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[Swowl]

My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.

Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.

Or, you are just scum hedging.

Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.

If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.

If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.

If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.

But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi

So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?

[Swowl]

My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.

Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.

Or, you are just scum hedging.

Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.

If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.

If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.

If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.

But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi

So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?

that reads horribly. "when" in this context was responding to the scenario presented.

[Swowl]

ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.

[Swowl]

At the very least 2.7 is urging others to do townie things. And others are doing those things. So there is that.

OFC they are! That means nothing! Town or skum on the block that is what you do in their spot

[faust]

Vote Count 3.4

2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.

[2.71828.....]

My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.

Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.

Or, you are just scum hedging.

Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.

If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.

If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.

If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.

But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi

So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?

No, by all means, Lynch me. We just lose.

I drove a mislynch on Dylan. This would be me driving another alleged mislynch. I recognize (after the fact) mistakes I would have made.

But it would be fun if I were actually right

[2.71828.....]

ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.

"Case" being that you just want the information of my flip.

If mail-mi were to get lynched and flip red and I survive the night, would that change your perspective or would you still want to lynch me?

[Swowl]

My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.

Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.

Or, you are just scum hedging.

Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.

If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.

If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.

If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.

But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi

So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?

No, by all means, Lynch me. We just lose.

I drove a mislynch on Dylan. This would be me driving another alleged mislynch. I recognize (after the fact) mistakes I would have made.

But it would be fun if I were actually right

I do not hold your mislynches against you fwiw - I pushed for no!Joseph on Day 1 and then got right on Dylan Day 2, so I can't hold that against you.

OK so in the world where you are town, pretend for a moment that MM is town. So you are both town. So no teams allowed that include yourself of MM. Where is skum at?

[Swowl]

ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.

"Case" being that you just want the information of my flip.

If mail-mi were to get lynched and flip red and I survive the night, would that change your perspective or would you still want to lynch me?

As stated previously, you would still be suspect. However, I admit it would move you down the list. I would have to think about where on the list it put you. But honestly, that is not here, it is there. And here, I think you are more likely to flip red than MM is.

[Swowl]

I am off. I will be around all the way up to DL starting tomorrow (like 2PM forum time).

[2.71828.....]

OK so in the world where you are town, pretend for a moment that MM is town. So you are both town. So no teams allowed that include yourself of MM. Where is skum at?

This means there are two scum in:
Swowl
ADK
WCD
Yuma
LaLight
Calamitas

I take ADK off the table right away. Unchallenged UB claim is IC. Even if converted to a restless spirit the UB is not notified of that, so they still think they are the UB until proven otherwise.

Which leaves us with two scum in:
Swowl
Yuma
Calamitas
WCD
LaLight

- Calamitas has had their name thrown around as scum a lot, but nothing has really stuck. Scum partner protecting? Or just when people look at their whole game they read town? I fall in the second category. There were a few knee-jerk things that made me think scum, but their whole game has been town. In a large amount of posts, something will hit you the wrong way. Bound to happen. But looking past that, I think there game points to very strong town, especially the integral part in lynching Joseph.

- WCD has not had her best game, but I don't think that implies scum. Her most recent post that attracted criticism I think kind of sums up her game: she is either "lazy" (for lack of a better word) town, or lurking scum. She has had a few posts with an AtE element (see D1 reaction), and really the decision is if it was faked or real. Could go either way, coin flip. 1 is scum, 2 is town.

Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2

Yuma - bursts of energy in posting, then silence. Different question than WCD here - are those bursts town trying to catch up, or scum trying to appear "helpful." Again, flip a coin

Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2

LaLight is the only one that I went through earlier and landed on as scum. You can see the case above. If I take out mail-mi, I think PoE even more than before lands me on scum!LaLight

Swowl - when I did my reread earlier I landed town here. I will keep it there. Reference reply #710

So if mail-mi isn't scum, I think it is likely LaLight, {Yuma, WCD} as scum.

The choice between Yuma and WCD should be put off until more flips + claims happen.

[2.71828.....]

And it looks like Yuma and WCD both rolled town, so mail-mi it is.

[LaLight]

My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.

Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.

Or, you are just scum hedging.

Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.

If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.

If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.

If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.

But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi

there is somthing you didn't think about, though

[LaLight]

we can get results

[LaLight]

that's why I would gladly lynch mail-mi and then wait. also, if nothing happens, I would like to lynch Calamitas next

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 3.4

2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.

This deadline is in the middle of the night for most people I believe.

Yuma, where do you think you will land?
Mail-mi, Didds, Swowl - any movement anticipated?

[A Drowned Kernel]

ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.

Just gut read at this point. Although e may have just townslipped

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote Count 3.4

2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (1): yuma

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.

This deadline is in the middle of the night for most people I believe.

Yuma, where do you think you will land?
Mail-mi, Didds, Swowl - any movement anticipated?

100% willing to move, especially if it’s to follow ADK.

I’m about to teach for 4 hours and then I can focus a bit more on where we are at.

xoxo

[yuma]

I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.

[yuma]

Ash would be so disappointed I waited as long as I did.

[Calamitas]

Like, if mail-mi is actually town I see no reason why he didn't just hammer.

Why didn't you change then and their? That was bad play.

[faust]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (5): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, yuma

Not Voting (0)

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts at least until June 09, 2020, 10:00:00 pm.

[mail-mi]

I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.

I'm vanilla town, y'all.

[mail-mi]

No way that I as scum do like any of the things I did this game.

Sigh

Good luck, lynch the scum.

[Calamitas]

Just saying, if mail-mi flips red: don't let e off the hook if I am targeted tonight.
I think it's very much plausible that both of them are scum together.

e is one of the key reasons why I didn't get through at D2 with mail-mi over Dylan and scum putting each other into 1vs.1 is very much not unheard of in such a situation.

My argument for LaLight's townyness I made somewhere in here still stands though it is based on meta and quite unfounded.
As I said, he said in personal communication in a general way that right now he struggles to play town and is super confident as scum and stuff.
This game seems to resemble the former style, though that includes a lot of WIFOM.
Aside from that, I don't think the cases on him are as strong as they are made to be, they are rather a "we maybe should not townread him for being off wagon" but not a reason to make him actually more likely to be scum compared to others (unless I have missed something).

Regarding swowl I had a weird hunch regarding their interaction with mail-mi during play, check for that – maybe you'll see it also, maybe it was weird by me.

Also note that e pushed mail-mi at the middle of D2 less than I thought and he claimed. The only thing that stands out is the probing of mail-mi, besides that he was quiet. This weakens my previous argument why scum!e & town!mail-mi is unlikely.

(Btw, I am fully aware that the last paragraph will be perceived as hedgy tomorrow in the weird world where mail-mi is town.
I am still making the point because I think it is important for it to be made. But in that weird world, if you want to scumread me for it you need to find a deeper and more interesting motive than just me being hedgy out of fear to look like I have pushed mail-mi to hard)