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[mail-mi]

My guess is it's too late to get mail-mi going, but:

We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.

followed less than 20 minutes later by this:

This is a terrible idea.  I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.

It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess. 

I am heading to bed.  You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago.  The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.

WCD is town. vote: scola

I already thought the customer service gimmick was a sign, so

vote: mail-mi

(and I would be doing this if he had switched to someone other than me, that is not the reason)

I'm up for a little while, so will check in before going to bed.

I read WCD's post and the emotions feel genuine. The customer service gimmick was a way to have fun on D1 which is my least favorite day, and at least one other person enjoyed it, so I'm happy I did it. No regrets, even if it gets me lynched (which, of all the bad reasons I've been mislynched, would be among the worst)

[scolapasta]

For the record, I also appreciated it and thought it was clever.

mail-mi's not happening, so I'll change my vote. I'll read back and try to decide. Also tired, though. Not sure what's best, throw a vote to one of the wagons, or just leave not voted.

unvote

[scolapasta]

OK, reread last several days and, I'm ok with:

vote: joseph

Funny I started the day there and now I'm back here again.

Night, y'all.

[Dylan32]

I read everything that happened to this point, and there's been nothing to move me towards liking the Joseph lynch. Scola is still viable and I like that more than the alternatives, so I'm just going to trust the Europeans to get it done. Good night all!

ppe 1

[Dylan32]

That's L-2 on Joseph.

[Swowl]

ok day took up more of my time than I thought it would.

1) WCD wagon is the most confusing thing I have read so far. No clue what is going on there.

2) Joseph still isn't skummy imo. Also, the amount of people that have said "vote Joseph - peace out for the night not coming back before DL" is slightly nerve racking.

3) As it is midnight and I am not tired and have nothing to do I guess I am gonna be around close to DL. Which is 3am. meh. Gonna read some uno momento.

[Swowl]

Vote:scolapasta

not my favorite thing ever.

who is around?

[Swowl]

corrected:

Vote: scolapasta

[scolapasta]

ok day took up more of my time than I thought it would.

1) WCD wagon is the most confusing thing I have read so far. No clue what is going on there.

2) Joseph still isn't skummy imo. Also, the amount of people that have said "vote Joseph - peace out for the night not coming back before DL" is slightly nerve racking.

3) As it is midnight and I am not tired and have nothing to do I guess I am gonna be around close to DL. Which is 3am. meh. Gonna read some uno momento.

@swowl is it better to not for and go to bed or to give my best vote forward? (Honest question)

Because there's no way I'm staying up till 6.

(I'm willing to give it another 10 in case you answer)

[Swowl]

dude idk what to tell you in this spot. I am unwilling to lynch 2/3 of the candidates on the table. I am willing to lynch pretty much anyone in the pools I said previously, no one wants that. Everyone sat around and did nothing until T-3 hours or whatever. so I am not getting any of the lynches I think are super likely to be skum. So I get to choose between no lynch (which honestly I fucking considered given how slow this is so far), two players I think are not skum (wcd/Joseph), and someone I am on the fence about (you).

So it is pretty much no lynch, miracle wagon on someone I think is skum, or you.

You put your best vote forward, I am just doing the same.

[Swowl]

also, to clarify, "vote and bail" does not apply to you in my mind. Your vote is NAI the way I look at it. Either town, skum, self prez, or some/all of the above.

[yuma]

Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302

[Swowl]

The person I'm feeling most confused on is Swowl, because I feel like he switches back and forth a number of times on what to think about Joseph, and I don't quite see a reason behind that.

ADK voted Joseph at #117, over the "unvote" stuff around putting Scola at L-1.
Swowl voted ADK as a first real post of the game at #133, but then immediately at #134 asked Mail-mi why he wasn't offering a "vote Joseph" option. His possible distain for Joseph's play is then backed up in #135 where he points out that observing who's looking at the thread is not that useful.
Finally queries LL on being "ok" with either of Joseph or Scola in #136. So the mood in #133 and #136 seemed against people wanting to lynch Joseph, while in #134 and #136 it seemed to be actively open to a Joseph lynch, or at the very least, pointing out that Joseph wasn't being helpfully pro-town.

I guess from #165 & #169 onwards he's settled on wanting to lynch people who though Joseph was scummy, with ADK apparently being top of the list still. I don't see any real justification for how he doesn't seem to think Joseph or Scola deserve votes, and indeed he goes out of his way to ask Scola some questions at 200 that he never goes back and re-engages with. I see that at #212 he says he just doesn't think people who pick up early wagons are ever scum, but that's a very convenient way to avoid having to say anything about any actual play made by either Joseph or Scola.

And then at #236, Scola appears at a second tier of what I assume is a scum-to-chum list, which is unexpected given that he was asking for alternatives to both Joseph and Scola earlier. And what's more, he was asking Mail-mi for alternatives, and apparently Mail-mi is right up there at tier one, too. So yeah, that just doesn't feel super-consistent to me.

PPE 2

I am confused by this post - it is written in like a chronologically correct way - and opinions are opinions, so that is whatever... but like when I read this in bullet points, all the facts are pretty much correct.... but I don't understand where you are getting your assumptions of "off-ness" from.

Not gonna go into crazy detail here, just wanna pick at a few things in case it is genuine confusion:

1) I do not understand the inference of be asking the players questions and the whole "changing of mood" thing. I picked the questions based on the player that I was asking and their currently stated opinions on the issue (so yes, they would be different).

2) I have explained in great detail why I do not think Joseph is skummy for what people are saying they are skummy for. I have also not stated that scola should not get votes - That is incorrect.

3) You also very much overly generalized my logic behind early wagons and people being skum.

I do not understand the last part.

[Swowl]

Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302

coolio so you are around then. thats one. is there anyone you will lynch other than didds?

[scolapasta]

also, to clarify, "vote and bail" does not apply to you in my mind. Your vote is NAI the way I look at it. Either town, skum, self prez, or some/all of the above.

Fair enough. Good night for real now.

Here's hoping I can say good morning "tomorrow".

[yuma]

vote: joseph just so we actually get a lynch.

[2.71828.....]

I am also around, and we do need a Lynch

We also don't need last second claims.

[2.71828.....]

Meh

Vote: Joseph

[Swowl]

well I was typing up a whole thing - but I guess that does it. fingers crossed I suppose. Not super fond of our chances on this one.

[Joseph2302]

Great job guys, didn't even give me time to claim...

[Joseph2302]

I'm the UB so screw that

[Joseph2302]

It really is just 2016 all over again. People being idiots and just mislynching me D1 based on fuck all information

[Swowl]

who is skummy?

[Joseph2302]

who is skummy?

Interesting e came back from the non existence to hammer this shit. Scummy

I don't think any of the lynch options (me, scola, Didds) were that good, though that's what happens when nobody posts much all day. You just make up random wagons

[faust]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.