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[LaLight]

well, we can use the word lunch

[Jimmmmm]

Fire is excellent from a practical point of view.

[faust]

I appreciate this nuanced take on the issue.

Fire is an interesting suggestion, I think it would maybe sound a little bit like the theme has moved into the corporate world. Which should actually make for a pretty fun flavor for a game.

[shraeye]

As for a new word, the most important thing is to have something short—we use this word a lot—that can be a noun and a verb, and differentiated from the nightkill. Exile is not bad, though mis-exile is sort of an inelegant construction. The best I can come up with that's not mentioned yet is the word fire. I.e. "the town fired ashersky, ashersky was misfired, you were on the fire wagon." It even has the subtle burned-at-the-stake thing going for it, which again I think is a totally permissible part of mafia's theme.

I was thinking about the noun/verb thing too.  I still think I'm liking Exile; i don't see any more issues with the inelegance of misexile than any of the other words we sort of make up.

Although fire give us the possibility that, if you vote to get a flip even though you have hesitancy on its success AND it turns out that they flipped town, then you'd have a classic "mis-doubt-fire" scenario.

[EFHW]

I would potentially recommend conducting some kind of anonymous poll, though, to make sure there aren't a large number of people with strong feelings that aren't voicing them here, for whatever reason.

I don't think this is necessary unless we are proposing making an actual rule against use of the word lynch, which seems problematic. People who want to change the word they use will. I hope those having negative reactions will reflect on the value of having f.ds be a respectful, inclusive environment. I wish I had spoken up a long time ago and I'm sorry for the pain the word must have caused to black members and guests of f.ds.

[raerae]

As for a new word, the most important thing is to have something short—we use this word a lot—that can be a noun and a verb, and differentiated from the nightkill. Exile is not bad, though mis-exile is sort of an inelegant construction. The best I can come up with that's not mentioned yet is the word fire. I.e. "the town fired ashersky, ashersky was misfired, you were on the fire wagon." It even has the subtle burned-at-the-stake thing going for it, which again I think is a totally permissible part of mafia's theme.

I was thinking about the noun/verb thing too.  I still think I'm liking Exile; i don't see any more issues with the inelegance of misexile than any of the other words we sort of make up.

Although fire give us the possibility that, if you vote to get a flip even though you have hesitancy on its success AND it turns out that they flipped town, then you'd have a classic "mis-doubt-fire" scenario.

I don't know if this is why I married you or why I shouldn't have.

[Robz888]

Love the idea of a doubtfire becoming the term for someone who thinks the fired player will flip town, and a Mrs Doubtfire being a term for a mafia who is only pretending to think the fire player will flip town!

[jotheonah]

Just had a brainstorm: torch

- both a verb and a noun
- association with mob justice but not with specific hate crimes
- 1 syllable and ends with the same sound as lynch
- is kill flavor, which I guess is important to some people.

[pubby]

The number of people who are actively supporting this change and seeking solutions suggests that this offense is not an invention. Using historically inappropriate language is uncomfortable to me and others.

I never have had any ill intentions when using 'lynch' in this game, and I suspect no player here did either. But that doesn't mean a less-charged word is a bad goal.

Plenty of things are uncomfortable to people - bad words, differing opinions, being falsely accused in a game of mafia, etc. It's certainly a valid motivation for change, but you must admit that being uncomfortable is a rather small point to make.

While this may never become an official rule, it will nonetheless become an unwritten rule and something to judge others by. That is, this community will now associate "eliminate" as an anti-racist signal, and view people who say "lynch" in a negative, racist light. In the outside world, there are plenty of actions which are perfectly legal, but cannot be done due to unwritten societal rules. For example, one cannot get a facial tattoo, fly a communist flag, or say a transphobic slur without risking one's career and social status.

The irony here is that "lynch" is an uncomfortable word in part due to the fear of being judged as a racist. That when explaining mafia to someone else, you feel awkward not because you're harming a black person, but because you don't want the other person to think you're bigoted and backwards.

Anyway, I say all of this stubbornly. If renaming "lynch" actually does increase our inclusivity and reduce racism, I welcome the change, but I am dubious if it will accomplish that and fearful that changes such as these are harmful in the long run.

Interesting related article: http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html

[Awaclus]

Anyway, I say all of this stubbornly. If renaming "lynch" actually does increase our inclusivity and reduce racism, I welcome the change, but I am dubious if it will accomplish that and fearful that changes such as these are harmful in the long run.

It obviously doesn't reduce racism, but it could potentially increase our inclusivity towards people who are so uncomfortable with the concept of a lynch that it bothers them even in a fictional setting. On the other hand, I don't really see what the harm is, beyond normalizing whatever thing the replacement is.

[faust]

I'm sending further discussion on the merits of changing the language we use to RSP:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20411.new#new

[Robz888]

If EXILE sticks, maybe we should use CURSE instead of kill, and then you have two Dominion-centric terms? I mean, that sort of appeals to me.

[2.71828.....]

If EXILE sticks, maybe we should use CURSE instead of kill, and then you have two Dominion-centric terms? I mean, that sort of appeals to me.

Also, going with dominion thermically, if you exile someone, they still count at the end toward winning

[Jimmmmm]

I've got it: stake, as in burn at the stake. If it happens to a Townie it's a mistake.

[shraeye]

I've got it: stake, as in burn at the stake. If it happens to a Townie it's a mistake.

Also works with a vampire theme.

[Jimmmmm]

I've got it: stake, as in burn at the stake. If it happens to a Townie it's a mistake.

Also works with a vampire theme.

Also has potential for lunch-related puns.

[Jimmmmm]

I've got it: stake, as in burn at the stake. If it happens to a Townie it's a mistake.

Also works with a vampire theme.

Also has potential for lunch-related puns.

Your lynchpool would now be your stake sandwich.

[EFHW]

Oy. How about cast out / outcast?

[EFHW]

C-1 would be the proverbial (cast iron) frying pan.

[ashersky]

Just wanted to chime in that I had this thought as well, and support it.

I do not like any of the suggestions for replacements so far, though.

My only thought was that it should start with L to maintain the L-# shorthand.

Thesaurus spits out:

Liquidate, let go, and not much else...

I mean, with flavor games, just use flavor.  My Dune games could have been “sent into the desert without water” and a Walking Dead game just “given to the walkers.”

[Awaclus]

My only thought was that it should start with L to maintain the L-# shorthand.

L can be short for exi-L.

[silverspawn]

l'exil c'est Français

[shraeye]

X-1 emerged during a game; I like X-1

[WestCoastDidds]

Isn’t that in A Wrinkle in Time or something like that...people get X-Ed?

Totally works

[scolapasta]

I think regardless of word choice (which could vary based on theme), X-1 could become standard.