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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #800 on: July 16, 2020, 01:33:23 pm »

Did some rereading, and I'm comfortable voting for swowl. Will probably do so later this evening, we're still a day out form deadline so there's still time for more discussion

What did I miss?

I've been following along, trying not to be too vocal about my reads. I'm scum reading swowl though

Now that you have stated your intention to vote for him, you have been vocal. Is it more vocal to say why so other people can think about your reasons? I don't want to townread him if there is something scummy I missed. Right now I'm using my townread for POE.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #801 on: July 16, 2020, 01:49:11 pm »

Swowl,  what's your reason for voting for MiX?

1. We agreed Day 1 a lot, and I am town... sounds like a joke, but it is only kind of a joke.

2. Assuming that all of the skum were not on wagon, it is at a minimum either Shraeye or MiX, both of which I am fine with, but for other reasons I prefer mix at this point.

3. If they flip red skum, whatever still skum, and it is possible... but if they flip white, I am like idk... 83.5% sure I know who their mate is.


I do have one reservation about MiX, but it is not enough to have my mind changed at this point. Unless everyone wanted shraeye all of a sudden. That would be the only alt I think for me today.

This is unpersuasive. Vote Shraeye instead.

Shraeye wouldn’t make an unannounced X-1 vote as scum. Absolutely no way he intentionally does it, and even less chance he does it accidentally.

So you are saying you are both town. He wouldn't do announced X-1 and I should believe that your intervention here is to help me scumhunt better. So then I have to believe Swowl is scum, which I don't.  But it sounds like we both think joth is scum. Let's vote there.

I've clearly stated that I believe he's town, yes. I know that I am - that's not a belief. My "intervention" as you put it isn't to make you "scumhunt better", it's to make an additional point as to why I'm confident in my read on him. I have no idea if you're town or not. My gut has said that Yuma wouldn't do what he did as scum - but I generally find Joth more townie than Yuma/You. PoE means that if I'm town and Shraeye is town, then there can only be exactly one town amongst {EFHW, Joth, MiX, Swowl}. Between my instinct on Yuma and how I generally read Joth, I believe that it's one town amongst {EFHW, Joth}, and that {MiX, Swowl} are both scum.

If you're scum, you're going to believe whatever you want. My point regarding Shraeye is that amongst other reasons, the dude is clearly town.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #802 on: July 16, 2020, 01:56:15 pm »

Swowl,  what's your reason for voting for MiX?

1. We agreed Day 1 a lot, and I am town... sounds like a joke, but it is only kind of a joke.

2. Assuming that all of the skum were not on wagon, it is at a minimum either Shraeye or MiX, both of which I am fine with, but for other reasons I prefer mix at this point.

3. If they flip red skum, whatever still skum, and it is possible... but if they flip white, I am like idk... 83.5% sure I know who their mate is.


I do have one reservation about MiX, but it is not enough to have my mind changed at this point. Unless everyone wanted shraeye all of a sudden. That would be the only alt I think for me today.

This is unpersuasive. Vote Shraeye instead.

it wasn't meant to be persuasive. you asked, i told. I stated previously that I would go for shraeye if needed as the only alternative to MiX - and I will if need be... but for now I will be sticking with MiX.

Why are you so hard set on Shraeye?
Sorry. I said vote Shraeye bc you said he was a close second for you and I think he is scum.

You didn't answer his question. You're on Shraeye. Your quote to him was "This is unpersuasive. Vote Shraeye instead.". What's your case? You've got to have something better than PoE to call Swowl's case on MiX "unpersuasive", right?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #803 on: July 16, 2020, 01:57:42 pm »

MiX, scum-to-chum list, go!:
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #804 on: July 16, 2020, 02:02:34 pm »

I'm settling on Swowl and MiX as my townreads. But I don't have theories yet as to which of the others are red or white. I had thought of joth as white, but others seem to think he is red. I think I'll stick with my Shraeye vote and will continue ISO's tomorrow.

Why is swowl a town read for you?
I isoed him and his posts feel free of any agenda. He writes long posts that feel very much like town!him.

He writes long posts regardless of alignment. And what you're calling "free of any agenda" can better be described as IIoA - something he's especially good at as scum to produce "content" (although he DOES still do a fair amount of this as town, so it's not a lock as a scum tell either).
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #805 on: July 16, 2020, 02:07:33 pm »

I know Joth is semi-V/LA - but would be nice to get some content with deadline in about a day.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #806 on: July 16, 2020, 03:04:01 pm »

MiX, scum-to-chum list, go!:

Shraeye
Swowl
Galzria
EFHW
Joth

But that's useless. I think shraeye's red scum so he might as well be town today
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #807 on: July 16, 2020, 03:06:05 pm »

MiX, scum-to-chum list, go!:

Shraeye
Swowl
Galzria
EFHW
Joth

But that's useless. I think shraeye's red scum so he might as well be town today

What votes/posts/interactions do you think point to Shraeye being Mcmc's partner?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #808 on: July 16, 2020, 03:07:41 pm »

MiX, scum-to-chum list, go!:

Shraeye
Swowl
Galzria
EFHW
Joth

But that's useless. I think shraeye's red scum so he might as well be town today

What votes/posts/interactions do you think point to Shraeye being Mcmc's partner?

I haven't reread yet, I'm on vacation.

He seems to be trying really really hard, which red scum really needs to do to win.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #809 on: July 16, 2020, 03:13:14 pm »

MiX, scum-to-chum list, go!:

Shraeye
Swowl
Galzria
EFHW
Joth

But that's useless. I think shraeye's red scum so he might as well be town today

So to you, the current wagons are:

Red (1): Green
White (3): Green, Green, Red
Green (2): White, White

Not Voting (1): Green
 
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Vote count 3.2*

shraeye (1): EFHW
Swowl (3): jotheonah, MiX, shraeye
MiX (2): Swowl, Galzria

Not Voting (1): A Drowned Kernel

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 3 ends Friday, 17th of July, at 6:30 FT.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #810 on: July 16, 2020, 04:00:42 pm »

Yes? Yes, that's actually perfect. A variation of that is what I'd expect.

These questions are confusing.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #811 on: July 16, 2020, 04:02:19 pm »

Yes? Yes, that's actually perfect. A variation of that is what I'd expect.

These questions are confusing.

I feel like you're the only player that hasn't expressed clear reads, so I'm just trying to fill in the gaps in my notes.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #812 on: July 16, 2020, 04:04:09 pm »

Did some rereading, and I'm comfortable voting for swowl. Will probably do so later this evening, we're still a day out form deadline so there's still time for more discussion

What did I miss?

I've been following along, trying not to be too vocal about my reads. I'm scum reading swowl though

Now that you have stated your intention to vote for him, you have been vocal. Is it more vocal to say why so other people can think about your reasons? I don't want to townread him if there is something scummy I missed. Right now I'm using my townread for POE.

Part of it is PoE. I'm townreading people who aren't swowl, so swowl is a good exile
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #813 on: July 16, 2020, 04:05:47 pm »

I stated my case on Shraeye awhile back, which is that he distorted yuma's play in making a case on me.  His aggressive tone also reminds me of scum!Shraeye.
 
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #814 on: July 16, 2020, 04:27:26 pm »

What's IIoA? Has anyone stated anything scummy about Swowl?

My townread on MiX was teetering,  but now it turns out he is on vacation, which could explain his not scumhunting as actively as usual.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #815 on: July 16, 2020, 04:29:09 pm »

What's IIoA? Has anyone stated anything scummy about Swowl?

My townread on MiX was teetering,  but now it turns out he is on vacation, which could explain his not scumhunting as actively as usual.

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #816 on: July 16, 2020, 04:43:00 pm »



He seems to be trying really really hard, which red scum really needs to do to win.
I thoguth you said you did an analysis of which scumteam to hunt for...did that analysis really lead you to believe that town shouldn't be trying hard?
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #817 on: July 16, 2020, 04:44:58 pm »

Did some rereading, and I'm comfortable voting for swowl. Will probably do so later this evening, we're still a day out form deadline so there's still time for more discussion

What did I miss?

I've been following along, trying not to be too vocal about my reads. I'm scum reading swowl though

Now that you have stated your intention to vote for him, you have been vocal. Is it more vocal to say why so other people can think about your reasons? I don't want to townread him if there is something scummy I missed. Right now I'm using my townread for POE.

Part of it is PoE. I'm townreading people who aren't swowl, so swowl is a good exile

I don't know how to defend myself on this one ya'll. Content has been hard this game because I normally use VCA quite a bit and I just am having trouble generating information from it in this set up. I am in the unique situation where I know I am town, so the PoE for me based on groupings of where skum has to be, is pretty neat.

@ ADK - So, that being said... Let me run through the iso's please and post my thoughts because I am pretty sure even with a mis lynch on me town has some scenarios where we can win. It will take me a until tomorrow some time to get them all out.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #818 on: July 16, 2020, 06:43:40 pm »

I know Joth is semi-V/LA - but would be nice to get some content with deadline in about a day.

I’m on vacay, I’m reading along, and I’m happy with where my vote is parked.

Best guess right now is EFHW and Swowl are white team and shraeye is mcmc’s partner, but it could be you or even MiX. That feels like a tomorrow problem.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #819 on: July 16, 2020, 09:10:36 pm »

I'm impressed. Our 3 scum are doing good town impersonations.  I am now officially in a muddle.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #820 on: July 17, 2020, 11:59:38 am »

6 hours to deadline?
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #821 on: July 17, 2020, 12:07:41 pm »

6 hours to deadline?

Huh. Seems like it.

Is ADK around?
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #822 on: July 17, 2020, 12:45:13 pm »

6 hours to deadline?

Huh. Seems like it.

Is ADK around?

Yeah, I'm still curious if swowl is going to post his thing
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #823 on: July 17, 2020, 01:11:00 pm »

I leave to go camping in an hour and a half (2:30 pm Forum Time).
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #824 on: July 17, 2020, 01:38:20 pm »

6 hours to deadline?

Huh. Seems like it.

Is ADK around?

Yeah, I'm still curious if swowl is going to post his thing

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3-Party: 4 wins, 1 loss
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