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Create an infinite loop with a specific card
« on: April 24, 2020, 02:07:04 pm »
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http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20306.0


On the topic above, we discuss which cards are infinite-loop enablers and why.

From the discussion, I came up with this list of the cards that without one of them you can’t create an infinite loop:

1.   Acting Troupe
2.   Band of Misfits
3.   Bonfire
4.   Captain
5.   Citadel
6.   Counterfeit
7.   Crown
8.   Death Cart
9.   Delve
10.   Disciple
11.   Engineer
12.   Experiment
13.   Forum
14.   Gamble
15.   Horn of Plenty
16.   Horse
17.   Inheritance
18.   King’s Court
19.   Madman
20.   Magic Lamp
21.   Mandarin
22.   Mining Village
23.   Mint
24.   Overlord
25.   Pillage
26.   Pixie
27.   Procession
28.   Pursue
29.   Raze
30.   Scepter
31.   Scouting Party
32.   Small Castle
33.   Spoils
34.   Stockpile
35.   Throne Room
36.   Toil
37.   Travelling Fair
38.   Urchin
39.   Way of the Butterfly
40.   Way of the Horse
41.   Way of the Mouse
42.   Wish

On the other hand, if a card in this list is a real infinite-loop enabler, it, by definition, doesn’t need another of these enablers to build an infinite loop.

So, the challenges are:

- Create an infinite loop without the cards from this list (which I think it’s impossible)

- For any card in this list, create an infinite loop that uses this card but no other card from this list (or indicate an already known such loop).

The loops must be productive, giving you some amount of something at each iteration.
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Re: Create an infinite loop with a specific card
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2020, 03:44:13 pm »
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In the discussion in the topic above, the list was reduced to these 11 cards:

Mandarin
Madman
Spoils
Wish
Experiment
Horse
Way of the Butterfly
Way of the Horse
Fortress
Bonfire
Forum

The challenges remain the same:

- Create an infinite loop without the cards from this list

- For any card in this list, create an infinite loop that uses this card but no other card from this list (or indicate an already known such loop).

The loops must be productive, giving you some amount of something at each iteration.
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Re: Create an infinite loop with a specific card
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2020, 12:54:00 pm »
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I think this was pointed out in the other thread, but the following is an infinite loop:

cards used: Trader, Toil, Mint, Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Capitalism

In your buy phase, play Crown-Counterfeit-Treasurer-Treasurer, to gain Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Treasurer to your hand.
Buy Mint, trash Crown, Counterfeit. Reveal Trader to gain Silver (or nothing if pile is empty) instead.
Buy Toil. Repeat.

Counterfeit is only in there to provide +buy and could be replaced by Travelling Fair.
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Re: Create an infinite loop with a specific card
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2020, 05:21:03 pm »
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I think this was pointed out in the other thread, but the following is an infinite loop:

cards used: Trader, Toil, Mint, Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Capitalism

In your buy phase, play Crown-Counterfeit-Treasurer-Treasurer, to gain Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Treasurer to your hand.
Buy Mint, trash Crown, Counterfeit. Reveal Trader to gain Silver (or nothing if pile is empty) instead.
Buy Toil. Repeat.

Counterfeit is only in there to provide +buy and could be replaced by Travelling Fair.

Very nice.  I also tried to use Mint and Treasurer, but didn't notice how to play from hand.  With Travelling Fair, you can also use Gamble instead of Toil.
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Re: Create an infinite loop with a specific card
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2020, 09:44:30 pm »
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I think this was pointed out in the other thread, but the following is an infinite loop:

cards used: Trader, Toil, Mint, Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Capitalism

In your buy phase, play Crown-Counterfeit-Treasurer-Treasurer, to gain Crown, Counterfeit, Treasurer, Treasurer to your hand.
Buy Mint, trash Crown, Counterfeit. Reveal Trader to gain Silver (or nothing if pile is empty) instead.
Buy Toil. Repeat.

Counterfeit is only in there to provide +buy and could be replaced by Travelling Fair.

Thank you! After I posted the reduced list, I noticed that some cards are real infinite-loop enablers and shouldn't be removed from the list. In the case of this loop it's Toil. I will review the list, due to new acknowledges (at least, new to me).
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