not feel anything close to overpowered that game.

❤️

Hammering yourself definitely increased my paranoia by 1000x

[jotheonah]

I wish I could say the self-hammer was strategic, but it honestly wasn't. It was like 15% strategic 85% frustration and impatience. Proper play would have been to keep maintaining my towniness, and I would never self-hammer there as town.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Maybe it's the mark of a good game, but I did not feel anything close to overpowered that game.

To me it feels like we had abilities that were potentially very powerful if used optimally, but the information gap made it difficult for us to do so

[Archetype]

Arch - did you pull this game from a set up or was this all you? It was seriously fun. I mean... I hated every second of it lol but it was a blast.

Unless someone used a similar mechanic in the time periods I've been away from the forums, I think this is a newer idea. I think it could be implemented differently in other games. I remember ADK mentioned a similiarish idea in the games hub a bit ago. I'm glad you had fun!

Arch, can you post all thr abilities I was looking for?

Yes!

Order of Abilities for Search for the Maze:
1. Good Samaritan Reflex (Teddy)
2. Convincing Enough (Bernard) (confirms Bernard as good)
3. Final Narrative (Robert)
4. Gunslinger (Hector)
5. Shooting Practice (Teddy) (confirms Teddy as bad)
6. Reveries (Maeve)
7. A Demonstration (Clementine) (confirms Clementine as bad)

[Archetype]

@Arch, it's hard to judge because scum had such a rough start, but I think you're underestimating the disutility of scum that can't use its nightkill. I was really surprised that when both host scum were dead the traitor did not inherit the nightkill. Honestly, that's such a standard part of the traitor role that it almost seems bastard to include a traitor and tell us about them but not mention that detail.

I wouldn't consider it bastard in the slightest. The traitor receiving the nk upon team elimination is only one of the many potential variations for a the role. In this game in particular, it wouldn't make sense at all since you and ADK could never truly die and it would throw off the balance of mail-mi needing to die before humans could easily be killed. Plus, it would make it very easy for the traitor to deduce who their scumpartners were.

Mafia couldn't easily kill humans, but that was tempered by town not getting too much information off of the players Mafia could kill. I think mail-mi just sending a message earlier reaching out to confirm his traitor-ness was what really hurt along with you and ADK missing a few opportunities to chat with living players and collect information.

Archetype, why DIDN'T you make LaLight a third party?

I have the exact same questions. Although than scum would be a bit more overpowered than they already were.

^this. I almost made LaLight townaligned with an additional thing he had to do regarding the maze, but felt nearly half of the players being 'not town' would be too unbalanced from a numbers perspective.

[jotheonah]

I love the idea of and the implementation of the maze. The game in general was a huge flavor win, even if it didn't quite go the way the show did. I'm sorry I never got to trigger the massacre!

Arch, really good job.

[scolapasta]

Now I just have to watch season two for when Westworld Mafia II comes out.

[hypercube]

Yay, great work town!