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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #450 on: July 01, 2020, 03:01:54 pm »

And Robz just voted for him.

intent to hammer, and all that.

Not to be a killjoy, but he's at 5, so that's not E-1 (X-1?)
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #451 on: July 01, 2020, 03:02:16 pm »

We should probably decide right now how to respond to a doctor claim at L1. Scum will inevitably try it in order to out the real doctor. As a town, we have to decide if we want to allow that to happen or not.

To all of you who say 'the doctor will do what the doctor will do', that's exactly the problem. If we leave it up to them then we'll never know whether lack of counterclaim means the doctor is on the chopping block or lack of a counterclaim  means the doctor is keeping quiet.

If we decide, as policy, we're going to ignore L-1 doctor claims then we're trading a small risk of exiling our doctor for extended doctor anonymity.
If we decide, as policy, we're going to believe L-1 doctor claims in the absence of a counterclaim, we're doing the opposite.
I can kind of see the argument either way, but I do think it benefits  us to put forth, agree to, and honor a policy.

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #452 on: July 01, 2020, 03:04:00 pm »

Just have to say, that was a fun read catching up. You all are so funny

Anything more specific to say?
vote: e
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #453 on: July 01, 2020, 03:05:06 pm »

And you are right about new fds meta. It is quite different.

Better, or just different?
Probably better.
I agree.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #454 on: July 01, 2020, 03:09:38 pm »

No, useless vote is useless (It's a good vote; I wanted e before, got distracted by Galz; but want e most)

vote: ADK
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #455 on: July 01, 2020, 03:09:49 pm »

And Robz just voted for him.

intent to hammer, and all that.

Not to be a killjoy, but he's at 5, so that's not E-1 (X-1?)

Ah, shoot.

vote: scola X-1.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #456 on: July 01, 2020, 03:16:11 pm »

scola reread:

Nothing has stood out to me so far (currently on reply 270) other than that scola does feel slightly different than he has before. He's never been scum, so that does give him scumpoints.

Someone else pointed out his casual backing off. I notice here (in reply 271) that he agrees with his detractors. When I was newer scum, I found myself agreeing with people arguing against me, and then saying "but I'm not scum." So also some scumpoints there. Here's the quote, for reference:

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That said, if you and Didds both seem to think I'm playing differently? Then maybe you're right, and I am (though not as scumapasta). which would lessen my reactions to Didds. I'm willing to consider that for sure.

Here's another post with the same vibe (#317):

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Yuma, I can actually see the case, however mistaken, against me.

Why are you so sure I'm town?

which, why would you ask that last question? I don't get town or scum vibes off of it, just weird vibes. I feel like as town or scum you don't look a gift townread in the mouth. Maybe that's just me.



So overall scola comes off scummy to me. I'll need to reread others before I put a vote down, but I am happy with scola lynch if it happens.


slightly differently, because I'm being targeted as scum. Except for my first game with y'all that hasn't happened before. So yeah, you're seeing different behavior. Which I agree, you might also see if I were scum, OR if I were scum I would actually try to play exactly like I have other games, because I would not want to be suspected.

So the different behavior can be evidence for either, no?

My vote on Robz over the others. One part I neglected to explain is that part of it over others is that I don't know If I think scum would propose a (what I think is a) bad idea first, but once proposed by someone else, would try to go with it. Yes Robz was not the only one, but I can only pick one person to vote, so it's the one I chose. Once I had what I though was a (slightly) better reason for someone else, I switched.

Anyway, I do think I'm likely to be exiled (which btw X-2 and X-1 is perfect for it), because I know that anything I do to defend myself with be seen as scummy - because it's D1 and there are imho not very good reasons to suspect anyone over anyone else.

But I will throw this out, now at X-2, to make y'alls lives easier. I am not a doctor, just a VT. So if you do exile me, you save yourself the need for the doctor to counter claim AND you only get rid of a VT, which is better than a PR.

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #457 on: July 01, 2020, 03:17:15 pm »

ppe 1 on that last one, I guess I'm X-1 now. Still not a doctor.

self preservation vote (as promised):

vote: ADK
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #458 on: July 01, 2020, 03:18:00 pm »

Vote: Scola

where did this come from all of a sudden?
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #459 on: July 01, 2020, 04:16:21 pm »

I won't agree to any policy.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #460 on: July 01, 2020, 04:18:07 pm »

Also worth noting that soc and ADK aren't voting for each other.

Why is that worth noting?
That you two would/could vote for each other for self preservation  as others already said
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #461 on: July 01, 2020, 04:24:17 pm »

So ADK can hammer, right?
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #462 on: July 01, 2020, 04:36:30 pm »

I was gonna say he claims doc here every time as skum, but I guess that is not true.
I still think Pasta is town. They are being accused of hedgy behavior and backing off cases when challenged? that is the only pasta I know, meta wise.

As I don't think there is a rush on DL and we have a prod out... we should at the minimum wait for Galz to get some opinions out publicaly before anyone hammers. Regardless of anyone's alignment, having all the players in the game say their 2 cents on a day 1 decision is unarguably a pro town play.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #463 on: July 01, 2020, 05:12:20 pm »

So ADK can hammer, right?

I might. Let me get home and reread scola, I wasn't opposed to his exile earlier
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #464 on: July 01, 2020, 05:18:23 pm »

Vote Count 1.6

scolapasta (6): WestCoastDidds, mcmcsalot, jotheonah, 2.71828....., Robz888, mail-mi
A Drowned Kernel (5): Swowl, MiX, yuma, shraeye, scolapasta
shraeye (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (1): Galzria

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #465 on: July 01, 2020, 05:30:10 pm »

ALL THE PEOPLE ON SCOLA ARE SCUMMY

I shouted to no one in particular. But really. Look at my votes and they are them, plus ADK...
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #466 on: July 01, 2020, 05:37:47 pm »

ALL THE PEOPLE ON SCOLA ARE SCUMMY

I shouted to no one in particular. But really. Look at my votes and they are them, plus ADK...

"I AM SCOLA'S PARTNER AND I MUST SCREAM"

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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #467 on: July 01, 2020, 05:39:02 pm »

Town partner I am guessing at this point.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #468 on: July 01, 2020, 05:39:54 pm »

Town partner I am guessing at this point.

I don't know, but I think so, yes.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #469 on: July 01, 2020, 05:48:58 pm »

Sorry! Sorry!

We got back Sunday and Monday I just... like... didn't move for 24 hours. I needed the day to recover. Tuesday, I honestly meant to get involved and then just... didn't. Completely my bad.

I'm finishing catching up right now.

I genuinely read ADK as the scummier of the two wagons, but I have far more town reads on Scola (mcmc, Joth, Robz, e!)...
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #470 on: July 01, 2020, 06:00:19 pm »

I'd suggest someone unvote me and vote ADK to X-1. See if they want to scum claim doctor. If they do, we've caught scum. And if they don't you can always come back to me.

And if someone hammers ADK first and they're town, well then you get two good possibles exiles for tomorrow, me and the hammer.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #471 on: July 01, 2020, 06:01:17 pm »

I'd suggest someone unvote me and vote ADK to X-1. See if they want to scum claim doctor. If they do, we've caught scum. And if they don't you can always come back to me.

And if someone hammers ADK first and they're town, well then you get two good possibles exiles for tomorrow, me and the hammer.

vote: scola

Thanks for making this easy
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #472 on: July 01, 2020, 06:01:50 pm »

You're not a good possible exile if you're town.

Willing to hammer, but not intent to hammer, Galzria needs to say more.

I'd suggest someone unvote me and vote ADK to X-1. See if they want to scum claim doctor. If they do, we've caught scum. And if they don't you can always come back to me.

And if someone hammers ADK first and they're town, well then you get two good possibles exiles for tomorrow, me and the hammer.

vote: scola

Thanks for making this easy

Yeah I don't scumread this in the slighest. Although you should wait for Galzria...
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #473 on: July 01, 2020, 06:04:53 pm »

Welp.
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Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #474 on: July 01, 2020, 06:05:56 pm »

Well, as I said, am town, VT.

Why doesn't ADK at least wait for galz to finish catching up? even if they get to X-1, no one was going to hammer that immediately, could have vote for me, having us both at X-1 and seen.

I disagree with MiX, I do think this is scummy, trying to hide as self preservation.
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